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247 gave a blurb today that we’re smack in the middle of the pack for SEC NIL. Said they’ll elaborate more in the Insider Thursday.
 

Will be interesting to see what FCB has to say. Around February 2021, Chip called that Shaka would be leaving mutually (I think he specifically mentioned marquette too) if he didn’t have a deep tourney run, regardless of the regular season, so he’s got a decent beat

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i wonder if we will give will wade a look now that paying players is legal. his resume is the exact kind that you’re looking for when filling a vacancy like this one. 

•jumped chattanooga up 163 spots from the previous year in his first year in charge. got hired by VCU after just two seasons.

•won the A10 and a tourney game in his first year at VCU. was hired by LSU after just two years at VCU.

•kenpom finishes at LSU:

66, 19, 37, 24, 21

his first four teams were elite offensively: 33rd, 12th, 4th, and 5th nationally in ORtg

his fifth team finished 6th in DRtg

•30-4 in first year at McNeese with a team that was 9th in the country in 3-point shooting and 6th in the country in forcing turnovers. 

THAT is the type of resume that Texas should be going after. not a guy with four months of d-1 experience, not a guy with 10 totally unremarkable years at fresno state and utep- no. a guy who’s young enough to stick around for two decades but proven enough to unarguably warrant his hiring and the optimism that comes with it.

will we actually go after will wade? i very seriously doubt it. but i love his resume, and it should be used as a template for the kind of coach we should be hiring at Texas.

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What is the issue with UT doing what Arizona did in hiring Tommy Lloyd?  It's almost universally agreed on the board that NOW he would be a good hire for Texas.  But five years ago, he was not.  What's stopping UT from identifying and hiring their own Tommy Lloyd? 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, WJC88 said:

What is the issue with UT doing what Arizona did in hiring Tommy Lloyd?  It's almost universally agreed on the board that NOW he would be a good hire for Texas.  But five years ago, he was not.  What's stopping UT from identifying and hiring their own Tommy Lloyd? 

 

 

CDC has an MO on coaches - he hires a program builder who has had success (esp. postseason success) at their previous stop as head coach. 

Texas has notoriously not hired assistants as head coaches, barring circumstances like Beard and Center being let go midseason and their replacements earning the job). Off the top of my head, the only coaches right now who weren't hired directly from a HC position (besides Berque and RT) are Captiani and Sark, and CDC didn't really hire Sark.  And Berque, RT and Sark all have been HCs before. 

You can directly look at CDC's hires - 

White - built Oregon into a national power
Schaefer - built MSU into a 2x runner up
Ianello - built Arizona up and won a title
Floreal - built up multiple programs into title contenders
Bowman - built up ASU and won a title
Schloss - built up TCU and aggy into title contenders
Metzger - built up UCLA into 2x title winners

Even the Plonsky hires were previous HCs - Kelly (meh at Tenn, but did make 5 Sweet 16s), O'Neill (built Cal into a rowing title contender), Joffe (built aggy into a title contender).  She gets 1/2 credit for Elliot, with Jody, and he took Mick Haley's recruits to the Final Four and had back to back #1 recruiting classes as Interim.  

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32 minutes ago, WJC88 said:

What is the issue with UT doing what Arizona did in hiring Tommy Lloyd?  It's almost universally agreed on the board that NOW he would be a good hire for Texas.  But five years ago, he was not.  What's stopping UT from identifying and hiring their own Tommy Lloyd? 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Js1 said:

CDC has an MO on coaches - he hires a program builder who has had success (esp. postseason success) at their previous stop as head coach. 

Texas has notoriously not hired assistants as head coaches, barring circumstances like Beard and Center being let go midseason and their replacements earning the job). Off the top of my head, the only coaches right now who weren't hired directly from a HC position (besides Berque and RT) are Captiani and Sark, and CDC didn't really hire Sark.  And Berque, RT and Sark all have been HCs before. 

You can directly look at CDC's hires - 

White - built Oregon into a national power
Schaefer - built MSU into a 2x runner up
Ianello - built Arizona up and won a title
Floreal - built up multiple programs into title contenders
Bowman - built up ASU and won a title
Schloss - built up TCU and aggy into title contenders
Metzger - built up UCLA into 2x title winners

Even the Plonsky hires were previous HCs - Kelly (meh at Tenn, but did make 5 Sweet 16s), O'Neill (built Cal into a rowing title contender), Joffe (built aggy into a title contender).  She gets 1/2 credit for Elliot, with Jody, and he took Mick Haley's recruits to the Final Four and had back to back #1 recruiting classes as Interim.  

 

good question and good answer. the problem here is that most everyone who meets CDC’s usual criteria is either totally ungettable or will simply use the Texas (and UNC?) job openings to get themselves a nice raise at their current job. good coaches move around more in other sports than they do in cbb. your really good, Texas-level hires find the right job and then stay there for a decade or two (or three). god damn it chris beard. you really did fuck us. CDC is probably going to have to go for someone less proven than he wants if he can’t get Lloyd.

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I agree  that Lloyd himself is a great hire - fun brand of ball, learned under Few, could absolutely leverage the star power of Austin with the international kids, young (50), is employed by a broke ass bitch school, has four top 50 picks he coached at Arizona already and could leverage his U-19 experience. 

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I am paraphrasing from 15 years ago, but a friend at the Daily Texas interview DeLoss and Plonsky and they both said something along the lines of - Texas doesn't hire coaches who need to learn how to be head coaches here. 

We are a destination school/job who attracts successful head coaches who want the spotlight. 

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

CDC has an MO on coaches - he hires a program builder who has had success (esp. postseason success) at their previous stop as head coach. 

Texas has notoriously not hired assistants as head coaches, barring circumstances like Beard and Center being let go midseason and their replacements earning the job). Off the top of my head, the only coaches right now who weren't hired directly from a HC position (besides Berque and RT) are Captiani and Sark, and CDC didn't really hire Sark.  And Berque, RT and Sark all have been HCs before. 

You can directly look at CDC's hires - 

White - built Oregon into a national power
Schaefer - built MSU into a 2x runner up
Ianello - built Arizona up and won a title
Floreal - built up multiple programs into title contenders
Bowman - built up ASU and won a title
Schloss - built up TCU and aggy into title contenders
Metzger - built up UCLA into 2x title winners

Even the Plonsky hires were previous HCs - Kelly (meh at Tenn, but did make 5 Sweet 16s), O'Neill (built Cal into a rowing title contender), Joffe (built aggy into a title contender).  She gets 1/2 credit for Elliot, with Jody, and he took Mick Haley's recruits to the Final Four and had back to back #1 recruiting classes as Interim.  

CDC specifically said that one criteria is he wants to see that a coach has built a program up twice.  it helps filter the one hit wonder/rode one player.  LIke I don't see CDC hiring Shaka, Charlie, Aston.  I doubt he would have hired him but Pierce seemed to have an OK esume but he had never gotten to a super and was at lower level programs.

it isn't a hard and fast rule because resumes like White, Schaefer speak for themselves.  Sark is actually an outlier.

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

CDC specifically said that one criteria is he wants to see that a coach has built a program up twice.  it helps filter the one hit wonder/rode one player.  LIke I don't see CDC hiring Shaka, Charlie, Aston.  I doubt he would have hired him but Pierce seemed to have an OK esume but he had never gotten to a super and was at lower level programs.

it isn't a hard and fast rule because resumes like White, Schaefer speak for themselves.  Sark is actually an outlier.

What two programs did Chris Beard build up? Are we really counting Angelo State and Little Rock?

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1 hour ago, Ignatius said:

 

 

What two programs did Chris Beard build up? Are we really counting Angelo State and Little Rock?

he was successful at every stop. He went 30-5 at UALR(and won only the 2nd NCAA tourney game in their history) a year after they went 13-18 and then went to the EE and was a hair from winning it all at Tech.  That's gonna be good enough.

Oh and UALR went 15-17 the year after he left

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If we're being honest, Beard's 21-22 Texas team underperformed.  I mean, look at this roster... just full of senior All-Conference players.  We had guys with 50+ starts buried deep on the bench.  

  • Marcus Carr, Senior - 3rd Team Big 10
  • Courtney Ramey, Senior - 3rd Team Big 12
  • Andrew Jones, Senior - 2nd Team Big 12
  • Timmy Allen, Senior - 1st Team All Pac 10
  • Tre Mitchell, Junior - 1st Team All A-10
  • Christian Bishop, Senior - Big East 4th in rebounding, 1st in TS%
  • Jase Febres, Senior - 61 starts at Texas
  • Dylan Disu, Junior - 48 starts at Vanderbilt
  • Devin Askew, Soph - 5-star transfer 
  • Jaylon Tyson, Freshman - National top-35 recruit  (#20 draft pick in 2024)
  • Brock Cunningham, Junior
  • Avery Benson, Senior - Culture guy

That roster should have been better than a 6 seed.  Yes, we go screwed in a bad matchup with Purdue, but that wouldn't have happened if we took care of business during the season.  We got swept by F'ing Texas Tech. We lost to KU in OT. Lost in the first round of the B12 tourney to TCU. Lost a few more close games on top of that.  In the end, we lost 12 games, worse than Shaka's 8 losses the year before. And only got a single tourney win.

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4 minutes ago, HookEm said:

If we're being honest, Beard's 21-22 Texas team underperformed.  I mean, look at this roster... just full of senior All-Conference players.  We had guys with 50+ starts buried deep on the bench.  

  • Marcus Carr, Senior - 3rd Team Big 10
  • Courtney Ramey, Senior - 3rd Team Big 12
  • Andrew Jones, Senior - 2nd Team Big 12
  • Timmy Allen, Senior - 1st Team All Pac 10
  • Tre Mitchell, Junior - 1st Team All A-10
  • Christian Bishop, Senior - Big East 4th in rebounding, 1st in TS%
  • Jase Febres, Senior - 61 starts at Texas
  • Dylan Disu, Junior - 48 starts at Vanderbilt
  • Devin Askew, Soph - 5-star transfer 
  • Jaylon Tyson, Freshman - National top-35 recruit  (#20 draft pick in 2024)
  • Brock Cunningham, Junior
  • Avery Benson, Senior - Culture guy

That roster should have been better than a 6 seed.  Yes, we go screwed in a bad matchup with Purdue, but that wouldn't have happened if we took care of business during the season.  We got swept by F'ing Texas Tech. We lost to KU in OT. Lost in the first round of the B12 tourney to TCU. Lost a few more close games on top of that.  In the end, we lost 12 games, worse than Shaka's 8 losses the year before. And only got a single tourney win.

So one NBA caliber player and that one was a true freshman.  Disu was rehabbing or easing in to it most of the year.  Askew was a bust.  The rest were second tier players in the best league or first tier players in lesser leagues.  No dominant rebounders on the team - guys that did by hustle and toughness.

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beard’s first team was built from nothing, was full of guys who’d never played together before, had zero nba talent, no shooters, no size, and no athleticism, and all they did was finish 15th in kenpom (11 spots higher than our previous team with its 3 nba forwards plus a group of senior guards who’d been together for years), and won a tourney game at Texas for the first time since 2014, setting Texas up as a final four favorite for the following season. chris beard’s 21-22 program building/coaching job was about a 98 out of 100. maybe one more tourney win and it’s a perfect score, but that coaching job by beard was like michael dropping 63 in the garden; that shit was legendary. very, very few coaches could have done what he did. it’s hard to imagine anyone doing better than he did with his empty roster and lack of time to build his system and program when he arrived. 

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46 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

So one NBA caliber player and that one was a true freshman.  Disu was rehabbing or easing in to it most of the year.  Askew was a bust.  The rest were second tier players in the best league or first tier players in lesser leagues.  No dominant rebounders on the team - guys that did by hustle and toughness.

Are you saying that a 6-seed met expectations with that group? Not for me.

1st team All-conference in the Pac-10 isn't a 2nd tier player. Neither is 2nd team all-conference in the Big 12. You would also expect 2nd and 3rd team All-Conference players to improve the following year, as they get better and other players leave.  Beard got nothing out of Tyson. He got nothing out of Askew. He got nothing out of Tre Mitchell.  They all under-performed, and some of that falls on Beard.  If they sucked that bad he shouldn't have recruited them.

 

2 minutes ago, Derka said:

beard’s first team was built from nothing,

C'mon, not even close.  He inherited three senior guard starters off an NCAA 3-seed team, of which Andrew Jones and Courtney Ramey were both All-Conference.  Cunningham also returned and was a 15 mpg contributor.  Those are great building blocks. 

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I will give Beard credit for completely and totally changing the culture with the fans though. He is an amazing promoter and there was an energy around the program. He also got guys like Ramey playing great defense.

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I feel like the legend of Chris Beard will be bigger than what Chris Beard did at Texas amongst Texas fans.

The legend of what Beard could have maybe done 

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7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I feel like the legend of Chris Beard will be bigger than what Chris Beard did at Texas amongst Texas fans.

Well, it was clear the guy knew how to build a program and succeed.  You can't blame Texas fans for being pissy that the dumbass threw it all away.

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1 hour ago, HookEm said:

If we're being honest, Beard's 21-22 Texas team underperformed.  I mean, look at this roster... just full of senior All-Conference players.  We had guys with 50+ starts buried deep on the bench.  

  • Marcus Carr, Senior - 3rd Team Big 10
  • Courtney Ramey, Senior - 3rd Team Big 12
  • Andrew Jones, Senior - 2nd Team Big 12
  • Timmy Allen, Senior - 1st Team All Pac 10
  • Tre Mitchell, Junior - 1st Team All A-10
  • Christian Bishop, Senior - Big East 4th in rebounding, 1st in TS%
  • Jase Febres, Senior - 61 starts at Texas
  • Dylan Disu, Junior - 48 starts at Vanderbilt
  • Devin Askew, Soph - 5-star transfer 
  • Jaylon Tyson, Freshman - National top-35 recruit  (#20 draft pick in 2024)
  • Brock Cunningham, Junior
  • Avery Benson, Senior - Culture guy

That roster should have been better than a 6 seed.  Yes, we go screwed in a bad matchup with Purdue, but that wouldn't have happened if we took care of business during the season.  We got swept by F'ing Texas Tech. We lost to KU in OT. Lost in the first round of the B12 tourney to TCU. Lost a few more close games on top of that.  In the end, we lost 12 games, worse than Shaka's 8 losses the year before. And only got a single tourney win.

The 2022 team wasn't perfect but we got boned in that Purdue game.  Then we would have had a S16 game against #15 St Peters to worry about.  

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2 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

The 2022 team wasn't perfect but we got boned in that Purdue game.  Then we would have had a S16 game against #15 St Peters to worry about.  

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To be fair, every team that faced Purdue with Edey got boned by shit officiating where that schmuck could do whatever he wanted defensively but if you breathed on him it was a foul.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

To be fair, every team that faced Purdue with Edey got boned by shit officiating where that schmuck could do whatever he wanted defensively but if you breathed on him it was a foul.

Edey elbows you in the face and steps on your head and finishes the dunk 

*whistle, defensive foul* 

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1 hour ago, Sir Ulrich said:

The 2022 team wasn't perfect but we got boned in that Purdue game.  Then we would have had a S16 game against #15 St Peters to worry about.  

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On second thought, that game should be higher up on my list of painful games.  Sooooo frustrating.  

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

To be fair, every team that faced Purdue with Edey got boned by shit officiating where that schmuck could do whatever he wanted defensively but if you breathed on him it was a foul.

Edey fouled 1x in his college career and had less than 2 (1.9) per game as a senior.  In the NBA, he fouled out of his first game in just 14 minutes of game action.  HAHA

Fouling has been a big problem for Edey in the NBA. After averaging just one foul per 16.4 minutes of playing time during his senior year at Purdue, he's picking one up every 4.9 minutes in the NBA. His 7.4 fouls per 36 minutes is by far the highest on the team and making it difficult to play him for long stretches

 

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43 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

When you have Devin Askew and Marcus Carr as your ball handlers, that team wasn't going to go very far. Carr could get hot at times but the dude was a black hole in his first year.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a dude at Texas turn it around in one season the way he did. He was an outright ass-whipping that first season and then totally effervescent in 2023. Went from a guy I couldn't stand to one of my favorite players ever at Texas.

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reminds me of connor atchley’s growth from his sophomore to junior year. went from a goal nobody to this alarmingly efficient stretch four who would bust three threes on you and then swat your shit into the third row on the defensive end. most remarkable year to year changing a player that I can remember seeing at Texas.

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I watched the game last night and thought our boys played well enough to get the W, but alas, winning on the road is tough. Ive seen enough of this season to say he can coach his way to another season.  Tough league for sure, last night was winnable. If he makes the tournament and wins a game he'll get another year  no questions asked.   If we go on a bad run and miss out on tournament, he's gone imo. 

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