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Which makes letting Beard go even more maddening. Beard knew how to build that type of culture.  They should have suspended him the remainder of the season instead of firing him. No one cares, gi

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this is so fucking disingenuous i can't believe someone actually wrote it.  two of the losses are to dogshit non-tournament teams, one of which came on our own homecourt where we blew a 15 point secon

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I’ll lay the cover fire for you, @shadow_operative.   Normally, I wouldn’t condone anything like this at this juncture in a coach’s tenure. However, there were legitimate concerns from the j

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5 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

When I think of Chris Beard players at Texas the only one I think of is Arterio Morris. 

Saint Chris's extremely light treatment of Arterio's DV charges was a flashing red light in retrospect

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A conference tournament championship is _not_ a conference title. Unless you're on the bubble, conference tournaments mean shit. Texas has not won a conference title under Terry.

This is not a knock on Terry. Just a statement of fact and an indictment of OrangeBlood's propaganda.

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1 hour ago, MotownHorn said:

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This is all so stupid. This is nothing more than trying to hard and cherry picking bullshit timelines.  It is very aggy like to be honest(we are even with Texas since we started allowing women BS)

Terry has had a good season.  Texas should expect to make the tournament and win at least one game.   Until we are consistently a top4 seed expecting anything more than that comes down to just being hot or getting fortunate draw(like Smart is getting). 

He wins this it will be a very very good season and hope he can rebuild the roster thru the portal to keep momentum.

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1 hour ago, Braff Zacklin said:

A conference tournament championship is _not_ a conference title. Unless you're on the bubble, conference tournaments mean shit. Texas has not won a conference title under Terry.

This is not a knock on Terry. Just a statement of fact and an indictment of OrangeBlood's propaganda.

exactly.  the conference title should be about the season.  you win the season conf title you are probably a  top 3 seed.  the tournament would help probably one seed even if you win it.

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5 minutes ago, freyguy said:

That's good that yall are really nitpicking the key details here...  🤤

huh, we are just saying that conf tournaments mean shitall except maybe a seed line one way or the other.  doesn't matter who the coach is.

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2 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

A conference tournament championship is _not_ a conference title. Unless you're on the bubble, conference tournaments mean shit. Texas has not won a conference title under Terry.

This is not a knock on Terry. Just a statement of fact and an indictment of OrangeBlood's propaganda.

rick barnes took over a team that started the season 0-11, RT took over the number three team in kenpom. totally apples to apples.

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Counterpoint: Once Barnes had the #1 team in the country in mid-January and then lost 8 of 14 and was 1 and done in the tourney. That was a better team than we had last year.

I dare say that 2010 would have had a better ending if Barnes had given the reigns to RT in mid January and took a sabbatical. He ground that team into the dirt.

We have no way of knowing what would have happened with last year’s team if Beard had remained at the helm. He probably would have done as well or better than RT, but it isn’t a guarantee.

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What we do know is that getting a cat's whisper from the Final Four was a great performance by the team and the staff, regardless of circumstance.  Quite an outlier for Texas.  Laudable, even.  It doesn't mean anybody thought RT could have built that team and taken it to the Elite Eight as head coach from the jump.

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2 minutes ago, HookEm said:

He probably would have done as well or better than RT, but it isn’t a guarantee.

This is what's so insane about this entire thing to me. People act like Beard with that squad was a lock to make the title game. Beard loses our 2nd tourney game with those guys for all we know. 

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Before Beard got fired for choking his girlfriend in mid-December we played some absolute dogshit teams (Arkansas Pine-Bluff, Rice, UTRGV, Northern Arizona, Houston Christian, UTEP). He went 2-1 against teams with a pulse (win against Gonzaga and Creighton and loss against Illinois).
 

That Texas was some sure shot top 5 team at that point is the height of being disingenuous. 

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10 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Lol. If you make the sweet 16 you had nothing short of a great season. 

LoL. a great season is what happened last season.  Just because Shaka Smart was a fucking disaster doesn't mean you have to adjust what a great season is.

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17 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Counterpoint: Once Barnes had the #1 team in the country in mid-January and then lost 8 of 14 and was 1 and done in the tourney. That was a better team than we had last year.

I dare say that 2010 would have had a better ending if Barnes had given the reigns to RT in mid January and took a sabbatical. He ground that team into the dirt.

We have no way of knowing what would have happened with last year’s team if Beard had remained at the helm. He probably would have done as well or better than RT, but it isn’t a guarantee.

what does any of this have to do with the first two years of each HC’s tenure?

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It is so poetic that the game tonight is against Barnes.  Tennessee has a much better team. They are ranked ahead of us in just about every single stat. If UT pulls this out, it is going to be funny AF.

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15 minutes ago, ztejas said:

This is what's so insane about this entire thing to me. People act like Beard with that squad was a lock to make the title game. Beard loses our 2nd tourney game with those guys for all we know. 

beard has the sixth best tourney win% of all time and his team was statistically and empirically better under him than it was under RT. i mean for all we know RT is about to lead us to the championship, but that’s not what history says is going to happen.

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18 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Before Beard got fired for choking his girlfriend in mid-December we played some absolute dogshit teams (Arkansas Pine-Bluff, Rice, UTRGV, Northern Arizona, Houston Christian, UTEP). He went 2-1 against teams with a pulse (win against Gonzaga and Creighton and loss against Illinois).
 

That Texas was some sure shot top 5 team at that point is the height of being disingenuous. 

we were no.3 in kenpom with no.1 defense in the country when beard got fired. the same beard who won 30 games in one year at UALR, then went to the elite 8 and national title game in years 2 and 3 at tech, and then won Texas’s first tourney game since 2014 in his first year at Texas. also the eyeball test on that team passed with flying colors, it was the most suffocating defense in Texas history. anyone with a clue could see how good that team was. i would refer to your post as disingenuous but it’s really more just stupid and uninformed.

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2 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

what does any of this have to do with the first two years of each HC’s tenure?

I was responding to the fact that RT took over the #3 KenPom team and simply illustrating that it doesn't mean that team was guaranteed to make the Final Four. 

Obviously RT inherited a better team than Barnes did.  But did he inherit a better situation?  The team was in disarray for a month after Beard's arrest.  The wheels could have easily fallen off.  Rice... freaking RICE took us to OT the day it all went down.  I give RT a ton of credit for righting the ship.  

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9 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

beard has the sixth best tourney win% of all time

Pretty small sample size buoyed by one very deep run. 

We all thought Shaka was the guy, too. 

8 minutes ago, shadow_operative said:

we were no.3 in kenpom with no.1 defense in the country when beard got fired. the same beard who won 30 games in one year at UALR, then went to the elite 8 and national title game in years 2 and 3 at tech, and then won Texas’s first tourney game since 2014 in his first year at Texas. also the eyeball test on that team passed with flying colors, it was the most suffocating defense in Texas history. anyone with a clue could see how good that team was. i would refer to your post as disingenuous but it’s really more just stupid and uninformed.

You're also acting like Terry wasn't on that staff.

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29 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

LoL. a great season is what happened last season.  Just because Shaka Smart was a fucking disaster doesn't mean you have to adjust what a great season is.

We’ve made the sweet 16 eleven times, ever. Including pre-tourney expansion. For Texas, making the sweet 16 is a massive accomplishment. Go cry about it.

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47 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

LoL. a great season is what happened last season.  Just because Shaka Smart was a fucking disaster doesn't mean you have to adjust what a great season is.

A sweet 16 is a great season for Texas Men's Basketball. That was true before Shaka.

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