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Everyone is just tired of everything being a fucking existential threat since covid. It's a beating. We are staring down the barrel of a liquidity crisis, a commercial real estate crisis, a public debt crisis, a corporate debt crisis, stubborn inflation, creeping unemployment, an obesity epidemic, a constitutional crisis everything is a fucking confusing and fucked up mess. 

Cheer up man…it’s going to get MUCH worse than those things. Here’s just one to think about: do you think that Eastern Europe is less likely, or more likely, to go nuclear in response to emboldened Russian aggression? The coming American appeasement/alliance with Russia is all but guaranteed to destroy our economic alliance with Europe, lead to more and worse warfare (like appeasement of sick fucks literally ALWAYS does)….so, smile!
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1 hour ago, Duane Moore said:

First Schumer and now Jeffries. So much for congressional leadership applying pressure on Biden to step down. Unless he swallows his tongue at his “big boy” press conference on Thursday, I think we have our Democratic Party nominee. 
 

 

That’s hardly a vote of confidence. Meanwhile- 

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37 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Cheer up man…it’s going to get MUCH worse than those things. Here’s just one to think about: do you think that Eastern Europe is less likely, or more likely, to go nuclear in response to emboldened Russian aggression? The coming American appeasement/alliance with Russia is all but guaranteed to destroy our economic alliance with Europe, lead to more and worse warfare (like appeasement of sick fucks literally ALWAYS does)….so, smile!

And quite literally India (our ally and democracy in Asia) today. Like, this isn't just "bad optics you took a pic from 8 years ago when it was mildly excusable to a Putin friend." This was 7/8/2024. Their best friendmanship is disgusting. Russia ain't stopping. You are right.

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So the Democratic Party could very well split into two giant factions (Biden and Somebody Else).  The Republican Party could split into two giant factions (MAGA and traditional GOP).  

And the last time we had four, robust (not 2% L or Green) political parties was around the time of the Civil War?  

Yeah, this should be fun.  

I remember thinking around 2018 when it was apparent the Country Club/Chamber of Commerce Republicans weren't gonna reign in MAGA-nation, and thought---maybe this is how a split occurs.  We haven't had one in over a century.  But now we're gonna do fucking all four in one summer?  And by the way both Democrats and Republicans, who the fuck schedules a national implosion with just a few months to go until election day?  I have August passes to Sea World you assholes!  

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44 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s hardly a vote of confidence. Meanwhile- 

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All these maga democrats out here sowing discord and spreading disinformation for Putin

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49 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s hardly a vote of confidence. Meanwhile- 

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He won't meet with House or Senate Democrats but he'll take advice from his crackhead son.

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So much stupid in that platform...we can hash it out between now and the convention.  

#13?  Totally agree with that.  Our status as reserve currency is wildly under-appreciated and as such, completely misunderstood by most Americans.  But you back out of NATO?  That's just the excuse they need to change paper.  Historically, the strongest Navy gets to be the bearer or the global reserve currency.  We still have the strongest Navy but if nobody feels it can be called upon to protect our allies...they'll stop giving a shit.  

#7?  I like how every "As a student of the Constitution" rant pretty much ends with 2A.  Every once in awhile, you'll get a 5A or 6A from a guy in Oakleys half in the bag.  I don't think most of these dipshits, even on Capitol Hill, there's more to it.  It reminds me of an old officemate I had at an investment bank.  We shared space for about two years, helluva nice guy.  So we'd go in on Saturdays.  And the previous night, it turned out we both made the mistake of watching that movie "Pearl Harbor."  I lamented watching the whole fucking movie for three hours.  And he was saying he really liked it and thought it was actually too short.  Well, turns out his Blockbuster version didn't have the second DVD in it.  There's a second half to the Bill of Rights just like there's an annoying fucking second half of 'Pearl Harbor.'  You don't have to like it, but you're gonna have to sit through it and learn it.  And spoiler alert, at the end of the film credits--------there's 17 more fucking amendments.  You don't have to know them all by rote, or even like some of them, but there's not just the fucking first 2.  You are not Josh Hartnett, but you are just as stupid.

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22 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

So the Democratic Party could very well split into two giant factions (Biden and Somebody Else).  The Republican Party could split into two giant factions (MAGA and traditional GOP).  

And the last time we had four, robust (not 2% L or Green) political parties was around the time of the Civil War?  

Yeah, this should be fun.  

I remember thinking around 2018 when it was apparent the Country Club/Chamber of Commerce Republicans weren't gonna reign in MAGA-nation, and thought---maybe this is how a split occurs.  We haven't had one in over a century.  But now we're gonna do fucking all four in one summer?  And by the way both Democrats and Republicans, who the fuck schedules a national implosion with just a few months to go until election day?  I have August passes to Sea World you assholes! 

 

I really do think it might actually help the country if the two parties were to fracture. Maybe we get better candidates. There has to be a shade of something other than just red and blue. It hasn’t worked for people like me in a long time.

I have no idea what it would look like but I’d rather that than watch Biden at the Dem convention pull a Jerry McGuire and yell “Who’s coming with me?” and basically it’s the black caucus riding a dead donkey off a cliff. 
 

Or on the other side see a Repub platform that Trump will claim as brilliant! He wrote it! It’s amazing! Everyone in the history of historians will agree it is amazing! And a  hale bopp comet sucks most everyone up. Except the ones in the party who made a deal with the real aliens which is why spaceforce exists and Biden expanded it. 

maybe we need a third party. Maybe we are better served and can hold more ppl accountable if we aren’t going to do smart things like have fucking term limits. 

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11 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Welp, I know who the next president isn't going to be: ol' anchor baby Kamala

 

 

Lmao at this dumbass thinking he just discovered that the VPOTUS isn't eligible to be the POTUS. And I have no idea how anyone could think your citizenship status is contingent on whether your parents were...didn't think that one through very much.

It saddens me that anyone can be this big of a fool. 

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12 minutes ago, Duane Moore said:

Welp, it’s not Parkinson’s 

 

Was the White House saying it was Parkinson's?  IE, where did the notion of Parkinson's come from?

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Was the White House saying it was Parkinson's?  IE, where did the notion of Parkinson's come from?

From me and Dr. Ronnie Johnson doing blow in the West Wing bathroom at 3am awhile back.  You should hear our other conspiracy theories.  I mean, when they send those vessels down to the depths of the ocean and film those weird marine-life can live under all that water pressure?  Why don't they just grab one with like a hook thing and bring it up here to examine instead of just stare at?  

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4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Russian bot farms are pushing Parkinson’s 

 

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And another thing: I don’t have Parkinson’s. Please don’t put it in the newspaper that I got Parkinson’s.

Maybe it was malaria:

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Yeah, he said if Parkinson doesn't want to be found, we're not gonna find him. He said I could be Parkinson and you wouldn't even know.

Are you Parkinson?

No

I'm not Parkinson... that's two.
 

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You know, if I ask if you're Parkinson...you're legally obliged to tell me you're Parkinson.  Even if you're undercover Parkinson or a strain of Sacramento Malaria. 

What in the fuck with this timeline?  

 

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15 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Was the White House saying it was Parkinson's?  IE, where did the notion of Parkinson's come from?

Papers reporting that a leading neurologist who specializes in Parkinson’s had visited the White House 8 times in the last year (per visitor logs) and the WH press corps went hard after KJP on the subject today, so they needed to put out this fire. 

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14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And another thing: I don’t have Parkinson’s. Please don’t put it in the newspaper that I got Parkinson’s.

 

9 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Yeah, he said if Parkinson doesn't want to be found, we're not gonna find him. He said I could be Parkinson and you wouldn't even know.

Are you Parkinson?

No

I'm not Parkinson... that's two.
 

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10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Was the White House saying it was Parkinson's?  IE, where did the notion of Parkinson's come from?

A hit piece published by the NYTimes where "someone" tipped them off that this Parkinson's specialist had visited the WH eight whole times, neverminding the fact that in that same piece, the NYTimes says the doctor was there to see two other patients.

Moreover, the article says he visited the WH more than two dozen times during the Obama administration. They do, however, add a small note to the article that they have no idea how many times the same doctor visited during the Trump administration because that authoritarian asshole kept the visitor logs secret from the public during his four years.

Somehow, the rest of the media forgot to report all of that other stuff, I guess. (I wouldn't know since I don't watch well-coiffed cable tee-vee personalities dress up as actual journalists).

 

Parkinson’s Expert Visited the White House Eight Times in Eight Months
The White House said President Biden had met with a neurologist only three times in more than three years in office. But it would not say whether the visiting expert was consulting with the president’s physician about his health.

An expert on Parkinson’s disease from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center visited the White House eight times in eight months from last summer through this spring, including at least once for a meeting with President Biden’s physician, according to official visitor logs.

The expert, Dr. Kevin Cannard, is a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders and recently published a paper on Parkinson’s. The logs, released by the White House, document visits from July 2023 through March of this year. More recent visits, if there have been any, would not be released until later under the White House’s voluntary disclosure policy.

It was unclear whether Dr. Cannard was at the White House to consult specifically about the president or was there for unrelated meetings. Dr. Cannard’s LinkedIn page describes him as “supporting the White House Medical Unit” for more than 12 years. His biography on Doximity, a website for health professionals, lists him as a “neurology consultant to the White House Medical Unit and the physician to the president” from 2012 to 2022, which would include the administrations of Presidents Barack Obama and Donald J. Trump.

Records from the Obama administration, when Mr. Biden was vice president, show that Dr. Cannard made at least 10 visits in 2012 plus a family tour; four in 2013; one in 2014; four in 2015; and eight in 2016. Mr. Trump rescinded Mr. Obama’s voluntary White House visitors disclosure policy, so records are not available for his four years in office.

Dr. Cannard did not respond to repeated requests for comment. In a statement released at 9:40 p.m. on Monday, Dr. Kevin O’Connor, the White House physician, confirmed that Dr. Cannard had seen Mr. Biden three times during the three and a half years of his presidency, but did not directly say whether any of his other visits were related to consulting on the president’s health.

Instead, Dr. O’Connor implied that most of Dr. Cannard’s visits were related to treating other people who work at the White House. “Prior to the pandemic, and following its end, he has held regular neurology clinics at the White House Medical Clinic in support of the thousands of active-duty members assigned in support of White House operations,” Dr. O’Connor wrote.

Confirming what a White House spokesman said earlier in the day, Dr. O’Connor said that Mr. Biden had seen Dr. Cannard each year as part of his overall annual physical checkup and that the latest examination had found no sign of Parkinson’s. “President Biden has not seen a neurologist outside of his annual physical,” Dr. O’Connor wrote.

Dr. Cannard met on Jan. 17 with Dr. O’Connor as well as Dr. John Atwood, a cardiologist at Walter Reed, and another person in the early evening in the White House residence clinic, the logs showed. That meeting came a month before Mr. Biden underwent his most recent annual physical checkup at Walter Reed on Feb. 28.

In a six-page letter released after that checkup, Dr. O’Connor said the president’s medical team had conducted “an extremely detailed neurologic exam” that had yielded “no findings which would be consistent with” Parkinson’s, stroke or other central neurological disorders. Dr. O’Connor did not say whether the examination contained common tests for assessing cognitive decline or detecting signs of dementia that are often recommended for older adults.

The White House has said in recent days that there has been no reason to conduct further examination since February. Questions about Mr. Biden’s health, and specifically about Parkinson’s, have proliferated since his disastrous debate performance against Mr. Trump on June 27. In interviews with ABC News on Friday and MSNBC on Monday, Mr. Biden said he had the equivalent of a neurological exam every day because of the pressure of presidential duties.

The visitor logs, which have also been reported by other news organizations, including The New York Post and The Guardian, indicated that Dr. Cannard’s first recorded visit to the White House during the Biden administration was on Nov. 15, 2022. The records indicate that he was visiting Joshua Simmons, whose title is not listed.

Dr. Cannard’s eight more recent visits started on July 28, 2023, when he was listed as meeting with Megan Nasworthy, a White House liaison to Walter Reed. She was listed as the person visited for seven of those meetings, which consistently occurred early, between 7 and 9 a.m. on Fridays, with the exception of the last meeting, which occurred on Thursday, March 28, the day before Good Friday. The logs note a 10th visit that appeared to be for a family tour of the White House.

Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said that while the president always travels with regular doctors, “he has not seen specialists in Delaware,” where he has private residences.

Around the time of the first meetings, Dr. Cannard published a research paper in the journal Parkinsonism & Related Disorders on the early stages of Parkinson's.

An array of neurologists who have not personally examined Mr. Biden said they observed symptoms in his public appearances that were consistent with Parkinson’s or a related disease, such as hypophonic speech, forward flexed posture, a shuffling gait, masked face and irregular speech pattern. But they emphasized that a specific diagnosis could not be given without firsthand examination.

White House officials said that Mr. Biden had shown no signs of Parkinson’s and that Dr. O’Connor found no reason to re-evaluate Mr. Biden for the disease since his physical in February. Mr. Bates also said the president has never taken Levodopa or other drugs for that condition.

In his interview with ABC News on Friday, Mr. Biden declined to agree to an independent neurological and cognitive exam. “I get a cognitive test every day,” he said, meaning that the exceptional challenges of the presidency effectively tested him on a daily basis.

Calling into “Morning Joe” on MSNBC on Monday morning, Mr. Biden insisted again that his confusion and halting performance at the debate were an aberration due in part to an infection or other minor ailment, and were not a sign of a larger medical issue.

“If there was something that was wrong that night, it’s not like it comes and that’s one night and it goes away,” he said. “That’s why I’ve been out. I’ve been testing myself, testing everywhere I go. Going out and making the case. The night of that debate, I went out. I was out until 2 o’clock in the morning that very night. That very night. It drives me nuts, people talking about this.”

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Maybe the neurologist was primarily treating his peripheral neuropathy. Crazy thought. He does objectively display some traits of parkisonism. Those could be explained by any variety of things other than parkinson's disease. A medical cover up here seems unlikely to me. Top flight neurologist goes to white house isn't compelling in itself. 

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29 minutes ago, bolverk said:

A hit piece published by the NYTimes where "someone" tipped them off that this Parkinson's specialist had visited the WH eight whole times, neverminding the fact that in that same piece, the NYTimes says the doctor was there to see two other patients.

Moreover, the article says he visited the WH more than two dozen times during the Obama administration. They do, however, add a small note to the article that they have no idea how many times the same doctor visited during the Trump administration because that authoritarian asshole kept the visitor logs secret from the public during his four years.

Somehow, the rest of the media forgot to report all of that other stuff, I guess. (I wouldn't know since I don't watch well-coiffed cable tee-vee personalities dress up as actual journalists).

 

Parkinson’s Expert Visited the White House Eight Times in Eight Months
The White House said President Biden had met with a neurologist only three times in more than three years in office. But it would not say whether the visiting expert was consulting with the president’s physician about his health.

An expert on Parkinson’s disease from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center visited the White House eight times in eight months from last summer through this spring, including at least once for a meeting with President Biden’s physician, according to official visitor logs.

The expert, Dr. Kevin Cannard, is a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders and recently published a paper on Parkinson’s. The logs, released by the White House, document visits from July 2023 through March of this year. More recent visits, if there have been any, would not be released until later under the White House’s voluntary disclosure policy.

It was unclear whether Dr. Cannard was at the White House to consult specifically about the president or was there for unrelated meetings. Dr. Cannard’s LinkedIn page describes him as “supporting the White House Medical Unit” for more than 12 years. His biography on Doximity, a website for health professionals, lists him as a “neurology consultant to the White House Medical Unit and the physician to the president” from 2012 to 2022, which would include the administrations of Presidents Barack Obama and Donald J. Trump.

Records from the Obama administration, when Mr. Biden was vice president, show that Dr. Cannard made at least 10 visits in 2012 plus a family tour; four in 2013; one in 2014; four in 2015; and eight in 2016. Mr. Trump rescinded Mr. Obama’s voluntary White House visitors disclosure policy, so records are not available for his four years in office.

Dr. Cannard did not respond to repeated requests for comment. In a statement released at 9:40 p.m. on Monday, Dr. Kevin O’Connor, the White House physician, confirmed that Dr. Cannard had seen Mr. Biden three times during the three and a half years of his presidency, but did not directly say whether any of his other visits were related to consulting on the president’s health.

Instead, Dr. O’Connor implied that most of Dr. Cannard’s visits were related to treating other people who work at the White House. “Prior to the pandemic, and following its end, he has held regular neurology clinics at the White House Medical Clinic in support of the thousands of active-duty members assigned in support of White House operations,” Dr. O’Connor wrote.

Confirming what a White House spokesman said earlier in the day, Dr. O’Connor said that Mr. Biden had seen Dr. Cannard each year as part of his overall annual physical checkup and that the latest examination had found no sign of Parkinson’s. “President Biden has not seen a neurologist outside of his annual physical,” Dr. O’Connor wrote.

Dr. Cannard met on Jan. 17 with Dr. O’Connor as well as Dr. John Atwood, a cardiologist at Walter Reed, and another person in the early evening in the White House residence clinic, the logs showed. That meeting came a month before Mr. Biden underwent his most recent annual physical checkup at Walter Reed on Feb. 28.

In a six-page letter released after that checkup, Dr. O’Connor said the president’s medical team had conducted “an extremely detailed neurologic exam” that had yielded “no findings which would be consistent with” Parkinson’s, stroke or other central neurological disorders. Dr. O’Connor did not say whether the examination contained common tests for assessing cognitive decline or detecting signs of dementia that are often recommended for older adults.

The White House has said in recent days that there has been no reason to conduct further examination since February. Questions about Mr. Biden’s health, and specifically about Parkinson’s, have proliferated since his disastrous debate performance against Mr. Trump on June 27. In interviews with ABC News on Friday and MSNBC on Monday, Mr. Biden said he had the equivalent of a neurological exam every day because of the pressure of presidential duties.

The visitor logs, which have also been reported by other news organizations, including The New York Post and The Guardian, indicated that Dr. Cannard’s first recorded visit to the White House during the Biden administration was on Nov. 15, 2022. The records indicate that he was visiting Joshua Simmons, whose title is not listed.

Dr. Cannard’s eight more recent visits started on July 28, 2023, when he was listed as meeting with Megan Nasworthy, a White House liaison to Walter Reed. She was listed as the person visited for seven of those meetings, which consistently occurred early, between 7 and 9 a.m. on Fridays, with the exception of the last meeting, which occurred on Thursday, March 28, the day before Good Friday. The logs note a 10th visit that appeared to be for a family tour of the White House.

Andrew Bates, a White House spokesman, said that while the president always travels with regular doctors, “he has not seen specialists in Delaware,” where he has private residences.

Around the time of the first meetings, Dr. Cannard published a research paper in the journal Parkinsonism & Related Disorders on the early stages of Parkinson's.

An array of neurologists who have not personally examined Mr. Biden said they observed symptoms in his public appearances that were consistent with Parkinson’s or a related disease, such as hypophonic speech, forward flexed posture, a shuffling gait, masked face and irregular speech pattern. But they emphasized that a specific diagnosis could not be given without firsthand examination.

White House officials said that Mr. Biden had shown no signs of Parkinson’s and that Dr. O’Connor found no reason to re-evaluate Mr. Biden for the disease since his physical in February. Mr. Bates also said the president has never taken Levodopa or other drugs for that condition.

In his interview with ABC News on Friday, Mr. Biden declined to agree to an independent neurological and cognitive exam. “I get a cognitive test every day,” he said, meaning that the exceptional challenges of the presidency effectively tested him on a daily basis.

Calling into “Morning Joe” on MSNBC on Monday morning, Mr. Biden insisted again that his confusion and halting performance at the debate were an aberration due in part to an infection or other minor ailment, and were not a sign of a larger medical issue.

“If there was something that was wrong that night, it’s not like it comes and that’s one night and it goes away,” he said. “That’s why I’ve been out. I’ve been testing myself, testing everywhere I go. Going out and making the case. The night of that debate, I went out. I was out until 2 o’clock in the morning that very night. That very night. It drives me nuts, people talking about this.”

Dr. Cannard? Really?

 

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2 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

End inflation eh?  Just end it?  You just gotta will it into being?  Like a Thanos snap?  Man, if only Biden and the Dems knew that. 
 

These are the dumbest people. 

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

The Republican Party could split into two giant factions (MAGA and traditional GOP).  

This has already happened, I would not call the latter "giant," and they are functionally Democrats now. There is no non-MAGA portion of the GOP anymore. 

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It can't be real, he's not wearing his lady's sports-watch to golf.  AI forgets details sometimes.  Or he's too fucking fat to put it on, either way...

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3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Highly functional nomination system we have within the constraints of this two party system. Real shame that we can't think of a better way to do this democracy thing.  

We do have a better way: ranked choice voting. It's been in practice globally in other democracies, and has been successfully implemented in state elections here in the US. It consistently reduces extremism in the politics thanks to the voting structure meant to actually determine consensus, and not just playing political games

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

We do have a better way: ranked choice voting. It's been in practice globally in other democracies, and has been successfully implemented in state elections here in the US. It consistently reduces extremism in the politics thanks to the voting structure meant to actually determine consensus, and not just playing political games

That's kind of how it worked out in France, where they hold elections in two rounds, unless an outright majority is reached in the first one. It gives people a chance a) to think about it and b) build coalitions to block dangerous extremists.

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4 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

End inflation eh?  Just end it?  You just gotta will it into being?  Like a Thanos snap?  Man, if only Biden and the Dems knew that. 
 

These are the dumbest people. 

End inflation while bringing manufacturing back to the US. Meanwhile, deport the people who would actually take those manufacturing jobs.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!!

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