2024 Poker : GTO or GTFO

[blacklab 11885]

How many people calling other than you?

If it's heads up probably less than 25% of the time. 

1 or more other people calling?

probably 75% of the time

[TXSooner518 2432]

If I fold, would have been quartered 0% of the time. If I call, 100%. 

[CBT 1281]

50/50 obv. It either happens or it don't.

[Blotto 23462]

On 8/3/2024 at 10:17 AM, AUS-97HORN said:

Ceasar's sold the WSOP to GG Poker

 

and for only $500M   that seems very cheap for that brand

well, since nobody can watch the fucking thing due to their idiotic PokerGo decision, it doesn't surprise me. Does the "franchise"  make much money off of the event  outside of whatever PokerGo paid for the rights? They have to pay a fuckload of dealers

[CBT 1281]

I may be in the minority, but the PokerGo subscription is worth the money. If anything, for HSP. The WSOP coverage was fantastic also. Really enjoyed the commentators, especially Nick Shulman. 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1731]

Anyone hear anything about shuffle 512 getting robbed? Supposedly the guard got knocked out and the cage got hit.

[deech 2251]

3 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

Anyone hear anything about shuffle 512 getting robbed? Supposedly the guard got knocked out and the cage got hit.

Looks like it based on thread.  Someone posted about it getting robbed for a second time about four or five nights ago

 

[blacklab 11885]

can’t stop thinking of this

 

[blacklab 11885]

Now with glasses

[blacklab 11885]

Rules question

tournament blinds 30k-60k

folds to blinds, small blind goes all in for $44k, big blind says “fold”

what do you do?

[Lurch 5921]

Tell the dealer not to let the cards muck, but don’t touch them myself. I absolutely have the right to defend the game. This is not one of those “shut up if you’re not in the hand” situations

Dealer/floor should flip his cards up and run it out.

[Brian Fantana 6672]

Uh.....

[Brian Fantana 6672]

Forgot to add a little context. If you're wondering why that other player scooped the pot, this is PLO8, I folded preflop to a bunch of raising.

[blacklab 11885]

I was wondering why there are two 3 of clubs

[AUS-97HORN 11726]

if thats real, why the fuck arent you posting on 2+2 with the exact hand number.

[Brian Fantana 6672]

18 hours ago, blacklab said:

I was wondering why there are two 3 of clubs

 

17 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

if thats real, why the fuck arent you posting on 2+2 with the exact hand number.

I don't have an account over there, always just lurked. I did @ ACR on Twitter and emailed their support.

[Brian Fantana 6672]

Dug up the hand history on my hard drive, emphasized the important parts. 3c clearly dealt to me preflop and also on the river, so I guess that means it probably wasn't a UI bug. No word yet from ACR support. If any of you wants to post it on 2p2 if you have an account, feel free.

Spoiler

Game Hand #2214813810 - Tournament #32554436 - Omaha H/L Reshuffle (Pot Limit) - Level 14 (5000.00/10000.00)- 2024/08/20 21:48:04 UTC
Table '8' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: WIJA (78974.00)
Seat 2: TheVioletMystery (177939.00)
Seat 3: Chief talking bull (75503.00)
Seat 4: Subcide (225495.00)
Seat 5: MoreDeadMoney (35377.00)
Seat 6: Huckingfot (18594.00)
Seat 7: Enervate (64888.00)
Seat 8: 1dayatatime (159426.00)
Seat 9: lycan_luna39 (63804.00)
WIJA posts ante 500.00
TheVioletMystery posts ante 500.00
Chief talking bull posts ante 500.00
Subcide posts ante 500.00
MoreDeadMoney posts ante 500.00
Huckingfot posts ante 500.00
Enervate posts ante 500.00
1dayatatime posts ante 500.00
lycan_luna39 posts ante 500.00
Enervate posts the small blind 5000.00
1dayatatime posts the big blind 10000.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 4500.00
lycan_luna39 folds
WIJA raises 20000.00 to 20000.00
TheVioletMystery folds
Chief talking bull folds
Subcide calls 20000.00
MoreDeadMoney folds
Huckingfot folds
Dealt to Enervate [Kh Ks 3c 3d]
Enervate folds
1dayatatime calls 10000.00
*** FLOP *** [2d 8d 3h]
Main pot 69500.00
1dayatatime checks
WIJA bets 58474.00 and is all-in
Subcide raises 116948.00 to 116948.00
1dayatatime folds
Uncalled bet (58474.00) returned to Subcide
*** TURN *** [2d 8d 3h] [2s]
Main pot 186448.00
*** RIVER *** [2d 8d 3h 2s] [3c]
Main pot 186448.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Main pot 186448.00
WIJA shows [9h 5s Qs Qh] (HI - two pair, Queens and Threes [Qs Qh 3h 3c 8d])
Subcide shows [6h Ah 3s 4d] (HI - three of a kind, Set of Threes [3s 3h 3c Ah 8d] | LO - [8,4,3,2,1])
Subcide collected 186448.00 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 186448.00
Board [2d 8d 3h 2s 3c]
Seat 1: WIJA showed [9h 5s Qs Qh] and lost with HI - two pair, Queens and Threes [Qs Qh 3h 3c 8d]
Seat 2: TheVioletMystery folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet
Seat 3: Chief talking bull folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet
Seat 4: Subcide showed [6h Ah 3s 4d] and won 186448.00 with HI - three of a kind, Set of Threes [3s 3h 3c Ah 8d] | LO - [8,4,3,2,1]
Seat 5: MoreDeadMoney folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet
Seat 6: Huckingfot (button) folded on the Pre-Flop
Seat 7: Enervate (small blind) folded on the Pre-Flop
Seat 8: 1dayatatime (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: lycan_luna39 folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet

 

 

[Brian Fantana 6672]

Oh shit nevermind, this isn't a bug. I didn't realize it was a reshuffle tournament.

[Lurch 5921]

I didn’t know that was even a thing! I guess it reduces collusion

[TXSooner518 2432]

On 8/20/2024 at 5:20 AM, Lurch said:

Tell the dealer not to let the cards muck, but don’t touch them myself. I absolutely have the right to defend the game. This is not one of those “shut up if you’re not in the hand” situations

Dealer/floor should flip his cards up and run it out.

100% this. BB can't fold, and every all-in hand must be tabled in a tournament. 

[blacklab 11885]

BB kept his cards in his hand, dealer called floor, floor ruled oral action is binding and folded his hand and gave $44k from his stack to small blind.

I told floor action was over, doesn't matter what he said. Floor disagreed.

I asked if I got all in preflop with a buddy and cards are all face up can I fold after the flop once I see I'm going to beat him?
He said no, I asked how is this different and he didn't have an answer. 

We had 14 people left, 12 got paid and 99% of the time when it gets to 13 in this tournament we agree to pay 13 something.

The other short stack at the table was livid about the ruling.

[Lurch 5921]

Yeah that Floor fucked up. No way that was proper decision. They’re confused by the verbal-is-binding rule, but it’s not applicable here when the BB has no options so verbal is irrelevant.

[MagicSoccerSpray 1731]

$10 annual membership this Wednesday at Texas card house social in Austin for grand opening. 500 high hands every 15 minutes for a bit and other promos and tourneys for the new place. Free food tasting too.

 

$1 annual memberships today and tomorrow at Austin social lounge (old Austin poker house and 52) and no seat fee. Free food too.

[BillyGoatHill 4312]

On 8/24/2024 at 8:45 PM, MagicSoccerSpray said:

$10 annual membership this Wednesday at Texas card house social in Austin for grand opening. 500 high hands every 15 minutes for a bit and other promos and tourneys for the new place. Free food tasting too.

 

 

Just adding on to the above...👆  

https://events.texascardhouse.com/tch-social-austin-grand-opening#newsletter

[TXSooner518 2432]

On 8/24/2024 at 4:48 PM, blacklab said:

BB kept his cards in his hand, dealer called floor, floor ruled oral action is binding and folded his hand and gave $44k from his stack to small blind.

I told floor action was over, doesn't matter what he said. Floor disagreed.

I asked if I got all in preflop with a buddy and cards are all face up can I fold after the flop once I see I'm going to beat him?
He said no, I asked how is this different and he didn't have an answer. 

We had 14 people left, 12 got paid and 99% of the time when it gets to 13 in this tournament we agree to pay 13 something.

The other short stack at the table was livid about the ruling.

JFC this is tilting to read. WHAT ACTION DID HE FOLD TO?

[blacklab 11885]

Asked the floor last night how he'd rule in that situation and he immediately said, action is over, he can't fold.

Pointed to the floor guy from last week and told him you might want to tell him that.

A little while later I heard them discussing it. 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1731]

On 8/24/2024 at 4:48 PM, blacklab said:

BB kept his cards in his hand, dealer called floor, floor ruled oral action is binding and folded his hand and gave $44k from his stack to small blind.

I told floor action was over, doesn't matter what he said. Floor disagreed.

I asked if I got all in preflop with a buddy and cards are all face up can I fold after the flop once I see I'm going to beat him?
He said no, I asked how is this different and he didn't have an answer. 

We had 14 people left, 12 got paid and 99% of the time when it gets to 13 in this tournament we agree to pay 13 something.

The other short stack at the table was livid about the ruling.

 

6 hours ago, blacklab said:

Asked the floor last night how he'd rule in that situation and he immediately said, action is over, he can't fold.

Pointed to the floor guy from last week and told him you might want to tell him that.

A little while later I heard them discussing it. 

 

Where was this at? Thanks

[blacklab 11885]

Lodge, Monday night big o tournament

[TXSooner518 2432]

6 hours ago, blacklab said:

Lodge, Monday night big o tournament

Wow, they are usually better than this IME. Curious which floor made the initial ruling.

[blacklab 11885]

Heading up north for a football game and decided to stop by the new tch to buy an annual membership. 
no empty spaces in the parking lot and a line outside with at least 100 people in it

[Blotto 23462]

It's nuts. It's an hour once you get inside. I've been here for 2 hours and am still 30 mins out. I guess $10 annual membership and the match on hours purchased brought out every poker player in Austin sick of driving up to the lodge. 

If I would have known how f'n long this was gonna take, I'd probably have come around 11 PM, but I'm committed now. 

Also, they aren't limiting the time match to the first 300 members as it says on the website. Anyone that wants can take advantage (presumably until midnight) they did a good job with the build out. 

Edited August 28 by Blotto

[blacklab 11885]

Can you just go inside and pay for the annual/buy hours or do you have to wait in line to do so?

[Blotto 23462]

Gotta wait. 

[blacklab 11885]

Went by again just now, still 100+ people outside in line

[Blotto 23462]

1 hour ago, blacklab said:

Went by again just now, still 100+ people outside in line

good lord they must have raked in some cash today. Obviously they will be losing a decent chunk of revenue later, but if they wanted to generate some interest in the new location, mission accomplished. The liquor revenue from the bar will likely help offset that somewhat. 

[Bookman 4625]

On 8/27/2024 at 9:59 AM, TXSooner518 said:

JFC this is tilting to read. WHAT ACTION DID HE FOLD TO?

He folded to the opponent's call! Duh!

[MagicSoccerSpray 1731]

13 hours ago, Blotto said:

good lord they must have raked in some cash today. Obviously they will be losing a decent chunk of revenue later, but if they wanted to generate some interest in the new location, mission accomplished. The liquor revenue from the bar will likely help offset that somewhat. 

 

It was wild and packed. Waited about 3 hour to get in. They did extend the hours deal to all I believe. They had a problem with their POS terminal and just started giving away food to anyone that had waited hours to get their order. They did have drink/HH specials. I think Mixed drinks were $5 but I know some folks got theirs comped. Domestic Drafts were a dollar and they started just charging a dollar for everything. I only paid a buck for Guinness. Place was absolutely packed, it will be interesting to see how this new place plays out. Lots of folks I know bout a ton of discounted time, so I'm sure there will be plenty of players for a while.

Edited August 29 by MagicSoccerSpray

[BillyGoatHill 4312]

1 hour ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

It was wild and packed. Waited about 3 hour to get in. They did extend the hours deal to all I believe. They had a problem with their POS terminal and just started giving away food to anyone that had waited hours to get their order. They did have drink/HH specials. I think Mixed drinks were $5 but I know some folks got theirs comped. Domestic Drafts were a dollar and they started just charging a dollar for everything. I only paid a buck for Guinness. Place was absolutely packed, it will be interesting to see how this new place plays out. Lots of folks I know bout a ton of discounted time, so I'm sure there will be plenty of players for a while.

Concur with all of this...first thing I saw upon getting into the parking was those fucktard Austin parking enforcement assholes. so I knew to make sure I parked properly. They ticketed a lot of cars that had parked on the grass berm or behind the strip mall as every parking space and more was taken. Whether you got there at 6 /7 am or later in the day, you had to wait 3 hrs to get in. I got there around 220-230 pm and didn't get to check in until around 520p. Played cards well past midnight and the end of the line getting in the door was around 1am. It wasn't just ATX players as there were plenty that I talked with that came from Dallas as they were told the yearly would work at their rooms in Dallas also. That was third party so not sure about that.

Food was definitely a mess. Two guys at my table had waited over two hrs for their food and finally got some after calling the head floor and manager from the kitchen. Some of the servers were not great either. They missed our table, number one right in front plenty of times. I landed up walking across the street and getting some food from one of the businesses by the old room as that was much faster getting food that way.. No doubt the kinks will get worked out. Cool room though with a good layout and bar. Getting the matching $500 in hrs and the yearly for $10 to me was worth the wait. That and a + session.

[TXSooner518 2432]

Yeah I needed a tire replaced and went to the Discount Tire nearby so I could swing in and get the $10 annual membership, but noped out after the parking lot/line. Too bad you couldn't sign up online, they would have gotten a decent amount of business from me if so, but now none. 

[Bookman 4625]

NLH tournament, three players left, and I fold the button (5-9 offsuit) with literally TWO big blinds. SB and BB each have about 15 big blinds, and they go at each other and one busts the other. Thanks for the pay jump!

[blacklab 11885]

In tonight's version of "Is blacklab the asshole here?"

There's this old lady that plays in the big o tournament on Monday nights, I've probably talked about her before here. She's mean, angry and a raging bitch to everyone. Everyone hates her and high fives when she's knocked out.

Last night she was on a roll. Got the clock called on her and went on a tirade on a hand that should have been an instafold. She lost track of her water bottle and accused the cleaning crew of stealing it.

Get to the final table and she's got about 2 big blinds. After a lap two people have been knocked out and everyone is asking about an ICM chop. She has less than 1 big blind at this point and is two hands away from being the big blind. I say "no chop",  the guys next to me give me the come on, it's almost 2am. I tell them she has one big blind lets play 2 more hands and then I'll chop.

She goes apeshit, "that asshole wants to wait to chop till I'm out. Bet he changes his tune if I triple up". Floor tells her to settle down. I just bit my tongue. Multiple times she's been the one holdout on chopping near the end of the tournament. She gets all in on her big blind and is knocked out. She hadn't even stood up and I ask everyone if they'd like to ICM chop. She was absolutely steaming. 

 

[Lurch 5921]

Absolutely the optimal play. Talk about it as loudly as possible

[AUS-97HORN 11726]

4 hours ago, Lurch said:

Absolutely the optimal play. Talk about it as loudly as possible

and make sure to bring it up every single week that you are playing on the same final table as her.

 

[AUS-97HORN 11726]

also you should have told everyone else who chopped that they all owed you $10 extra because you saved them all from having to pay her out. 

[BillyGoatHill 4312]

BL, you are definitely the asshole !🤣

I am almost certain I know the gal (bitch) you are talking about.

She without a doubt deserved what you did. Just wish I was there to see her implode over it. 

[AUS-97HORN 11726]

TCH is absolutely murdering Red Star right now.   

I played at Red Star on Monday starting at noon, never a full table, 6-8 handed. played 2 hours and when I left it was 4 handed. 

Wed night, till 10a the table never had more than 1 person waiting to play.

last night, the game broke as soon as the KC Balt game ended.

played today got to Red Star at 430, its 1 table that when I take my seat is now full.  play for 3 hours, we get a few players come in, but more leave than come in.

we ended up 3 handed at 745 and it broke almost immediately after. 

maybe it starts back up after the Philly GB game, but fuck normally on Fri night its 2 tables, with a 3rd  2/5 /match stack until 8 or so, then usually a 3rd normal game starts until 11ish. 

 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1731]

23 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

TCH is absolutely murdering Red Star right now.   

I played at Red Star on Monday starting at noon, never a full table, 6-8 handed. played 2 hours and when I left it was 4 handed. 

Wed night, till 10a the table never had more than 1 person waiting to play.

last night, the game broke as soon as the KC Balt game ended.

played today got to Red Star at 430, its 1 table that when I take my seat is now full.  play for 3 hours, we get a few players come in, but more leave than come in.

we ended up 3 handed at 745 and it broke almost immediately after. 

maybe it starts back up after the Philly GB game, but fuck normally on Fri night its 2 tables, with a 3rd  2/5 /match stack until 8 or so, then usually a 3rd normal game starts until 11ish. 

 

 

The Lodge is getting hit as well. When I check, their table count is down as much as 50% from usual. In reply, they're doing a bunch of promos for the week of Sept 18th-22nd, including 50% off time, a true 100k free roll, a meet-up game, $500 lucky seats, and a $10 annual member ship. The half-off time and membership are for the 18th only. Here's the info:

 

https://thelodgepokerclub.com/austin/100000-freeroll-weekend/

 

Competition is great for everyone!

[Blotto 23462]

Just checked the table count at the Lodge and TCH. Lodge is running 9 NLH and 1 PLO. TCH is running 13 NLH and 5 PLO plus a BigO and ROE. Doesnt really matter what the lodge does to match,  there are apparently a lot of Austin residents that would prefer not to drive  up to  RR.

[AUS-97HORN 11726]

12 hours ago, Blotto said:

Just checked the table count at the Lodge and TCH. Lodge is running 9 NLH and 1 PLO. TCH is running 13 NLH and 5 PLO plus a BigO and ROE. Doesnt really matter what the lodge does to match,  there are apparently a lot of Austin residents that would prefer not to drive  up to  RR.

eeeehhhh

there were also a fuckton of austin residents who bought 60-100ish hours of play at TCH for $300-$500 less than 2 weeks ago.  

thats a lot of folks whose  1-2 times a week for 5 hour sessions, that still have a shitload of hours to play there. 

 

we will know more in about 3 weeks or so once most of those cheap hours are burned off. 

 

but if this keeps up for more than a month, I think it will probably end up actually killing Red Star. 

[Brian Fantana 6672]

On 9/3/2024 at 11:24 AM, blacklab said:

In tonight's version of "Is blacklab the asshole here?"

There's this old lady that plays in the big o tournament on Monday nights, I've probably talked about her before here. She's mean, angry and a raging bitch to everyone. Everyone hates her and high fives when she's knocked out.

Last night she was on a roll. Got the clock called on her and went on a tirade on a hand that should have been an instafold. She lost track of her water bottle and accused the cleaning crew of stealing it.

Get to the final table and she's got about 2 big blinds. After a lap two people have been knocked out and everyone is asking about an ICM chop. She has less than 1 big blind at this point and is two hands away from being the big blind. I say "no chop",  the guys next to me give me the come on, it's almost 2am. I tell them she has one big blind lets play 2 more hands and then I'll chop.

She goes apeshit, "that asshole wants to wait to chop till I'm out. Bet he changes his tune if I triple up". Floor tells her to settle down. I just bit my tongue. Multiple times she's been the one holdout on chopping near the end of the tournament. She gets all in on her big blind and is knocked out. She hadn't even stood up and I ask everyone if they'd like to ICM chop. She was absolutely steaming. 

 

That fucking rules. There's no better feeling than needling a piece of shit poker player. NTA