2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

Shapiro can and will campaign hard for Kamala in PA as Governor. I don't understand why he'd have to be on the ticket in order to win the state. Hell, many Pennsylvanians would probably be pissed if he left the governorship after 18 months. 

 

 

[Horndog 2149]

22 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Someone on tv is going to call her “uppity” by the end of the week. 

To be fair, I think he said "college" sorority. Not "colored."

[Francisco 2.0 31922]

Well, I have to do some real, solid, actual work today.  More than 15 minutes worth, I'm afraid.  So, in the spirit of messageboard brother/sisterhood, please keep the thread under at least 20 new pages by 3 or so.  Thanks all!

 

 

 

 

[mdmost 42316]

2 minutes ago, Horndog said:

To be fair, I think he said "college" sorority. Not "colored."

No he said colored. 

[South Austin 51564]

1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, I have to do some real, solid, actual work today.  More than 15 minutes worth, I'm afraid. 

You're young and you got your health. What you want with a job?

[Zonahorn 7921]

More. Overt. Racism. MOAR

Edited July 24 by Zonahorn

[Ted Lange 15924]

34 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Someone on tv is going to call her “uppity” by the end of the week. 

[Biff Tannen 45013]

7 minutes ago, mdmost said:

No he said colored. 

Eh, it could go either way.  My take away was actually 1) I don't recall anyone thinking she was a bad VP choice for Biden, as he asserted and 2) I'm glad she's not going to the bullshit "speech" by Bibi in OUR OWN FUCKING CONGRESS, where he shouldn't fucking be in the first place.  I have no idea why they are letting him do that.  It's an unforced error and giving a right-wing psychopath yet another unfettered soapbox for no reason.

[LTbear 4044]

10 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, I have to do some real, solid, actual work today.  More than 15 minutes worth, I'm afraid.  So, in the spirit of messageboard brother/sisterhood, please keep the thread under at least 20 new pages by 3 or so.  Thanks all!

 

 

 

 

+1

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11508]

10 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

do some real, solid, actual work

[Dnaguy 11565]

50 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

i love that episode so much.

[mdmost 42316]

No, no. He said COLLEGE not COLORED......

So I have to ask from a total state of ignorance. I don't watch Fox. Is the dude on the left not having 2nd thoughts any time DEI is brought up in his presence? Does he not think, "I wonder if they think I'm a DEI hire"? Or do you have to be so in the tank or delusional to think they don't ever have those same conversations about you?

['stache 21520]

Vance speaks magalese perfectly and is supported by a maga billionaire. He’s not going anywhere.

[tchookem 3895]

I'd throw out any norms with Presidential elections this cycle. Vance is a weak link and everyone knows it. Even if they try to hide him Dems will continue to pounce. Trump won't be able to handle the embarrassment. 

You mean to tell me, the guy that ran off every somewhat qualified person in his cabinet wasn't able to choose a decent VP candidate?

Where's that list of all the people Trump ran off? It's going to look like that Cleveland Browns QB jersey.

[Js1 82948]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

No, no. He said COLLEGE not COLORED......

So I have to ask from a total state of ignorance. I don't watch Fox. Is the dude on the left not having 2nd thoughts any time DEI is brought up in his presence? Does he not think, "I wonder if they think I'm a DEI hire"? Or do you have to be so in the tank or delusional to think they don't ever have those same conversations about you?

It doesn’t apply to THEM. You should know this by now 

[David Dennison 17754]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

It doesn’t apply to THEM. You should know this by now 

[Dutchrudder 10976]

If Mark Kelly gets you Arizona, then he has to be the pick. I know he's well liked in that state and a lock for reelection in a few years, but the electoral math gets much easier if Arizona is in the blue column.  I also love his background as a Navy Pilot who was flying missions in Desert Storm, and as a NASA pilot who flew several shuttle missions and spent a good amount of time aboard the ISS. The contrast of someone who actually fought for their country and appreciates science with the fat fuck orange mongoloid who constantly shits all over both of those subjects will let the Dems have a field day with this campaign. 

Oh and when Mark's wife was shot at a campaign event, nearly died and had severe brain injuries, he retired from NASA to go help her recover and do physical therapy instead of fucking porn stars and leaving her. The stark contrast and family values he can bring to the ticket would be a huge asset, and potentially set him up to be next in line after Harris. 

[Js1 82948]

Just now, Dutchrudder said:

If Mark Kelly gets you Arizona, then he has to be the pick. I know he's well liked in that state and a lock for reelection in a few years, but the electoral math gets much easier if Arizona is in the blue column.  I also love his background as a Navy Pilot who was flying missions in Desert Storm, and as a NASA pilot who flew several shuttle missions and spent a good amount of time aboard the ISS. The contrast of someone who actually fought for their country and appreciates science with the fat fuck orange mongoloid who constantly shits all over both of those subjects will let the Dems have a field day with this campaign. 

Oh and when Mark's wife was shot at a campaign event, nearly died and had severe brain injuries, he retired from NASA to go help her recover and do physical therapy instead of fucking porn stars and leaving her. The stark contrast and family values he can bring to the ticket would be a huge asset, and potentially set him up to be next in line after Harris. 

Isn’t this the fun part? The bench is so damn deep and we aren’t even hearing some legit names in contention like Warnock, Ossoff, Pete, Chris Murphy, Booker, Whitmer, Moore. The bench is DEEP for the future 

[The Royal We 3051]

11 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

More. Overt. Racism. MOAR

I hope the Buttered Biscuit sitting with them is real uncomfortable every time they start yammering on about DEI, woke, urban, etc. Is he going to snap when one of them drops the hard R n-bomb they so badly want to drop?

[Aqua Buddha 14107]

6 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

If Mark Kelly gets you Arizona, then he has to be the pick. I know he's well liked in that state and a lock for reelection in a few years, but the electoral math gets much easier if Arizona is in the blue column.  I also love his background as a Navy Pilot who was flying missions in Desert Storm, and as a NASA pilot who flew several shuttle missions and spent a good amount of time aboard the ISS. The contrast of someone who actually fought for their country and appreciates science with the fat fuck orange mongoloid who constantly shits all over both of those subjects will let the Dems have a field day with this campaign. 

Oh and when Mark's wife was shot at a campaign event, nearly died and had severe brain injuries, he retired from NASA to go help her recover and do physical therapy instead of fucking porn stars and leaving her. The stark contrast and family values he can bring to the ticket would be a huge asset, and potentially set him up to be next in line after Harris. 

Agree all around.  Harris herself brings GA and if she wins AZ, she wins NV.  Get those and you don't have to win the three Midwestern states, although if you're winning those three, you're likely running the table.

[Dutchrudder 10976]

Just now, Js1 said:

Isn’t this the fun part? The bench is so damn deep and we aren’t even hearing some legit names in contention like Warnock, Ossoff, Pete, Chris Murphy, Booker, Whitmer, Moore. The bench is DEEP for the future 

Absolutely, they have a ton of options that makes this VP pick a luxury at this point, and lets them focus on what will help win the election, rather than who their BMDs want to choose. It's also great to let this pick come slowly so that all these candidates get some more national exposure to the electorate and allow them to position themselves and the party for more gains in the future. You know some of these term limited governors are going to wind up in Cabinet positions or maybe running for a Senate seat in the future, and they could be doing great things down the line. 

Contrast that with the R's and their seemingly defacto pick for a few weeks was sunk by her own biography because she thought a story about putting down a dog was relevant to who she is. And their current VP pick is a guy who may or may not have American Pie'd a latex glove stuck in a couch cushion. Just incredible to behold.  

[Zonahorn 7921]

10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Isn’t this the fun part? The bench is so damn deep and we aren’t even hearing some legit names in contention like Warnock, Ossoff, Pete, Chris Murphy, Booker, Whitmer, Moore. The bench is DEEP for the future 

Come a long way since 2016

[Js1 82948]

Just now, Zonahorn said:

Come a long way since 2016

Difference between the two parties - Dems lost in 2016 and ran a lot of very impressive candidates in 18/20/22. GOP lost in 2020 and just run retreads and losers 

[ConferenceRoom 5969]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Difference between the two parties - Dems lost in 2016 and ran a lot of very impressive candidates in 18/20/22. GOP lost in 2020 and just run retreads and losers 

Herschel Walker is a winner, sir. 

[Biff Tannen 45013]

15 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Oh and when Mark's wife was shot at a campaign event, nearly died and had severe brain injuries, he retired from NASA to go help her recover and do physical therapy instead of fucking porn stars and leaving her. The stark contrast and family values he can bring to the ticket would be a huge asset, and potentially set him up to be next in line after Harris. 

When was the last time any Dem even mentioned the dotard's infidelity?  I know we just had a whole court case about it, but I don't recall any politicians actually taking this easy layup against the "party of family values".

[Js1 82948]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

When was the last time any Dem even mentioned the dotard's infidelity?  I know we just had a whole court case about it, but I don't recall any politicians actually taking this easy layup against the "party of family values".

Man if you’re gonna talk about it, you better have a squeaky clean background and not pull a Cal Cunningham 

[Zonahorn 7921]

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13295]

I don’t know exactly what that guy said or meant to say but there is little reason to say college sorority vs sorority. No one calls those orgs college sororities  

still I would always error on the side of caution to not call someone a racist until they obviously prove otherwise. 

[Dutchrudder 10976]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

When was the last time any Dem even mentioned the dotard's infidelity?  I know we just had a whole court case about it, but I don't recall any politicians actually taking this easy layup against the "party of family values".

It's been a while, but I think your point goes to show why it was so important to replace Biden. He wasn't really campaigning, he wasn't doing the dirty work of politics and mudslinging, he couldn't make a cogent argument during the debate and throw it back in Trump's face. Harris will do that, her VP pick will as well.  

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13406]

43 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Even if they try to hide him Dems will continue to pounce. Trump won't be able to handle the embarrassment. 

Saaaay, you're one of them Vancey Lads!

[Js1 82948]

[RomaVicta 29500]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don’t know exactly what that guy said or meant to say but there is little reason to say college sorority vs sorority. No one calls those orgs college sororities  

still I would always error on the side of caution to not call someone a racist until they obviously prove otherwise. 

It's also rare for anyone to say "colored." I despise the guy, but we don't need to stretch to find examples of what is wrong with him and the hateful party he shills for.

The Black man on the end looks like a hostage.

[Jive Turkey 12323]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

The irony of an immigrant autistic homosexual New Zealander running shit for the GQP is rich.

Ah, but the Australian-born, 4-time divorced (now currently married to a Russian molecular biologist) MAGA empowering media mogul warned against Vance.

Quite the conundrum for America First Trump.

Edited July 24 by Jive Turkey

[tchookem 3895]

Man if you’re gonna talk about it, you better have a squeaky clean background and not pull a Cal Cunningham 

This. It just opens the door to a bunch of whataboutism that may not even apply to the person that brings it up. The payoff just isn't enough.

Unless... you have some idiot that says Trump is Godly. But you'll only see those idiots at the Thanksgiving table, and we all know it doesn't matter what we say to our Step-Uncle.

[Goredho 17164]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Vote.org says it got a 700% spike in new registrations in the 2 days after Biden dropped out, mostly voters under 34. Higher spike than after Taylor Swift’s instagram post 

The kids are all right.

[cmontexas 3209]

Harris Kelly has a great ring to it

[ConferenceRoom 5969]

1 minute ago, Goredho said:

The kids are all right.

[UpperWestside 6017]

5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Trump is pretty much the dumbest president ever …..

Extreme low IQ, I’ll guess low 70’s (if he can read) 

He can’t count to potato much less read. 

[dcbc 14235]

52 minutes ago, Horndog said:

To be fair, I think he said "college" sorority. Not "colored."

I put my ear right up to the speaker.  I listened to it closely and objectively.  He said "colored."

[Goredho 17164]

55 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, I have to do some real, solid, actual work today.  More than 15 minutes worth, I'm afraid.  So, in the spirit of messageboard brother/sisterhood, please keep the thread under at least 20 new pages by 3 or so.  Thanks all!

 

 

 

 

No.

56 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Well, I have to do some real, solid, actual work today.  More than 15 minutes worth, I'm afraid.  So, in the spirit of messageboard brother/sisterhood, please keep the thread under at least 20 new pages by 3 or so.  Thanks all!

 

 

 

 

Double post

[Goredho 17164]

Im kinda worried surlyhorns bbs software attained sentience.

[Js1 82948]

Not a bad idea to vet him now for a possible Higher role in her admin 

[Hank Kingsley 19998]

Good. Throw everyone's hat in the ring. Dem voters will be happy with whoever is picked if every legit option is considered. 

 

[Disco Strangler 1865]

19 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I put my ear right up to the speaker.  I listened to it closely and objectively.  He said "colored."

[wildcat09 28485]

We’re gonna end up with like 30 different trial balloons for the VP pick. Beshear is still my favorite but Walz is really growing on me. “Get a load of these freaks!” is the right message and he’s on it already.

[Js1 82948]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

We’re gonna end up with like 30 different trial balloons for the VP pick. Beshear is still my favorite but Walz is really growing on me. “Get a load of these freaks!” is the right message and he’s on it already.

The good thing is there is no rush to throw someone out there while she’s still re-introducing herself to most voters. Let everyone speculate and do the vetting and announce it prior to and closer to the convention  

Edited July 24 by Js1

[TexEx15 17068]

 

[C-Man 26617]

Trump is going to try and "Willie Horton" Kamala.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-planning-to-willie-horton-kamala

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DONALD TRUMP’S CAMPAIGN IS PREPARING a full-scale blitz on Vice President Kamala Harris, with broadsides on her record that borrow from the ad that came to define dog-whistle politics.

The question is not just whether it will work, but whether Republicans—including the former president himself—will have the discipline to keep the racial subtext of their new strategy from becoming the text.

In the 24 hours since Joe Biden announced he was ending his re-election campaign, Trump and his fellow Republicans have been put on the defensive for the first time in more than a month. Their response was broad, flailing, and conspiratorial, accusing Democrats of staging a coup, suggesting the president faked his COVID diagnosis, and even floating the notion that Biden might be dead.

The frenetic reaction left Democrats gleeful, confident that Harris had scrambled a race that seemed static. But it also belied the game plan that the Trump campaign and its allied groups have been crafting for this very scenario, in which the vice president suddenly took center stage.

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“We see her as a candidate now, and we’re holding the bucket of paint to define her at a time of our choosing,” Chris LaCivita, the Trump campaign’s co-manager, told The Bulwark. “She owns the Biden record. We’ve got everything ready for what she did as [District Attorney in San Francisco]. And she was part of the coverup with Biden’s fitness to serve.”

The Trump campaign’s internal polling indicates that Harris’s involvement in Biden’s immigration policy and her record number of tie-breaking votes on Biden’s various spending bills, including the Inflation Reduction Act, are vulnerabilities, according to campaign insiders familiar with the research. But they see her real weaknesses in specific elements of her record as a prosecutor and her positions on criminal justice issues more broadly.

In the weeks ahead, the Trump campaign is signaling that it plans to focus on a Minnesota bail fund Harris supported while a presidential candidate during the George Floyd protests in 2020; her 2004 refusal to seek the death penalty for a man who murdered a San Francisco police officer; and the decision by her district attorney’s office in 2007 to give probation to a man who went on to commit a brutal assault.

A Harris spokesman pointed to a news story showing that the probation given to that man, DeVaughndre Broussard, was consistent with the punishment for first-time offenders, and that the individual who killed the San Francisco police officer got a life sentence and didn’t walk free.

That spokesman, Ammar Moussa, said it was Trump’s criminal record that would haunt him.

“Vice President Kamala Harris has held criminals accountable her entire career—and Donald Trump will be no different,” Moussa said.

One Trump adviser dubbed the Harris cases “several Willie Hortons,” relating them to the infamous attack ad against presidential candidate Michael Dukakis. Sen. Lloyd Bentsen, who was Dukakis’s running mate, and Democrat Jesse Jackson both criticized the ad as racist. The spot reshaped the politics of criminal justice for years to come, according to the Marshall Project. 

Trump has not yet mentioned those episodes from Harris’s past. That might be because he’s still focused more on Biden (or at least his Truth Social posts are), or it could be that he’s waiting for a more opportune time to focus on Harris. He also has a tendency to ad-lib when it comes to launching attacks against his opponent—often using his social media account as a personal bullhorn to amplify whatever he has seen on the news. 

In conversations with The Bulwark, Trump advisers say the attacks on Harris’s record are focused on the outcomes of her policies, not race. Prior to Biden’s withdrawal, the Trump campaign was attacking the president for a number of killings by migrants allowed into the United States in the past three years. Trump’s current pollster and adviser, Tony Fabrizio, was one of the Republican operatives involved with the Willie Horton ad.

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Trump has not shied away from injecting race squarely into politics. A quick Google search will return a plethora of examples that have been roundly criticized: He helped spread the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States, attacked the judge in the Trump University case as “Mexican,” and has consistently used epithets like “racist” against black prosecutors and lawyers in his civil and criminal trials that he doesn’t use against white lawyers. As president, he reportedly distinguished between immigrants from Northern Europe and those from “shithole” countries like Haiti and the countries of Africa. 

Given the former president’s inclinations, Trump confidants and advisers are bracing for the candidate to ratchet up the rhetoric beyond what the campaign had planned and move from defensible criticisms of Harris’s record into open racial animus.

“Trump leads this campaign,” said one. “So we’re ready for him to call her a DEI hire by Biden, and we’ll see what we see when that happens.”

Race was already playing an important role in the Trump campaign prior to Biden dropping out. The former president picked JD Vance as his running mate in part to stem the hemorrhaging of support from white males Republicans suffered between 2016 and 2020. Vance’s first campaign ad in 2022 mocked critics for calling conservatives racists over restrictionist immigration policies.

While Trump advisers believe the racial issues that benefited the Biden-Harris ticket in 2020 have abated, the election dynamics have taken on a new dimension with Harris—the first black woman vice president and the likely first black woman to run for president as a major party nominee—atop the ticket.

On Monday, Vance showed the challenges of running a race-related campaign when he went off script at a hometown rally while trying to criticize Democrats for calling voter ID racist.

“Democrats say that it is racist to believe—well, they say it's racist to do anything. I had a Diet Mountain Dew yesterday and one today. I’m sure they're going to call that racist, too,” he said, to scattered applause.

The Harris campaign’s Twitter account quickly highlighted the video clip and Vance’s “awkward laughing.”

Harris’s entry into the race has given Democrats a new sense of enthusiasm about the campaign, with the vice president raising more than $80 million in the 24-hour period after Biden announced he would end his bid.

Trump-world believes that the glow Harris enjoys now will eventually be replaced by a harsh spotlight. “She’s going to have her honeymoon,” said a Trump campaign official. “But all the happy-happy will go away when she has to talk about her record.”

Going after Harris won’t represent an abrupt turn for Trump world. For months, the former president’s campaign had prepared to target Harris, even with Biden atop the ticket. A month before the debate, the Trump campaign put together two confidential memos gaming out scenarios in which Democrats would replace Biden on the ticket.

Though they initially believed Biden would survive his disastrous debate, their attitude changed as Democrats piled on the president to leave the race. By Thursday, some Trump aides had grown certain of the shakeup to come. Trump adviser Brian Hughes was among them. In earshot of MAGAville at the Republican convention, he bet a GOP congressman that the president would quit the ticket within four days.

As the likelihood of Biden dropping out became apparent, the Trump campaign began beefing up its opposition-research book and poll-testing ways to attack Harris. Among other questions, the campaign explored how much voters identified the vice president with the administration’s failures, whether they take her seriously, and the degree to which they think she’s a “California liberal,” according to insiders familiar with the research.

To move more quickly through the honeymoon phase, the Trump campaign is likely to accelerate its plans for advertising on TV. It spent next to nothing on paid ads in the general election because Biden, unlike Harris, is so well-defined, according to those who know the campaign’s strategy.

But one minute after Biden announced his withdrawal on Sunday, the pro-Trump super PAC MAGA Inc. posted a new adon Twitter. The group announced the spot would air in Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona as part of a $5 million buy. 

On Monday, Trump insisted to CNN that it “will be easier to beat” Harris. But elsewhere, it seemed evident that he wasn’t pleased with the positive press Harris received, and that he wanted to face the 81-year-old Biden instead.

“Now we have to start all over again,” Trump complained.

 

[David Dennison 17754]

39 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don’t know exactly what that guy said or meant to say but there is little reason to say college sorority vs sorority. No one calls those orgs college sororities  

still I would always error on the side of caution to not call someone a racist until they obviously prove otherwise. 

He's on Fox News, isn't he?

[ConferenceRoom 5969]

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Trump is going to try and "Willie Horton" Kamala.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-planning-to-willie-horton-kamala