2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Goredho 17399]

What I don't think people fully appreciate is that while yeah, there are some dumb fucking voters out there, there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these, and they have kind of given up all pretenses if they trust you.  They think the federal government is fatally flawed and needs to be broken and rebuilt no matter the cost.  They know completely well that Trump has some horrific traits competing for dominance -- narcissism, sociopathy, stupidity and criminality.  They do not care.  They view his hatchet-man governance as the opportunity to remake the federal government to be something from before the New Deal and all the progressive measures enacted in the last half of the 20th century (civil rights, gay marriage, etc...).

That is their vision of a better America.  And they don't sport swastikas tattoos or shaved heads.  They are directors or VPs at companies whose names you would recognize in Austin, Dallas and Denver.  They are some of the parents of the kids that your kids are friends with.  You've sat next to them at little league games, maybe even laughed together at a (non-political) joke among the circle of dad's at the neighbor kid's birthday party.

[Ghost of LL 15531]

10 minutes ago, Goredho said:

What I don't think people fully appreciate is that while yeah, there are some dumb fucking voters out there, there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these, and they have kind of given up all pretenses if they trust you.  They think the federal government is fatally flawed and needs to be broken and rebuilt no matter the cost.  They know completely well that Trump has some horrific traits competing for dominance -- narcissism, sociopathy, stupidity and criminality.  They do not care.  They view his hatchet-man governance as the opportunity to remake the federal government to be something from before the New Deal and all the progressive measures enacted in the last half of the 20th century (civil rights, gay marriage, etc...).

That is their vision of a better America.  And they don't sport swastikas tattoos or shaved heads.  They are directors or VPs at companies whose names you would recognize in Austin, Dallas and Denver.  They are some of the parents of the kids that your kids are friends with.  You've sat next to them at little league games, maybe even laughed together at a (non-political) joke among the circle of dad's at the neighbor kid's birthday party.

This is 100% true.

But the real irony is that they're winners in the present order of things.  Tear down the federal government, and they're likely not to be in nearly as good shape as they are today.  They'll be poorer, less safe, and less healthy.  But they don't get that at all.

An amazing paradox of Americans today is that they all think they're in the top 10% of income earners or wealth (if not the top 1%), but they all feel aggrieved by the "system."  It's just a really weird dynamic that has developed over the past twenty years.

[4th&Five 41525]

They’re just saying those are the reasons. They probably just love the cruelty and racism. 

[Satchel 6938]

10 minutes ago, Goredho said:

What I don't think people fully appreciate is that while yeah, there are some dumb fucking voters out there, there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these, and they have kind of given up all pretenses if they trust you.  They think the federal government is fatally flawed and needs to be broken and rebuilt no matter the cost.  They know completely well that Trump has some horrific traits competing for dominance -- narcissism, sociopathy, stupidity and criminality.  They do not care.  They view his hatchet-man governance as the opportunity to remake the federal government to be something from before the New Deal and all the progressive measures enacted in the last half of the 20th century (civil rights, gay marriage, etc...).

That is their vision of a better America.  And they don't sport swastikas tattoos or shaved heads.  They are directors or VPs at companies whose names you would recognize in Austin, Dallas and Denver.  They are some of the parents of the kids that your kids are friends with.  You've sat next to them at little league games, maybe even laughed together at a (non-political) joke among the circle of dad's at the neighbor kid's birthday party.

From Merriam Webster:

Dumb: lacking intelligence : STUPID

Intelligence: the skilled use of reason

The people you describe manifest a deficit in the skilled use of reason and could reasonably be described as dumb.

[Brisketexan 105095]

Just now, Satchel said:

From Merriam Webster:

Dumb: lacking intelligence : STUPID

Intelligence: the skilled use of reason

The people you describe manifest a deficit in the skilled use of reason and could reasonably be described as dumb.

Correct.

They think that what happened to people exactly like them, who facilitated the exact same shit in the quest for personal power, in Germany nearly a century ago.......won't happen to them.

Leopards eating the faces of fucking idiots.  I hate them.  I hate the milquetoast enablers the most, because they actually KNOW THIS SHIT IS WRONG, but they're willing to go along with it for some incremental gain of power/money/vengeance on people who they hate for no fucking good reason at all.  It's so fucking stupid.  So yes, they are dumb.  Very, very dumb.

Maybe they are "smart" when it comes to one thing or another, but they're really fucking dumb when it comes to this.  I don't care if you're the most brilliant heart surgeon the world has ever seen, if you think that makes you qualified to fly a jet with an engine flamed out, you're fucking dumb.  And you're going to crash and burn.  These fucking idiots have mistaken the fact that they've figured out how to do X means they are super-smart when it comes to being fucking nazis.  But....in the end, they're just fucking nazis.  And they're going to take all of us down with them.

[The Dog 44020]

 

[David Dennison 18854]

Is it really news that Americans are largely ignorant and stupid?

[Surly Bevo 24908]

What's astounding is that it has never been easier to get information.  

The simple fact is that for greedy and sometimes downright evil people Americans by virtue of the phone in their pocket should be more connected and educated to the state of all of those things mentioned in that poll than ever before in history.....alas propagandists going to propaganda.  

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Is it really news that Americans are largely ignorant and stupid?

Depends on the news.  Is it news or "News©"?

[Stringer 1438]

What I don't think people fully appreciate is that while yeah, there are some dumb fucking voters out there, there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these, and they have kind of given up all pretenses if they trust you.  They think the federal government is fatally flawed and needs to be broken and rebuilt no matter the cost.  They know completely well that Trump has some horrific traits competing for dominance -- narcissism, sociopathy, stupidity and criminality.  They do not care.  They view his hatchet-man governance as the opportunity to remake the federal government to be something from before the New Deal and all the progressive measures enacted in the last half of the 20th century (civil rights, gay marriage, etc...).
That is their vision of a better America.  And they don't sport swastikas tattoos or shaved heads.  They are directors or VPs at companies whose names you would recognize in Austin, Dallas and Denver.  They are some of the parents of the kids that your kids are friends with.  You've sat next to them at little league games, maybe even laughed together at a (non-political) joke among the circle of dad's at the neighbor kid's birthday party.

So, if he’s the one to break and rebuild the federal government, why didn’t he just do that last time?

[Red Five 40852]

 

Well, this explains a few things.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Just now, Stringer said:

So, if he’s the one to break and rebuild the federal government, why didn’t he just do that last time?

[Biff Tannen 45673]

29 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

It's just a really weird dynamic that has developed over the past twenty years.

20+ years of Fox News telling them every day they should be aggrieved.  Propaganda works.

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

14 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

What's astounding is that it has never been easier to get information.  

The simple fact is that for greedy and sometimes downright evil people Americans by virtue of the phone in their pocket should be more connected and educated to the state of all of those things mentioned in that poll than ever before in history.....alas propagandists going to propaganda.  

Same device for both, one of which comes at a much higher volume than the other by necessity and design. 

[Brisketexan 105095]

5 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

The cause of death of the Republic will be "suicide by abject stupidity."  Time of death will be the morning of November 6, 2024, once they confirm the vote counts.

[Rimbo 25919]

56 minutes ago, Goredho said:

And they don't sport swastikas tattoos or shaved heads.

Neither did Goebbels. Nazi is how you act, not a fashion choice.

[The Dog 44020]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The cause of death of the Republic will be "suicide by abject stupidity."  Time of death will be the morning of November 6, 2024, once they confirm the vote counts.

Brainwashing isn't stupidity.

[Brisketexan 105095]

Just now, The Dog said:

Brainwashing isn't stupidity.

Allowing yourself to be brainwashed is.

[Slacks 6819]

On 5/19/2024 at 11:48 PM, TDunk said:

Tik tok seems to play more favorable trump shit for "some" reason. Social media is awesome and sucks. 

Look at this site. That's why.

[The Dog 44020]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Allowing yourself to be brainwashed is.

How so?

Goods cost more and incomes haven't kept up.

Layoffs headline every business section.

Interest rates are higher than they were four years ago.

Homes are expensive and in short supply.

Those are the headlines. Why shouldn’t people believe the economy is bad, even though it’s erroneous?

[Slacks 6819]

On 5/20/2024 at 10:19 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It's always fair to say that you are unhappy with the results of someone that you previously gave your vote but it's something else to throw the vote to the other candidate based on that disappointment. 

 

On another note, the S&P 500 is up 58% from the last election date. Anyone with money in the stock market is a fool to not continue with Biden. Why rock the boat.

NVDA is on fire. Thanks, White Obama.

[David Dennison 18854]

10 minutes ago, The Dog said:

How so?

Goods cost more and incomes haven't kept up.

Layoffs headline every business section.

Interest rates are higher than they were four years ago.

Homes are expensive and in short supply.

Those are the headlines. Why shouldn’t people believe the economy is bad, even though it’s erroneous?

It would help tremendously if the liberal media would stop with the erroneous headlines.

[atomheartbevo 89648]

1 hour ago, Goredho said:

there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these, and they have kind of given up all pretenses if they trust you.  They think the federal government is fatally flawed and needs to be broken and rebuilt no matter the cost.

No, those voters you are talking about are fucking stupid. As mentioned, Trump had his chance to do that and didn’t.

It’s like the Qanon idiots that actually believed Trump was going to lock up Hillary. He had four years to try something, but those morons didn’t understand that Hillary was useless behind bars, and that Trump was never going to try and even attempt to do anything about her.

[TexEx15 17509]

1 hour ago, Surly Bevo said:

What's astounding is that it has never been easier to get information.

It’s also never been easier to get misinformation that supports your preconceived beliefs.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2830]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Nazi is how you act, not a fashion choice.

But still, nice fashion.

[chainsaw 9865]

It's not (just) a brain/stupidity thing.

It's a heart and inhumanity thing.

They weren't just "brainwashed." They were conditioned to become evil. Indifferent to the wellbeing of others.

It's not a shortcoming that intellect alone could solve.

[Rimbo 25919]

29 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

It's not (just) a brain/stupidity thing.

It's a heart and inhumanity thing.

They weren't just "brainwashed." They were conditioned to become evil. Indifferent to the wellbeing of others.

It's not a shortcoming that intellect alone could solve.

 

[Satchel 6938]

3 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Some surly poster called this months ago.

[Neonmoon 38129]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

How so?

Goods cost more and incomes haven't kept up.

Layoffs headline every business section.

Interest rates are higher than they were four years ago.

Homes are expensive and in short supply.

Those are the headlines. Why shouldn’t people believe the economy is bad, even though it’s erroneous?

Why shouldn’t people use their brains instead of believing clickbait headlines? That’s your question?

 

[hobbes2702 13032]

2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Some surly poster called this months ago.

You mean every surly poster called this months ago because this is always what was going to happen. Kiss the ring or die.

[SaucyJack 3488]

4 hours ago, Goredho said:

What I don't think people fully appreciate is that while yeah, there are some dumb fucking voters out there, there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these, and they have kind of given up all pretenses if they trust you.  They think the federal government is fatally flawed and needs to be broken and rebuilt no matter the cost.  They know completely well that Trump has some horrific traits competing for dominance -- narcissism, sociopathy, stupidity and criminality.  They do not care.  They view his hatchet-man governance as the opportunity to remake the federal government to be something from before the New Deal and all the progressive measures enacted in the last half of the 20th century (civil rights, gay marriage, etc...).IThat is their vision of a better America.  And they don't sport swastikas tattoos or shaved heads.  They are directors or VPs at companies whose names you would recognize in Austin, Dallas and Denver.  They are some of the parents of the kids that your kids are friends with.  You've sat next to them at little league games, maybe even laughed together at a (non-political) joke among the circle of dad's at the neighbor kid's birthday party.

 

I used to run with some of these folks and higher (not so much these days as I'm semi-retired).  At the end of the day it's mostly about how much they pay in income tax...oh, and regulations!

[The Dog 44020]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Why shouldn’t people use their brains instead of believing clickbait headlines? That’s your question?

 

Because most people don't read beyond the headlines?

Remember how stupid the average person is and that half of everyone is dumber than that.

They are being manipulated.

[Rimbo 25919]

[BevoAbyss 2058]

12 hours ago, Goredho said:

there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these,

Guess what. You know some fascists.

They don't give a shit about the millions American women, people of color, LGBTQIA, educators, medical workers harmed by the cruelty, violence, and wholesale destruction of MAGA policies. That's why they are not good people. 

And I don't give a crap who they are ... or what companies they work for ... or what their spoiled ass kids do ... or what lame ass McMansion neighborhood they inhabit. 

They are just as narcissistic and sociopathic as Trump, only under the table.

All they care about is protecting and justifying their little slice of White Corporate Capitalist Heaven ...  And if fascism is the way to do it, they will do it. Hell, they are doing it. 

But, please continue to chum and laugh with the "circle of dads" fascists at the golf course and little league game. 

Edited May 23 by BevoAbyss

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

1 hour ago, BevoAbyss said:

Guess what. You know some fascists.

They don't give a shit about the millions American women, people of color, LGBTQIA, educators, medical workers harmed by the cruelty, violence, and wholesale destruction of MAGA policies. That's why they are not good people. 

And I don't give a crap who they are ... or what companies they work for ... or what their spoiled ass kids do ... or what lame ass McMansion neighborhood they inhabit. 

They are just as narcissistic and sociopathic as Trump, only under the table.

All they care about is protecting and justifying their little slice of White Corporate Capitalist Heaven ...  And if fascism is the way to do it, they will do it. Hell, they are doing it. 

But, please continue to chum and laugh with the "circle of dads" fascists at the golf course and little league game. 

I disagree with this.  These people aren’t all Fascists and they all don’t want bad things to happen to the groups you mentioned.  Some are like that but many unfortunately and simply just watch Fox News and believe the country is falling apart because of the Democrats and Biden. Are there racists that vote for Trump?  Yes and they are pieces of shit.  Are there people that vote for Trump that are greedy and just care about their personal possessions and making more money?  Yes and they are pieces of shit, but to lump everyone that votes for Trump in one category is actually incorrect.  There is a large group of Republicans that have a different/incorrect view of the world because Fox News, right wing media, and the Republican politicians push that on them as the truth.

 It has probably always been this way but now it is amped up even more with social media and media in general but it’s quite amazing to see propaganda and lies and how it steers the views of people in this country.

[pacman 7355]

On brand...

 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

On their permanent record?  Alongside all of the tardys?

[Js1 85311]

I don’t think you’re allowed to call them that anymore 

[Underdog 28611]

Your punishment, should you note vote Trump, is receiving a greatest hits album from Lara Trump. 

[mdmost 43001]

17 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

The messaging from the Democrats is beyond awful if this poll is accurate. You have millions of dollars in the bank. Start spending it to shift the message before it is too late. Maybe it doesn't make a bit of difference but do what Republicans do. Flood the fucking zone. 

[Brisketexan 105095]

I disagree with this.  These people aren’t all Fascists and they all don’t want bad things to happen to the groups you mentioned.  Some are like that but many unfortunately and simply just watch Fox News and believe the country is falling apart because of the Democrats and Biden. Are there racists that vote for Trump?  Yes and they are pieces of shit.  Are there people that vote for Trump that are greedy and just care about their personal possessions and making more money?  Yes and they are pieces of shit, but to lump everyone that votes for Trump in one category is actually incorrect.  There is a large group of Republicans that have a different/incorrect view of the world because Fox News, right wing media, and the Republican politicians push that on them as the truth.
 It has probably always been this way but now it is amped up even more with social media and media in general but it’s quite amazing to see propaganda and lies and how it steers the views of people in this country.

Sure. They’re not fascists who want to exterminate minorities and the opposition. They’re just willing to support fascists who want to exterminate minorities and the opposition if it will reduce their taxes by $1.
That’s even more evil. That’s our point. It would be one thing if they wanted to kill my family because they truly believe that we are an existential threat to the American way. It’s even sicker that they’re willing to have us exterminated to save $1.

[Red Five 40852]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The messaging from the Democrats is beyond awful if this poll is accurate. You have millions of dollars in the bank. Start spending it to shift the message before it is too late. Maybe it doesn't make a bit of difference but do what Republicans do. Flood the fucking zone. 

A series of Fact vs Fiction ads would be nice, although who knows if it would accomplish anything. 

[StassneyHorn 6575]

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Spoiler

40%
 

Illegal crossings along the U.S. southern border have dropped by more than 40% this year since soaring to record levels in December.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/immigration-us-mexico-border-migrants-illegal-crossings/

 

 

[Js1 85311]

Oh I see we have talked about about that crappy Harris Poll.

The one that shows the GOP with 50% approval among all voters and 18-24 with 63% approval of the GOP and 47% of blacks approving of the GOP. 

Trump is at 50% approval in that poll (LMAO).  Elon Musk is at 48% (LMFAO).  RFK is at 46% (FUCKING DYING)

Why do you people believe this shit? 

[hookem2010 2624]

4 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I disagree with this.  These people aren’t all Fascists and they all don’t want bad things to happen to the groups you mentioned.  Some are like that but many unfortunately and simply just watch Fox News and believe the country is falling apart because of the Democrats and Biden. Are there racists that vote for Trump?  Yes and they are pieces of shit.  Are there people that vote for Trump that are greedy and just care about their personal possessions and making more money?  Yes and they are pieces of shit, but to lump everyone that votes for Trump in one category is actually incorrect.  There is a large group of Republicans that have a different/incorrect view of the world because Fox News, right wing media, and the Republican politicians push that on them as the truth.

 It has probably always been this way but now it is amped up even more with social media and media in general but it’s quite amazing to see propaganda and lies and how it steers the views of people in this country.

I feel like this is how many of us rationalize friends and family who continue to support Trump. "They're not bad people, they've just been duped!"

My parents are in this group. While I would love to believe they care about more than money and are not that  racist, I can't blame Fox News alone for their beliefs. I can put a good amount of blame on right-wing media, but my parents are smart enough to not be let off the hook so easily 

I still love them and I'm not ready to cut them out of my life, as some people on here like to suggest. But I'm not about to give them a free pass on their shitty beliefs because of brainwashing, and if they bring them up around my family or me, we're going to have problems. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

15 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

I feel like this is how many of us rationalize friends and family who continue to support Trump. "They're not bad people, they've just been duped!"

My parents are in this group. While I would love to believe they care about more than money and are not that  racist, I can't blame Fox News alone for their beliefs. I can put a good amount of blame on right-wing media, but my parents are smart enough to not be let off the hook so easily 

I still love them and I'm not ready to cut them out of my life, as some people on here like to suggest. But I'm not about to give them a free pass on their shitty beliefs because of brainwashing, and if they bring them up around my family or me, we're going to have problems. 

your folks are the that third that sits and watches the minority rule take over with all its cruelty and then wonder, how did we get here?

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

50 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

I feel like this is how many of us rationalize friends and family who continue to support Trump. "They're not bad people, they've just been duped!"

My parents are in this group. While I would love to believe they care about more than money and are not that  racist, I can't blame Fox News alone for their beliefs. I can put a good amount of blame on right-wing media, but my parents are smart enough to not be let off the hook so easily 

I still love them and I'm not ready to cut them out of my life, as some people on here like to suggest. But I'm not about to give them a free pass on their shitty beliefs because of brainwashing, and if they bring them up around my family or me, we're going to have problems. 

This is something I've really grappled with over the last year or two.

I think there's a desire to create simple "good" and "bad" labels for everyone and it's just not that simple.

I have friends who would drop everything at a moment's notice to help me, no questions asked.  They are generous, donate to charities, and are raising what seem to be solid, well-adjusted children.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

My parents would give up their lives in a second for those that they love.  The household we grew up in was full of warmth and love and is the example I am trying to replicate for my family.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

I have brilliant co-workers who are phenomenal at building up a team, always make sure to share credit, and thrive in a culturally diverse work environment.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

Meanwhile, I know plenty of rude, self-centered Biden-voters who couldn't care less about those around them and take no responsibility for their actions.  Just because they pull the same lever as me in November, does that make them "good?"

The closest rationalization I've been able to conclude is that some people are able to treat politics kind of like sports.  There's a team they root for and they'll continue to root for that team, regardless of the players involved.  I obviously don't agree with this and wish they saw what I see, but simply labeling all Trump voters as bad people oversimplifies the issue to a degree that ensures it will never get fixed.

But... on the other hand, how can a "good" person look at Trump and not be immediately repulsed?  Even given what I said in the paragraph above, this still seems unbelievable to me.

I don't have a solution, just a rant from someone who has struggled with this since he realized that the list of people who my wife and I would trust to raise our children if something happened to us is almost exclusively comprised of (likely?) Trump voters.

Edited May 23 by Chuckie Finster

[David Dennison 18854]

13 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This is something I've really grappled with over the last year or two.

I think there's a desire to create simple "good" and "bad" labels for everyone and it's just not that simple.

I have friends who would drop everything at a moment's notice to help me, no questions asked.  They are generous, donate to charities, and are raising what seem to be solid, well-adjusted children.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

My parents would give up their lives in a second for those that they love.  The household we grew up in was full of warmth and love and is the example I am trying to replicate for my family.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

I have brilliant co-workers who are phenomenal at building up a team, always make sure to share credit, and thrive in a culturally diverse work environment.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

Meanwhile, I know plenty of rude, self-centered Biden-voters who couldn't care less about those around them and take no responsibility for their actions.  Just because they pull the same lever as me in November, does that make them "good?"

The closest rationalization I've been able to conclude is that some people are able to treat politics kind of like sports.  There's a team they root for and they'll continue to root for that team, regardless of the players involved.  I obviously don't agree with this and wish they saw what I see, but simply labeling all Trump voters as bad people oversimplifies the issue to a degree that ensures it will never get fixed.

But... on the other hand, how can a "good" person look at Trump and not be immediately repulsed?  Even given what I said in the paragraph above, this still seems unbelievable to me.

I don't have a solution, just a rant from someone who has struggled with this since he realized that the list of people who my wife and I would trust to raise our children if something happened to us is almost exclusively comprised of (likely?) Trump voters.

What if we replace "bad" with "idoit" -  does that work?

[hobbes2702 13032]

There are only three types of Trump voters. You are either ignorant, bigoted, or just plain dumb. Anyone who votes for him fits in one of those buckets. Some fit in more than one, but all fit in at least one.

[SydneyCarton 48076]

42 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This is something I've really grappled with over the last year or two.

I think there's a desire to create simple "good" and "bad" labels for everyone and it's just not that simple.

I have friends who would drop everything at a moment's notice to help me, no questions asked.  They are generous, donate to charities, and are raising what seem to be solid, well-adjusted children.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

My parents would give up their lives in a second for those that they love.  The household we grew up in was full of warmth and love and is the example I am trying to replicate for my family.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

I have brilliant co-workers who are phenomenal at building up a team, always make sure to share credit, and thrive in a culturally diverse work environment.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

Meanwhile, I know plenty of rude, self-centered Biden-voters who couldn't care less about those around them and take no responsibility for their actions.  Just because they pull the same lever as me in November, does that make them "good?"

The closest rationalization I've been able to conclude is that some people are able to treat politics kind of like sports.  There's a team they root for and they'll continue to root for that team, regardless of the players involved.  I obviously don't agree with this and wish they saw what I see, but simply labeling all Trump voters as bad people oversimplifies the issue to a degree that ensures it will never get fixed.

But... on the other hand, how can a "good" person look at Trump and not be immediately repulsed?  Even given what I said in the paragraph above, this still seems unbelievable to me.

I don't have a solution, just a rant from someone who has struggled with this since he realized that the list of people who my wife and I would trust to raise our children if something happened to us is almost exclusively comprised of (likely?) Trump voters.

If you replaced "Trump" with "Hitler" how do you feel about your statements? Honest Question.