NBA officials have got to be stopped

[shadow_operative 15932]

jokic with a technical foul for flopping followed by a foul for who the fuck knows what, all in a matter of ~5 game seconds.

the technical for flopping:

 

 

the foul they called immediately after as punishment to jokic and malone for not being happy with the first call:

 

 

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

easier to view:

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

nba officials: i’m gonna suck at my job and then penalize you for getting mad at me:

 

and since i’ve got you here:

 

 

 

[Chewbacca 7767]

Yeah, that tech was absurd. Didn't matter in the grand scheme, but ridiculous nonetheless.

[shadow_operative 15932]

5 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Yeah, that tech was absurd. Didn't matter in the grand scheme, but ridiculous nonetheless.

in the conversation for worst tech i’ve ever seen. jokic gets shoved and he gets a tech. um..what?!? lol.

[shadow_operative 15932]

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Jaden Mcdaniels was called for the foul despite Shai grabbing his cock

[shadow_operative 15932]

 

[Rockethorn1978 6072]

I can’t even watch the nba anymore, they don’t play defense and the refs are horrific. It’s a terrible product. Being a teenager in the 90’s was the basketball way better back then or were we just naive? I felt back then like anyone could win and I watched every game with hope but now I already know who’s gonna win or at least the top 4 teams. Getting old sucks.

[Pam Cummings 9639]

Having multiple 60+ and 70+ games in the span of like a week was pathetic. That's not good for the NBA imo. They have conditioned the players to think that every slight bit of contact should be a foul.

[Deej 76755]

NBA basketball is hot garbage. 

[Js1 85289]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

NBA basketball is hot garbage. 

Basketball officiating is hot garbage.  

Phantom fouls, super star fouls, ridiculous upgrades to flagrant, stupid technical fouls, anticipation fouls. 

Both college and NBA become ref shows, easily. 

[Chewbacca 7767]

Jaden Mcdaniels was called for the foul despite Shai grabbing his cock

You can't touch Shai.

[shadow_operative 15932]

5 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Having multiple 60+ and 70+ games in the span of like a week was pathetic. That's not good for the NBA imo. They have conditioned the players to think that every slight bit of contact should be a foul.

there have been four 70+ point games in the last 309 days. prior to that there had been four such games in the previous 58 years.

[Brian Fantana 6681]

6 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

I can’t even watch the nba anymore, they don’t play defense and the refs are horrific. It’s a terrible product. Being a teenager in the 90’s was the basketball way better back then or were we just naive? I felt back then like anyone could win and I watched every game with hope but now I already know who’s gonna win or at least the top 4 teams. Getting old sucks.

Hell it was way better less than a decade ago. Game 7 of the Cavs historic comeback against the Warriors was a defensive clinic on both sides.

[Dutchrudder 11135]

6 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

there have been four 70+ point games in the last 309 days. prior to that there had been four such games in the previous 58 years.

Mitchell's 71 point game last year was with overtime, and iirc he scored 13 points in OT in that game. It's interesting that only 2 of the 70+ point individual games went to OT, and that most of them shot 20+ free throws. Luka's stands out of the group as it was incredibly efficient shooting all around compared to some of the others. 

The Dame 71 game a few weeks after Mitchell was a fucking joke, he was running up the score while the Blazers were up 20+ in the 4th, and the team purposely did not play defense to feed him more shots. 

Here's a list of all of them, kind of funny how many times Wilt did it. 

 

[Pam Cummings 9639]

So outside of Wilt(it's crazy how many stats you have to just throw out/shrug your shoulders at and just say the word 'Wilt'), it should be about a once every ten years occurrence.

 

It becomes not special when it happens 4 times in 2 seasons. Something is up with that.

[Kermit 3156]

Now the league office is saying that the non call on Ant was correct and it was marginal contact. These motherfuckers have no credibility left. 

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

Robinson’s was the last game of the year, and they were trying to get him the scoring title I believe. So not normal game flow. 
 
there was something about Kobe’s too, wasn’t there?

[Kermit 3156]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Robinson’s was the last game of the year, and they were trying to get him the scoring title I believe. So not normal game flow. 
 
there was something about Kobe’s too, wasn’t there?

Yeah, Jalen Rose was guarding him. 

[Deej 76755]

5 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Adam Silver said "nah, son" to the 90's basketball you liked:

"There was a point, I believe, In the late 90s, when the game became too physical... from the aesthetic enjoyment of the game where it de-emphasized the particular skill a player had. Maybe it weighed too heavily on physicality where a big strong player could come in and prevent an incredibly skilled player from doing those kinds of things,” Silver said in his appearance on Kevin Garnett’s podcast entitled “KG Certified.”

 

80's NBA rules them all.

[Kermit 3156]

1 hour ago, Deej said:

80's NBA rules them all.

Just for one season, bring back the 80’s rules. Let me watch someone punch Dillon Brooks in the face without consequences. 

[Deej 76755]

You had to kill someone to get a technical foul back then. It was awesome. Enforcers like hockey.

[shadow_operative 15932]

 

 

 

[Braff Zacklin 13555]

Position is meaningless. It's beyond stupid. Yet there are some posters on this very forum who believe charging should never be called.

It's almost as dumb as the "restricted area." Imagine some other sport, say football, where it was illegal to stand within 5 yards of your own goal. Or in soccer, if it were forbidden to have a goalkeeper. Just fucking asinine.

And don't give me that "player safety" angle. If a defender is in front of his own goal, you don't have a right to try and go through him to dunk the ball. If you do and fall awkwardly and crack your fucking head open, that's your own fault. And it's also an offensive foul.

Well, it should be.

And don't get me started on "carrying."

[Post Oak 20208]

22 hours ago, Kermit said:

Just for one season, bring back the 80’s rules. Let me watch someone punch Dillon Brooks in the face without consequences. 

I'd pay to be front row when Dillon Brooks tried to play stupid games with Charles Oakley

 

[NorthLoop 14183]

I remember when the all star game was laughed at because they played zero defense. That's basically every NBA game now. I saw the writing on the wall in the 06 finals. Have barely watched any NBA since. 

[aggie08 21492]

Yet, almost invariably, two teams with Top 10 defenses--that they ramp up even higher in the postseason--meet in the NBA Finals every year.

Not that that helps the regular season product, though.

[Dutchrudder 11135]

16 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Position is meaningless. It's beyond stupid. Yet there are some posters on this very forum who believe charging should never be called.

It's almost as dumb as the "restricted area." Imagine some other sport, say football, where it was illegal to stand within 5 yards of your own goal. Or in soccer, if it were forbidden to have a goalkeeper. Just fucking asinine.

And don't give me that "player safety" angle. If a defender is in front of his own goal, you don't have a right to try and go through him to dunk the ball. If you do and fall awkwardly and crack your fucking head open, that's your own fault. And it's also an offensive foul.

Well, it should be.

And don't get me started on "carrying."

I agree, the restricted area is unnecessary  and hurts defenses. So does the 3 second rule, which also isn't needed any more. If a tall guy wants to camp out down there, I say let them. 3 point shooters will make them pay if they won't come out to defend the 3. The amount of skilled shooters in the league now outweighs the benefit of an immobile 7 footer protecting the rim. Plus it would reduce foul calls, which would make the game flow better. 

I think they should remove the ability to move the ball down the court with a timeout. That also hurts defenses in the final 2 minutes and makes the game take a lot longer because the offense doesn't have to bring the ball up the court. I can't think of any other sport that allows you to change the position on the field with something like a timeout. Imagine the NFL getting a free 5 yards from a timeout, or in baseball getting a 2-0 count to start an at-bat, it would be ludicrous. 

[El Squared 1800]

On 1/30/2024 at 8:05 AM, Deej said:

NBA basketball is hot garbage. 

Its a type of WWE/WWF with the refs as part of the script. All about gambling . Been that way.

[El Squared 1800]

On 1/30/2024 at 7:49 PM, Kermit said:

Just for one season, bring back the 80’s rules. Let me watch someone punch Dillon Brooks in the face without consequences. 

..or Adam Silver..

[ztejas 43411]

20 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

So does the 3 second rule, which also isn't needed any more. If a tall guy wants to camp out down there, I say let them. 3 point shooters will make them pay if they won't come out to defend the 3.

Yeah, I don't think this is true. The problems with not having a 3 second rule aren't evident because we've had the rule forever now. I'm sure Wembanyama would love not having a 3 second violation. You could play like a reverse box-and-1 with him just eating everything that comes inside. 

[ztejas 43411]

On 1/30/2024 at 5:58 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

there was something about Kobe’s too, wasn’t there?

No. Kobe just lit their ass up for 4Qs.

The reason he got to 81 was because the game stayed close. He had a couple others I think where he put up 60 in 3Q but it was in blowouts. 

[gsoda3 3248]

11 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah, I don't think this is true. The problems with not having a 3 second rule aren't evident because we've had the rule forever now. I'm sure Wembanyama would love not having a 3 second violation. You could play like a reverse box-and-1 with him just eating everything that comes inside. 

so let him.  there are too many teams now who can play 5 out and run PnRs all day.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

9 minutes ago, ztejas said:

No. Kobe just lit their ass up for 4Qs.

The reason he got to 81 was because the game stayed close. He had a couple others I think where he put up 60 in 3Q but it was in blowouts. 

Did they feed him in his last game or something?  Or am I just completely wrong about seeing a game where the goal was to get him as many points as possible?

[ztejas 43411]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Did they feed him in his last game or something?  Or am I just completely wrong about seeing a game where the goal was to get him as many points as possible?

Yeah that was his last NBA game ever against the Jazz. He took like 50 shots to get to 60.

[ztejas 43411]

2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

so let him.  there are too many teams now who can play 5 out and run PnRs all day.

I don't think we need to reinvent basketball. There is a reason things like the restricted area and 3 second rules exist. They just need to quit awarding so many charge calls and let more contact against ball-handlers and shooters go.

We know they can call it that way because they do it every season in the playoffs. 

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

Shrink the key back down to a…key shape?  Also lose the 3 point line and move the lakers back to minnesota. 

Edited February 1 by Pato del Muerto

[Mitch Cumsteen 18547]

 

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I don't think we need to reinvent basketball. There is a reason things like the restricted area and 3 second rules exist. They just need to quit awarding so many charge calls and let more contact against ball-handlers and shooters go.

We know they can call it that way because they do it every season in the playoffs. 

Totally agree. If they called the playoffs like regular season, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Most of the games are played around the 105-110 point mark, which to me is the right balance between good offense and good defense.

This is remarkable, to me:

 

 

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

Is 13% to 16% as big a deal as the y-axis scale is trying to show? Does the trend continue downward as you head back further than 2001?

Edited February 1 by Pato del Muerto

[gsoda3 3248]

24 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

 

Totally agree. If they called the playoffs like regular season, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Most of the games are played around the 105-110 point mark, which to me is the right balance between good offense and good defense.

This is remarkable, to me:

 

 

this has something to do with it also.

 

[shadow_operative 15932]

just saw the worst foul call i’ve seen in a minute (which is saying something), and it’s taking them three + minutes to review this BS. Lou Dort with the cleanest block of all time, and in fact dennis schroeder wraps his arm around dort and pulls him down, and yet it’s a foul on dort that they’re trying desperately to justify.

and you knew they wouldn’t overturn it. terrible. absolute horseshit. 

Edited February 5 by shadow_operative

[shadow_operative 15932]

look at this stupid shit:

 

[ztejas 43411]

Yeah I'm not sure what the point of challenges is if the refs aren't going to admit when they fuck up. I saw one the other night they didn't overturn where it was fucking obviously the wrong call.

[gsoda3 3248]

were they looking at his lower body is that why?

[ztejas 43411]

10 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

were they looking at his lower body is that why?

Maybe - but it looks extremely incidental to me.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18547]

There's some contact with the body, but it's really after the block. To me, that's a no call every time on an otherwise outstanding defensive play that gets fans out of their seats.

There used to be a lot of no calls, especially on block/charges. And it was okay. Incidental contact was allowed. A defender was allowed to try to make a defensive play by moving his feet and getting in front of the offensive player, and the offensive player was allowed to try to make an offensive play and get to the basket. He either made a shot or he didn't, and there was no whistle. The fans would boo for a second, but nobody got too bent out of shape and the game went on.

Now it seems like they have to blow their whistle every fucking time there's any contact. There was a certain understanding that the refs were going to let some of the shit go. I don't get why they can't go back to that. It's killing the game. 

[gsoda3 3248]

On 2/5/2024 at 9:48 AM, Mitch Cumsteen said:

There's some contact with the body, but it's really after the block. To me, that's a no call every time on an otherwise outstanding defensive play that gets fans out of their seats.

 

i don't like how they've expanded the strike zone, per se, of what constitutes a shooting foul-  from before the shot (on the gather step which is another thing that bothers me) all the way to the landing (which makes more sense to me). 

[dcar00 14157]

On 2/5/2024 at 9:48 AM, Mitch Cumsteen said:

There's some contact with the body, but it's really after the block. To me, that's a no call every time on an otherwise outstanding defensive play that gets fans out of their seats.

There used to be a lot of no calls, especially on block/charges. And it was okay. Incidental contact was allowed. A defender was allowed to try to make a defensive play by moving his feet and getting in front of the offensive player, and the offensive player was allowed to try to make an offensive play and get to the basket. He either made a shot or he didn't, and there was no whistle. The fans would boo for a second, but nobody got too bent out of shape and the game went on.

Now it seems like they have to blow their whistle every fucking time there's any contact. There was a certain understanding that the refs were going to let some of the shit go. I don't get why they can't go back to that. It's killing the game. 

replay now controls the game instead of the refs.  replay has killed everything...and the soccerfication(Ginobli head snap FTW) from the Euro's.

I'd like to see a week of games where if you complain at all you get a T and there is no replay(except on things like OOB and 3 pointer or not).  not on common fouls.

The game is unwatchable really.  

[Pam Cummings 9639]

I am so damn sick of every time someone lightly brushes someone elses face with their finger, now we have to go and review it and see if it's a flagrant. This is happening in college and the pro's.

 

Here's a crazy thought....if a foul is flagrant, it's obvious in real time. Either call it or don't. We don't need to fucking review every single time contact is made above the neck. Nobody asked for this.

Edited February 13 by Pam Cummings