2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[chainsaw 9865]

8 minutes ago, Pancho said:

They want trunp elected

I'm waiting to see Kamala's platform. Last week she hired a team that includes a policy advisor. She's been smart so far, but this is something that can be easily fucked up if she plays it wrong.

I don't think they want to see Trump elected, they are using the leverage they have to get policy commitments from a potential president who could actually deliver for them. I won't shame them for how they vote, even if I disagree with them.

[Dahobbs 17533]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm waiting to see Kamala's platform. Last week she hired a team that includes a policy advisor. She's been smart so far, but this is something that can be easily fucked up if she plays it wrong.

I don't think they want to see Trump elected, they are using the leverage they have to get policy commitments from a potential president who could actually deliver for them. I won't shame them for how they vote, even if I disagree with them.

Yes. They do. This is stupid. You know it is stupid. 

[mdmost 43001]

Nah, they can get fucked. Trump gets elected, they'll get deported. I'll be fine with that. 

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Cross tabs, grain of salt, whatnot

 

 

If they liked Obama's tan suit, they are just going to luuuuuuv that.

Edited August 9 by Jiggy-Z

[chainsaw 9865]

Just now, mdmost said:

Nah, they can get fucked. Trump gets elected, they'll get deported. I'll be fine with that. 

It's not just Arabs who are part of this movement, FYI. A lot of Gen Z voters see Gaza as a dealbreaker.

[Dahobbs 17533]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

It's not just Arabs who are part of this movement, FYI. A lot of Gen Z voters see Gaza as a dealbreaker.

Again, they will get deported too. It is stupid and self-defeating. 

[Firemans4Horn 18046]

14 minutes ago, Pancho said:

They want trunp elected

I VOTED UNCOMMITTED

 

 

 

[babysdaddy 2721]

1 hour ago, texasdago said:

"...uh, right"

is this Catturd?  I can feel the racism through the internet.  Looks like an angry thumb

[mdmost 43001]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

It's not just Arabs who are part of this movement, FYI. A lot of Gen Z voters see Gaza as a dealbreaker.

Then they can also get fucked. But hey they'll really have something to bitch and protest about for sure if Trump is back in office. Until he brings the full force of the law down on them. I also think you overvalue just how much Gen Z really gives a shit about this outside of social media and college protest outrage. 

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

53 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I saw a funny tweet that I can't find now to repost but it was basically, "Kamala looks like a homicide detective rolling up to the uniforms on her 3rd murder call of the day". 

More like "JD looks like a rapist murderer rolling up on his third victim of the day... er couch."

[Pancho 44757]

6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

It's not just Arabs who are part of this movement, FYI. A lot of Gen Z voters see Gaza as a dealbreaker.

 

No, it’s been just Arabs.

stop with this shit.

[TexasEd 8066]

On 8/7/2024 at 12:29 PM, gmr548 said:

"Immediately, if not sooner" is really flying under the radar but is an absolute gem of mush-brained Trump lines.

Lol, Best thing in that video was Trump equating support for trans people as a communist policy.  I remember so well the Soviet, Chinese, and Cambodian Communist party policies about trans people.

On 8/7/2024 at 12:45 PM, chainsaw said:

I read he served alongside NATO troops and the people he deployed with were responsible for providing support in connection with some conflicts. I don't think he ever claimed to have taken enemy fire or been in the theater of battle, but I believe him when he says he used guns while deployed.

I was actually in the Vicenza Italy at the same time he was stationed there.  The security forces/guards did carry around rifles.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

47 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

You don't say?  Elonville is an incel echo chamber:

 

Those stats can't be right.  Pretty sure bots are genderless.

[Aqua Buddha 14588]

14 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

It's not just Arabs who are part of this movement, FYI. A lot of Gen Z voters see Gaza as a dealbreaker.

Then why are the pro Hamas/Palestinian Dems getting primaried?

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

2 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Pretty sure bots are genderless.

woke

[Native Horn 3500]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

I saw a funny tweet that I can't find now to repost but it was basically, "Kamala looks like a homicide detective rolling up to the uniforms on her 3rd murder call of the day". 

Paula Newsome, lead homicide detective on "CSI: Vegas" agrees with this.

 

[chainsaw 9865]

Just now, Aqua Buddha said:

Then why are the pro Hamas/Palestinian Dems getting primaried?

Unprecedented AIPAC money going into those races. Don't make a shit, though. Genocide is a legitimate dealbreaker to have.

[Kermit 3156]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Unprecedented AIPAC money going into those races. Don't make a shit, though. Genocide is a legitimate dealbreaker to have.

Is she running a pro-genocide platform?

[Blotto 23497]

23 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I'm waiting to see Kamala's platform. Last week she hired a team that includes a policy advisor. She's been smart so far, but this is something that can be easily fucked up if she plays it wrong.

I don't think they want to see Trump elected, they are using the leverage they have to get policy commitments from a potential president who could actually deliver for them. I won't shame them for how they vote, even if I disagree with them.

They have shit leverage. The alternative to harris is a fucking disaster for them. Bending a knee to their wishes would alienate more voters than their defection. Ie get on the bus or fuck off. 

[chainsaw 9865]

Just now, Kermit said:

Is she running a pro-genocide platform?

I hope she doesn't

[safe sex 11709]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

I hope she doesn't

What does that even mean? What is a pro-genocide platform from Harris?

[Js1 85310]

1 minute ago, Blotto said:

They have shit leverage. The alternative to harris is a fucking disaster for them. Bending a knee to their wishes would alienate more voters than their defection. Ie get on the bus or fuck off. 

She agrees to meet with them, is sympathetic to their cause and then they still proceed with protests and heckling her. Strong feeling they will never be satisfied with her and her platform 

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, Blotto said:

They have shit leverage.

I would disagree. She's in that state for a reason. She needs their vote, right? It's their right to have her earn it. I won't blame them for that.

Just now, safe sex said:

What does that even mean? What is a pro-genocide platform from Harris?

It means they're still working on the platform. As of today her website is silent on all of the issues, probably because it won't be unveiled until the convention.

[safe sex 11709]

No, from your perspective, what would a pro-genocide platform from Harris look like? One where you couldn't vote for her.

[wildcat09 29349]

The New York Times is openly lying to its readers about the stakes of this election.  Biden Promised Peace, but Will Leave His Successor a Nation Consumed by War:

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To his critics, Mr. Biden is conveniently airbrushing his record. “What is the ongoing effort to protect shipping against Houthi attack, if not a combat operation?” said Peter Feaver, a National Security Council official during the George W. Bush presidency.

People who hear Mr. Biden speak about ending war — he also said, inaccurately, during his June debate with Mr. Trump that he was not presiding over “any troops dying anywhere in the world” — are right to feel as though something does not add up, Mr. Feaver added.

“You might say, ‘Wait a second — this does not feel like the U.S. is out of war,’” he said. “That’s because this is the most dangerous geostrategic moment since the early 1980s.”

Sensing opportunity, Mr. Trump has accused Mr. Biden — and Ms. Harris — of endangering America’s security.

In contrast to both, Mr. Trump casts himself as a peacemaker who can swiftly end the war in Ukraine and bring calm to the Middle East, though analysts say that is highly unlikely.

“You are closer to a third world war right now than at any time since the Second World War,” Mr. Trump told reporters in late July. “You’ve never been so close, because we have incompetent people running our country.”

“If we win, it’ll be very simple,” he added. “It’s all going to work out and very quickly. If we don’t, you’re going to end up with major wars in the Middle East, and maybe a third world war.”

This could've been written by Trump's campaign staff.  

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

She agrees to meet with them, is sympathetic to their cause and then they still proceed with protests and heckling her. Strong feeling they will never be satisfied with her and her platform 

All you need is enough of them to be satisfied. I'm cautiously optimistic she will do the right things to earn most of their votes.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Unprecedented AIPAC money going into those races. Don't make a shit, though. Genocide is a legitimate dealbreaker to have.

First off, what's happening is not genocide. 

But even were it genocide, the choice is binary: Kamala, or the man who moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital etc ...

 

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I hope she doesn't

stop being fucking weird

[Blotto 23497]

3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I would disagree. She's in that state for a reason. She needs their vote, right? It's their right to have her earn it. I won't blame them for that.

There are other people in that state then those fucksticks. They can vote how they  want. If they want trump in office  they actually dont give a shit about their cause. They are fucking idiots about to FAFO. Its their right to be shoot themselves in the fucking dick, but dont expect any sympathy. we'll find votes other places. 

Edited August 9 by Blotto

[chainsaw 9865]

Just now, safe sex said:

No, from your perspective, what would a pro-genocide platform from Harris look like? One where you couldn't vote for her.

Unconditional support for Israel is pro-genocide. There must be a willingness to withhold money and weapons when certain conditions are not met, or when the ICJ and similar international bodies have made findings that Israel is violating international law.

[wildcat09 29349]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

She agrees to meet with them, is sympathetic to their cause and then they still proceed with protests and heckling her. Strong feeling they will never be satisfied with her and her platform 

Same vibes as the leftist response to the Afghanistan withdrawal.

The left's response to getting what they want from Biden has done more to harm progressive causes than anything else. 

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

what's happening is not genocide.

You're not worth engaging with if this is what you believe.

[chainsaw 9865]

2 minutes ago, Blotto said:

There are other people in that state then those fucksticks. They can vote how they  want. If they want trump in office  they actually dont give a shit about their cause. They are fucking idiots about to FAFO. Its their right to be shoot themselves in the fucking dick, but dont expect any sympathy. we'll find votes other places. 

That's strategic decision is hers to make. I think it's the wrong one, but she could try to find substitute votes elsewhere. I'm not sure where, but she could try.

[TexasHooch 5122]

 

Oh, is that all?  Makes sense.  Yeah, that ought to work. 

Fucking child.

[Aqua Buddha 14588]

15 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Unprecedented AIPAC money going into those races. Don't make a shit, though. Genocide is a legitimate dealbreaker to have.

Why don’t these protest groups call for an unconditional surrender by Hamas, which would end the war?

[chainsaw 9865]

4 minutes ago, TexasHooch said:

 

Oh, is that all?  Makes sense.  Yeah, that ought to work. 

Fucking child.

Yeah it's childish not to want our bombs to be used on civilians

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You're not worth engaging with if this is what you believe.

Genocide:  the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. 

That's not what's happening here. Were that what's happening, this would have already been over and Gaza would be empty.  

 

Just now, chainsaw said:

Yeah it's childish not to want our bombs to be used on civilians

Nobody wants to use bombs on children, but unfortunately Hamas hides among children. 

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

Getting Kamala in office is step 1 to any solution that could benefit Palestine and by far the most important one.  Period, point blank. Anything that potentially jeopardizes that is a dumb fucking decision and shows that they have no understanding of leverage or how to accomplish their goal.

Protest away starting on January 21, 2025.  Go ahead, make her life hell... but good lord wait until she gets elected first and don't give anyone ammo to use against her.

[Blotto 23497]

3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

That's strategic decision is hers to make. I think it's the wrong one, but she could try to find substitute votes elsewhere. I'm not sure where, but she could try.

She can find the votes among the substantially larger subset of  americans that dont want that orange buffoon to be president. If the people that will vote only on the Palestinian issue fall outside that demographic, there's nothing she can do about it. Its that simple. 

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Genocide:  the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. 

That's not what's happening here. Were that what's happening, this would have already been over and Gaza would be empty.  

 

tell that to the ICC

[safe sex 11709]

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Protest away starting on January 21, 2025.  Go ahead, make her life hell... but good lord wait until she gets elected first and don't give anyone ammo to use against her.

This is their best course of action.

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Getting Kamala in office is step 1 to any solution that could benefit Palestine and by far the most important one.  Period, point blank. Anything that potentially jeopardizes that is a dumb fucking decision and shows that they have no understanding of leverage or how to accomplish their goal.

Protest away starting on January 21, 2025.  Go ahead, make her life hell... but good lord wait until she gets elected first and don't give anyone ammo to use against her.

I agree with you, but they see this as their best and only chance to secure commitments from her when she needs something from them. I'm not going to give them a hard time for striking a hard bargain when lives are on the line.

[Tuco 5076]

 
Oh, is that all?  Makes sense.  Yeah, that ought to work. 
Fucking child.

Does that seem radical to you?

[tbone_ 14115]

 

Wait, wut? He lost king wacko Joe Rogan?

[Js1 85310]

4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Getting Kamala in office is step 1 to any solution that could benefit Palestine and by far the most important one.  Period, point blank. Anything that potentially jeopardizes that is a dumb fucking decision and shows that they have no understanding of leverage or how to accomplish their goal.

Protest away starting on January 21, 2025.  Go ahead, make her life hell... but good lord wait until she gets elected first and don't give anyone ammo to use against her.

This. Did they already forget this we all came together, got Biden elected and then they started to push him left on issues? With success?

[chainsaw 9865]

3 minutes ago, Blotto said:

She can find the votes among the substantially larger subset of  americans that dont want that orange buffoon to be president. If the people that will vote only on the Palestinian issue fall outside that demographic, there's nothing she can do about it. Its that simple. 

Sadly I think all of those people were already planning to vote Biden (back when he was behind in Michigan polls by a considerable margin).

[TexasHooch 5122]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Yeah it's childish not to want our bombs to be used on civilians

It's childish to use words like "demand" with virtually no leverage, and with a total disregard to what it would mean if we cut off our best (only) friend in the region. It's also childish to use a cheap straw man argument to defend it.

[mdmost 43001]

Everyone, it's too nice of a day to get chainsaw'd.

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, tbone_ said:

Wait, wut? He lost king wacko Joe Rogan?

Rogan backed off his "endorsement" after Trump threatened him with boos at the next UFC

[chainsaw 9865]

Just now, TexasHooch said:

It's childish to use words like "demand" with virtually no leverage, and with a total disregard to what it would mean if we cut off our best (only) friend in the region. It's also childish to use a cheap straw man argument to defend it.

They're a shitty friend openly trying to get Trump elected. The uncommitted voting bloc does have leverage and I won't blame them for using it.