2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[RDCanecutter 25,890]

1 hour ago, HornPhD said:

 

Great thing about learning to sail, is that you're guaranteed to learn something, and maybe it's even sailing.

[Ghost of LL 15,244]

6 hours ago, troph said:

I'm sure Trump was on something even if only a low dose of ADHD meds or something.

Second, Biden is going to have a hell of a time climbing out of this but he can. he needs two legit performances - one more debate and the convention. then just pound the cold narrative between now and then.  maybe one or two solid stump speeches too.

But the travesty is Biden isn't arguably a good president. That's not even debatable. what he's done in Europe, alliances forming against a rising China, rebuilding the executive, infrastructure, climate change funding, decency, several bipartisan bills, he would have sweeping immigration reform except Trump threatened republicans. The Afghanistan withdrawal was not great but it wasn't going to be great for anyone and every President left Afghanistan for the next guy. Biden made the tough choice and got us out and is now the first president since when, Clinton to have no troops abroad? He successfully helped defend Israel (for better or for worse an ally) from an historic all out attack by Iran. He's one of the primary bulwarks standing against Putin (and if you study Putin he's taken advantage of every US President until now). The man is the most effective president in the last 30 years. That alone puts him on the list as one of the greatest in our lifetime and arguably the last 75-100 years. FDR, LBJ, then maybe Reagan (retrospectively not a fan but still hard to argue against his influence/impact) and Biden, Clinton and GWB after that and I love Obama but he got stymied after TARP and ACA. Biden not so much.

I agree 100% with everything you just typed.  Joe Biden is undoubtedly the best president of my lifetime.  And to be honest, it isn't even particularly close.  There are things I would wish had been done better.  But the list of accomplishments in 3.5 years is pretty remarkable.

And now it's time for him to do one more thing for his country--stand down.  Give a gracious speech from the Oval about how it's time to pass the torch to a new generation.  Channel JFK's First Inaugural, except instead of being the torch-recipient, speak as the torch-passer.  It would breathe new life into the campaign.  It would give the Democratic candidate an unbelievable advantage of not just being not old, but also of being the basis for excitement for the future.  It would defeat Trump.

It would save the Republic.

[David Dennison 17,754]

4 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I agree 100% with everything you just typed.  Joe Biden is undoubtedly the best president of my lifetime.  And to be honest, it isn't even particularly close.  There are things I would wish had been done better.  But the list of accomplishments in 3.5 years is pretty remarkable.

And now it's time for him to do one more thing for his country--stand down.  Give a gracious speech from the Oval about how it's time to pass the torch to a new generation.  Channel JFK's First Inaugural, except instead of being the torch-recipient, speak as the torch-passer.  It would breathe new life into the campaign.  It would give the Democratic candidate an unbelievable advantage of not just being not old, but also of being the basis for excitement for the future.  It would defeat Trump.

It would save the Republic.

And it's probably not going to happen.

[wildcat09 28,485]

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

[YGIFS 19,445]

While I initially treated him as simply the cure for the Tumor Trump in 2020, I've come to appreciate that Joe has done remarkably well given the shit sandwich he was handed.  And has surrounded himself by an outstanding team while Trump filled his senior positions and cabinet with either people that were woefully unqualified and stuck around the grift or were actually qualified, served for 15 minutes, and got the fuck outta Dodge.  

It's a helluva gambit, but worth considering and toot-sweet.  Does Biden run on his record, which is strong, while being rather feckless towards a piece of shit like Trump and his record of crime and confidence schemes?  But may not be able to pull it off?  Or does the DNC convince him and run somebody else before August who reinvigorates the party?  It may be better in the long run for the Democrats, but it could also be a roll of the dice that implodes on them and puts Trump back into the Oval.  

I think 2032 and beyond, y'all's party should be fine given census, redistricting, and demography shifts.  But that's an awfully long way from now for the old school Clinton-Obama-Biden-Schumer-Pelosi regime.  You're talking about 5 people who'll be in their 80's, 90's, or dead by then.  So I get you wanna stick with probably has a 55% of working to get Trump outta there but you gotta marry that with what might happen to the 8-year period after this election if Biden dies, Harris isn't electable, MAGA nation throws its weight behind a new candidate, etc.  It's a precarious position, and it lays heavy upon the shoulders of an 81yo man who is a great delegating point guard, but not exactly a high-energy team Captain.

Time is always winding down in America.  But I have a bad feeling, that we may be winding down with it.  

[immamac 41,617]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

[David Dennison 17,754]

Just now, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

Somehow? They won elections. 

[wildcat09 28,485]

Just now, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

This was always going to be a close election. Welcome to reality.

[DaysOff 7,682]

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

Say, "Bitch be cool!"

[immamac 41,617]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

This was always going to be a close election. Welcome to reality.

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

[linux 1,374]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

This was never happening Jesus Christ himself could come down as a democrat and this was always a close election, there is NO pulling away it is a bizarrer sportslike fantasy.

[linux 1,374]

Just now, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

Dooming is just depressing the vote, stop pretending we are fans here, we decide the outcome through votes and effort, (and money but fans also do that)

[David Dennison 17,754]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

Joe Biden probably wasn't the best choice in 2020. 

But he keeps winning.

[wildcat09 28,485]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

It shouldn't have been close in 2016 or 2020 either (and the GOP shouldn't control nearly as many states as it does and it shouldn't have won the House in 2022). But it is, because we're a very divided country and there's a whole lot of stupid assholes we share it with. 

[wildcat09 28,485]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Joe Biden probably wasn't the best choice in 2020. 

But he keeps winning.

He wasn't one of my top two choices but looking back at how close it was, I feel fairly confident that none of the other candidates would've beaten Trump. 

[David Dennison 17,754]

4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It shouldn't have been close in 2016 or 2020 either (and the GOP shouldn't control nearly as many states as it does and it shouldn't have won the House in 2022). But it is, because we're a very divided country and there's a whole lot of stupid assholes we share it with. 

Remember kids: it wouldn't be close if we had a modern, grown up Constitution that doesn't dictate that we the select a chief executive based on the notion that we shouldn't hurt the feelings of white men who own black people.

Edited June 28 by David Dennison

[linux 1,374]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

He wasn't one of my top two choices but looking back at how close it was, I feel fairly confident that none of the other candidates would've beaten Trump. 

People are smoking when they think it was close, try finding those 11k "undecideds" that voted for Biden over Trump in Arizona, if you can easily track them down then congrats it was easy. Its not.

You need gargantuan efforts just to move a needle and it moves honestly because people die and new voters take their place. See Georgia half an administration ago. Both after Jan 6, Warnock on both ballots and democrats gained .4% when they should have lost under normal rules.

 

 

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Remember kids: it wouldn't be close if we had a modern, grown up Constitution that doesn't dictate that we the select a chief executive based on the notion that we shouldn't hurt the feelings of white men who own black people.

Its too late even though I think a reconstruction period needed to have taken place it is too late, worry about that later.

[C-Man 26,617]

19 minutes ago, immamac said:

It shouldn't be. That's why people are dooming. It shouldn't be close between a psychotic moron who wants to openly talk about installing himself as dictator and dismantling fundamental parts of our country and literally anyone else. 

Unfortunately, 40% or so in this country would like to take the US back to a time where we owned slaves and women served as 'breeders' who can't vote.

[linux 1,374]

Closer to 45% based on the polling

['stache 21,520]

23 minutes ago, linux said:

This was never happening Jesus Christ himself could come down as a democrat and this was always a close election, there is NO pulling away it is a bizarrer sportslike fantasy.

This. The majority of Americans are truly stupid and deplorable. No person alive can have a D by their name and win big. Not possible.

[linux 1,374]

Democrats have won every single election since Roe v Wade, and only lost one legit competitive election since Jan 6 (Va gov), people panicking are doing Trump a favor.

[LTbear 4,044]

"Hey this thing happened recently a couple of times, there's zero reason to worry about the opposite happening even though there is viable evidence it might."

[gmr548 16,289]

39 minutes ago, immamac said:

Dude you are missing it. This is the time to make one guy super favorable and one stays the same unfavorable. Then this isn't a close election. 

Instead we have 2 garbage candidates no one actually likes, yet somehow they got the nomination. 

They got the nomination because supermajorities of participating voters selected them in the primaries. There was never serious opposition to either candidate. Sentiments like these are reflections of the electorate, ultimately, not the candidates.

 

[Ghost of LL 15,244]

49 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

Well, he's behind.  So further entrenching the status quo doesn't do him any good.

10 minutes ago, linux said:

Democrats have won every single election since Roe v Wade, and only lost one legit competitive election since Jan 6 (Va gov), people panicking are doing Trump a favor.

You know what--fuck you.

I sweatergawd you sound as fucking delusional as the biggest Q-Anon nutter.  Things are not fucking fine.  Biden is not in a good position, and that was a fucking disaster last night. 

I don't understand why so many Democrats out there seem bound and determined to deny reality.

[linux 1,374]

1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, he's behind.  So further entrenching the status quo doesn't do him any good.

You know what--fuck you.

I sweatergawd you sound as fucking delusional as the biggest Q-Anon nutter.  Things are not fucking fine.  Biden is not in a good position, and that was a fucking disaster last night. 

I don't understand why so many Democrats out there seem bound and determined to deny reality.

Because you are denying reality the primaries are over what the fuck is your plan?

[G650 13,195]

56 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Y’all bitches need to be cool, like I said.

99.9999% of people who are actually going to vote made up their minds long ago.

[linux 1,374]

1 minute ago, G650 said:

99.9999% of people who are actually going to vote made up their minds long ago.

And our goal is to get them to vote, convincing people is a waste of time. 

[locodos 5,230]

11 minutes ago, G650 said:

99.9999% of people who are actually going to vote made up their minds long ago.

[GW Hayduke 1,943]

The goal is to suppress turnout of the deplorables and increase turnout of everyone else.  We do that by rallying around the greatest president of the last 50 years. 

[G650 13,195]

11 minutes ago, locodos said:

I mean I'm not saying that's good or bad, don't get me wrong

[Dutchrudder 10,976]

Maybe they should have had some debates in the Democratic primary a few months ago?  Might have been a better time for this debacle to occur. I know I know, incumbents don't need to debate within the party, etc etc, but that was hard to watch last night. Would have been much better coming from within the party to lessen the blows and focus on policy. 

I do wonder if Biden needs to dump Harris as VP and pick someone that may actually appeal to voters as a "President-in-Waiting." I have a hard time buying the idea that Biden will make it 4 full years before resigning, dying or having the 25th amendment invoked. The narrative from the right is going to shift soon to "Do you really want Kamala Harris to be President?  Because that's what you're voting for with Biden" and I think that may appeal to some independents like the anti-Hillary sentiment in 2016. Sure she doesn't have the same baggage, but she's not a strong candidate in the first place. Newsome needs to be the backup plan for Biden. Let Biden make it 2+ years, then ride off into the sunset to let Gavin take over for the next 8 years after that, and maybe things can get back to normal as Alito and Thomas die out sometime during that administration. 

[Goredho 17,164]

25 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, he's behind.  So further entrenching the status quo doesn't do him any good.

You know what--fuck you.

I sweatergawd you sound as fucking delusional as the biggest Q-Anon nutter.  Things are not fucking fine.  Biden is not in a good position, and that was a fucking disaster last night. 

I don't understand why so many Democrats out there seem bound and determined to deny reality.

Yep, on one side you have crazy people who believe the 2020 election was rigged and on the other you have crazy people pretending that JoeB is not a flawed candidate and that last night was not detrimental to his campaign.

Arguing with either of those groups is pointless.  They are both fucking nuts.

But hey, as long as the echoes keep reverberating in the chamber, we must be winning.  Right?

Right??

[linux 1,374]

Changes since the 2020 election

Michigan has early voting and easier absentee mail in voting, that should make it easier for poor people to vote. 

Nevada made mandatory mail in ballots sent to voters a thing which once again helps poor people vote.

Georgia enacted restrictions shorter early voting

Arizona has seen no changes, governor vetos to end mail in voting

Wisconsin enacted voter ID laws to depress the poor vote.

NC the same.

It could have been so much worse

9 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Yep, on one side you have crazy people who believe the 2020 election was rigged and on the other you have crazy people pretending that JoeB is not a flawed candidate and that last night was not detrimental to his campaign.

Arguing with either of those groups is pointless.  They are both fucking nuts.

But hey, as long as the echoes keep reverberating in the chamber, we must be winning.  Right?

Right??

Except that is not what I said, I said there is no plan B.

[Goredho 17,164]

And I blame the dems for their only plan A being a shit show.  If there is no plan B, your plan A to stop the destruction of American democracy better be fucking sound.  It is not.

[linux 1,374]

4 minutes ago, Goredho said:

And I blame the dems for their only plan A being a shit show.  If there is no plan B, your plan A to stop the destruction of American democracy better be fucking sound.  It is not.

Again there is no plan B, because plan B is impossible not only are electors legally bound to vote for Biden, even if he released them you have to have primaries otherwise it is a democrat civil war

2016 Bernie lost primaries and conceeded, people pointed out the delegates went for Hillary

2020 Bernie lost primaries and conceded, people pointed out Biden was going to have them all

Now in 2024 everybody is throwing their hat in the ring, socialists, log cabin, centrists, enviromentalists all want their pick there is no primary to point to that their candidate lost = civil war 3 months away from election day.

That is reality anybody have a different plan? I mean aside from building a time machine of course.

[troph 23,995]

Y’all see Biden’s stump speech in NC today? 
 

Edited June 28 by troph

[Chuckie Finster 22,285]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

Y’all see Biden’s stump speech in NC today? 
 

If we got that Joe last night, this election would be over.

[HRSchenker 2,215]

From the New York Times Editorial Board https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html

Quote

To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race

President Biden has repeatedly and rightfully described the stakes in this November’s presidential election as nothing less than the future of American democracy.

Donald Trump has proved himself to be a significant jeopardy to that democracy — an erratic and self-interested figure unworthy of the public trust. He systematically attempted to undermine the integrity of elections. His supporters have described, publicly, a 2025 agenda that would give him the power to carry out the most extreme of his promises and threats. If he is returned to office, he has vowed to be a different kind of president, unrestrained by the checks on power built into the American political system.

Mr. Biden has said that he is the candidate with the best chance of taking on this threat of tyranny and defeating it. His argument rests largely on the fact that he beat Mr. Trump in 2020. That is no longer a sufficient rationale for why Mr. Biden should be the Democratic nominee this year.

At Thursday’s debate, the president needed to convince the American public that he was equal to the formidable demands of the office he is seeking to hold for another term. Voters, however, cannot be expected to ignore what was instead plain to see: Mr. Biden is not the man he was four years ago.

The president appeared on Thursday night as the shadow of a great public servant. He struggled to explain what he would accomplish in a second term. He struggled to respond to Mr. Trump’s provocations. He struggled to hold Mr. Trump accountable for his lies, his failures and his chilling plans. More than once, he struggled to make it to the end of a sentence.

Mr. Biden has been an admirable president. Under his leadership, the nation has prospered and begun to address a range of long-term challenges, and the wounds ripped open by Mr. Trump have begun to heal. But the greatest public service Mr. Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election.

As it stands, the president is engaged in a reckless gamble. There are Democratic leaders better equipped to present clear, compelling and energetic alternatives to a second Trump presidency. There is no reason for the party to risk the stability and security of the country by forcing voters to choose between Mr. Trump’s deficiencies and those of Mr. Biden. It’s too big a bet to simply hope Americans will overlook or discount Mr. Biden’s age and infirmity that they see with their own eyes.

If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden, the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick. That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses. But given that very danger, the stakes for the country and the uneven abilities of Mr. Biden, the United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee. To make a call for a new Democratic nominee this late in a campaign is a decision not taken lightly, but it reflects the scale and seriousness of Mr. Trump’s challenge to the values and institutions of this country and the inadequacy of Mr. Biden to confront him.

Ending his candidacy would be against all of Mr. Biden’s personal and political instincts. He has picked himself up from tragedies and setbacks in the past and clearly believes he can do so again. Supporters of the president are already explaining away Thursday’s debate as one data point compared with three years of accomplishments. But the president’s performance cannot be written off as a bad night or blamed on a supposed cold, because it affirmed concerns that have been mounting for months or even years. Even when Mr. Biden tried to lay out his policy proposals, he stumbled. It cannot be outweighed by other public appearances because he has limited and carefully controlled his public appearances.

It should be remembered that Mr. Biden challenged Mr. Trump to this verbal duel. He set the rules, and he insisted on a date months earlier than any previous general election debate. He understood that he needed to address longstanding public concerns about his mental acuity and that he needed to do so as soon as possible.

The truth Mr. Biden needs to confront now is that he failed his own test.

In polls and interviews, voters say they are seeking fresh voices to take on Mr. Trump. And the consolation for Mr. Biden and his supporters is that there is still time to rally behind a different candidate. While Americans are conditioned to the long slog of multiyear presidential elections, in many democracies, campaigns are staged in the space of a few months.

It is a tragedy that Republicans themselves are not engaged in deeper soul-searching after Thursday’s debate. Mr. Trump’s own performance ought to be regarded as disqualifying. He lied brazenly and repeatedly about his own actions, his record as president and his opponent. He described plans that would harm the American economy, undermine civil liberties and fray America’s relationships with other nations. He refused to promise that he would accept defeat, returning instead to the kind of rhetoric that incited the Jan. 6 attack on Congress.

The Republican Party, however, has been co-opted by Mr. Trump’s ambitions. The burden rests on the Democratic Party to put the interests of the nation above the ambitions of a single man.

Democrats who have deferred to Mr. Biden must now find the courage to speak plain truths to the party’s leader. The confidantes and aides who have encouraged the president’s candidacy, and who sheltered him from unscripted appearances in public, should recognize the damage to Mr. Biden’s standing and the unlikelihood that he can repair it.

Mr. Biden answered an urgent question on Thursday night. It was not the answer that he and his supporters were hoping for. But if the risk of a second Trump term is as great as he says it is — and we agree with him that the danger is enormous — then his dedication to this country leaves him and his party only one choice.

The clearest path for Democrats to defeat a candidate defined by his lies is to deal truthfully with the American public: acknowledge that Mr. Biden can’t continue his race, and create a process to select someone more capable to stand in his place to defeat Mr. Trump in November.

It is the best chance to protect the soul of the nation — the cause that drew Mr. Biden to run for the presidency in 2019 — from the malign warping of Mr. Trump. And it is the best service that Mr. Biden can provide to a country that he has nobly served for so long.

I am stunned. 

[troph 23,995]

Trump is getting raked for lying. Initial polls are unchanged, Biden got a nice fundraising bump and he looked GOOD today. Total attack mode. I’m off the ledge a little bit. I think we were so aghast at Biden we didn’t really see exactly how awful Trump was.

today Biden said, “I don’t talk as smooth as I used to, I don’t debate as well as I used to, but you know what I still know how to do? TELL THE TRUTH.”

it was an incredible zinger.

he repeated the “morals of an alley cat” line and he hammered him as a convicted felon, liar, sexual assaulter, and more.

it was good. 

[Bateshorn 9,542]

11 minutes ago, troph said:

Y’all see Biden’s stump speech in NC today? 
 

The problem with this analogy is Biden  crushed a dinger during batting practice (friendly crowd, teleprompter). 

Last night he went 0-4 with a double play, two 3 pitch strike outs, and a weak come backer. 
 

Edited June 28 by Bateshorn

[troph 23,995]

4 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

From the New York Times Editorial Board https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html

I am stunned. 

That they would still unequivocally endorse Biden. You shouldn’t be. Trump is a pariah. 

Just now, Bateshorn said:

The problem with this analogy is Biden  crushed a finger during batting practice (friendly crowd, teleprompter). 

Last night he went 0-4 with a double play, a two 3 pitch strike outs, and a weak come backer. 
 

I’m not suggesting they are the same. 

[linux 1,374]

I mean I would ask the NYT to resign from top to bottom for failing the country before I would ask Biden who only wins elections.

The country is fucked fascists on one side neurotic ninnies on the other. Its no wonder Germany did what they did.

[Brisketexan 103,515]

7 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

From the New York Times Editorial Board https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html

I am stunned. 

Fucking stupid and reactionary and meant to jump on a bandwagon to get eyeballs.

The press has absolutely failed this country.  Hell, I'm actually starting to find myself agreeing with Trump: they ARE the enemy of the people.

[G650 13,195]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

The press has absolutely failed this country.  Hell, I'm actually starting to find myself agreeing with Trump: they ARE the enemy of the people

I never thought I'd see the day but damn if I'm not coming to that viewpoint as well

[LCHorn 2,529]

25 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

From the New York Times Editorial Board https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html

I am stunned. 

You shouldn’t be, the Gray Lady has turned into a click machine but tuned to anxious lefties instead of Fox News.  I still read it every day but they avidly lean into hysterics.  

[David Dennison 17,754]

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

I don't understand why so many Democrats out there seem bound and determined to deny reality.

Because it's up to Joe Biden to drop out of the race.

What do you think the chances of that are?

[David Dennison 17,754]

45 minutes ago, Goredho said:

And I blame the dems for their only plan A being a shit show.  If there is no plan B, your plan A to stop the destruction of American democracy better be fucking sound.  It is not.

It wasn't in 2020.

[wildcat09 28,485]

The Times hates Biden (more specifically, its owner hates Biden) and has been openly rooting for Trump for months. This shouldn't be surprising. 

[Js1 82,949]

38 minutes ago, G650 said:

I never thought I'd see the day but damn if I'm not coming to that viewpoint as well

Oh been there for a while. More enshittening - the news has become alt right because that’s what makes the money. 

[Ghost of LL 15,244]

54 minutes ago, linux said:

Again there is no plan B, because plan B is impossible not only are electors legally bound to vote for Biden, even if he released them you have to have primaries otherwise it is a democrat civil war

They're not legally bound.  They're bound under the Rules of the Convention.  Guess what a majority of the Convention can do--change the fucking rules.

But that's not ideal.  Far from it.  That's why it would be far better for Biden to step down.  But to do that, he needs to have people like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in his ear telling him it's time to do that.  And that doesn't seem to be happening right now.  But were it to happen, I suspect he might agree.

So no--there is currently no Plan B.  But that just means we need to start figuring out a Plan B right fucking pronto.