2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[G650 14277]

8 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

@immamac how do we change the Fuck Around and Find Out rep from Gritty to a Couch?

Don't you fucking dare

[locodos 5394]

11 hours ago, C-Man said:

There's a reason teenage boys have the highest auto insurance rates in the world.

My father didn't grow up in the Sticks per se...  but in high school he and a few of his friends drove the school buses.  He said that lasted for several years till the school figured out that the kids had removed the governors.

That had to be a great time...  but wtf were they thinking?

 

[G650 14277]

3 minutes ago, locodos said:

My father didn't grow up in the Sticks per se...  but in high school he and a few of his friends drove the school buses.  He said that lasted for several years till the school figured out that the kids had removed the governors.

That had to be a great time...  but wtf were they thinking?

 

My old man is from Tappahannock, they did the same lol.

[mdmost 43052]

"I've been very good for the blacks, even if the blacks have been very unfair to me. I knew Kanye before he started saying horrible things. Do you people know Kanye? He came up to me in the White House with tears in his eyes. I pardoned rappers. Did Sleepy Joe Biden pardon any rappers? I think the blacks should love me. I too have been arrested and shot at". 

[locodos 5394]

2 minutes ago, G650 said:

My old man is from Tappahannock, they did the same lol.

Both of my parents went to Princess Anne

[Bozo_Casanova 26567]

 

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm surprised you can buy chili powder in Minnysota.

It comes with a safety pamphlet, though

Edited July 30 by Bozo_Casanova

[locodos 5394]

8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It’s the Miracle Whip that screams “LASAGNA!”

Thatssaa war crime!

[Pancho 45004]

My Latino brothers! You time has come 

 

[washparkhorn 9939]

 

[Macanudo 13014]

Are these "People for Kamala" going to be regular, rotational things?   Because they should be.   Maybe round out with Latinas, then Asian women and Asian men before rotating back through the list again.  That would take us through August.  Then maybe do stuff like Nurses For Kamala, Teachers For Kamala, etc?  

[TexArcher 38070]

Literal LOL on the slurp sound after "mouth stuff."

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26567]

 

[CooterBrown 18031]

Assume this has been discussed somewhere on this site. "True the Vote" is making fucky-fucky with voter rolls.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/29/politics/voter-rolls-ballot-challenges-true-the-vote-elections/index.html

Police officers in Texas, senior citizens at a nursing home in Pennsylvania and people who had registered to vote at a Marine base in California.
They are among the thousands of voters whose right to cast a ballot has been needlessly challenged ahead of this November’s election by activists — many of whom have been inspired by conspiracy theories — seeking to prevent voter fraud.
“My simple right as a voter is being attacked,” said Daniel Moss, a university administrator from Denton County, Texas, whose registration was challenged by one of the activists even though he has lived in the county and voted there for about two decades. “It’s kind of un-American to do that.”
Election officials across the country have been inundated with dubious complaints about inaccurate voter rolls, which have wasted government resources and sapped taxpayer money spent reviewing lists of registered voters that officials say are already carefully maintained, a CNN investigation has found.
One of the main drivers of the fruitless challenges is a conservative Texas-based nonprofit group called True the Vote, an election-monitoring organization that has long peddled debunked voter-fraud theories. The group’s founder, Catherine Engelbrecht, has called on followers to help clean voter rolls by using an app called IV3 that enables users to research voter data and submit voter-eligibility challenges to local election offices.
In this 2015 photo, Catherine Engelbrecht, founder of True the Vote, testifies during a confirmation hearing at the US Capitol in Washington, DC. 
Samuel Corum/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
The activists say they are merely trying to help clean voter rolls to prevent fraud, but their challenges have been riddled with errors and have at times included vulnerable groups, such as people registered to vote at assisted-living facilities and homeless shelters, documents obtained by CNN show.
True the Vote has said that nearly 7,000 people have been using its app, which references voter and postal data, to challenge a total of more than a half-million records.
Acting on conspiracy theories
County and state officials across nine states — many of them considered battlegrounds — interviewed by CNN said they have meticulous processes for maintaining voter rolls. They also said they cannot simply purge registered voters from the rolls without making efforts to contact them and following other safeguards. Some officials added that portions of the data in the IV3 app appear outdated, which they say undercuts much of the activists’ work.
“These people are actually trying to help but they did not understand the procedures we have in place,” said Matt Webber, the registrar of voters for Yavapai County, Arizona, who explained how two people who said they were working with True the Vote in May and June sought to challenge a list of potentially ineligible voters that the county had already addressed by contacting them and, if warranted, placing them into an inactive status.
Some election observers have argued that even if the activists submitting mass challenges are operating in good faith, their efforts waste election officials’ time, promote false notions about the maintenance of voter rolls and could prompt the inappropriate removal of some registered voters. In Waterford, Michigan, for example, an activist’s lobbying last year led to what the state called the improper removal of 1,000 people, including an Air Force officer’s registration that was later reinstated, as reported by The New York Times.
Moreover, some argue the challenges show how certain groups have not only spread false election conspiracy theories but also convinced believers to act on them, which could further inflame distrust in elections.
“A lot of these people are people of goodwill. They have just been fed a constant diet of lies,” said David Becker, founder of the nonprofit Center for Election Innovation & Research, who added that one of the “great ironies” is that “the voter lists are more accurate than they have ever been” because of modern data-sharing technology.
In a statement, Engelbrecht of True the Vote said her group seeks to “empower citizens to ensure accurate, secure, and fair elections,” and argued, “In pursuit of our mission, True the Vote has developed specialized processes, technologies, and methodologies that have been affirmed by experts and courts across the political spectrum.” She did not name the experts and courts to which her statement referred.
‘Unlawful disenfranchisement’
Some states have recommended local officials disregard or dismiss pleas from private citizens to drop groups of voters from the rolls. A June memo from Pennsylvania’s deputy secretary for elections and commissions warned that such challenges can lead to “unlawful disenfranchisement.” A spokesperson for California’s secretary of state told CNN that responding to unvetted voter-removal requests “distracts” from necessary election preparation. The challenges come as a wave of states have passed laws with added voting restrictions since 2020.
Other officials have been more receptive.
“We are open to anyone assisting,” said Jeff Roberts, the administrator of elections for Tennessee’s Davidson County, home to Nashville. Roberts said he has received voter-registration challenges from a local resident who separately told CNN he had spent about 100 hours compiling lists of voters who appeared ineligible based on data in the IV3 app. Roberts said he would follow the law and would not simply purge voters from the rolls without giving them the opportunity to respond.
About a dozen people in Denton County, Texas — outside of Dallas — have submitted what has sometimes surpassed 1,000 challenges a day, according to the county elections administrator, Frank Phillips. Records show at least some of them have used IV3.
Phillips said he has sought to review all their challenges but added the effort has become “a little time-consuming.”
Denton County elections administrator Frank Phillips. 
CNN
Phillips said most of the challenges involve voters the county has already placed in an inactive status or removed from the rolls, whereas a minority of them warrant follow-up. In those cases, he said the activists’ challenges speed up the process the county already has for maintaining its rolls and verifying voters’ residences.
Some of the challenges submitted by Denton County activists have had blatant problems. For example, one woman challenged a few local police officers who lawfully listed their address as a government building, emails show.
“These people just can’t see past the end of their own nose, evidently,” said one of those officers, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he lacked approval to speak to the media. He explained that cops and other officials are sometimes allowed to use alias addresses like county buildings out of concern for their personal safety. “They’re just throwing everything against the wall to see what will stick. … That undermines their investigation.”
Unconventional addresses
True the Vote has seemingly encouraged the practice of submitting mass challenges against people registered at unconventional addresses even if some voters may be properly registered at those locations.
In a June webinar, for example, True the Vote’s founder Engelbrecht highlighted what she called a “sketchy” address in Phoenix where she said hundreds of people were registered to vote. “Would I challenge them? Probably so,” she said.
Catherine Engelbrecht, center, leader of True the Vote, a national group focused on voter fraud, in Worthington, Ohio, in 2012. 
Michael F. McElroy/The New York Times/Redux
A basic internet search reveals a local nonprofit organization has offered that location as a mailing address for homeless people seeking shelter or other services. Still, a few weeks after that True the Vote webinar, a woman tried to challenge the individuals registered there. A county official responded to her email by thanking her but stated the county already “continuously” performs list maintenance through processes mandated by law.
Challenges submitted by another woman in Fayette County, Pennsylvania, included voters registered at assisted living facilities and nursing homes, according to the local elections director, Marybeth Kuznik. In a June letter, Kuznik explained that she would reject the woman’s challenges because they conflicted with voter registration laws and because the mere appearance that someone lives in a “commercial” facility like an assisted living facility does not justify cancellation.
Melanie Patterson, the Fayette County woman who submitted those challenges after doing research with IV3, told CNN that she wanted to help clean the rolls to deter potential fraud in future elections. Despite an absence of evidence, she said she believes voter fraud in Pennsylvania influenced the 2020 election.
“Dirty voter rolls mean dirty elections,” Patterson said. “If you don’t protect that vote, we are going to lose the foundations this country was built on.”
Patterson’s views were largely reflected by a handful of other IV3 users who agreed to speak to CNN.
Christine Wilfong of Maricopa County, Arizona, said she believes her county has not effectively policed its voter rolls and that she hoped her efforts would remind officials that local citizens are now providing more government oversight.
“We are watching you,” Wilfong said, referring to election officials. “That’s why I’m doing what small thing I can do to try to clean up the rolls. … I do want people to understand that they are being looked at.”
Links to discredited ‘2000 Mules’ film
Aside from using the IV3 app promoted by True the Vote, Wilfong and others referenced the film “2000 Mules” — which cited data from True the Vote and purported to reveal widespread ballot fraud in the 2020 election — for bolstering their desire to help prevent potential voter fraud.
But that film has been discredited. When a Georgia judge ordered True the Vote last year to provide relevant evidence and sourcing for its claims, the group responded that it did not have the identity or contact information for its sources, nor records that supported other claims made.
The film’s publisher, Salem Media Group, issued a public apology this year and said it would stop distributing the movie after a Georgia man wrongly accused of voter fraud sued the company for defamation. In its statement, the company pointed the finger at True the Vote and a conservative filmmaker, saying it relied on their representations and evidence that people were captured illegally depositing ballots.
The history of True the Vote and its leaders peddling baseless election conspiracy theories extends further.
In November 2016, days after Donald Trump won the presidential election, a then-board member of True the Vote, Gregg Phillips, tweeted that he had verified more than 3 million votes cast by non-citizens. When pressed in an appearance on CNN in January 2017, Phillips refused to provide the evidence. Instead, he argued that he needed more time to prepare a public report to ensure accuracy and because the work — much like the efforts of IV3 today — was being completed by volunteers.
Denton County, Texas voter Daniel Moss, whose registration was challenged by a baseless complaint 
Despite those controversies, the group’s revenue has ballooned over the last decade. True the Vote pulled in just over $4 million between 2014 and 2019 but reported nearly $12 million in revenue between 2020 and 2022, the latest year of its publicly available financial reports.
Scrutiny of finances
True the Vote has also faced allegations of financial wrongdoing. Last year, the watchdog group Campaign for Accountability filed a complaint with the IRS that alleged True the Vote may have excessively paid former director Phillips’ business and improperly loaned money to Engelbrecht.
Specifically, the organization paid Phillips’ business at least $750,000 for data analysis after the 2020 election and did not disclose the transactions in a government filing, according to the complaint. True the Vote also allegedly issued loans to Engelbrecht, a director and employee for the organization, despite Texas law prohibiting nonprofit directors from receiving loans from their groups. A True the Vote spokesperson previously argued that the complaint was filed as a “form of harassment” and that it was “without merit.”
An IRS spokesperson said the agency by law cannot confirm or deny whether an entity is under examination.
Today, True the Vote continues to solicit donations with appeals to “protecting the republic” and calls on followers to help “save” trustworthy elections.
But to some election professionals and voters who have had their registrations challenged, the group’s efforts could have the opposite effect.
“These kinds of rash activities can do much more harm than good,” said Moss, the Denton County, Texas voter. “If you want to be part of the solution and you want to help … maybe push to get people to vote versus trying to find answers that don’t even have problems to begin with.”
 

 

The cost should be billed to the requester if no fraud is found.

[HenryJames 66180]

Not weird at all.

[CooterBrown 18031]

Not weird at all.

[Pancho 45004]

My sisters church in Dallas lol

 

 

He basically said y’all done messed with the wrong mofos

[Chuckie Finster 22737]

 

Two weeks ago, millions of America pleaded to God to watch over this country. Three days later, the elderly President of the United States was diagnosed with Covid and three days after that dropped out of the race.

It sure is interesting that most of the people who pleaded with God to send help refuse to even consider the possibility that his solution might not align with their political beliefs.

[HenryJames 66180]

26 minutes ago, Pancho said:

My Latino brothers! You time has come 

 

[Js1 85582]

New FL poll has Trump up 7 (49-42) with Rick Scott underperforming Trump (47-43) and both the abortion and weed amendments flying by (69-23 abortion and 64-31 weed)

She has some room to grow, especially with those weed/abortion numbers.

[mdmost 43052]

I'm telling you guys, this DEI shit is going to backfire so badly on them. They are galvanizing people to vote against them. The people who are using this line are the same people who got their positions not based on merit but based on their family (Don Jr) or who they're fucking (Lara Trump). And then you got the crusty old white guys who remind you of racists from the past calling her terrible things. That hits with people. It pisses people off because you can empathise with being doubted because of your gender or race. I hope Republicans and Trump specifically keep doing it.

[Bozo_Casanova 26567]

10 minutes ago, Pancho said:

My sisters church in Dallas lol

 

 

I bet the Cheddar's on Hampton Road was popping when Church got out. 

[Hank Kingsley 21055]

 

[Js1 85582]

There's been a lot of "hints" that Kamala will name her VP this week.  At some point. Seems like maybe a Wednesday thing, because you get 3 solid days of headlines before the weekend and the virtual delegate voting starts Thursday. 

Cooper - took himself out / never wanted to be considered
Beshear - under the radar, but did headline an event in GA earlier this week 
Kelly - MIA? Has he been anywhere at all for Harris? 
Walz/Pete - most visible and vocal 
Shapiro - mostly just been in PA and not on the shows or calls

[closetohumping 17474]

31 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Does this mean Erik Estrada going to do some work for Don?

[Hank Kingsley 21055]

Just now, Js1 said:

There's been a lot of "hints" that Kamala will name her VP this week. 

I hope this is the case. Whenever all the proper vetting is completed, they shouldn't delay this announcement. The longer it drags out the more a certain sect of the party gets their feelings hurt when their preferred candidate doesn't get the job. 

 

[Js1 85582]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

I hope this is the case. Whenever all the proper vetting is completed, they shouldn't delay this announcement. The longer it drags out the more a certain sect of the party gets their feelings hurt when their preferred candidate doesn't get the job. 

 

Gretchen hinted at it yesterday.  I mean, the delegates aren't going to change their mind, but with virtual voting starting Thursday, you have to give them the VP so the entire ticket is transmitted to the states (especially Ohio and Alabama) and get that taken care of before August 7. 

[Pancho 45004]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

There's been a lot of "hints" that Kamala will name her VP this week.  At some point. Seems like maybe a Wednesday thing, because you get 3 solid days of headlines before the weekend and the virtual delegate voting starts Thursday. 

Cooper - took himself out / never wanted to be considered
Beshear - under the radar, but did headline an event in GA earlier this week 
Kelly - MIA? Has he been anywhere at all for Harris? 
Walz/Pete - most visible and vocal 
Shapiro - mostly just been in PA and not on the shows or calls

CNN reported this morning that a dark horse candidate is Gary Peters

[C-Man 27263]

CNN reported this morning that a dark horse candidate is Gary Peters

My wife mentioned that name last night and I admitted I was not familiar with him. What’s his story?

[Chuckie Finster 22737]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

My wife mentioned that name last night and I admitted I was not familiar with him. What’s his story?

Great Lakes Tim Kaine.

[Bozo_Casanova 26567]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

CNN reported this morning that a dark horse candidate is Gary Peters

I read that last night and I hate that rumor so much, he’s very popular with the unions, but there’s no need to overthink this thing and try to get some SABREmetric optimal choice here. Gary Peters is the Tim Kaine of Lloyd Bentsens and there’s nothing Harris can get from him that she can’t get more of elsewhere or on her own.

[Js1 85582]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

CNN reported this morning that a dark horse candidate is Gary Peters

Looks like an appointment to finish out his term since he is up in 2026 anyhow.

Just now, C-Man said:

My wife mentioned that name last night and I admitted I was not familiar with him. What’s his story?

Served in the Navy Reserve
Served in the House 2009-2015
Served in the Senate since 2014

[Hank Kingsley 21055]

The late mention of Peters smells like one of his staffers throwing his name in the ring. 

[Jive Turkey 12644]

Gary Peters would absolutely kill the buzz. 

Don’t do it. 

[Js1 85582]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

The late mention of Peters smells like one of his staffers throwing his name in the ring. 

Yeah, I highly doubt the Harris team is suddenly vetting new names 

[Hmbre97 6331]

Seems like anyone but Walz right now would kill all the momentum they've managed to build up over this last week.

['stache 21874]

Am I right that Walz started the “weird” thing? He’s the first I recall seeing but I really only watch clips here. The fact that its everywhere now makes it feel like he’s the pick.

[Js1 85582]

People forget that the biggest names for Obama’s VP were Kaine, Bayh and Sebelius. Biden was mentioned but not considered a top choice. Just because Walz isn’t getting the biggest names doesn’t mean he isn’t or can’t be the pick 

[royiv 9362]

58 minutes ago, Pancho said:

My sisters church in Dallas lol

 

 

He basically said y’all done messed with the wrong mofos

Not a fan of preaching politics from the pulpit. We criticize it when guys like Jeffress and Young do it so we should hold the other side to the same standard. Keep politics out of religion and keep religion out of politics.

[Sawbonz 27589]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

My Latino brothers! You time has come 

 

Can’t wait for the Samoans 

[CooterBrown 18031]

13 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Am I right that Walz started the “weird” thing? He’s the first I recall seeing but I really only watch clips here. The fact that its everywhere now makes it feel like he’s the pick.

Yeah. With how all of this has played out, I'd bet Harris told Walz to run with the weird angle to gauge public reaction of not just the message but of him. If it worked, he is the pick. 

[Left Coast 863]

Gays for Harris? Or is that just a given?

(with a few exceptions of course)

 

[miguelito 11312]

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Are these "People for Kamala" going to be regular, rotational things?   Because they should be.   Maybe round out with Latinas, then Asian women and Asian men before rotating back through the list again.  That would take us through August.  Then maybe do stuff like Nurses For Kamala, Teachers For Kamala, etc?  

It's like they're following my [redacted] search history.

Except for the Asian men part.

I won't judge if you won't. 

[Pancho 45004]

10 minutes ago, royiv said:

Not a fan of preaching politics from the pulpit. We criticize it when guys like Jeffress and Young do it so we should hold the other side to the same standard. Keep politics out of religion and keep religion out of politics.

Sorry but Blacks are tired of listening to what trunp and the radical right keep saying about Black people. It’s demeaning, anti American, and we’re tired of always having to be the nice ones when we’re being attacked. 
 

Calling us DEI hires? Yeah I’m fine with a Black preacher fighting back in this case.

[Js1 85582]

Just now, Pancho said:

Sorry but Blacks are tired of listening to what trunp and the radical right keep saying about Black people. It’s demeaning, anti American, and we’re tired of always having to be the nice ones when we’re being attacked. 
 

Calling us DEI horses? Yeah I’m fine with a Black preacher fighting back in this case.

Plus the evangelical right will continue to do it and we are just ceding that to them. I thought we got past the “when they go low, we go high” shit 

[Gatorubet 30316]

4 minutes ago, royiv said:

Not a fan of preaching politics from the pulpit. We criticize it when guys like Jeffress and Young do it so we should hold the other side to the same standard. Keep politics out of religion and keep religion out of politics.

….because evangelicals and cowboy churches will honor that bargain and leave politics out of the pulpit. 

Right.  We are just a few steps from Trump’s Myrmidons passing bills saying you can only vote if you belong to a few enumerated churches - like the Founders wanted.

I see this take as more like Trump rearming his military after the Versailles treaty, but France not growing its own military - because see the Versailles treaty.   Sometimes when the other side does not play by the rules, it is not the time to play by the rules.

I am more than happy with federal legislation prohibiting electioneering in churches……after we defeat Trump. 

[TexEx15 17569]

 

[Js1 85582]

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

 

[South Austin 52615]

45 minutes ago, Pancho said:

CNN reported this morning that a dark horse candidate is Gary Peters

You misheard that.  It's Gary Peterson.  And talk about a home run.  Do it, Kamala.

[Brisketexan 105359]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

My Latino brothers! You time has come 

 

Hells yes.

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

Are these "People for Kamala" going to be regular, rotational things?   Because they should be.   Maybe round out with Latinas, then Asian women and Asian men before rotating back through the list again.  That would take us through August.  Then maybe do stuff like Nurses For Kamala, Teachers For Kamala, etc?  

You already got your "white dudes for Kamala" moment.  You think the "affable, mediocre sexual performers who drive bland cars for Kamala" call is gonna drive that much of a crowd?

11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Sorry but Blacks are tired of listening to what trunp and the radical right keep saying about Black people. It’s demeaning, anti American, and we’re tired of always having to be the nice ones when we’re being attacked. 
 

Calling us DEI hires? Yeah I’m fine with a Black preacher fighting back in this case.

Fuck yes.  It doesn't get more American than fighting back.  Enough.  Ya.  Basta.  I'm happy to sit back and listen while my fellow Americans of the melanin persuasion let 'em have it.  I've enjoyed women doing that as well.  Fuck this "sit back and take it" bullshit.