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Frank Luntz has some blind spots but he's an otherwise good pollster.  He says here what the Biden people have always said.  Harris is getting 100% of the people who hated both Trump and Biden and now she's turning the soft Trump vote into "undecided."  I don't know if it's in this clip but he said he can't find "undecided" women for focus groups because they've all decided at this point:

 

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I would flip NV to blue, NC to yellow and then totally agree with that. 

NV flipping red and NC flipping blue in the same election - no way the shattered dreams of the GOP in 2016/2020 and the Dems in 2016/2020 happens in the same election. 

Yeah, looking like 319-219 to me...GA and NC both go blue with NC the only change vs last time.  If Trump really implodes Ds could maybe bring OH into play.  I just don't see it for FL or TX.

It's worth pointing out that the shuffling with the 2020 census means that a repeat of Biden's 306-232 map would tighten to 303-235.

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3 hours ago, Blotto said:

CNN out there pushing the boundaries of political thought, again. Twelve moves ahead of everyone else. 

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Timid incompetents. He still denies the last election, dumbasses.

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2 hours ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

So the campaign has no resources or field offices anymore and now will have to spend time and money defending previously "in the bag" EVs.  Nice.

Trump's consolation prize will be keeping his customer base intact. He'll evidently shock CNN by saying he was robbed. All new merch for the all new whine. 

 

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

Donold’s unwavering 43% seriously pisses me the fuck off. He’s not even fucking campaigning anymore.

This is our concern.

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13 minutes ago, WBT said:

It's worth pointing out that the shuffling with the 2020 census means that a repeat of Biden's 306-232 map would tighten to 303-235.

Well if they couldn't overturn a 74 EV loss, a 68 EV loss will definitely be overturnable! 

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I love Nancy Pelosi. 

With all the talk of the ineffective Dems, she personally stepped up. 

Her story must be fascinating. Being gorgeous & fighting sexism in those days that Trump wants us to return to so that she could apply her brilliance and strength to serving the country must make for a fascinating read. I'm very late to truly appreciating her.

If she indeed led the bold stroke to pressure Biden out of the race even though they are friends, then she is a dispassionate patriot with a keen perspective on priority. She's always known who Trump is. She's always read the threat he is. She sees the new paradigm. 

Trump is the kind of opponent she's likely longed for. He's the worst in American men particularly regarding women. She has fought great rear action battles when he was on the rise; now she can go over to the attack to break and finish him. 

Maybe her astonishing face belongs on Mount Rushmore. It's on mine.

Interesting that she was often at odds with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez whom I also admire above all others in Congress. I think AOC will come to appreciate Pelosi over time. She's also brilliant.

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Way to go Nancy, but she's also the most to blame for the ossified, octogenarian wing of the Dem party that is largely responsible for the tone-deaf and ineffective performance of a party that finds its policies overwhelmingly supported by the American people, and yet incapable of winning elections on those issues.

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5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Some with JFK, supposedly. 

Classy.

 

4 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Way to go Nancy, but she's also the most to blame for the ossified, octogenarian wing of the Dem party that is largely responsible for the tone-deaf and ineffective performance of a party that finds its policies overwhelmingly supported by the American people, and yet incapable of winning elections on those issues.

OMG! She's not perfect!

Yes, she's part of the old ways that are being shed. She has set up the world where those ways can be shed and a new way to emerge. Pretty good fucking contribution for an octogenarian. She pushed out the ossifying candidate. 

It's not something I'll likely be able to pull off in my 80s.

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

Classy.

 

OMG! She's not perfect!

Yes, she's part of the old ways that are being shed. She has set up the world where those ways can be shed and a new way to emerge. Pretty good fucking contribution for an octogenarian. She pushed out the ossifying candidate. 

It's not something I'll likely be able to pull off in my 80s.

She pushed out Joe, which really kept Harris' hands cleans and looks like it came from outside the WH and not from the VP's office, and stepped aside to let Jeffries serve as Minority Leader and get his feet wet at running the caucus with her mentorship until such time that the Dems take back the House and he is Speaker - likely in 4.5 months 

Could she have stepped aside sooner, like after the 2020 elections? Probably, but clearly she and Biden had ambitious plans and wanted to get them passed while they had the trifecta.  And they did. 

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5 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

How could I have never seen or heard of this American Classic?

On a site note, check out White Fire, another classic from the era, with incest, fluffy 80s hair, Fred Williamson, Belinda Mayne (at her peak) Robert Ginty (at his peak)

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6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

She pushed out Joe, which really kept Harris' hands cleans and looks like it came from outside the WH and not from the VP's office, and stepped aside to let Jeffries serve as Minority Leader and get his feet wet at running the caucus with her mentorship until such time that the Dems take back the House and he is Speaker - likely in 4.5 months 

Could she have stepped aside sooner, like after the 2020 elections? Probably, but clearly she and Biden had ambitious plans and wanted to get them passed while they had the trifecta.  And they did. 

When people talk about a dark jedi/illuminati pulling all the strings in this country, Nancy Pelosi is likely as close as you will get. 

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6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Classy.

 

OMG! She's not perfect!

Yes, she's part of the old ways that are being shed. She has set up the world where those ways can be shed and a new way to emerge. Pretty good fucking contribution for an octogenarian. She pushed out the ossifying candidate. 

It's not something I'll likely be able to pull off in my 80s.

Prior to the Harris switch, this board (rightfully) spent the last 8-10 years complaining about the National Dem's ineffectiveness, failure to respond, inability to push a coherent message, and negligent ground game. 

So yes, I believe she deserves criticism for the way the National Democratic Party has handled the last decade. Sorry that touched a nerve.

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19 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm so glad I found this again.

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5 hours ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

This chick fucking rules

She really does and she seems like the type to have her shit together.  She'd have your back if a fight broke out at the bowling alley, and I mean that in only the most positive of ways.

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Because someone mentioned Frank Putz

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"I would probably be more excited about this take had Frank Luntz not once put me in one of his made-for-TV focus groups because he forgot to screen out participants working in politics or journalism. In Washington DC.

The full story lives here: https://amandahoey.substack.com/p/a-democratic-pollster-in-frank-luntzs "

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5 hours ago, Goredho said:

Same.  "The Lord works in mysterious ways!"  The baptist side of my family would vote for Pontius Pilate if he had an R by his name.

I said the same thing to my mom. About her. Except I said she’d vote for Lucifer himself. 

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5 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

The interview also cast light on the discipline and strategy that has guided the reintroduction of Harris to the voting public. Harris ran for president in 2019–20 without igniting much enthusiasm. As vice president, she made little impact on governance. She campaigned hard in the 2022 midterms. Yet the groups she was supposed to excite—young people, Black Americans, women, and white female college graduates—posted generally lower turnout rates after her 2022 appeals than they did in the midterms of 2018. Before this summer, she was not widely regarded as a political star.

I don't know if the other candidates (including Harris) in 2020 really merit a discussion - it was always going to be Biden in my view.  It felt like "we can't have Obama for a third term, but let's get his VP, Biden!" I could be wrong, frequently am, and I admit to not paying too much attention to the early 2020 primaries, but it just always felt to me like it had to be Biden.

The Republicans and some of the left keep harping on her performance in 2020 and claim she was lackluster and boring, but does it really matter what her campaign was like in 2020 if here in 2024, she's getting people excited and hitting all the right notes?

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3 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

This will move the needle with Gen Z. It has the Ted Cruz seal of approval.

 
3 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

This will be popular with all the boomers on Facebook and literally nobody else.  

They put Musk's head on the Black guy's body.  I'm sure Musk would be thrilled with that.

 

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

A lot of people don’t have good first primary campaigns. What matters is now 

Big difference between running against 5+ real candidates with real policy ideas all cloaked in a purity test vs. a head-to-head matchup against a cartoon villain 

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Also—I don’t believe the press has “access” to these press conferences and instead they are pre chosen radical right wing news outlets who ask these questions. 

 

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong…

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