2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[LCHorn 2529]

12 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

we don’t have kings. People vote. And people voted already. Levin is telling Biden to ignore the voters.

The antidemocratic position is taking the choice away from the voters who have selected their nominee for president.

People have voted for a nominee is fundamentally impaired relative to who he was six months ago.  Let's exaggerate your position a little bit--you think the Dems should run the same ticket if Biden was diagnosed with Alzheimer's today, just because they had a primary election that concluded a month ago?

I'm not suggesting we try to run the country by polls, but the VOTERS are saying "hey, that vote we cast?  We'd like to take it back."  To ignore that is a great way to lose the election. 

[hobbes2702 12516]

Just now, DixonHur said:

I care, but if you don't want my vote, that's your choice.  

My point is I don't have as much to lose as many Dem voters, so cast us aside at your own risk.  

[Nicole44 21954]

17 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I still wish Joe would pass the torch, but I have to admit I like his attitude. 

Please let this be real. I want that! 

[Bateshorn 9542]

38 minutes ago, Red Five said:

@Bateshorn Is this thread pretty much what DC looks like right about now?

[hobbes2702 12516]

2 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

People have voted for a nominee is fundamentally impaired relative to who he was six months ago.  Let's exaggerate your position a little bit--you think the Dems should run the same ticket if Biden was diagnosed with Alzheimer's today, just because they had a primary election that concluded a month ago?

I'm not suggesting we try to run the country by polls, but the VOTERS are saying "hey, that vote we cast?  We'd like to take it back."  To ignore that is a great way to lose the election. 

No they haven’t. Just because you only started paying attention for 15 mins during the debate doesn’t make him impaired.

He doesn’t have Alzheimer’s so it’s irrelevant. He’s not mentally unfit so that’s a terrible example.

Levin can say what he thinks, but his position supports taking the vote away from the voters. That is the very definition of anti democratic 

[DixonHur 10837]

2 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

People have voted for a nominee is fundamentally impaired relative to who he was six months ago.  Let's exaggerate your position a little bit--you think the Dems should run the same ticket if Biden was diagnosed with Alzheimer's today, just because they had a primary election that concluded a month ago?

I'm not suggesting we try to run the country by polls, but the VOTERS are saying "hey, that vote we cast?  We'd like to take it back."  To ignore that is a great way to lose the election. 

The fact that some are pretending the Dems had a real primary in the first place is laughable.

Quick, name another candidate from the Dem primaries?  

[hobbes2702 12516]

Marianne Williamson. She and the others got 14 million less votes than Joe Biden combined. 
Just because you don’t know who else ran doesn’t mean they didn’t run.

Edited July 12 by hobbes2702

[Bateshorn 9542]

Honestly, this is a better gif for the city rn.  I'm going to get absolutely shit ass tonight. 

 

[Loch Ness Monster 3529]

At least the Dems can be democratic and polite if they lose?

Seems the GQP may tear it all down and play by different rules soon but we shall wait and see.

[DixonHur 10837]

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

No they haven’t. Just because you only started paying attention for 15 mins during the debate doesn’t make him impaired.

He doesn’t have Alzheimer’s so it’s irrelevant. He’s not mentally unfit so that’s a terrible example.

Levin can say what he thinks, but his position supports taking the vote away from the voters. That is the very definition of anti democratic 

This is your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but we wouldn't be hearing leaks from insiders if there wasn't concern within the party.

You guys are the ones talking about how important this election is, yet you're ok running a clearly impaired Joe Biden when people within and without the party are raising the alarm.  

Interesting strategy that I give about a 5% chance of succeeding.  I think Kamala raises it to 15% and Whitmer 25%.

[Pam Cummings 9416]

35 minutes ago, Goredho said:

This thread is pretty pointless now.  Everyone's regurgitating the same takes, myself included.  Nobody's mind is being changed, and no one here has any real insight or pull to influence what the Democratic party does.  Its not even a debate about what the best course of action is anymore.  It's about having a refuge so as to maintain morale and having reinforcement that everything is on track.  If ya'll need that, who am I to deny it?

My only hope is that the people that do have insight and influence are acting accordingly and making the best decisions.  That they seem pretty non committal and divided on Joe's future does not instill confidence in me that things are under control and going according to plan.  That also aligns with what I've personally witnessed from Biden at the debate and yesterday.

But hey, by all means, keep the faith.

In like two weeks people will have been conditioned to just know that Biden is old as fuck. You guys seem to think that social media and the two second attention span of the average person only benefits conservatives.

[hobbes2702 12516]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This is your opinion, and you're welcome to it, but we wouldn't be hearing leaks from insiders if there wasn't concern within the party.

You guys are the ones talking about how important this election is, yet you're ok running a clearly impaired Joe Biden when people within and without the party are raising the alarm.  

Interesting strategy that I give about a 5% chance of succeeding.  I think Kamala raises it to 15% and Whitmer 25%.

You keep saying clearly impaired. Either you haven’t paid attention or you’re lying. Hes been old, he hasn’t been impaired unless you use those two words interchangeably.

And here we go again, you want your specific preferred candidate because fascism isnt that big of a deal for you.

Edited July 12 by hobbes2702

[StassneyHorn 6429]

16 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Perhaps, I wasn't clear.  The question was in terms of telling people who they had to vote for.  Independents aren't a party, so we don't get to choose the nominees.  Meaning we either vote R, D, or stay home.  

For me, the GQP is hopeless, so voting R is not an option, and Dems are basically telling independents to support a candidate they don't like or shut the fuck up.  Which is their right.  But some of us don't think Biden can win and are putting forth other options, within the Dem party, that we think would have a better chance to beat Trump by motivating independents.

And we're greeted by people like @Js1 and @hobbes2702, who are basically telling us we suck, we're trolls, or that there's no such thing as an independent.  Which is their right but make no mistake, the Dems need independents more than independents need them.

You have four years of results from both individuals right now to base your decision on for both the Presidency and future makeup of Supreme Court and you think it’s more important to get your dick sucked as an “independent” who hasn’t voted for a Republican in 20 years.

[DixonHur 10837]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Marianne Williamson. She and the others got 14 million less votes than Joe Biden combined. 
Just because you don’t know who else ran doesn’t mean they didn’t run.

No that's an LOL.

Yep, you proved me wrong.  Marianne Williamson, the author who's never held public office, totally had a legit opportunity to unseat Joe.

[hobbes2702 12516]

Just now, DixonHur said:

No that's an LOL.

Yep, you proved me wrong.  Marianne Williamson, the author who's never held public office, totally had a legit opportunity to unseat Joe.

It’s almost like Democratic voters wanted the guy who they voted for as President to run again or something. Weird.

Its very cute that you think there’s someone who had a legit opportunity to unseat the sitting president. 

1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

You have four years of results from both individuals right now to base your decision on for both the Presidency and future makeup of Supreme Court and you think it’s more important to get your dick sucked as an “independent” who hasn’t voted for a Republican in 20 years.

Is it still getting your dick sucked if it’s self fellatio. At some point that’s more like giving head than receiving I bet.

[MrBig 5160]

21 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Get a fucking grip. If you actually watched the debate or any public appearances after you wouldn’t post this. The reality of what’s going on with Biden is he’s old. He’s not senile, he’s not gonna die tomorrow. It’s the exact same reality it was in 2020 with less hair.

I never said Biden was senile. You are conflating my concerns about his age with some MAGA asshole who is calling Biden senile. This does a great disservice to anyone who has an opinion about Biden’s age because it brands them as being disloyal to the party and against the pursuit of preserving democracy for questioning Biden’s age. We all saw what we saw at the debate and some people in the Democratic Party have finally decided to do something even if it pisses off hardline Biden loyalists. 

[DixonHur 10837]

Just now, StassneyHorn said:

You have four years of results from both individuals right now to base your decision on for both the Presidency and future makeup of Supreme Court and you think it’s more important to get your dick sucked as an “independent” who hasn’t voted for a Republican in 20 years.

Nope.  Already stated I'm voting Dem, but I live in Texas.

My concern comes from conversations with friends in swing states, and polling showing independents are not enthusiastic about voting for Biden.  Period.

As a Texas voter, I ultimately have no say in the matter.  My preference for Whitmer is as much electoral geography as anything else.

[DixonHur 10837]

Anyway, off to drink bourbon at Still Austin. 

I'll be wearing a tee for the band Michigander if anyone wants to meet up to discuss further over a bourbon.  I'll buy the first round.

[Nicole44 21954]

Historical question: has there ever been a primary on the incumbent side that’s ever unseated the incumbent? 

[StassneyHorn 6429]

11 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Nope.  Already stated I'm voting Dem, but I live in Texas.

My concern comes from conversations with friends in swing states, and polling showing independents are not enthusiastic about voting for Biden.  Period.

As a Texas voter, I ultimately have no say in the matter.  My preference for Whitmer is as much electoral geography as anything else.

Texas is one of the ten closest states and will be decided by less than 5 points.

[Loch Ness Monster 3529]

Seems likely Biden wins the Dem primary even if the big dogs in the party ran against him. At the same time maybe Biden doesn't give the Dems the best chance in the general election. Ah well.

[hobbes2702 12516]

1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

Texas is one of the ten closest states and will be decided by less than 5 points.

Good thing all those independents are serious people. We might actually flip this bitch…

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

26 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Marianne Williamson. She and the others got 14 million less votes than Joe Biden combined. 
Just because you don’t know who else ran doesn’t mean they didn’t run.

C'mon man. There was no real primary contest. 

 

[immamac 41615]

13 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Anyway, off to drink bourbon at Still Austin. 

I'll be wearing a tee for the band Michigander if anyone wants to meet up to discuss further over a bourbon.  I'll buy the first round.

Wish I didn't have to solo dad. 

[hobbes2702 12516]

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

C'mon man. There was no real primary contest. 

 

No shit there wasn’t. Because too many people voted for Joe for president, and then were happy with his presidency. 
Acting like the voters didn’t choose their candidate is flat incorrect. Taking that choice away from them is undemocratic.

There was nothing stopping Whitmer or anyone else from running, other than the not having voters thing.

Edited July 12 by hobbes2702

[Bullneck 18691]

Watching the Michigan campaign event on MSNBC.  Damn, this woman is killing it.

(Biden says she's Pastor Rudolph AME)

Fuck, this crowd is off the chain.

Edited July 12 by Bullneck

[David Dennison 17754]

15 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

C'mon man. There was no real primary contest. 

Whose fault is that?

Edited July 12 by David Dennison

[LCHorn 2529]

30 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You keep saying clearly impaired. Either you haven’t paid attention or you’re lying. Hes been old, he hasn’t been impaired unless you use those two words interchangeably.

Old, impaired, whatever.  You appear to be quite confident of his mental fitness.  I guess you're one of the 30% of Americans that doesn't think he's too old. 

The problem from an electoral standpoint is you're a minority. 

32 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s almost like Democratic voters wanted the guy who they voted for as President to run again or something. Weird.

You're also presuming those voters would make the same decision today. 

[MrBig 5160]

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

Watching the Michigan campaign event on MSNBC.  Damn, this woman is killing it.

What’s her name? She killed it by just stating facts! 

[David Dennison 17754]

Just now, LCHorn said:

Old, impaired, whatever.  You appear to be quite confident of his mental fitness.  I guess you're one of the 30% of Americans that doesn't think he's too old. 

The problem from an electoral standpoint is you're a minority. 

You're also presuming those voters would make the same decision today. 

Some of us thought he was too old four years ago.

Ironically, some of us also voted for the dude older than Joe Biden.

Ahhhh, politics.

[hobbes2702 12516]

1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

Old, impaired, whatever.  You appear to be quite confident of his mental fitness.  I guess you're one of the 30% of Americans that doesn't think he's too old. 

The problem from an electoral standpoint is you're a minority. 

You're also presuming those voters would make the same decision today. 

No i absolutely think he’s too old as I’ve said many many times on this website. He’s not impaired. Those words don’t mean the same thing.

Im not presuming anything. I’m simply pointing out that throwing their votes away is not democratic. I’m not sure how you can think otherwise.

1 minute ago, MrBig said:

What’s her name? She killed it by just stating facts! 

I owe you an apology. You were correct that I had you conflated with another poster.

[hobbes2702 12516]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Some of us thought he was too old four years ago.

Ironically, some of us also voted for the dude older than Joe Biden.

Ahhhh, politics.

No one said we were consistent 

[Js1 82948]

6 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Watching the Michigan campaign event on MSNBC.  Damn, this woman is killing it.

(Biden says she's Pastor Rudolph AME)

Fuck, this crowd is off the chain.

I can’t wait to see him go after Project 2025 tonight 

[Rimbo 25223]

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MAJOR NEWS:

Any post-debate Trump lead is now 100% GONE.

Even the 538 forecast (which has been overstating GOP support in recent years) now shows Biden back in the lead as of today:

 

[Loch Ness Monster 3529]

21 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Historical question: has there ever been a primary on the incumbent side that’s ever unseated the incumbent? 

Nope! An incumbent President has never lost their primary in modern US history.

Even Jimmy Carter won his primary and then he lost in the general election cause most of America didnt want him. Reminds me of this election a lot actually.

[Bullneck 18691]

Biden is feeding off the energy.  If he had been this way during the debate this race would be over, Johnny.

[MrBig 5160]

“Lock him up!?!”

 

[bolverk 29035]

 

[Art Vandelay 1705]

7 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Biden is feeding off the energy.  If he had been this way during the debate this race would be over, Johnny.

I love this Joe. More please.

[Pancho 42224]

[Hammerin Hank 1207]

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Which talking points do you think a 53 yo, white, straight, cis, land-owning, male with enough money to retire overseas tomorrow should worry about?

Maybe you should worry about the talking points that adversely affect those that are less fortunate than you 

[Js1 82948]

1 minute ago, Hammerin Hank said:

Maybe you should worry about the talking points that adversely affect those that are less fortunate than you 

“First they came for…” doesn’t ring a bell for him I guess 

[Bullneck 18691]

8 minutes ago, MrBig said:

“Lock him up!?!”

 

Biden recounting Trumps sins.  Including bankrupting a casino.  Wow.  The best 10 minutes in TV.

[closetohumping 17287]

15 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

No one said we were consistent 

You’re not allowed to change your mind in America!!

[MrBig 5160]

Slam dunk with the Donald “Herbert Hoover” Trump, injecting bleach in the arm, Hannibal Lecter, RAPED HER, RAPIST, bankruptcy and failed casinos even though the house should win reference. The gloves are off. I like this Spicy Joe. If he’s gonna ramble, let’s fucking let him do it for 11,780 minutes to fuck with Trump. 

[Js1 82948]

Just now, closetohumping said:

You’re not allowed to change your mind in America!!

[immamac 41615]

Is dark Brandon coming back? 

[jimmyjazz 45162]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

You guys are the ones talking about how important this election is, yet you're ok running a clearly impaired Joe Biden when people within and without the party are raising the alarm.  

Interesting strategy that I give about a 5% chance of succeeding.  I think Kamala raises it to 15% and Whitmer 25%.

I disagree that he is clearly "impaired" and I completely disagree with your numbers.  So, where does that put us?  Is it OK to disagree or are you fucking omnipotent?  

[Art Vandelay 1705]

2 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Slam dunk with the Donald “Herbert Hoover” Trump, injecting bleach in the arm, Hannibal Lecter, RAPED HER, RAPIST, bankruptcy and failed casinos even though the house should win reference. The gloves are off. I like this Spicy Joe. If he’s gonna ramble, let’s fucking let him do it for 11,780 minutes to fuck with Trump. 

This is the way.

[Js1 82948]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I disagree that he is clearly "impaired" and I completely disagree with your numbers.  So, where does that put us?  Is it OK to disagree or are you fucking omnipotent?  

He’s an independent so he’s smarter and better looking and more successful than us stupid party folk