Texas Softball 2024 - Farewell to the Big 12 (and back to OKC?)

[Vermin 3171]

What would've been the ruling if a player hit a HR and missed tagging a base but it was discovered before the next pitch? Could she just go out and re-run the bases?

[Js1 87306]

1 minute ago, Vermin said:

What would've been the ruling if a player hit a HR and missed tagging a base but it was discovered before the next pitch? Could she just go out and re-run the bases?

Miss a base after hitting a HR, you are out but all the runners on base that scored count.  Would be scored how ever many bases you did touch properly + out at the base you missed. 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3616]

27 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Big 12 - 3 teams

SEC - 2 teams

Pac 12 - 2 teams 

ACC - 1 team

Or in terms of new conferences, SEC has 4, ACC has 2, Big 12 has 1, B1G has 1

SEC was primed up to have a big representation in OKC, but Mizzou lost at home in 3, aggy lost in 3, LSU lost in 3, Arkansas didn’t advance out of their regional and one of Tenn/Bama had to lose.

Really hate that Bama win - Beaver is good, but Duke + Tenn pitching would have at least given OU a harder time on that side of the bracket. That side is def easier than the side featuring Kavan, Canady, Rothrock and Kilfoyl. Our side of the bracket features all 3 POY candidates and 1 of the FOY candidates 

If things play out the way I am thinking then OU is gonna have a rough ride and the winner of Texas/OSU is going to be sitting pretty. I anticipate that Texas and OSU will be playing each other after they both win their first game. Loser of that game will bracket switch and end up playing OU. Winner will have a clear and easy path to the final. Going 2-0 is the key.  

[Js1 87306]

3 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

If things play out the way I am thinking then OU is gonna have a rough ride and the winner of Texas/OSU is going to be sitting pretty. I anticipate that Texas and OSU will be playing each other after they both win their first game. Loser of that game will bracket switch and end up playing OU. Winner will have a clear and easy path to the final. Going 2-0 is the key.  

The key is winning game 1 and getting that day off and not having to play Friday to stay alive. 

If you lose that first game, you have to play Thursday, Friday, Sunday, Monday. 

[HenryJames 67474]

12 hours ago, chemHORN said:

[bschoolprof 6352]

6 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

If things play out the way I am thinking then OU is gonna have a rough ride and the winner of Texas/OSU is going to be sitting pretty. I anticipate that Texas and OSU will be playing each other after they both win their first game. Loser of that game will bracket switch and end up playing OU. Winner will have a clear and easy path to the final. Going 2-0 is the key.  

So we just gotta beat Stanford and OSU.

 

[Gut Wagon 8219]

38 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Really hate that Bama win - Beaver is good, but Duke + Tenn pitching would have at least given OU a harder time on that side of the bracket. That side is def easier than the side featuring Kavan, Canady, Rothrock and Kilfoyl. Our side of the bracket features all 3 POY candidates and 1 of the FOY candidates 

The meddling to set up OU for a fourth straight title is both obvious and nauseating. They don't need any help, especially playing all home games. Can't wait to see the laughable officiating in their favor.  

[Js1 87306]

49 minutes ago, FloridaHorn said:

It will be Morgan. Stanford has trouble scoring runs, so Mac keeping the ball on the ground makes it even more difficult. First team to 3 wins the game. Be patient at the plate, see the ball down in the zone, and score early.

So if we manage to win, that would set up TK for Saturday, even Though Citlaly was by far our best pitcher against OKST (1 run allowed). Which gives you CG and Mac available win or lose on either Sunday or Monday.

Im fine with starting Mac. Stanford saw Mac for 1 inning in the first matchup, and TK for 4 innings and CG for 4 in the second matchup. 

[Js1 87306]

2 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

The meddling to set up OU for a fourth straight title is both obvious and nauseating. They don't need any help, especially playing all home games. Can't wait to see the laughable officiating in their favor.  

Other than giving them a 15 seed who should have been 16 or not hosting at all, the bracket is what it is and the 2 seed is always going to face the 3-6-7 teams. Tenn choking game 3 and Mizzou losing a toss-up regional isn’t meddling.

But you know if OU was the 1 seed, aggy would have suddenly been seeded 14 or 15  

[Gut Wagon 8219]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Other than giving them a 15 seed who should have been 16 or not hosting at all, the bracket is what it is and the 2 seed is always going to face the 3-6-7 teams. Tenn choking game 3 and Mizzou losing a toss-up regional isn’t meddling.

But you know if OU was the 1 seed, aggy would have suddenly been seeded 14 or 15  

Yes, it began with seeding. They've also been really lucky to this point, as noted. We can only hope that part suddenly ends. 

[msucolt45 4237]

So we just gotta beat Stanford and OSU.
 

Alright, Alright, Alright!!!

Hook’em!!!

[troph 25260]

1 hour ago, bschoolprof said:

Half full:

We held off a scrappy and under-seeded TAMU team playing out of their minds. Trailing in all three games, we came back and won two of them, which will give us the confidence we need to do something similar, if necessary, in OKC.

Half-empty:

After being arguably the best team during the regular season, with a top 10 pitching staff, we are limping into OKC and our bullpen looks shaky at best.  You can't win championships in softball/baseball without elite pitching, so we get shit on in OKC and go 2 and que.

Pick one.  There is no middle ground.   

third option:

Texas showed the grit and determination to beat a team clearly belonging in the WCWS, or at a minimum one of the first ones left out (from a rankings perspective) that showed up with a chip on their shoulder and nothing to lose. After weathering the storm from some storybook performances from a clearly inspired team, and getting soap in their eyes from all those fucking bubbles, the number 1 team in the country found their vision, reestablished their identity and overcame adversity and did what champions do on a called third strike to win the series. just win baby, just win. Given the adversity and the level of competition the Texas Longhorns faced, given the gutsy performance by their pitching staff in game three, and the clutch offense late in all three games, they have to be a favorite to win it all.

Edited May 27 by troph

[Chopper 17452]

13 hours ago, chemHORN said:

That's fucked up.

[Hook1997 5533]

Definitely need better pitching performance than this series to have a chance yo win it all.  

[Cairn Horn88 8503]

13 hours ago, bschoolprof said:

They need to change the review rules. You should get 1 that you keep if you are right. Also, no reviews of leaving early except straight steals. Leaving early on a hit or tag is left up to the umpire. 

LSU had a player called out for leaving early at 2nd base…..on a ball 4 walk!

[FloridaHorn 4887]

40 minutes ago, Js1 said:

So if we manage to win, that would set up TK for Saturday, even Though Citlaly was by far our best pitcher against OKST (1 run allowed). Which gives you CG and Mac available win or lose on either Sunday or Monday.

Im fine with starting Mac. Stanford saw Mac for 1 inning in the first matchup, and TK for 4 innings and CG for 4 in the second matchup. 

In theory, yes….but this time of year you ride the hot hand until her arm falls off. Seems like Mike really trust Mac to throw strikes and let the defense make plays. Ok State is a power hitting team, so I think he goes with Citlaly there and hopes she is over whatever was wrong with her in Supers.

5 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

LSU had a player called out for leaving early at 2nd base…..on a ball 4 walk!

Stupid wears many colors, not just burnt orange. Lol

[Gatorubet 30799]

12 hours ago, Js1 said:

They got swept by Florida lol

So they were due….AMIRITE!???

[UTEE97 3946]

12 hours ago, gernblansten said:

“That was a strike!!!” is the new “They’re holding!!!!

Technology could easily fix these strike zone controversies in softball and baseball. I guess that would make cheating harder, which is why it won't happen.

[FloridaHorn 4887]

Our side of the bracket is loaded with offense but the Horns have the deepest pitching. Florida and Ok State rely on power to score and will ride Rothrock and Kilfoyl in every game. Stanford is shit outside of Canada, but she is enough to get them a couple of wins if they get any hitting. I have said it all year, so I will stick with it, the Horns are the most versatile offense in the country. If Atwood and sStewart can provide some pop, we will be hard to beat most games.

[Cairn Horn88 8503]

35 minutes ago, troph said:

third option:

Texas showed the grit and determination to beat a team clearly belonging in the WCWS, or at a minimum one of the first ones left out (from a rankings perspective) that showed up with a chip on their shoulder and nothing to lose. After weathering the storm from some storybook performances from a clearly inspired team, and getting soap in their eyes from all those fucking bubbles, the number 1 team in the country found their vision, reestablished their identity and overcame adversity and did what champions do on a called third strike to win the series. just win baby, just win. Given the adversity and the level of competition the Texas Longhorns faced, given the gutsy performance by their pitching staff in game three, and the clutch offense late in all three games, they have to be a favorite to win it all.

Wake up….wake up!

[bschoolprof 6352]

23 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

LSU had a player called out for leaving early at 2nd base…..on a ball 4 walk!

yeah - this is bullshit.  Unless it's egregious enough to be seen by the naked eye by the ump, and possibly affect the defense in any way, it should not be disallowed and thus should not be reviewable.  Going down to the millisecond on something that doesn't matter is idiotic.  

[Js1 87306]

10 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

yeah - this is bullshit.  Unless it's egregious enough to be seen by the naked eye by the ump, and possibly affect the defense in any way, it should not be disallowed and thus should not be reviewable.  Going down to the millisecond on something that doesn't matter is idiotic.  

Yeah, calling a runner out for leaving early on a WALK seems, to me, to violate the spirit of the rule of the runner getting an advantage.  A steal or a base hit?  Yeah, review and call them out.  A walk?  Come on!   I'd even quibble calling a runner out for leaving early on a HR would be petty ass shit, because the runner didn't get an advantage, the ball was out of the yard regardless.

Edited May 27 by Js1

[Pato del Muerto 53607]

41 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

LSU had a player called out for leaving early at 2nd base…..on a ball 4 walk!

Incredibly dumb rule as it is right now. 
 

However, it’s just as dumb that players haven’t adjusted by now and aren’t trying to time it perfectly when as you say, milliseconds really don’t matter. Leave a little late, make sure. 
 

How often has leaving a beat late resulted in an out, vs leaving one camera frame early?

Edited May 27 by Pato del Muerto

[Js1 87306]

Interesting that someone noted how familiar the Texas and aggy rosters are with each other, plus they played twice last year as well. 

• Bella and Riley Wiggins played HS ball together at Wylie
• Atwood was Kennedy's catcher in travel ball, so they are very familiar and probably why Reese had so much success against her (3 hits, 3 walks, 2 HBP against Kennedy in 3 games) 
• Scott, Goode, Henry, CG, SS for Texas and Coleman, Williams and Jones for aggy all played travel ball together
• Wooley, Washington and Hunter all played travel ball together
• Ford coached Mac for a year at ASU

[Js1 87306]

Texas Sports mentions the Austin Super Regional was the highest scoring super regional ever, 39 combined runs in 3 one-run ball games (Texas 20, aggy 19)

Also set a single-game attendance record at McCombs and Scott's HR put Texas at 89 for the year, setting a new program record

Hopefully Reese gets that single-season Big 12 RBI record while in OKC - 2 away from tying the record

Edited May 27 by Js1

[ClubWhatever 12324]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

That's fucked up.

I think the ump has a thing for the Aggie manager

[WBT 21001]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Big 12 - 3 teams

SEC - 2 teams

Pac 12 - 2 teams 

ACC - 1 team

Now do tourney bids

[Js1 87306]

And a super wild stat - Mike White has been to a super every year he has been a college HC, except 2020 (COVID)

2010-13: 0-4 in game 1 of super regionals
2014-17: 4-0
2018-2024: 0-6

We have not won a game 1 of the super regional under White (L to Bama, L to OKST, L to Arky, L to Tenn, L to aggy) 

[WBT 21001]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

But you know if OU was the 1 seed, aggy would have suddenly been seeded 14 or 15

aggy would have been seeded 17 minus our seed, so yeah

[Js1 87306]

1 minute ago, WBT said:

Now do tourney bids

Big 12 - 3 WCWS teams, 4 supers teams, 5 total teams made it (3 hosted supers, all advanced)
SEC - 2 WCWS teams, 7 supers teams, 13 total teams made it (2 hosted supers failed to advance to OKC, 1 host failed to advance to supers)
Pac 12 - 2 WCWS teams, 3 supers teams, 7 total teams made it (2 hosted supers, all advanced)
ACC - 1 WCWS team, 2 supers teams, 5 total teams made it (no super hosts) 

[WBT 21001]

30 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

However, it’s just as dumb that players haven’t adjusted by now and aren’t trying to time it perfectly when as you say, milliseconds really don’t matter. Leave a little late, make sure. 

definitely this.  If it's a rule you have to enforce it.  You can't have a rule and then say never mind don't worry about it half the time.

[VirginiaLonghorn 4919]

3 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

If you watch as much baseball/softball as some of us do, you just know...

I see yourself isn’t the only thing you’re full of …

[bschoolprof 6352]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

However, it’s just as dumb that players haven’t adjusted by now and aren’t trying to time it perfectly when as you say, milliseconds really don’t matter. Leave a little late, make sure. 
 

How often has leaving a beat late resulted in an out, vs leaving one camera frame early?

It's easier said than done.  These girls have been taught their entire lives to leave when the pitcher's arm reaches a certain spot on the watch dial, such that they leave just when the ball is released; relying purely on the human eye, this is fine.  But once you start slowing things down frame by frame, you realize they sometimes actually leave a hair early.  Who really gives a shit? Especially in a game where something far more important - the strike zone - moves around inning to inning.  If it's imperceptible in real time, there's no way it's affecting the fielders on a hit or conferring any kind of significant advantage (except on a steal).  

Don't get me wrong . . . it should still be illegal, in order to discourage runners from playing games as in a hit and run or get a jump to score on a single.  But base umps have always watched out for this and it's never been a problem in the game until we started going down to the microsecond.  It should be policed with the eye, not replay IMO.  I think's that's in keeping with the spirit of the game and the rule. 

[BurntOrange&White 42020]

6 hours ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

No shit!  For the life of me, I cannot tell how someone sees balls and strikes so clearly when the TV camera angle is 30-45 degrees off center of the line between the rubber and plate.

The incessant whining is a bit much …

It's fairly easy to spot inconsistent behind the plate calls. Especially when the pitchers are hitting same spots that are strikes some innings and balls the next or strikes for some team and balls for the other. This is all regardless of camera position. 

4 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

If you watch as much baseball/softball as some of us do, you just know...

You could tell the pitchers and catchers from both teams were hating the inconsistent calls as well. 

[Gut Wagon 8219]

2 hours ago, troph said:

third option:

Texas showed the grit and determination to beat a team clearly belonging in the WCWS, or at a minimum one of the first ones left out (from a rankings perspective) that showed up with a chip on their shoulder and nothing to lose. After weathering the storm from some storybook performances from a clearly inspired team, and getting soap in their eyes from all those fucking bubbles, the number 1 team in the country found their vision, reestablished their identity and overcame adversity and did what champions do on a called third strike to win the series. just win baby, just win. Given the adversity and the level of competition the Texas Longhorns faced, given the gutsy performance by their pitching staff in game three, and the clutch offense late in all three games, they have to be a favorite to win it all.

[LTtxfan 50038]

Won't be long till robot umps are used to call balls and strikes. 

I don't mind a smaller strike zone in softball because it helps the offense.  But the strike zone calls need to be a helluva lot more consistent.  There were some real bullshit mistakes made by home plate umpires during the Super 8's this past weekend.   

Frustrating... 

[BonzoMontreaux 1137]

1st thing that should happen is that they need to have booth initiated reviews. Lots of bang bang plays in this sport. Not to mention the egregious fuck ups on other judgement calls. Next, robo umps for balls and strikes.

[TexasIsBetter 275]

Any of you jokers gonna be in OKC? We'll be there for the Saturday and Sunday games

[Chooky 13342]

20 hours ago, Grimas said:

I had a nightmare about pegging last night…

 

[Hornsbay22 485]

5 hours ago, bschoolprof said:

It's easier said than done.  These girls have been taught their entire lives to leave when the pitcher's arm reaches a certain spot on the watch dial, such that they leave just when the ball is released; relying purely on the human eye, this is fine.  But once you start slowing things down frame by frame, you realize they sometimes actually leave a hair early.  Who really gives a shit? Especially in a game where something far more important - the strike zone - moves around inning to inning.  If it's imperceptible in real time, there's no way it's affecting the fielders on a hit or conferring any kind of significant advantage (except on a steal).  

Don't get me wrong . . . it should still be illegal, in order to discourage runners from playing games as in a hit and run or get a jump to score on a single.  But base umps have always watched out for this and it's never been a problem in the game until we started going down to the microsecond.  It should be policed with the eye, not replay IMO.  I think's that's in keeping with the spirit of the game and the rule. 

Also harder on second base  because you don't see the angles of the release because you're kinda shielded.

[Hornsbay22 485]

6 hours ago, Js1 said:

Interesting that someone noted how familiar the Texas and aggy rosters are with each other, plus they played twice last year as well. 

• Bella and Riley Wiggins played HS ball together at Wylie
• Atwood was Kennedy's catcher in travel ball, so they are very familiar and probably why Reese had so much success against her (3 hits, 3 walks, 2 HBP against Kennedy in 3 games) 
• Scott, Goode, Henry, CG, SS for Texas and Coleman, Williams and Jones for aggy all played travel ball together
• Wooley, Washington and Hunter all played travel ball together
• Ford coached Mac for a year at ASU

Katie Cimunz Actually caught her more, she was on the same team every year.  Washington didn't play with Wooley and Hunter, she played on a DFW team of the same organization.

 

Also Mia Scott committed to A&M as an 8th grader, then the no contact before junior rule came about.  We hired MIke White and Steve Singleton and they flipped her kinda late.

[Dennis Taylor 19389]

21 hours ago, SurlyBDR said:

aggy talk

aggy no win

aggy cry

[Js1 87306]

2 hours ago, Hornsbay22 said:

Also Mia Scott committed to A&M as an 8th grader, then the no contact before junior rule came about.  We hired MIke White and Steve Singleton and they flipped her kinda late.

That was a huge flip because Clark was just a lazy recruiter and also refused to pursue anyone committed somewhere else already. Mike has had no issues flipping players 

[Kel Varnsen 8749]

Or flipping birds

O

[HollidayHorn 274]

4 hours ago, TexasIsBetter said:

Any of you jokers gonna be in OKC? We'll be there for the Saturday and Sunday games

We'll be there Thursday through Sunday. Stop by the tailgate and say hello. When u come through the front gate look to your right for the red Chevy flying Longhorn flags. 

[txhorns 2421]

I may try to make it to OKC for some of it.  Would be my first time to the WCWS.

[TrashMaster G 18137]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

That was a huge flip because Clark was just a lazy recruiter and also refused to pursue anyone committed somewhere else already. Mike has had no issues flipping players 

It still pisses me off to think about how many years we inexplicably stuck with that thieving bitch.

[Vermin 3171]

24 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said:

It still pisses me off to think about how many years we inexplicably stuck with that thieving bitch.

Who is "we"? It was only one person.

[HuntinHorn 1005]

23 hours ago, Vermin said:

What would've been the ruling if a player hit a HR and missed tagging a base but it was discovered before the next pitch? Could she just go out and re-run the bases?

If the defensive teams gets the ball to the base she is out on protest  ....

[Js1 87306]

11 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

It still pisses me off to think about how many years we inexplicably stuck with that thieving bitch.

She should have been fired after we lost 2 home regionals as a national seed in back to back years. That was so embarrassing