2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Dnaguy 11565]

12 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Why not VP Shapiro to back Harris? Why should Harris play 2nd fiddle to a relatively unknown governor?

Contrasts. 
 

If Trump is the machismo candidate that is winning over young men, men of color, and boomer white dusters…. Why go with a woman of color. Seems to be playing into a trap.

Best ticket to beat Trump IMO is Newsom with Warnock. 
I have no polling to back this up however.

Kamila would have to publicly sign off on it though. I assume there would have to be a backroom deal on making her a Justice on SCOTUS or the AG for her to ok it bc you’ll need her out there hammering abortion talking pts. I think she’s likely the best surrogate to prosecute reason 1,567,359 that another Trump presidency is not ideal.

[Js1 82948]

46 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Harris/Shapiro is getting really popular on the socials

Sign me up right now 

[wildcat09 28485]

If Biden steps aside it’s Harris. I really don’t know why any of y'all still think it could be anybody else. We’ve had candidates picked by democratic primaries for the last 50+ years. Throwing all the votes away to let some big donors select their own preferred candidate, when we’re in an election to save American democracy, would be an insane thing to do.

[Js1 82948]

24 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

If Biden steps aside it’s Harris. I really don’t know why any of y'all still think it could be anybody else. We’ve had candidates picked by democratic primaries for the last 50+ years. Throwing all the votes away to let some big donors select their own preferred candidate, when we’re in an election to save American democracy, would be an insane thing to do.

But you know why they keep saying it 

[WhatTheBuck 28604]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

Contrasts. 

White man vs. white man is contrast?

[Aqua Buddha 14107]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Harris/Shapiro is getting really popular on the socials

Her husband is Jewish.  Shapiro is Jewish.

Right wing MAGA Twitter would be off the charts.

[Js1 82948]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Her husband is Jewish.  Shapiro is Jewish.

Right wing MAGA Twitter would be off the charts.

They already are because JD Vance’s wife is brown and their kid is brown with a brown name lol

[Snake Diggity 4548]

Harris and a qualified VP from a swing state probably has the best odds of actually happening and actually beating Trump.  That means a VP of Whitmer, Shapiro, Kelly, Evers, or Cooper.  I can’t think of a qualified VP candidate from Georgia.

It is just really hard for me to believe that this many prominent democrats would be coming out against Biden if it wasn’t a foregone conclusion that he won’t be the nominee.

Edited July 18 by Snake Diggity

[South Austin 51564]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

Harris/Shapiro is getting really popular on the socials

[mdmost 42316]

24 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Harris and a qualified VP from a swing state probably has the best odds of actually happening and actually beating Trump.  That means a VP of Whitmer, Shapiro, Kelly, Evers, or Cooper.  I can’t think of a qualified VP candidate from Georgia.

It is just really hard for me to believe that this many prominent democrats would be coming out against Biden if it wasn’t a foregone conclusion that he won’t be the nominee.

Can't be another woman. If we're a country of moderates who lean misogynist, you have to put a man up there with Kamala as VP. Shapiro or Kelly makes the most sense. Shapiro is a good answer to Vance. Rust Belt governor of the single most important state in this election now. 

Edited July 18 by mdmost

[Woodrow Call 493]

https://x.com/JamieJBartlett/status/1813853989261164611

 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14107]

11 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Can't be another woman. If we're a country of moderates who lean misogynist, you have to put a man up there with Kamala as VP. Shapiro or Kelly makes the most sense. Shapiro is a good answer to Vance. Rust Belt governor of the single most important state in this election now. 

Unfortunately, you are correct.  If Whitmer were a man, she'd be the 100% obvious choice.  30% (or more) of people's heads would explode if there were two women.

Shaprio is Jewish which won't matter to a wide number of people but the "GEORGE SOROS!!!!" crowd will be off the charts.

Kelly from Arizona is an excellent choice, IMO.

[Chuckie Finster 22285]

20 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Can't be another woman. If we're a country of moderates who lean misogynist, you have to put a man up there with Kamala as VP. Shapiro or Kelly makes the most sense. Shapiro is a good answer to Vance. Rust Belt governor of the single most important state in this election now. 

Additionally, Pennsylvania Constitution states that the Lt. Gov. (also a Dem) would serve the rest of Shapiro's term.  Kelly's vacancy would result in a special election, which may be too risky given the current margins. 

[Js1 82948]

5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Additionally, Pennsylvania Constitution states that the Lt. Gov. (also a Dem) would serve the rest of Shapiro's term.  Kelly's vacancy would result in a special election, which may be too risky given the current margins. 

In 2026. Interim until then. But yeah

[Aqua Buddha 14107]

 

[SurlyGator 822]

The comment under the meme is better than the meme.  Nutjobs abound on both sides.

[jimmyjazz 45162]

12 hours ago, Pancho said:

Or he resigns, Harris becomes 47, and then trunp and his team have to order new merch with 48 put on it which they can’t do because they are poor

I like the way you think.

[Aqua Buddha 14107]

3 minutes ago, SurlyGator said:

The comment under the meme is better than the meme.  Nutjobs abound on both sides.

I'm legit surprised on how half of America thinks the assassination attempt was staged and the other half thinks it was an inside job.  

[Dnaguy 11565]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

White man vs. white man is contrast?

I’m saying that Kamila is such a contrast.

Joe beat trump in 2020 by stealing enough of the white suburban folks and men IMO.

Maybe I’m wrong.

[Bozo_Casanova 25822]

51 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Can't be another woman. If we're a country of moderates who lean misogynist, you have to put a man up there with Kamala as VP. Shapiro or Kelly makes the most sense. Shapiro is a good answer to Vance. Rust Belt governor of the single most important state in this election now. 

Disagree- if there was ever an election to lean into the dignity of women as human beings with inalienable rights, this is it. We need the aunties, the tias, the meemaws, the Angela’s, the Beckies, the Karens, thots, prudes, e-girls, waifish art history majors who smoke cigarettes, instagram models, cleat chasers, mousey women who work for the state, we need all of them to vote and save America. Men are a lost cause at this point.

[Bateshorn 9542]

My issue with Shapiro is he's smallish. I'm a bit with Trump on liking my Politicians to look like politicians, and that means some height in men. And I say that as a manlet.

Luckily Harris is short, as is JD Vance. 

Edited July 18 by Bateshorn

[jimmyjazz 45162]

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Disagree- if there was ever an election to lean into the dignity of women as human beings with inalienable rights, this is it. We need the aunties, the tias, the meemaws, the Angela’s, the Beckies, the Karens, thots, prudes, e-girls, waifish art history majors who smoke cigarettes, instagram models, cleat chasers, mousey women who work for the state, we need all of them to vote and save America. Men are a lost cause at this point.

I halfway agree with you.  Swing for the fences.  Why not?  Make Roe V Wade the biggest issue, tout the economy, hammer on Trump's felony convictions.

[Dahobbs 17180]

21 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'm legit surprised on how half of America thinks the assassination attempt was staged and the other half thinks it was an inside job.  

What if it was unintentionally both? Would be a hell of a movie. 

[hookem2010 2533]

I'm too lazy to look, but if the D's end up nominating someone else, how often in our history have we had 3 different presidents elected in 3 consecutive elections? 

[Pescado_Rojo 19235]

44 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Additionally, Pennsylvania Constitution states that the Lt. Gov. (also a Dem) would serve the rest of Shapiro's term.  Kelly's vacancy would result in a special election, which may be too risky given the current margins. 

Yea, I think Kelly is too important where he is. How deep is the D bench in Az? Outside of Gallego, who's left that's popular enough statewide (or at least in the greater PHX area) to hold onto that seat? Katie Hobbs? Then who becomes gov? 

[Aqua Buddha 14107]

11 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

My issue with Shapiro is he's smallish. I'm a bit with Trump on liking my Politicians to look like politicians, and that means some height in men. And I say that as a manlet.

Luckily Harris is short, as is JD Vance. 

How tall are these people?  (We all know Trump is 6'3" and 215.)

[Aqua Buddha 14107]

1 minute ago, hookem2010 said:

I'm too lazy to look, but if the D's end up nominating someone else, how often in our history have we had 3 different presidents elected in 3 consecutive elections? 

In the 70's we went from Nixon to Ford to Carter but Ford wasn't elected so there's that.  I'd have to say somewhere in the first half of the 20th century or in the 1800's or some such.

[hookem2010 2533]

I'll add barring death/assassination***

[mdmost 42316]

2 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

I'm too lazy to look, but if the D's end up nominating someone else, how often in our history have we had 3 different presidents elected in 3 consecutive elections? 

Barring death/assassination, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln. 

[Chuckie Finster 22285]

Just now, hookem2010 said:

I'm too lazy to look, but if the D's end up nominating someone else, how often in our history have we had 3 different presidents elected in 3 consecutive elections? 

Reagan-Bush-Clinton the most recent.  Not exactly the question you asked, but there were 7 different presidents in the 7 election cycles between 1956 and 1980.

[hookem2010 2533]

Well look at the big history brains on the doctor!

[NAVY 6667]

15 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Disagree- if there was ever an election to lean into the dignity of women as human beings with inalienable rights, this is it. We need the aunties, the tias, the meemaws, the Angela’s, the Beckies, the Karens, thots, prudes, e-girls, waifish art history majors who smoke cigarettes, instagram models, cleat chasers, mousey women who work for the state, we need all of them to vote and save America. Men are a lost cause at this point.

We need 88 lines about 44 women (archetypes) 

 

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5712]

1 hour ago, Snake Diggity said:

Harris and a qualified VP from a swing state probably has the best odds of actually happening and actually beating Trump.  

Biden/Harris have the best odds of beating Donald. The media is doing a hell of a job right now 

[Red Five 40274]

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Reagan-Bush-Clinton the most recent.  Not exactly the question you asked, but there were 7 different presidents in the 7 election cycles between 1956 and 1980.

Obama Trump Biden.

[mdmost 42316]

The scary scenario is the Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland one that we may be facing soon where a guy was president, lost in the next election, and then was elected after that.  

Edited July 18 by mdmost

[hookem2010 2533]

I guess there have been a few. But this would potentially be 3 consecutive presidents without any serving two consecutive terms. I really jacked up my question. Apologies 

[Chuckie Finster 22285]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Obama Trump Biden.

stop with the facts please

[mdmost 42316]

3 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Reagan-Bush-Clinton the most recent.  Not exactly the question you asked, but there were 7 different presidents in the 7 election cycles between 1956 and 1980.

Yeah but Reagan and Obama were term limited. You would've had a new president regardless. 

[Sawbonz 26808]

15 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

aunties, the tias, the meemaws, the Angela’s, the Beckies, the Karens, thots, prudes, e-girls, waifish art history majors who smoke cigarettes, instagram models, cleat chasers, mousey women who work for the state

['stache 21520]

4 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

I guess there have been a few. But this would potentially be 3 consecutive presidents without any serving two consecutive terms. I really jacked up my question. Apologies 

I get it, I think the question really is how many times have there been two one termers in a row?

[texastough 1096]

26 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Disagree- if there was ever an election to lean into the dignity of women as human beings with inalienable rights, this is it. We need the aunties, the tias, the meemaws, the Angela’s, the Beckies, the Karens, thots, prudes, e-girls, waifish art history majors who smoke cigarettes, instagram models, cleat chasers, mousey women who work for the state, we need all of them to vote and save America. Men are a lost cause at this point.

Women like the idea of voting for a woman, but when an actual candidate is out there they start to nitpick her and end up voting for a man.  

I thought E. Warren was a great candidate last time, and was floored by how many women I talked to were dogging her -- more or less for stylistic rather than policy reasons. Wake up sheeple

[hookem2010 2533]

Yea, Warren was my favorite candidate last cycle. Didn't really understand why she couldn't gain any momentum.

[WBT 20212]

14 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Reagan-Bush-Clinton the most recent.  Not exactly the question you asked, but there were 7 different presidents in the 7 election cycles between 1956 and 1980.

I'm assuming he meant for re-elections to not count or it would be Obama, Trump, Biden.

[South Austin 51564]

14 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The scary scenario is the Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland one that we may be facing soon where a guy was president, lost in the next election, and then was elected after that.  

I'd kill for Grover Cleveland right now.

[Dahobbs 17180]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

I'd kill for Grover Cleveland right now.

Interesting choice of phrase given recent events...

5 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Yea, Warren was my favorite candidate last cycle. Didn't really understand why she couldn't gain any momentum.

I agree, but also I bolded your answer. 

[hookem2010 2533]

3 minutes ago, WBT said:

I'm assuming he meant for re-elections to not count or it would be Obama, Trump, Biden.

Correct. All those years of higher learning and I can't even pose a simple hypothetical.

[Js1 82948]

3 minutes ago, hookem2010 said:

Yea, Warren was my favorite candidate last cycle. Didn't really understand why she couldn't gain any momentum.

Crowded primary. Hard to just say it’s just bc “woman.” 

If you’re going to win a Dem primary, you better figure out how to appeal strongly to black voters. Hillary and Biden both buried their competition with black voters. I’m not saying their ideas weren’t popular in the party, but both Bernie and Warren from lily white New England didn’t gain any traction with them 

[South Austin 51564]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

Interesting choice of phrase given recent events...

Fair point.  I'd shoot off someone's ear for Grover Cleveland right now.

[Brisketexan 103515]

10 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Disagree- if there was ever an election to lean into the dignity of women as human beings with inalienable rights, this is it. We need the aunties, the tias, the meemaws, the Angela’s, the Beckies, the Karens, thots, prudes, e-girls, waifish art history majors who smoke cigarettes, instagram models, cleat chasers, mousey women who work for the state, we need all of them to vote and save America. Men are a lost cause at this point.

Great analysis.  Except it misses one key thing: perhaps the most devastating, crippling misogynists in the world are....other women.  Men are a lost cause, but nominating a minority female will boost the turnout of shitty men.  And if you think we'll make up the gap because women will be enthusiastic and support Kamala...you haven't been paying attention to how shitty women, particularly white women, are.  See the breakdown from 2016:

Yes, "things have changed since then."  I think that in the aggregate, they've gotten worse, not better.  Women are not coming to save us.  The Karens from the burbs are going to show up in force to support the candidate who hates minorities as much as they do.  And a lot of other women "just can't trust a woman to make such big decisions," because believe it or not, plenty of women are as misogynist as men.

Nobody is coming to save us. And we are incapable of saving ourselves.  Self-immolation is our destiny.

[Brisketexan 103515]

21 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The scary scenario is the Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Grover Cleveland one that we may be facing soon where a guy was president, lost in the next election, and then was elected after that.  

 

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I'd kill for Grover Cleveland right now.

Beat me to it.  I'd give your left nut for Grover Cleveland on the ballot.