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I’m ending the interview. I’m ending the interview because what you’re doing is ridiculous.

Wait, wait—why?

Because I have definitive proof that what you’re saying is not true. And I don’t care. I know what FiveThirtyEight wrote. I live this every day. And so, the point is what you’re saying is wrong. I am on record saying that what FiveThirtyEight has written is incorrect, and I’ve given you definitive proof otherwise. So if you want to keep coming back at this, do it. But this has become one of the most ridiculous interviews that I’ve ever done my entire professional career.

Oh, O.K. Sorry.

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Some great posts above. 

Sometimes it does not take a huge intellectual grasp of history or fascism. Sometimes, common sense and decency will be enough for a person to make a good decision.

Witness my mom, a lifelong Republican. (RIP 2018, my dad passed in 2002).

— Grew up on farm in Central Texas, a very poor family. She and siblings worked the cotton fields, sometimes with migrant labor from south of the border. She knew they were honest, hard-working people, looking for a better life. After high school, she left the farm for a better life in Dallas. Married my dad (UT grad), worked very hard to get an associate's degree, and among several jobs, handled insurance/billing in a doctor’s clinic for 20+ years and saw firsthand the needs for Medicare for aging people, for young women to access reproductive care, assistance for poor people, etc.

— Mom was not an intellectual and had flaws, like all of us, but had a lot of common sense and was often perceptive about people, including some of my UT friends/girlfriends. For example, she was highly disapproving of a male friend from UT, said he was a smug jerk and not to trust him. Turns out he tried to score my girlfriend in Austin when I was out of town. He avoided me for years. Now he’s a Trumper big-time. A full-on fascist.

She always voted R and revered George W. But when Trump appeared on the scene, she said: NO!  

— She emphatically said: "I am not voting for a man who talks about women like he does.”  “He’s vulgar and uncouth, I am not voting for a crook and con man.” Said she would not vote for Biden or the D nominee, but did not vote for Trump in 2016 (Passed in late 2018). 

Just some common sense and decency. That’s all it takes to say no to Trump. 

[ Now don’t get me started on my Oil & Gas brother who is voting for Trump “to save the oil industry in Texas." Grrrrrrrr….. ]

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4 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I have friends who would drop everything at a moment's notice to help me, no questions asked.  They are generous, donate to charities, and are raising what seem to be solid, well-adjusted children.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

My parents would give up their lives in a second for those that they love.  The household we grew up in was full of warmth and love and is the example I am trying to replicate for my family.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

I have brilliant co-workers who are phenomenal at building up a team, always make sure to share credit, and thrive in a culturally diverse work environment.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

What if we replace "bad" with "idoit" -  does that work?

"Dangerously ignorant" is the term I would use (and have done so).  People will argue (and rightfully so) that these types who vote for Trump, who are normally good/generous, are just as bad as the "bad" Trump voters because the end result is the same - a vote for Trump is still a vote for Trump.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I’m ending the interview. I’m ending the interview because what you’re doing is ridiculous.

Wait, wait—why?

Because I have definitive proof that what you’re saying is not true. And I don’t care. I know what FiveThirtyEight wrote. I live this every day. And so, the point is what you’re saying is wrong. I am on record saying that what FiveThirtyEight has written is incorrect, and I’ve given you definitive proof otherwise. So if you want to keep coming back at this, do it. But this has become one of the most ridiculous interviews that I’ve ever done my entire professional career.

Oh, O.K. Sorry.

Can someone post the whole article 

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11 hours ago, mdmost said:

The messaging from the Democrats is beyond awful if this poll is accurate. You have millions of dollars in the bank. Start spending it to shift the message before it is too late. Maybe it doesn't make a bit of difference but do what Republicans do. Flood the fucking zone. 

I was thinking about this today, sitting in a traditional Greek restaurant. They had Fox news on their one TV. I recalled the hotel also had Fox. Then, I try to remember a public place with the news on that wasn't playing Fox. I still haven't come up one.

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6 minutes ago, pacman said:

I was thinking about this today, sitting in a traditional Greek restaurant. They had Fox news on their one TV. I recalled the hotel also had Fox. Then, I try to remember a public place with the news on that wasn't playing Fox.

I'm not saying you need to pick up your game in terms of restaurants and hotels but have you recently been compelled to go into low company?

 

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On 5/22/2024 at 4:51 PM, Goredho said:

What I don't think people fully appreciate is that while yeah, there are some dumb fucking voters out there, there are a lot of voters who aren't dumb but love Trump.  I know a few of these, and they have kind of given up all pretenses if they trust you.  They think the federal government is fatally flawed and needs to be broken and rebuilt no matter the cost.  They know completely well that Trump has some horrific traits competing for dominance -- narcissism, sociopathy, stupidity and criminality.  They do not care.  They view his hatchet-man governance as the opportunity to remake the federal government to be something from before the New Deal and all the progressive measures enacted in the last half of the 20th century (civil rights, gay marriage, etc...).

That is their vision of a better America.  And they don't sport swastikas tattoos or shaved heads.  They are directors or VPs at companies whose names you would recognize in Austin, Dallas and Denver.  They are some of the parents of the kids that your kids are friends with.  You've sat next to them at little league games, maybe even laughed together at a (non-political) joke among the circle of dad's at the neighbor kid's birthday party.

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Most of these people don't want to go back to before civil rights or gay marriage. That's bs. 

Maybe they just prefer the country how it was in the recent past. Progressives are very open about wanting to change and make drastic change to this country.  And they dominate the administrative state. 

Maybe they've seen a senile, frail man as President and realize he's not even running things. So who is? No one that's been elected. There is a massive deep state/adminstrative state/bureaucracy that essentially runs public policy and anyone on the Right that pays any attention has to realize they have almost representation in that. 

I think the CR crew should really think about that last point.  Imagine if the right controlled 90% of the bureaucracy and used it to push around the other side at all levels? Would you be surprised if people became apathetic, or worse, towards that system?

 

Shit, look how y'all act towards the Supreme Court? And that's only a 6-3 split, not 90-10.

Anyway, my time is almost past. I won’t be able to respond, but be assured that all your arguments are worthless and weak.

Vaya con Dios, CR. 

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7 minutes ago, lucious leftfoot said:

Most of these people don't want to go back to before civil rights or gay marriage. That's bs. 

Maybe they just prefer the country how it was in the recent past. Progressives are very open about wanting to change and make drastic change to this country.  And they dominate the administrative state. 

Maybe they've seen a senile, frail man as President and realize he's not even running things. So who is? No one that's been elected. There is a massive deep state/adminstrative state/bureaucracy that essentially runs public policy and anyone on the Right that pays any attention has to realize they have almost representation in that. 

I think the CR crew should really think about that last point.  Imagine if the right controlled 90% of the bureaucracy and used it to push around the other side at all levels? Would you be surprised if people became apathetic, or worse, towards that system?

 

Shit, look how y'all act towards the Supreme Court? And that's only a 6-3 split, not 90-10.

Anyway, my time is almost past. I won’t be able to respond, but be assured that all your arguments are worthless and weak.

Vaya con Dios, CR. 

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You can speak for yourself, but you can't speak for the people I know and that you don't.

Vaya con Satán, dipshit.

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8 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Obtaining truth is difficult unless you’re a voracious reader. It’s never been easier to access information THAT YOU WANT. 

This is 100% true, and the people who I put the least faith in are those that believe that the information they want is the only shred of truth in a sea of bullshit.

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1 hour ago, lucious leftfoot said:

Maybe they've seen a senile, frail man as President and realize he's not even running things. So who is? No one that's been elected. There is a massive deep state/adminstrative state/bureaucracy that essentially runs public policy and anyone on the Right that pays any attention has to realize they have almost representation in that. 

I think the CR crew should really think about that last point.  Imagine if the right controlled 90% of the bureaucracy and used it to push around the other side at all levels? Would you be surprised if people became apathetic, or worse, towards that system?

Maybe everything you believe is a lie.  I think you should really think about that last point.

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10 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

My parents would give up their lives in a second for those that they love.  The household we grew up in was full of warmth and love and is the example I am trying to replicate for my family.  They are also almost assuredly voting for Trump.  Does this make them "bad?"

This is how I would describe my in-laws.  Yes, it does make them bad.  "Those that they love" is where their "love" stops.  I feel this is one of the major problems we are seeing.  It falls into the "us against them" mentality.  Oh, MY family is all that matters.  Fuck every other human. 

Well, sorry, that's not how society works.  Sure, family can matter MORE, but that doesn't mean it's a zero sum game.  You can take care of your family (whatever that means) and also do good by other people.

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21 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

You won’t believe the  percentage of Border crossings that are down. Click the spoiler to find this one shocking secret

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Illegal crossings along the U.S. southern border have dropped by more than 40% this year since soaring to record levels in December.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/immigration-us-mexico-border-migrants-illegal-crossings/

 

 

That's because they know that Trump is becoming the President. According to Trump.

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18 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I hear you, and feel you.  And it's really hard.  It's REALLY fucking hard.

The hardest part is reaching that final conclusion: that on balance, these people have chosen evil.  For whatever the reason, they have chosen it.  And that is, in the end, unacceptable and unforgivable.

Great post.  And yeah, the bolded -- or 1,000 questions like it, like "when your child's spouse, who is tainted with minority blood, is rounded up and deported to a country they've never even been to even though they are a natural born US citizen but the future regime has abolished that retroactively and a crooked SCOTUS happily went along with it, how will you feel?" or "when the man who gunned down your child and her entire family when he went hunting 'invaders' at the local Wal-Mart is pardoned by the Regime because he was doing God's Work, how will you feel?"  And on and on and on.

Evil shit like the Holocaust didn't happen because Hitler and a few dozen bad dudes had some really shitty ideas.  These things happen because millions of people EMPOWER, EXCUSE, AND PROTECT those evil fuckers, so that they can do their evil unimpeded.


This should be mandatory viewing ….

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21 minutes ago, Pancho said:

They are sticking to their radical anti American talking points

 

Once again they use the "fact" that so many people are skeptical of 2020 as evidence of voting irregularity.

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why won't these fuckers press them? what irregularities? please show direct examples. please point to specific cases. oh, nothing, then shut the fuck up about it. the irregularities were you didn't get to cheat like you did last time. that's the irregularity

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Elon putting his thumb on the Twitter scale for Dotard.

https://dnyuz.com/2024/05/24/elon-musk-ramps-up-anti-biden-posts-on-x/

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Last month, Elon Musk posted on X that President Biden “obviously barely knows what’s going on.”

“He is just a tragic front for a far left political machine,” Mr. Musk wrote. It was the 29th time this year that he had posted about the president on X, formerly known as Twitter, which Mr. Musk bought in 2022.

Mr. Musk has steadily ramped up his criticism of Mr. Biden as the campaign season heats up before the November presidential election. Mr. Musk has posted about Mr. Biden on X at least seven times a month since January, attacking the president for everything from his age to his policies on immigration and health. Before that, he posted about Mr. Biden twice in December and not at all in November, according to a New York Times analysis. In all, Mr. Musk had posted nearly 40 times about Mr. Biden this year, compared with about 30 times for all of last year.

In contrast, Mr. Musk had posted more than 20 times on X this year about former President Donald J. Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee. In those posts, Mr. Musk defended Mr. Trump, arguing that he is a victim of media and prosecutorial bias in the criminal cases that the former president faces.

Mr. Musk’s posts about this year’s presidential race stand out because he is signaling a willingness to tip the political scales as the owner of an influential social media platform, something that no other leader of a social media firm has done. And Mr. Musk exerts outsize influence over the political discourse on X, where he regularly posts to his 184 million followers.

Mark Zuckerberg, Meta’s founder, has shied away from endorsing candidates and rarely posts political content on Facebook or Instagram. Satya Nadella, Microsoft’s chief, and Sundar Pichai, Google’s chief, have also not posted political commentary on their companies’ social media platforms, LinkedIn and YouTube.

Bhaskar Chakravorti, the dean of global business at the Fletcher School at Tufts University, said Mr. Musk’s outspokenness on his political views could have consequences.

“He has ownership and the largest follower base, and he is a much-larger-than-life character with almost godlike status” on one of the largest platforms for political discussion, Mr. Chakravorti said. “If he was to really come out and support a candidate and put his weight against it, it could have an impact.”

The White House, the Biden campaign, Mr. Musk and X did not respond to requests for comment.

By bringing an ideological bent to X, Mr. Musk mirrors what media moguls like Rupert Murdoch, whose empire includes Fox News and The New York Post, have done by helping shape their outlets’ coverage and broader political discourse, said Sarah Kreps, a professor and director of the Tech Policy Institute at Cornell University.

Mr. Murdoch “has a particular ideological valence and most people know what that is, and that permeates through his different media outlets,” she said. “People can opt into those or opt out,” similar to X. Some users — put off by Mr. Musk’s ideological bent — have migrated to competing social media platforms, she said.

Still, Mr. Musk is unlikely to tip November’s vote, social media experts said. Many of his followers already agree with his political stance, they said, and the platform has shifted right since his acquisition.

Mr. Musk has become more publicly supportive of right-wing candidates and views in recent years. As recently as 2022, he described himself as a centrist and a reluctant Democrat. He said he voted for Mr. Biden hesitantly in 2020. Political giving records show that Mr. Musk has not made national campaign contributions since 2020, when he gave to Republican and Democratic Senate candidates.

But in June 2022, Mr. Musk said he had voted for a Republican candidate for the first time in a special election for Texas’ 34th Congressional District. In the national midterm elections that November, he urged voters to vote Republican in congressional races since a Democrat was in the White House.

That evolution continued last May when Mr. Musk hosted a buggy audio stream on X to announce and endorse Florida’s governor, Ron DeSantis, for the Republican presidential nomination. Mr. Musk has not made another endorsement.

Mr. Musk has also repeatedly used X to vocally support right-wing politicians around the world, including Javier Milei, the president of Argentina; Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil; and Narendra Modi of India. He has then tried to use that good will to lobby for advantages in those countries for his other businesses, including SpaceX, a rocket company, and Tesla, which makes electric cars.

Mr. Musk has courted Mr. Trump, who was booted from X when it was still known as Twitter, after the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol. After buying Twitter in 2022, Mr. Musk moved quickly to restore Mr. Trump’s account, although the former president has posted only once on the platform since then.

Even though Mr. Musk has not endorsed Mr. Trump, he has had several conversations with the former president. In March, Mr. Musk and Republican donors met with Mr. Trump in Palm Beach, Fla., as the former president sought election donations.

Afterward, Mr. Musk posted on X that he was “not donating money to either candidate for US President.”

Mr. Musk has been sympathetic to Mr. Trump in his posts. “The more unfair the attacks on Trump seem to the public, the higher he will rise in the polls,” Mr. Musk wrote last week.

Mr. Musk has long been critical of Mr. Biden. In 2021, the billionaire slammed Mr. Biden for his decisions on electric vehicle promotion and subsidies, most of which favored unionized U.S. auto manufacturers. Tesla, where Mr. Musk is chief executive, has resisted efforts to unionize its manufacturing.

“My preference for the 2024 presidency is someone sensible and centrist,” Mr. Musk posted in November 2022, weeks after buying Twitter — and just as he brought Mr. Trump back onto the platform. He added that he had been hopeful about the Biden administration, but was “disappointed so far.”

In January, Mr. Musk ramped up his critiques of Mr. Biden. He posted seven times about the president that month, primarily regarding immigration policies, just as the Biden administration sued Texas over a law that allowed local law enforcement to arrest migrants.

“I cannot see myself voting for Biden,” Mr. Musk said, accusing the president of “facilitating illegal immigration.”

In February, Mr. Musk said Mr. Biden supported lax immigration restrictions because they would give him and the Democratic Party an advantage in the November election.

“Biden’s strategy is very simple: 1. Get as many illegals in the country as possible. 2. Legalize them to create a permanent majority — a one-party state,” Mr. Musk wrote. As the number of people crossing into the United States has reached record levels, Mr. Biden has called for a stricter crackdown on immigration and accused Republicans of stymieing his efforts.

Since then, Mr. Musk has escalated his commentary on Mr. Biden, posting 12 times in March and complaining the media is a “Biden cheering squad.”

Last month, at a dinner party in Los Angeles, Mr. Musk along with other billionaires, including Mr. Murdoch and the venture capitalist Peter Thiel, discussed how to oppose Mr. Biden’s re-election, according to a person familiar with the event, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. The dinner was earlier reported by Puck.

During an interview with the former CNN host Don Lemon in March, Mr. Musk said that he would continue voicing his opinion but didn’t want “to put a thumb on the scale monetarily that is significant,” and that he might endorse a candidate during “the final stretch.”

”I’m leaning away from Biden,” he said, laughing.

The post Elon Musk Ramps Up Anti-Biden Posts on X appeared first on New York Times.

 

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5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

why won't these fuckers press them? what irregularities? please show direct examples. please point to specific cases. oh, nothing, then shut the fuck up about it. the irregularities were you didn't get to cheat like you did last time. that's the irregularity

It’s petty but I wish that Carson would be presented with the “fact” that X% of Americans do not believe or know that he’s a medical doctor so therefore he should no longer be referred to as doctor until there can be a consensus on that fact. 

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7 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

why won't these fuckers press them? what irregularities? please show direct examples. please point to specific cases. oh, nothing, then shut the fuck up about it. the irregularities were you didn't get to cheat like you did last time. that's the irregularity

The right political commentators have somehow all agreed that they only need to state that peoples beliefs in voting irregularity is proof and they refuse to engage in reasonable conversations about the irregularities. They know they have zero evidence but their base doesn’t want to hear that.

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12 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Once again they use the "fact" that so many people are skeptical of 2020 as evidence of voting irregularity.

"A lot of people are saying...because we told them"

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10 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

why won't these fuckers press them? what irregularities? please show direct examples. please point to specific cases. oh, nothing, then shut the fuck up about it. the irregularities were you didn't get to cheat like you did last time. that's the irregularity

Or just stop giving them air time.

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11 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

why won't these fuckers press them? what irregularities? please show direct examples. please point to specific cases. oh, nothing, then shut the fuck up about it. the irregularities were you didn't get to cheat like you did last time. that's the irregularity

 

All of the VP hopefuls have been on CNN within the last week or 2. It’s really odd, unless their talking points include infiltrating the CNN audience with the idea to brainwash voters on “irregularities.”

 

And the NYT is reporting Tom Cotton as a sleeper VP pick for Sleepy Don.

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They can always cite to something.  Polling 300 million people is a massive undertaking (even if it isn't the full 300M).  There are always "irregularities."  But whether those irregularities affect the outcome is a different question.  Entirely.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Or just stop giving them air time.

Outrage sells. CNN or MSNBC is ok if their interviewees piss off the viewers. We're sharing links and videos of Carson and Cruz refusing to be reasonable.

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So once again the Republicans absolutely hand Biden an issue he can run on, that they really don't care about Border Security and it's only a wedge issue they are using to enrage their base. So I'm sure any day now we'll see ad after ad about how Republicans yet again killed the border security bill they negotiated. Because Biden's team have the media messaging completely under control. 

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5 minutes ago, mdmost said:

So once again the Republicans absolutely hand Biden an issue he can run on, that they really don't care about Border Security and it's only a wedge issue they are using to enrage their base. So I'm sure any day now we'll see ad after ad about how Republicans yet again killed the border security bill they negotiated. Because Biden's team have the media messaging completely under control. 

I do think they've been doing pretty well.  They jumped on the reich bullshit immediately.

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8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I do think they've been doing pretty well.  They jumped on the reich bullshit immediately.

But no one cares about that who might vote for Trump. What they claim to care about is immigration and border security. So go non-stop on how the Republicans are failing on this because of Trump. Link the two. Maybe it resonates with some, probably it won't. But stop wasting time when this is the moment to seize on things. Otherwise, it's taking your timeouts into halftime with you. To me, this is 2016 all over again. It should be an f'ing layup to beat Trump. Don't assume people are going to do the right thing again. 

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On 5/22/2024 at 5:05 PM, Ghost of LL said:

This is 100% true.

But the real irony is that they're winners in the present order of things.  Tear down the federal government, and they're likely not to be in nearly as good shape as they are today.  They'll be poorer, less safe, and less healthy.  But they don't get that at all.

An amazing paradox of Americans today is that they all think they're in the top 10% of income earners or wealth (if not the top 1%), but they all feel aggrieved by the "system."  It's just a really weird dynamic that has developed over the past twenty years.

Please elaborate.

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4 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

Please elaborate.

On what do you need elaboration?  American prosperity depends greatly on the domestic and international rules-based order that was created in the aftermath of World War II.

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1 hour ago, mdmost said:

But no one cares about that who might vote for Trump. What they claim to care about is immigration and border security. So go non-stop on how the Republicans are failing on this because of Trump. Link the two. Maybe it resonates with some, probably it won't. But stop wasting time when this is the moment to seize on things. Otherwise, it's taking your timeouts into halftime with you. To me, this is 2016 all over again. It should be an f'ing layup to beat Trump. Don't assume people are going to do the right thing again. 

That’s not going to work either. Everyone other than rounding error that has decided to vote for Trump is going to vote for him no matter what.  He isn’t losing voters.   Everything is about turnout.  Plain and simple.  And it’s going to require constant reminders of the shitshow between 2017 and 2021 combined with testing the apathetics’ “don’t give a shit, nothing matters anyway” defenses with things like loss of reproductive rights, fasicism and Christian nationalism, and revenge politics. The people that don’t think it matters whether Trump or Biden are president are the ones to target.   And they have different triggers.  Keep trying to trigger them into saving the union. 

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On 5/22/2024 at 6:05 PM, Ghost of LL said:

An amazing paradox of Americans today is that they all think they're in the top 10% of income earners or wealth (if not the top 1%), but they all feel aggrieved by the "system." 

It’s not a paradox, at all. See point 5.

Nor is it “weird” or “strange” … as many Surly posters seem to think. History shows this is how fascism works in the rise and takeover.

1. There must be a culture amid rapid scientific-technological change, thus creating “chaos” for the existing systems and dominant ideologies and worldviews.

— Early 20th century it was industrialization. In science, it was spread of knowledge of evolution, Einstein, etc.

— Early 21st century it is widespread use of internet, social media, AI. Massive advances in science in all areas, which only undermines older ideologies.

2. There must a common “enemy“ to blame. In the MAGA case it is Marxist, Woke, Deep State, Immigrant Replacement Theory, Bogus Science ideology.

— All “corrupt" and taking away “freedoms” and “way of life."

3. Fringe thinkers/reactionaries rant about this change and chaos, such as Hitler, Mussolini, Trump, Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, etc.

— All yearning to return to a mythic glorious yesteryear. Conspiracies and pseudoscience proliferate.

4. The religious types join in soon, always ready to protect their power by glorifying their bogus mythic past.

— Just as most were in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (Catholic Church was on-board, see book Pope and Mussolini

— Evangelicals (et al) have been dreaming of the take-down of secular society for decades, since the 60s-70s, personified by landslide wins of Reagan. 

5. The rich and upper middle classes get on-board to protect their wealth and status, as did many in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy.

— Hunt, Elon, and others become the voice and symbol of this. 

— Most (but not all)  industrialists and managerial class in Germany were Nazis or Nazi sympathizers; same in Fascist Italy.

6. The idiot world voters look for a dude who can embody their dreams and take down their perceived enemies.

— Hitler and Trump.

7. The media are utterly compliant, with Fox being full-on Fascist, while CNN, NYT, WaPo, and all the others do #bothsides while leaning conservative/traditionalist to not lose their huge mainstream viewer/reader base, who will slide into fascism or quietly look on (and eventually wonder how we got here)

— Lame ass weak sauce editorials that fail to identify or call out the darkness that awaits, ie fascist totalitarianism.

8. A largely passive, ineffectual  intelligentsia, very much like what we see in much of the American Academy. 

9. Non compliant intellectuals, educators, many scientists are marginalized, trivialized, and eventually taken to camps, perhaps after show trials or public cancelling …. then eventually hanged/shot in public spectacles on TV.  I can see JerryWorld being a location for this at some point in the future.

10. Full take over and crush any remaining resistance.

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19 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

They are hated by Brisket. He considers your parents evil. 

I do.  I do indeed.  Most every person who we can look back on and easily categorize as "flat out fucking evil" were also the types who would "give up their lives in a second for those they love," and generally had a household "full of warmth and love."  Yep.  The people who planned, built, and operated the Nazi machinery of death, for example, mostly fit that description.

Loving yourself and yours?  Cool.

How do you feel about OTHER human beings, who aren't part of your "in group?"  If you're okay with them suffering immensely -- in fact, you even fucking CHEER FOR IT (that's what MAGAs do) -- then sorry, you're fucking evil.  That's the whole fucking problem here.  Stop excusing evil people because they are nice to their kids and shit.  

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Well Nazis and most Trump voters who happen to be loving parents aren’t my group. And I don’t equate those two groups at all, not even close. That’s your fatal flaw.  It is hard to take your posts seriously when you see the world in black and white so starkly. 

Sure they are.  They have enough socialization not to say the quiet part out loud.  But if a future Trump presidency set up .50 cals at the Rio Grande and mowed down thousands of brown people, they would be okay with it.  Or they at least wouldn't be "not okay" with it.

Read a history book.  The Nazis and the Holocaust didn't happen only because of evil schemers who were anti-jew to their core.  Nope.   The Nazis and the holocaust couldn't have happened without millions of "ordinary" Germans who maybe didn't have any great hatred for jews, didn't have any particular desire to see jews murdered or persecuted....but they were okay with it happening, and were gonna go along with things because "hey, it's happening to them, not me."  That's my point. That was Hannah Arendt's point.  That's how hell on earth happens.  Not because of a small cadre of demons.  No.  It's because of millions of people who are okay with demons doing demon things, so long as it's to "them," and not to "me and mine."  A lack of human empathy.  THAT is evil.

People like you will defend and excuse this behavior all the way to and through the camps belching the smoke of burning bodies into the air.  That is EXACTLY what happened before.  And that is exactly the path you're following now.  The hell of it is, you somehow think you and yours are different than those good, ordinary Germans.  You're not.  You're exactly the fucking same.

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6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

And I don’t wish ill on most people outside my group or view them as evil. I view them as misguided in one aspect of their life until they prove otherwise to me. You sound more like Stalin. 

Wait....because I think that all human beings, including and ESPECIALLY people not in "my group" should be treated humanely and with genuine empathy....that's makes me like....Stalin?

Thanks for making my point.  I don't hold anyone in contempt for what they are, or are not.  I hold them in contempt for what they do, and for what they will go along with/are okay with being done to others.  Yes, I think that people who are okay with treating hispanics as sub-human, and are happy when they die in the Rio Grande, are fucking awful humans.  

Assholes like you use the word "tolerance" as a weapon to enable cruelty.  You argue as if "tolerance" is a moral precept.  It is not.  It is a compact, a treaty.  Those who will harm others, or enable harm of others, have opted OUT of that compact, and they do not deserve its protection.  That's how treaties and compacts work.

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4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

why won't these fuckers press them? what irregularities? please show direct examples. please point to specific cases. oh, nothing, then shut the fuck up about it. the irregularities were you didn't get to cheat like you did last time. that's the irregularity

Anytime I hear any MAGA relatives start yammering about irregularities, I ask them why Trump didn’t post the evidence on WhiteHouse.gov for the remaining two months he was in office after the election, or why he doesn’t post the evidence on DonaldJTrump.com or why Mike Lindell is always talking about two weeks but never posts it on his Twitter account or the MyPillow website or whatever.

They don’t have an answer because they don’t want to admit that Trump Is making it uo and stringing them along.

Some basement-dwelling little dweeb has secret info he learned about some videogame that’s been out for years, so he hops on social media and his blog and blasts his data out across the internet for an audience of a few dozen people.  Donald Trump has evidence of a massive conspiracy that changed the national elections and disenfranchised tens of millions of Americans, but somehow in the years that followed the election, while he can find time to spend dozens of days on a golf course, but he can’t find time to post the actual data.

I can go around telling people I won the lottery, but unless I provide the winning ticket or a bank statement showing a deposit from the Texas Lottery Commission, it means nothing.

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Anytime I hear any MAGA relatives start yammering about irregularities, I ask them why Trump didn’t post the evidence on WhiteHouse.gov for the remaining two months he was in office after the election, or why he doesn’t post the evidence on DonaldJTrump.com or why Mike Lindell is always talking about two weeks but never posts it on his Twitter account or the MyPillow website or whatever.

They don’t have an answer because they don’t want to admit that Trump Is making it uo and stringing them along.

Some basement-dwelling little dweeb has secret info he learned about some videogame that’s been out for years, so he hops on social media and his blog and blasts his data out across the internet for an audience of a few dozen people.  Donald Trump has evidence of a massive conspiracy that changed the national elections and disenfranchised tens of millions of Americans, but somehow in the years that followed the election, while he can find time to spend dozens of days on a golf course, but he can’t find time to post the actual data.

I can go around telling people I won the lottery, but unless I provide the winning ticket or a bank statement showing a deposit from the Texas Lottery Commission, it means nothing.

Tell them a lie they want to believe, and it becomes the truth in MAGA land.  It's not any more complicated than that.

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3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

On what do you need elaboration?  American prosperity depends greatly on the domestic and international rules-based order that was created in the aftermath of World War II.

This is what the isolationists that run the GQP don’t understand these days,  if we retreat into ourselves, we let China take over the world’s commerce and everything is dictated to us.  Whether we want to call ourselves an empire or not, if we want a role in deciding how things are run, we have to act the part of an empire.

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

But you are unhinged. You’re comparing all Trump voters to Nazis and telling me to read a history book.  You’re filled with hyperbole.

I am indeed comparing them to Nazis.  You're just too stupid/dishonest to accept that the definition of "Nazis" includes both "evil anti-semites who seized power and fulfilled their dream of exterminating jews" AND "people who voted for/empowered those guys to fulfill that dream because hey, my personal financial or other situation might be somewhat better under the Nazis, and what do I care about the jews, I'm not jewish"....and everything in between.

It's not hyperbole to say that the horrors of the Nazis wouldn't have happened without "ordinary" Germans who 1) didn't have any burning hatred for jews, gypsies, or undesirables, but 2) were okay with looking the other way while the horror unfolded.  Trump voters are America's "ordinary Germans."  And a lot of the "in between," too, because a shitload of them make very plain and open their contempt for "the other" and their open desire to make "the other suffer."

"HE'S HURTING THE WRONG PEOPLE!"  Trumpism in a nutshell.  

In horrific times, reality seems like hyperbole.  You're either willfully ignorant, or happy with the horror show because you want it to happen.  Personally, I've quit caring which one it is: either one makes you a piece of shit.

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