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Don Johnson

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There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

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Just now, Don Johnson said:

There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

Wait. Do people think the President runs the country?

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Just now, Don Johnson said:

There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

It's also a four year job. Until January 2029. That's.... a long time from now. Close to zero percent chance he can make it that long. Which, is a problem. 

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9 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I mean I disliked him long before he became a political figure. 

EVERYONE disliked him before he became a political figure. Or, at least, viewed him as a caricature to be mocked. Then, he started spreading conspiracies and saying racist shit about Obama and 35% of the country was like, "Hmm, I like the cut of his jib. What else does he have to say?"

Good luck reminding your MAGA friends how they used to view Trump when politics weren't involved.

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2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

EVERYONE disliked him before he became a political figure. Or, at least, viewed him as a caricature to be mocked. Then, he started spreading conspiracies and saying racist shit about Obama and 35% of the country was like, "Hmm, I like the cut of his jib. What else does he have to say?"

Good luck reminding your MAGA friends how they used to view Trump when politics weren't involved.

He's basically a celebrity Pat Buchanan.

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29 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Good luck reminding your MAGA friends how they used to view Trump when politics weren't involved.

Reminder: those plentiful photos of Trump with the Clintons and with Jeffrey Epstein aren’t going to drop themselves into casual conversations with your MAGA friends and relatives,

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45 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Good luck reminding your MAGA friends how they used to view Trump when politics weren't involved.

I wasn’t planning on doing so. Why waste energy. Nobody cares. Nobody is gonna change minds. Discussing any of this pisses everyone off and accomplishes zero. 

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3 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

There’s a difference between losing a debate, like many presidential winners have done in the past, and looking so senile that many your supporters are legitimately wondering who is running the country currently. 

Well, nobody will remember this debate by this time next month, thanks to Beryl and the Olympics.

Hell, people are already forgetting about it and moving on to other things to be outraged about.

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Trump rambling nonsense and making shit up along the way is an actual sign of dementia. His party still worships him and the media doesn’t say withdraw. Eat shit.

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6 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Trump rambling nonsense and making shit up along the way is an actual sign of dementia. His party still worships him and the media doesn’t say withdraw. Eat shit.

Isn’t it a forgone conclusion that 100% of the non conservative media doesn’t think Trump is fit to run and should be in prison?  Does the NYT really need to say that?  Or CNN or MSNBC?  

The only reason they are calling for Biden to resign is they are scared that Biden now can’t beat Trump. They want someone who will beat Trump. They aren’t doing so to sabotage the election. More the opposite. 

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3 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Isn’t it a forgone conclusion that 100% of the non conservative media doesn’t think Trump is fit to run and should be in prison?  Does the NYT really need to say that?  Or CNN or MSNBC?  

The only reason they are calling for Biden to resign is they are scared that Biden now can’t beat Trump. They want someone who will beat Trump. They aren’t doing so to sabotage the election. More the opposite. 

Bull. Fucking. Shit. If that’s what they cared about they’d write the Philly Inquirer article, every single day. The fact that fucking Rex Kramer says he should withdrawal tells you everything. They want him to withdraw because it helps Trump. Period. They don’t even pretend otherwise anymore.

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5 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

Good to see at least one major newspaper's editorial board gets it.

Philadelphia Inquirer: To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial

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To serve his country, Donald Trump should leave the race | Editorial

Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

 

President Donald Trump at the first presidential debate Thursday. Trump’s performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.

 

President Joe Biden’s debate performance was a disaster. His disjointed responses and dazed look sparked calls for him to drop out of the presidential race.

 

But lost in the hand wringing was Donald Trump’s usual bombastic litany of lies, hyperbole, bigotry, ignorance, and fear mongering. His performance demonstrated once again that he is a danger to democracy and unfit for office.

 

In fact, the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

 

Trump, 78, has been on the political stage for eight years marked by chaos, corruption, and incivility. Why go back to that?

 

Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a “failing” country. He called the United States a “third world nation.” He said, “we’re living in hell” and “very close to World War III.”

 

“People are dying all over the place,” Trump said, later adding “we’re literally an uncivilized country now.”

 

To build himself up, Trump constantly tears the country down, The Editorial Board writes. There is no shining city on the hill. It’s just mourning in America.

 

Trump told more than 30 lies during the debate to go with the more than 30,000 mistruths told during his four years as president. He dodged the CNN moderators’ questions, took no responsibility for his actions, and blamed others, mainly Biden, for everything that is wrong in the world.

 

Trump’s response to the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection he fueled was farcical. He said a “relatively small number of people” went to the Capitol and many were “ushered in by the police.”

 

After scheming to overturn the 2020 election, Trump refused to say if he would accept the results of the 2024 election. Unless, of course, he wins.

 

The debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate. Supporters say they like Trump because he says whatever he thinks. But he mainly spews raw sewage.

 

Trump attacks the military. He denigrates the Justice Department and judges. He belittles the FBI and the CIA. He picks fights with allies and cozies up to dictators.

 

Trump is an unserious carnival barker running for the most serious job in the world. During his last term, Trump served himself and not the American people.

 

Trump spent chunks of time watching TV, tweeting, and hanging out at his country clubs. Over his four-year term, Trump played roughly 261 rounds of golf.

 

The Editorial Board writes that the debate served as a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like: More lies, grievance, narcissism and hate.

As president, Trump didn’t read the daily intelligence briefs. He continued to use his personal cell phone, allowing Chinese spies to listen to his calls. During one Oval Office meeting, Trump shared highly classified intelligence with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador.

 

Trump’s term did plenty of damage and had few accomplishments. The much-hyped wall didn’t get built. Infrastructure week was a recurring joke. Giant tax cuts made the rich richer, while fueling massive deficits for others to pay for years. His support for coal, oil drilling, and withdrawal from the Paris Agreement worsened the growing impact of climate change.

 

Trump stacked the judiciary with extreme judges consisting mainly of white males, including a number who the American Bar Association rated as not qualified. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting.

 

Many Trump appointees exited under a cloud of corruption, grifting, and ethical scandals. Trump’s children made millions off the White House. His dilettante son-in-law got $2 billion from the Saudi government for his fledgling investment firm even though he never managed money before.

 

Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic resulted in tens of thousands of needless deaths. He boasts about stacking the Supreme Court with extreme right-wingers who are stripping away individual rights, upending legal precedents, and making the country less safe. If elected, Trump may add to the court’s conservative majority.

 

Of course, there were the unprecedented two impeachments. Now, Trump is a convicted felon who is staring at three more criminal indictments. He is running for president to stay out of prison.

 

If anything, Trump doesn’t deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

 

Trump allegedly stole classified information and tried to overturn an election. His plans for a second term are worse than the last one. We cannot be serious about letting such a crooked clown back in the White House.

 

If anything, Trump doesn’t deserve to be on the presidential debate stage. Why even give him a platform?

 

Yes, Biden had a horrible night. He’s 81 and not as sharp as he used to be. But Biden on his worst day remains lightyears better than Trump on his best.

 

Biden must show that he is up to the job. This much is clear: He has a substantive record of real accomplishments, fighting the pandemic, combating climate change, investing in infrastructure, and supporting working families and the most vulnerable.

 

Biden has surrounded himself with experienced people who take public service seriously. He has passed major bipartisan legislation despite a dysfunctional Republican House majority.

 

Biden believes in the best of America. He has rebuilt relationships with allies around the world and stood up to foes like Russia and China.

 

There was only one person at the debate who does not deserve to be running for president. The sooner Trump exits the stage, the better off the country will be.

 

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5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Bull. Fucking. Shit. If that’s what they cared about they’d write the Philly Inquirer article, every single day. The fact that fucking Rex Kramer says he should withdrawal tells you everything. They want him to withdraw because it helps Trump. Period. They don’t even pretend otherwise anymore.

You believe those that think Biden should drop out think that because they want Trump to win?

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You believe those that think Biden should drop out think that because they want Trump to win?

In the media? Yes, absolutely.

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It's a fool's errand and pointless. When we were debating strategies to defeat Hitler, I doubt a lot of thought went into running editorials to get him to quit. 

"It Hitler truly wants what's best for the world, he would resign. Yes I said it."

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25 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Trump is serving his country by remaining in the race…. Mother Russia. 

It is just simply astounding to see TFG being able to run again after inciting a riot. We are teetering/already are a 1st world banana republic. We truly have some of the dumbest human beings on the planet living right here in America. Millions of these people do not deserve to be able to call this country home. That they support TFG just reinforces how insanely broken so many of these people are. I’ll cast my vote for Biden in November, get off the mainland and then out of this country entirely within two years, God willing.

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6 hours ago, troph said:

Pancho’s tweet is important, debates have zero predictive value. That rubric is really interesting too. 
 

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How do you assign economic keys when the numbers say it’s good but polling says people think it’s bad?

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2 hours ago, 'stache said:

Bull. Fucking. Shit. If that’s what they cared about they’d write the Philly Inquirer article, every single day. The fact that fucking Rex Kramer says he should withdrawal tells you everything. They want him to withdraw because it helps Trump. Period. They don’t even pretend otherwise anymore.

I want him to withdraw because he has very little shot of beating Trump and I don’t want Trump to win. 

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36 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He's the incumbent. The odds of him beating Trump are very good.

Agree to disagree.  

That's and old-fashioned mindset that assumes a rational, engaged electorate.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Biden can't distance himself from a convicted felon, who basically killed 500k+ Americans because of his COVID response, and tried to overthrow the government.

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1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Fuck the media. So a bad debate performance is disqualifying, but trying to actively end our democracy and being a convicted felon and rapist isn’t?

1) The media only cares about who is going to win. They've mistaken the idea that appearing to be non-biased requires them to focus on the winning and not the underlying mendacity and its dangers.

2) Maybe you should watch more MSNBC.

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

Throughout the debate, Trump repeatedly said we are a “failing” country. He called the United States a “third world nation.” He said, “we’re living in hell” and “very close to World War III.”

Good to see the party of Reagan is scared of Putin’s empty threats, and their leader tells the world that Republicans are a bunch of bedwetters and cowards scared of the third-world shithole run by Putin.

And sure, we are failing in a few areas - here in Texas we have doubts about our power grid and its authority that *checks notes* has been run by Republicans for almost 30 years.

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27 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Agree to disagree.  

That's and old-fashioned mindset that assumes a rational, engaged electorate.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Biden can't distance himself from a convicted felon, who basically killed 500k+ Americans because of his COVID response, and tried to overthrow the government.

You won't know that until there's actually an election.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm going by history. 

Incumbents have a considerable advantage.

Take it for what it's worth.

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Trump almost won in 2020 despite 4 years of ass, chaos, a global pandemic that he bungled, etc.

Incumbency 

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