2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Biff Tannen 45738]

57 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Top 2 issues are economy and immigration. 

God dammit people.

Economy is the best on earth and continuing to get better and immigration was purposely scuttled by trump.  This isn't hard.

[Francisco 2.0 32428]

The JD couch story is the gift that keeps on giving:

 

 

 

 

 

[TexArcher 38066]

I crack up every time I hear a Republican bitch about the economy on Facebook or wherever else.

Fox News could tell you that the grass is purple now because of Joe Biden and you'd all bitch about how the grass used to be green under Trump without even bothering to look out at your own front lawns to see if they're really purple now.  You moronic little sock puppets.

[mdmost 43050]

Yep. Lay out how the economy has improved since 2020 while acknowledging we still have a ways to go but we can get there by ______. On immigration, lay out exactly what the border bill would've done and then constantly show Trump happily talking about killing the bill.

[immamac 43045]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

God dammit people.

Economy is the best on earth and continuing to get better and immigration was purposely scuttled by trump.  This isn't hard.

Also we don't really have that big of a migrant issue at the moment. It's kind of like this boogie man that doesn't have any data supporting it. 

The main gripe is the burden they place on the social welfare system without paying in, but I'm not sure the data is there to really support that theory from what I've looked at. 

The economy is a strange thing globally right now, everyone printed a different amount of money during COVID so the supply chains have normalized and the new reality of less complete reliance on China exclusively for manufacturing is working it's self through the system adjusting prices and the new taxes etc. The next phase is figuring out what to jubilee globally and how you reconcile the different central bank strategies to provide liquidity during the global pandemic crisis. 

That's not to say growth numbers aren't good right now in the US, it's just to say it's hard to really understand what that means in terms of real growth vs the natural rate vs a spread of liquidity or currency exchange. 

[Pancho 44995]

Some of you are in the wrong lane when it comes to the Obama stuff and why he didn’t endorse early. Just tell you’re friends “that’s not true” and keep it moving.

[South Austin 52603]

3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

I lost it.

[mdmost 43050]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Some of you are in the wrong lane when it comes to the Obama stuff and why he didn’t endorse early. Just tell you’re friends “that’s not true” and keep it moving.

Yeah I feel the Obama stuff is an angry Biden person who feels Obama didn't help Joe enough. Obama has shown he's trying to be like W and stay above the fray. It's a tad gutless but it does keep with ex-president tradition. 

[Pancho 44995]

 

[Js1 85574]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

God dammit people.

Economy is the best on earth and continuing to get better and immigration was purposely scuttled by trump.  This isn't hard.

I used to dig deep into polling data about what Republican voters cared about and it was terrifying six years ago.  These people have such a warped perception of reality it’s no wonder we get someone like Trump. Another problem I have with polling data is the questions they don’t ask.  Like how best to address our actual real problems that go ignored or completely ignoring corruption as an issue entirely. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19224]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I hear from someone in a position to know that Manchin is extremely unhappy with Kamala’s swift consolidation of delegates and ascent to the nomination. He genuinely believes she can’t win, doesn’t like her politics, and we can speculate that he actually thought he had a chance to win the nomination or at least play kingmaker. 
 

There’s also a rumor circulating that Obama is furious about Kamala locking it up so quickly because he wanted Kelly. 
 

TLDR: DEMS IN DISARRAY 

Munchkin don't mean shit.  No one outside his jackoff state gives a fuck about him and most of them don't either.

[MissingInAction 25187]

15 minutes ago, immamac said:

Also we don't really have that big of a migrant issue at the moment. It's kind of like this boogie man that doesn't have any data supporting it. 

The main gripe is the burden they place on the social welfare system without paying in, but I'm not sure the data is there to really support that theory from what I've looked at. 

The economy is a strange thing globally right now, everyone printed a different amount of money during COVID so the supply chains have normalized and the new reality of less complete reliance on China exclusively for manufacturing is working it's self through the system adjusting prices and the new taxes etc. The next phase is figuring out what to jubilee globally and how you reconcile the different central bank strategies to provide liquidity during the global pandemic crisis. 

That's not to say growth numbers aren't good right now in the US, it's just to say it's hard to really understand what that means in terms of real growth vs the natural rate vs a spread of liquidity or currency exchange. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26553]

37 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I have a little bit of a fear that it’s hard to move people this late in the race. Once you’ve opened your mind to voting for somebody, you start considering their good points and maybe playing defense for their positions. Changing this late feels to some like an admission that they were wrong. No one wants to do that.

That’s reasonable, but I am actually quite hopeful and compare this to 2016.

in 2016 a large number of Hillary voters (including me) were very unhappy with their option, and Democrats in general weren’t very enthusiastic about Her campaign. Republicans, by contrast were 100% enthusiastic about beating her and a plurality of Trump voters were positively giddy about their choice.

2024 feels the opposite way. A large number of Kamala voters are giddy about it, and Democrats in general are very (as of Sunday) enthusiastic and hopeful about beating Trump, while Republicans in general seem unhappy, grim, and directionless while also appearing to take victory for granted.

Edited July 25 by Bozo_Casanova

[Red Five 40895]

17 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yep. Lay out how the economy has improved since 2020 while acknowledging we still have a ways to go but we can get there by ______. On immigration, lay out exactly what the border bill would've done and then constantly show Trump happily talking about killing the bill.

The economy has improved. The stock market is up. Oil production is way up. Crime is down. Oh and immigrants are less likely to commit crimes, so shove the whole "immigrant crime wave" up your ignorant asses.

[The Dog 44140]

23 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

God dammit people.

Economy is the best on earth and continuing to get better and immigration was purposely scuttled by trump.  This isn't hard.

It's inflation. It's a side effect of rapid growth. Interest rates going up (which is necessary to deal with it) makes things worse for your pocketbook.

Democrats need to do a much better job telling people that Trump killed the border bill. Kamala needs to really lean into this and push hard.

Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s reasonable, but I am actually quite hopeful and compare this to 2016.

in 2016 a large number of Hillary voters (including me) were very unhappy with their option, and Democrats in general weren’t very enthusiastic about Her campaign. Republicans, by contrast were 100% enthusiastic about beating her and a plurality of Trump voters were positively giddy about their choice.

2024 feels the opposite way. A large number of Kamala voters are giddy about it, and Democrats in general are very enthusiastic and hopeful about beating Trump, while Republicans in general seem unhappy, grim, and directionless while also appearing to take victory for granted.

Kamala helps to solve the "double haters" issue - especially when it's two old white guys who struggle to complete a sentence. 

[TexPx 2324]

True but you also need to keep yourself better than them. People need to see there's an alternative that aren't a bunch of unhappy shitbags pining for a time where black people, women, and other minorities were 2nd class citizens. 

[TexEx15 17568]

Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I feel like the biggest problem had been enthusiasm. With that taken care of, I feel like this should be an easy win. Yes Trump has a large and loud base, but it wasn’t enough in 2020 and he’s has done nothing to grow it since then. In fact it seems like he has probably only turned people off since then. Yes the maga dipshits are louder than ever but they alone can’t win this for Trump. With the enthusiasm issue solved it feels like this should go the Dems way in November. 

[Constant 6755]

27 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yep. Lay out how the economy has improved since 2020 while acknowledging we still have a ways to go but we can get there by ______. On immigration, lay out exactly what the border bill would've done and then constantly show Trump happily talking about killing the bill.

I hope they are capable of such clear and concise messaging. It is really very simple. Trump wants to paint a chaotic picture when, in reality, it’s pretty damn good right now. 

[Brisketexan 105336]

39 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

I really feel like it's a changing of the guard. The boomers aren't even being thought about. Who gives a fuck what Manchin, Pelosi, Obama, etc thinks. 

The important thing about the Boomers is that as a voting group, they don't fucking matter.  Don't get me wrong, their votes count, and there are a lot of votes....but they are ossified and set.  Any time or effort spent trying to persuade a Boomer to vote a certain way is time and effort much better spent on someone who actually 1) might change their vote or 2) might get off their ass and vote, whereas before, they weren't going to.

The Boomer vote is locked in, in both directions.  Cool.  Let them be what they will be, and spend your effort working on everyone else.

28 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Yep. As soon as Kamala accepts the nomination, she’ll have Obama’s full-throated endorsement. He’s just waiting until it’s official. 

ISWYDT.

26 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

God dammit people.

Economy is the best on earth and continuing to get better and immigration was purposely scuttled by trump.  This isn't hard.

This.

"Under the Biden/Harris administration, the US economy outperformed EVERY major economy in the world.  We outperformed every EU economy.  We outperformed China.  The inflation rate went down faster and lower in the US than in any other major economy.  We are doing better than everyone else.  You are welcome, because we have been and will continue to work for YOU to keep the US as the economic leader of the world."

"We have worked with all Americans, and with leaders of both parties, to improve our immigration process and better secure our border.  We helped craft the greatest piece of comprehensive immigration reform and improvement legislation in modern history.  But Donald Trump didn't want America to get that win.  He decided that America should lose, so he would have an issue to run on.  So, let's be clear -- the first step in immigration reform, if that's something you want, is to get Donald Trump out of the way.  Get the biggest obstructionist in American History to go back to his country club, and let the adults, from both parties, work to make our country and our border better."

[South Austin 52603]

3 minutes ago, TexPx said:

I think you can go high while at the same time questioning why there is no evidence that JD Vance did not have sex with a couch.

[babysdaddy 2728]

good statement on yesterday's bullshit

 

 

 

[South Austin 52603]

That was played pretty damn well.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, TexEx15 said:

Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I feel like the biggest problem had been enthusiasm. With that taken care of, I feel like this should be an easy win. Yes Trump has a large and loud base, but it wasn’t enough in 2020 and he’s has done nothing to grow it since then. In fact it seems like he has probably only turned people off since then. Yes the maga dipshits are louder than ever but they alone can’t win this for Trump. With the enthusiasm issue solved it feels like this should go the Dems way in November. 

Elon buying Twitter was an enormous blow that can’t really be measured.  I think this gets overlooked in the discussion.  Another cryptofashy dipshit getting that weapon was one of the worst things to happen over the last four years. 

[Js1 85574]

NBC: Obama on the verge of endorsing Harris; plans in the work to appear together on the campaign trail 

[South Austin 52603]

Just now, Js1 said:

NBC: Obama on the verge of endorsing Harris; plans in the work to appear together on the campaign trail 

So, why "on the verge"?  Why wait?  Is this just timing staged to add another jolt of excitement?  

[The Dog 44140]

Just now, South Austin said:

So, why "on the verge"?  Why wait?  Is this just timing staged to add another jolt of excitement?  

sustain the momentum.

[Brisketexan 105336]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So, why "on the verge"?  Why wait?  Is this just timing staged to add another jolt of excitement?  

I believe the correct term is "edging."  Makes the money shot better.

Or so I've been told by the experts in the pornosphere.  I mean, so a friend of mine has been told.

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[G650 14277]

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So, why "on the verge"?  Why wait?  Is this just timing staged to add another jolt of excitement?  

I believe Obama has some of the best sense of timing of any pol in my life.

[South Austin 52603]

Just now, Zonahorn said:

 

Let's hope a large number of his MAGA legion who has believed all of his bullshit so far sops this up as well.

[Constant 6755]

3 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So, why "on the verge"?  Why wait?  Is this just timing staged to add another jolt of excitement?  

Gotta have the hits spread throughout. I hope Taylor Swift gets involved in a few weeks when her tour wraps for a break. Perfect timing for her to throw her gasoline around. We need an all hands on deck approach. Stifle these fucks with powerful people they can’t even dream of. 

[DixonHur 11376]

2 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

Sounds like he's planting the seeds of doubt early this year so he can claim election fraud.

[SimonBolivar 10959]

8 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So, why "on the verge"?  Why wait?  Is this just timing staged to add another jolt of excitement?  

Yes, the same reason it wasn't day one for Pelosi, Schumer, and Jeffries.

 

The slow burn for maximum attention.

[Brisketexan 105336]

5 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

 

The DNC 100% needs to have as many plants on social media and such as possible selling that message.  The ultimate measure of support for Trump is NOT voting; voting is for deep state libtards.  Register your patriotic protest by refusing to play the communist libtards' "voting" game!

[Bozo_Casanova 26553]

19 minutes ago, TexPx said:

New motto: when they do low we call them weird nerds and knock them down and hit them with their own hands while shouting “why are you hitting yourself,” until their toadies slink away, lest the same happen to them.

[mdmost 43050]

When they fuck couches, we do not. 

[Brisketexan 105336]

Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

New motto: when they do low we call them weird nerds and knock them down and hit them with their own hands while shouting “why are you hitting yourself,” until their toadies slink away, lest the same happen to them.

FUCK.

YES.

You can't convince these fucking psychos and weirdos that they're wrong....but you CAN shame and embarrass them enough that they stay home.  We don't need a few million Trump supporters to change their votes to Harris.  We just need them to stay home.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26553]

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

NBC: Obama on the verge of endorsing Harris; plans in the work to appear together on the campaign trail 

People, whatcha doing? I wanna know

 

[Pancho 44995]

 

[CooterBrown 18028]

4 minutes ago, Constant said:

Gotta have the hits spread throughout. I hope Taylor Swift gets involved in a few weeks when her tour wraps for a break. Perfect timing for her to throw her gasoline around. We need an all hands on deck approach. Stifle these fucks with powerful people they can’t even dream of. 

MAGA also bringing...

[NorthLoop 14247]

14 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So, why "on the verge"?  Why wait?  Is this just timing staged to add another jolt of excitement?  

[Blotto 23575]

5 minutes ago, Constant said:

Gotta have the hits spread throughout. I hope Taylor Swift gets involved in a few weeks when her tour wraps for a break. Perfect timing for her to throw her gasoline around. We need an all hands on deck approach. Stifle these fucks with powerful people they can’t even dream of. 

She should promise free concerts to the three cities that register the most new voters. 

[SydneyCarton 48170]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Her first order of business is to define herself.  Starting out with negative ads is not a good idea - she needs to quickly start making sure voters know who she is and what she stands for first.  

GDP 2Q - 2.8% - above expectations, consumer spending above expectations, jobless claims down (again) - more economic good news for Harris (and Joe)

Emerson / Memerson (with corresponding Senate race)

Arizona Trump +5 (Gallego +4)
Georgia Trump +2
Michigan Trump +1 (Slotkin +5)
Pennsylvania Trump +2 (Casey +4)
Wisconsin Tie (Baldwin +6) 

Harris improved on Joe's numbers by +3 on average against their last polls.  And Trump is still stuck in the 46-48 range.  

It would be interesting to look at what some of these specific polls said in the previous election at this time. What did AZ have trump up then? 

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The Obama rumor is just silliness

I literally read it as a joke. 

[Kermit 3158]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

When they fuck couches, we do not. 

[Constant 6755]

Just now, CooterBrown said:

MAGA also bringing...

Also Kid Rock. Perhaps a little Roseanne Barr. 

[MissingInAction 25187]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The DNC 100% needs to have as many plants on social media and such as possible selling that message.  The ultimate measure of support for Trump is NOT voting; voting is for deep state libtards.  Register your patriotic protest by refusing to play the communist libtards' "voting" game!

I overheard magatards at the bar saying this exact thing.

I hope they pull some stupid shit. The capitol will be a fucking fortress.

[TexEx15 17568]

18 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Elon buying Twitter was an enormous blow that can’t really be measured.  I think this gets overlooked in the discussion.  Another cryptofashy dipshit getting that weapon was one of the worst things to happen over the last four years. 

Yes Elon is the worst. But he’s only creating a right wing echo chamber. I’m not sure how much that is moving the needle with independents.

Also, in that Fox interview just posted you can see the only card he has to play is “they are destroying our country”, which is of course literal bullshit. His campaign is nothing but hate, division, lies, and chaos. That plays well with maga but I think other voters are so tired of that nonsense and ready to move on from him. I hope.

Side-note, they way the fellatio him with “Mr. President” is fucking disgusting.

[Pancho 44995]

[Constant 6755]

1 minute ago, Blotto said:

She should promise free concerts to the three cities that register the most new voters. 

She definitely needs to do something along these lines. We are similar in age, and this is simply the most important election of our lives. And now we have an exciting candidate to rally behind. I haven’t felt this optimistic in a while.