2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[WhatTheBuck 28825]

8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I'm sure that would get immediately picked up by the Supreme Court, and they would rule within about 20 minutes that Biden has to be on the ballot, even if he dropped out before the convention. Or if he died. 

He’s not even the nominee yet.

I don’t know if everyone is familiar with what’s going on in Ohio but we have a law that says the ballot must be certified 90 days before the election which means by Aug 7. The Democratic National Convention isn’t until Aug 19th so they’re planning to have a “virtual roll call” prior to Ohio’s Aug 7 deadline to declare Joe Biden the nominee and get him on the ballot. That’s going to complicate things in the calculation of if/when Biden should drop out. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26670]

32 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

To do what, though, if they can't convince Joe Biden?

Members of congress don’t just speak for themselves. They are party critters deeply connected to local party organizations and structures. Team Biden isn’t some independent entity and while his delegates are certainly pledged to him they are products of the same organizations and structures that produce members of congress. 

In other words- if we get to the point that they collectively want Biden out and he doesn’t drop out, we could see a floor fight start to take shape, beginning with superdelegates and unpledged delegates begin to publicly support stalking horses, and conflict in the preliminary committees that precede the convention. 
It’s important to keep in mind that Democrats were *this* close to a floor fight in 2008 two weeks before the show started and had it gotten to that point it’s very possible that Clinton could have won the nomination. 

Edited July 7 by Bozo_Casanova

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Members of congress don’t just speak for themselves. They are party critters deeply connected to local party organizations and structures. Team Biden isn’t some independent entity and while his delegates are certainly pledged to him they are products of the same organizations and structures that produce members of congress. 

In other words- if we get to the point that they collectively want Biden out and he doesn’t drop out, we could see a floor fight start to take shape, beginning with superdelegates and unpledged delegates begin to publicly support stalking horses, and conflict in the preliminary committees that precede the convention. 
It’s important to keep in mind that Democrats were *this* close to a floor fight in 2008 two weeks before the show started and had it gotten to that point it’s very possible that Clinton could have won the nomination. 

This is how it works and this applies to Biden as well as Harris.  (The Republicans don't have super delegates.)

[David Dennison 19117]

4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Members of congress don’t just speak for themselves. They are party critters deeply connected to local party organizations and structures. Team Biden isn’t some independent entity and while his delegates are certainly pledged to him they are products of the same organizations and structures that produce members of congress. 

In other words- if we get to the point that they collectively want Biden out and he doesn’t drop out, we could see a floor fight start to take shape, beginning with superdelegates and unpledged delegates begin to publicly support stalking horses, and conflict in the preliminary committees that precede the convention. 
It’s important to keep in mind that Democrats were *this* close to a floor fight in 2008 two weeks before the show started and had it gotten to that point it’s very possible that Clinton could have won the nomination. 

Doesn't he already have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot and don't they belong to him barring a change of the rules?

 

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Doesn't he already have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot and don't they belong to him barring a change of the rules?

 

They're just pledged.  Sure, it says they're bound to vote for him but there is no penalty for doing what they want.

[Bozo_Casanova 26670]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Doesn't he already have enough pledged delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot and don't they belong to him barring a change of the rules?

 

What you are really asking is if their votes can be counted despite how they vote and the answer is no.

[David Dennison 19117]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

They're just pledged.  Sure, it says they're bound to vote for him but there is no penalty for doing what they want.

Hoo boy. The shit storm that would stir up would be entertaining but extremely unhelpful in November.

[Js1 85743]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Hoo boy. The shit storm that would stir up would be entertaining but extremely unhelpful in November.

There ain’t gonna be a convention floor fight. No chance. 

[David Dennison 19117]

Just now, Js1 said:

There ain’t gonna be a convention floor fight. No chance. 

I tend to agree.

But you never know.

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

🍿

Their idea goes something like this, according to a memo shared with Semafor that has been circulated to Democratic donors and bundlers as well as officials within the Biden campaign and administration:

 

• Biden would step down as the Democratic nominee in mid-July, and announce the new system, with backing from Vice President Kamala Harris.
• Potential candidates would have a few days to throw their respective hats in the ring. The Democratic Party then would begin a primary sprint in which the six candidates who receive the most votes from delegates pledge to run positive-only campaigns in the month leading up to the convention.
• The “blitz primary” would involve weekly forums with each candidate moderated by cultural icons (Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift are among the names floated in the memo) in order to engage voters.
• The nominee would ultimately be chosen by the delegates using ranked choice voting before the start of the Chicago convention on Aug. 19.
• It would be announced with plenty of fanfare on the third day of the gathering. The memo imagines the nominee unveiled on stage with Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

https://www.semafor.com/article/07/07/2024/blitz-primary-could-open-up-democratic-race-if-biden-drops-out

[David Dennison 19117]

I'm sure the Harris people are super on-board with that.

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

Just now, David Dennison said:

I'm sure the Harris people are super on-board with that.

Of course they wouldn't be because she'd lose that to Whitmer but how can she be against actual voting?

[Js1 85743]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The “blitz primary” would involve weekly forums with each candidate moderated by cultural icons (Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift are among the names floated in the memo) in order to engage voters

[chainsaw 9998]

So they're just gonna return that $100M+ in fundraising? Just for a chance to say Harris lost a "blitz primary" fair and square?

[chainsaw 9998]

The only guy I trust to moderate a blitz

[David Dennison 19117]

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Of course they wouldn't be because she'd lose that to Whitmer but how can she be against actual voting?

You mean other than the voting that already took place in which her ticket ran the table?

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

That's actually a great idea.  Laughed at the Taylor Swift part but people would watch that.

The whole process would captivate America and the Trump meltdown would be epic.

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You mean other than the voting that already took place in which her ticket ran the table?

If Biden steps aside, those delegates would be open.  It would be the same as if he wasn't the incumbent and just died or something.  

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

7 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

So they're just gonna return that $100M+ in fundraising? Just for a chance to say Harris lost a "blitz primary" fair and square?

Return it or spend on the new candidates behalf.

The new ticket would have $100M raised within a week.

[aggie08 21578]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Fuck it, dude. The GOP has successful courted the game show and reality TV crowd for decades. It would be awkward, embarrassing, completely unbecoming, and cringey as fuck...but it might just work. Now's not the time to hold onto dignity.

Mostly kidding. I think.

[David Dennison 19117]

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If Biden steps aside, those delegates would be open.  It would be the same as if he wasn't the incumbent and just died or something.  

And if he resigns and Harris becomes president?

[chainsaw 9998]

That the lord almighty Mr. Beast is not old enough to run in the blitz primary

[Js1 85743]

This talk of a blitz primary idea just because people think Harris can’t win / don’t want her to run for “reasons” so we can have a messy primary 4 months before the elections

[retread 2951]

[TexPx 2327]

Biden is President. He has immunity. Just get Soros to buy the required number of Electors.

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

20 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

And if he resigns and Harris becomes president?

Then she becomes president and they would still have a vote at the convention.

[David Dennison 19117]

8 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Then she becomes president and they would still have a vote at the convention.

Would any of the delegates be bound to Harris as president?

[WhatTheBuck 28825]

36 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This talk of a blitz primary idea just because people think Harris can’t win / don’t want her to run for “reasons” so we can have a messy primary 4 months before the elections

Gotta get someone white to run and they’ll have Michelle Obama and Oprah on hand to provide cover.

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Would any of the delegates be bound to Harris as president?

No but they probably would at that point.  She'd be the sitting president.

[hobbes2702 13150]

A blitz primary or whatever the fuck is maybe the dumbest of all the ideas. Absolute definition of shooting yourself in the dick

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

🍿

Their idea goes something like this, according to a memo shared with Semafor that has been circulated to Democratic donors and bundlers as well as officials within the Biden campaign and administration:

 

• Biden would step down as the Democratic nominee in mid-July, and announce the new system, with backing from Vice President Kamala Harris.
• Potential candidates would have a few days to throw their respective hats in the ring. The Democratic Party then would begin a primary sprint in which the six candidates who receive the most votes from delegates pledge to run positive-only campaigns in the month leading up to the convention.
• The “blitz primary” would involve weekly forums with each candidate moderated by cultural icons (Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift are among the names floated in the memo) in order to engage voters.
• The nominee would ultimately be chosen by the delegates using ranked choice voting before the start of the Chicago convention on Aug. 19.
• It would be announced with plenty of fanfare on the third day of the gathering. The memo imagines the nominee unveiled on stage with Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

https://www.semafor.com/article/07/07/2024/blitz-primary-could-open-up-democratic-race-if-biden-drops-out

This feels like a marketing scam

[chainsaw 9998]

8 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

[Aqua Buddha 14653]

The fact that Harris as sitting VP isn't the unanimous unofficial choice says a lot.  She's a known quantity at this point and she is seemingly worried about this going to a vote.

[Dbeasy 15224]

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

A blitz primary or whatever the fuck is maybe the dumbest of all the ideas. Absolute definition of shooting yourself in the dick

Agree. If you and I agree on something it must be a bad idea. 

[Sawbonz 27776]

It’s almost like dems don’t want to win

[WhatTheBuck 28825]

31 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The fact that Harris as sitting VP isn't the unanimous unofficial choice says a lot.  She's a known quantity at this point and she is seemingly worried about this going to a vote.

You’re projecting.

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26670]

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Hoo boy. The shit storm that would stir up would be entertaining but extremely unhelpful in November.

Disagree. The American voting public lives for drama.

 

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I'm sure the Harris people are super on-board with that.

 

2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Of course they wouldn't be because she'd lose that to Whitmer but how can she be against actual voting?

 Are yall familiar with the wrestling term “worked shoot?”

[Bozo_Casanova 26670]

1 hour ago, Zonahorn said:

This feels like a professional marketing scam event

Fify

[Sawbonz 27776]

Joe should get together with the big donors, party leaders, Schumer and Pelosi and agree to resign the presidency if everyone agrees to get 100% behind Harris as the 2024 nominee. Let them pick the running mate but Harris as sitting president at the top of the ticket has the best shot at winning. Fuck a VP replacement we’ve gone without before 

[Js1 85743]

5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

You’re projecting.

 

lol right? It’s like the same 3 posters who continue to post that she can’t win, it has to go to a vote, etc. 

[Sawbonz 27776]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fify

[immamac 43553]

1 hour ago, Zonahorn said:

 

This is so fucking bad. 

[Snake Diggity 4628]

5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This should be interpreted by the White House as a warning shot from the House Democratic caucus. 

 

Hard to believe this many prominent Dems would be talking like this unless at least 1 of 3 things is true:

1. There’s already a solid agreement/plan in place for Biden to drop out.

2. Dem leadership has seen such troubling signs from Biden (either polling poorly or signs of decline beyond what we’ve seen publicly) that they don’t care if turning on Biden (because he is refusing to get in line) costs them the election.  They’re willing to risk another Trump presidency rather than ride with Biden.

3. The Dems are utterly fucking stupid and needlessly tanking the election.

Edited July 7 by Snake Diggity

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[Pato del Muerto 52853]

Tay tay appears to turn 35 in December- before the inauguration but after the election.  What’s her eligibility status?

[Pods 7594]

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Tay tay appears to turn 35 in December- before the inauguration but after the election.  What’s her eligibility status?

Sounds like it's time for an actual forged birth certificate. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

22 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

3. The Dems are utterly fucking stupid and needlessly tanking the election.

This movie seems familiar 

[Deej 77160]

3 hours ago, Js1 said:

There ain’t gonna be a convention floor fight. No chance. 

There should be. The Dems are complicit in a Trump victory, otherwise. 

[WhatTheBuck 28825]

30 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Joe should get together with the big donors, party leaders, Schumer and Pelosi and agree to resign the presidency if everyone agrees to get 100% behind Harris as the 2024 nominee. Let them pick the running mate but Harris as sitting president at the top of the ticket has the best shot at winning. Fuck a VP replacement we’ve gone without before 

I don’t think there’s any way that Biden resigns the presidency. In terms of his legacy, he’d want to serve out a full term. And I don’t see any way that Harris would benefit from the artificial incumbency of a few months with the title of President vs. being Joe’s endorsed successor. Biden can still perform his presidential duties while also campaigning for her.

If Harris were to be elevated to president before the term ended then she would absolutely have to pick a VP. Otherwise, as someone pointed out earlier, one well-placed bullet would make Mike Johnson the president. That threat shouldn’t be taken lightly.

But Joe’s not resigning the presidency. No way no how. 

[Dbeasy 15224]

Whatever they do I love the idea of incorporating Taylor Swift into it. That Idiocracy move will deliver hordes of young female voters, voting all Democrat.