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2 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

TexAgs is predictably handling this all quite well:

 

 

I’ll say this—twitter was pretty booming last night and this morning that the assasination was staged. I’m surprised Elmo let it stay up as long as it did. 

And—every post in the political forum of TexAgs should be sent to all of their Black athletes and Black recruits

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TexAgs is predictably handling this all quite well:
 

Tom Fox     6:09p    In reply to Hungry Ojos  
Hungry Ojos said: I think we need to accept the fact that Trump is not going to win. Harris is up in all of the polls, she's starting to gather huge crowds, and the MSM is doing everything in its power to push her across. Trump simply cannot win another general election. He is entirely too hated. Plus, he just refuses to change. He won't listen to advisors, won't prepare for debates, won't shut the **** up about stuff that doesn't matter, and continues to step on his own dick. Harris has to be the weakest presidential candidate of all time, and has a record of absolute patheticness…and is still going to win.

But instead of accepting that, we are putting our fingers in our ears and saying "nuh-uh", "polls are rigged and fake" or "lol, just wait till Harris implodes at the debates!" None of that is going to happen. It's entirely wishful thinking. The one thing the right is not doing however, is forcing Trump to change by NOT showing up at his stupid rallies or ending campaign contributions until he changes. 

I honestly cannot fathom how he ****ed this up. He survived an assassination attempt and ended Biden's political career…only to lose to the most unqualified, idiotic, vapid excuse for a candidate imaginable.

Republicans are completely outmatched and will continue to lose in perpetuity. The left is sooooooooooo much better at politics than we are, and when you add in the MSM, Hollywood, illegals, the courts, etc., it ends up being too much.

If America survives this next four years, Republicans are going to have to do something dramatic to stay relevant. Populism didn't work, true conservatism (DeSantis) was rejected for more carnival barking, and it's only getting more bleak. 

I don't know what the answer is, but this ain't it. There is zero excuse for losing this election. Yet here we are.
End universal suffrage or the masses will vote us into socialism and then communism. Letting every idiot vote was the real issue. They outnumber us. It is just math at this point.  

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4 hours ago, The Dog said:

I was a MAGA activist and pundit, and left MAGA, in 2022, after 7 years in it. If The Atlantic might consider a personal piece from me, Peter, let me know, please. What MAGA Americans need to see is others like them—who support(ed) Trump and MAGA for what they thought were the right reasons—who made the decision to leave MAGA; and, the reasons why they left. MAGA Americans remain in MAGA because it is a community. For those with friends and family in MAGA, you’ve probably made appeals based on facts, citing reputable sources, etc., and you’ve found they have not had any success. MAGA Americans will not leave unless they have a new community to go to; our Leaving MAGA org./team is actively building such a community. Soon, we will publish testimonials of some who, like me, were MAGA true believers, and left. For those in the thrall of MAGA, facts, policies, etc., will, almost never, have any successful effect. If you want to re-engage your friends and family who are in MAGA, make a sincere effort to try and understand their perspectives, which are likely shaped by many of the everyday concerns and worries most Americans share. If you’ve already done this, do it again—this time, however, ask if they’d be willing to hear my story, and introduce them to our Leaving MAGA org. You will be pleasantly surprised by how many are willing to take a look at my own journey in, and out of, MAGA, as well as our org. At the upcoming Democratic convention, a brief video of my story will air. I am also co-chairing the Republicans for Harris FL team, because I need to make amends for my past decisions and rhetoric—all of which I take complete responsibility for. Yes, MAGA will remain, but we must mercy-kill the GOP, electorally, and begin to move on from Trump—someone I helped get elected. A national reconciliation is possible. Thank you.

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3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Of all the places in NC, he picks the leftest leaning pocket?

It's a wise move - all the MAGA in that part of NC will be desperate to shed the libtards will be happy to open their wallets.  The MAGA in MAGA-controlled parts of the state will be more happy/satisfied and less willing to give up cash for something they already have.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's a wise move - all the MAGA in that part of NC will be desperate to shed the libtards will be happy to open their wallets.  The MAGA in MAGA-controlled parts of the state will be more happy/satisfied and less willing to give up cash for something they already have.

MAGA travels from podunk towns to real cities.

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Yep. Fuck that. The only thing we should give them is all the hemlock they can drink. I’m fucking done with those treasonous pieces of shit. They can do the world a favor and drink hemlock. That’s what they can do to help. I don’t believe a single one who says they’re “converting.” Bullshit.

 

But they was just funnin!  Pssh, yall thought they was serious?  Naw, cmon now!  Just a bit of fun!  Let’s all be friends again now right?

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I'm 52.  I got a yard sign.  I thought he was a great speaker.  I don't remember this rate of donations, registrations, volunteer sign-ups, etc.. I don't recall the crowds as being as animated.  Granted, I was raising a kid and not following politics daily, so maybe that's the difference.  

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I know people keep comparing the current environment to Obama 2008.  Did Obama really have this much energy behind him?  No knock on Barack; I know this is all part Kamala and part the terror of a second Trump presidency.  But, I don't recall this level of excitement. Ever.  

I wasn't paying that much attention to Obama in 2008 (I was flirting with McCain/3rd parties) but I remember he generated a helluva lot of buzz.

With that said, Hillary in 2016 doesn't come close to the excitement of Kamala in 2024.  And 2016 Hillary was only 9 years or so older than Kamala in 2024, but the atmosphere around Kamala feels like that of Obama.

And the problem for Trump (and this was a problem for Hillary) is that people know who he is, or think they know who he is, so he's hit his ceiling, whereas with Kamala, there's plenty of room for growth, and she seems to be getting a lot of people interested, who might not have voted this year.

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Does Trump even have speech writers ?

Probably.  They may even cost a pretty penny, along with this internal polling.

Does he pay attention to them? No, at least based on that little fiasco at Mar-a-Lago this week, and the speech in Montana.

And people who get pissed off spending hours waiting for him, only to have him show up really, really late, that doesn't help - a competent campaign wouldn't normally let that happen, because a competent campaign understands that those people have baby sitters, jobs that they have to get to the next day, etc. If you are told he's speaking at 9pm, there better be a good reason that he's not speaking until 10:30pm or 11pm.  Stopping off at a fundraiser is not a good reason.

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 If you’ve already done this, do it again—this time, however, ask if they’d be willing to hear my story, and introduce them to our Leaving MAGA org. You will be pleasantly surprised by how many are willing to take a look at my own journey in, and out of, MAGA, as well as our org. At the upcoming Democratic convention, a brief video of my story will air. I am also co-chairing the Republicans for Harris FL team, because I need to make amends for my past decisions and rhetoric—all of which I take complete responsibility for. Yes, MAGA will remain, but we must mercy-kill the GOP, electorally, and begin to move on from Trump—someone I helped get elected. A national reconciliation is possible. Thank you.

This sounds like those ex-Mormons who have YouTube channels.

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5 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I'm 52.  I got a yard sign.  I thought he was a great speaker.  I don't remember this rate of donations, registrations, volunteer sign-ups, etc.. I don't recall the crowds as being as animated.  Granted, I was raising a kid and not following politics daily, so maybe that's the difference.  

I just turned 53 a little over a month ago and was raising an 8-year-old daughter with very little help from her mom. Yes, the enthusiasm for Obama was off the charts. It seemed like one out of every five cars had an Obama sticker. His crowds were raucous, enthusiastic, and like a breath of fresh air after almost eight years of a barely literate W and seven years of war.

He was like a rock star when he came to Austin during the campaign and held an outdoor rally of 17,000 at Auditorium Shores with the little ol' skyline we had back then and he donned that cowboy hat.

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Then, he turned around and gave that incredible speech in fucking Berlin. Who the hell leaves the country in the middle of a presidential run? Obama, that's who.

His campaign was on fire.

 

Absolutely, none of this is meant to take away anything from Kamala. I'm just putting what she's got into perspective -- she's tapping into that same vein of enthusiasm.

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23 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I'm 52.  I got a yard sign.  I thought he was a great speaker.  I don't remember this rate of donations, registrations, volunteer sign-ups, etc.. I don't recall the crowds as being as animated.  Granted, I was raising a kid and not following politics daily, so maybe that's the difference.  

Harris isn't the movement.  The movement is leading her.

People want something new and different.  She seems to realize that and is rising to the occasion.  

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Trump simply cannot win another general election. He is entirely too hated. Plus, he just refuses to change. He won't listen to advisors, won't prepare for debates, won't shut the **** up about stuff that doesn't matter, and continues to step on his own dick. Harris has to be the weakest presidential candidate of all time, and has a record of absolute patheticness…and is still going to win.

But instead of accepting that, we are putting our fingers in our ears and saying "nuh-uh", "polls are rigged and fake" or "lol, just wait till Harris implodes at the debates!" None of that is going to happen. It's entirely wishful thinking. The one thing the right is not doing however, is forcing Trump to change by NOT showing up at his stupid rallies or ending campaign contributions until he changes. 

These people don't understand Trump at all.

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I know people keep comparing the current environment to Obama 2008.  Did Obama really have this much energy behind him?  No knock on Barack; I know this is all part Kamala and part the terror of a second Trump presidency.  But, I don't recall this level of excitement. Ever.  

No disrespect to Kamala Harris, but I was more excited about Barack’s campaign in 2008. I was in my 20s and I was disillusioned because the war killed some of my friends and family while those who returned were not the same as before. My last year of grad school wasn’t so exciting because the job market sucked and the economy was in the toilet. I was worried about finding a job and having health insurance after I left school and could no longer get coverage through UT.

Barack Obama gave me hope he was going to fix things and stop perpetuating the lies the Bush administration fed to us after 9/11. Obama promised to end the war in Iraq and pushed for health insurance to keep people on their parents’ plan until age 26. 

Looking back, I know the excitement I felt for Obama in 2008 is what young and olds feel for Kamala today. My key issues regarding the war and health insurance back in 2008 are how people feel now about reproductive rights, medical privacy, and gun control. 

Yes, I was more excited about Barack back then, but the excitement I felt was rooted in my belief he would be the savior to all the problems the Bush administration created. The Harris-Walz ticket feels different. I don’t view them as “saviors” who came down to help guide us through the fog the way I felt with Obama. I view Harris-Walz as people I grew up with who also happen to be in high ranking positions of power. Harris is like someone I can call up and say hey, “pick Tim Walz for VP” and she would actually listen. 

The Harris-Walz campaign feels like regular people. Just me and you and the neighbors down the street who also happen to be politicians coming together to defeat a terrible monster who is rotting the country from the inside out. The issues today are bigger and more life changing this time around, but my excitement level is tempered because I just can’t get it up as high 16 years later.

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No disrespect to Kamala Harris, but I was more excited about Barack’s campaign in 2008. I was in my 20s and I was disillusioned because the war killed some of my friends and family while those who returned were not the same as before. My last year of grad school wasn’t so exciting because the job market sucked and the economy was in the toilet. I was worried about finding a job and having health insurance after I left school and could no longer get coverage through UT.

Barack Obama gave me hope he was going to fix things and stop perpetuating the lies the Bush administration fed to us after 9/11. Obama promised to end the war in Iraq and pushed for health insurance to keep people on their parents’ plan until age 26. 

Looking back, I know the excitement I felt for Obama in 2008 is what young and olds feel for Kamala today. My key issues regarding the war and health insurance back in 2008 are how people feel now about reproductive rights, medical privacy, and gun control. 

Yes, I was more excited about Barack back then, but the excitement I felt was rooted in my belief he would be the savior to all the problems the Bush administration created. The Harris-Walz ticket feels different. I don’t view them as “saviors” who came down to help guide us through the fog the way I felt with Obama. I view Harris-Walz as people I grew up with who also happen to be in high ranking positions of power. Harris is like someone I can call up and say hey, “pick Tim Walz for VP” and she would actually listen. 

The Harris-Walz campaign feels like regular people. Just me and you and the neighbors down the street who also happen to be politicians coming together to defeat a terrible monster who is rotting the country from the inside out. The issues today are bigger and more life changing this time around, but my excitement level is tempered because I just can’t get it up as high 16 years later.

Pretty much this. Obama was kind of a known unknown. If I recall correctly, some pejoratively described him as a vessel in which the American public poured their hopes. While that was meant as an insult at the time, it was actually pretty accurate. I don't think I was paying too much attention in '04 when he apparently gained some in-party recognition at Kerry's convention (raising a four-year-old at that point), so my very first knowledge of him came during an NPR interview I heard while stuck in traffic on Mopac a little before he came to Austin. And, holy shit, I was impressed and blown away by this brand-new voice speaking to concerns I shared in a way I hadn't ever heard before.

Kamala is different from that, and I think you capture it pretty well. While she injects that same breath of fresh air, it's more a sigh of fucking relief and an assurance that she can keep us in sound hands and won't let us fall from the ledge into the authoritarian abyss that Trump represents, which just may well be a far more important role to play in our country's history.

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Yes, the enthusiasm for Obama was off the charts.

Hell, Obama even campaigned in Germany in 2008. 

 

edit: saw you linked that speech.  Twas a good one.  I remember watching it thinking, we need to elect this guy.

 

And I remember watching him speak at the 2004 DNC.  I turned to my wife and said "that guy is going to be the next President."

 

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@Brisketexan your father in law has escaped the asylum

7 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Tell me what he had. I need to know these things.

He had something with mild salsa

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Don't worry guys!! They're going to rally!!!

 

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Tonight she made the No Tax on Tips a moot issue and upped the ante with an increase in minimum wage. Excellent move. Trump's response is to whine, of course. 

 

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