2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11667]

1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

public school corches become public school corches most of the time because they couldn't hack it as cops (which is already a low bar). think about that.

This is dumb. 

[mdmost 42617]

Just now, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

This is dumb. 

This is chainsaw /James Earl Jones voice

[chainsaw 9791]

1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

This is dumb. 

It's true that 90% are MAGA. What more evidence do you need?

[Chopper 17038]

Fact-check on the portion of Kamala Harris' speech relating to Ukraine.

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Trump, on the other hand, threatened to abandon NATO. He encouraged Putin to invade our allies. Said Russia could—quote—“do whatever the hell they want.”

Five days before Russia attacked Ukraine, I met with President Zelensky to warn him about Russia’s plan to invade. I helped mobilize a global response from over 50 countries—to defend against Putin’s aggression. And as President, I will stand strong with Ukraine and our NATO allies.

 

[immamac 42350]

Anyone who thinks Kamala isn't ready needs to watch that speech. She's ready.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11667]

 

[Chopper 17038]

Amanda Marcotte of Salon, who also attended the RNC convention, on the DNC:

[HalfSack Horn 149]

18 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

public school corches become public school corches most of the time because they couldn't hack it as cops (which is already a low bar). think about that.

What an utterly stupid and factually incorrect statement.  Are there Maga fucks as teachers and coaches, yes, but nowhere to the levels seen with cops.   Teachers as a whole, lean heavily towards Dems.  

[chainsaw 9791]

1 minute ago, HalfSack Horn said:

What an utterly stupid and factually incorrect statement.  Are there Maga fucks as teachers and coaches, yes, but nowhere to the levels seen with cops.   Teachers as a whole, lean heavily towards Dems.  

I thought we were talking about small town football coaches.

[WhatTheBuck 28694]

29 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

Didn't you hear Tim Walz's speech on Wednesday night? He's going to be reminding everyone in the campaign to play to the whistle/buzzer. Plus Minnesota sports fans have a long memory of seeing what happens when you take the foot off the gas too soon.

That line bugged me. It’s supposed to be play through the whistle. Maybe some would find that confusing. 

[Blotto 23352]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

How crazy would it be that two things turnip and radical republicans did during this convention would end up costing them bigly—

- making fun of Gus

- saying assistant coaches aren’t real coaches

 

 

Jesus.

 

LFG!

there is no doubt that I've begun the long slide into cynical old "this country is fucked while shaking fist at clouds" man , but that moment with Gus was for me probably the highlight of the entire damn convention. That scene was  emblematic of what politics at its best can be for an individual or even a country, and it put a huge smile on my face while simultaneously getting me  choked up. If I run into any MAGA cucks in real life that run their mouth about that moment, I'm gonna f'n go off bobby hill style.

 

 

Edited August 23 by Blotto

[Guadaloopy 10890]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Gotta get it all out before Brisket comes back from vacation and beats us back into fear and despair 

THIS ALL ENDS IN BLOOD!!!

[HenryJames 65811]

[chainsaw 9791]

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/08/harris-vs-trump-latest-presidential-poll-indicates-small-lead-is-exploding.html

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Harris has a seven-point advantage over Trump — 50% to 43% — nationally, per the latest Fairleigh Dickinson University survey. The poll showed “Harris’ lead grows substantially” over questions of race and gender.

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key takeaways from the survey:

Harris leads Trump 50 to 43 among likely voters.
Both Trump and Harris have the support of 95% of their respective political parties.
Harris leads Trump 38 to 33 among independents who do not lean toward either party
Seven percent said they will support someone else.

 

[Constant 6694]

Just now, HenryJames said:

He’s getting dangerously close to ‘black face’ territory. 

[tokamak 6339]

59 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I don’t know man, most football coaches are white guys in small rural towns and maga as fuck. He could call them cocksucking whistle jockeys, rape their wives on the 50 yard line, and they’d still weep for joy in support of their Cheeto god.

Biden won Arizona and Georgia by around 10k votes each - 0.31% and 0.24% margins respectively. There are no undecideds to persuade, despite what CNN thinks. Trump insulting his own voters isn't going to change their minds, but it might blunt their enthusiasm, which might cause them to stay home. And every little bit counts.

[chainsaw 9791]

I hope they realize how important it is to coin new terms by using them consistently.

It's not "Project 2025" it's "Trump's Project 2025." They're not abortion bans, they're "Trump Abortion Bans."

That's why "Biden Border Crisis" worked (sadly). Even if it's false, the time your opposition has to spend talking about it or trying to correct the record is them flailing around in quicksand. The more they try to deny it, the stronger it sticks. No matter what they say, there's zero doubt that Harris will be the better candidate on those issues.

[TwiceHorn 31016]

On 8/21/2024 at 3:36 PM, Sawbonz said:

Who the fuck goes to the dps to register to vote? I avoid that place like the plague 

Well, fuckstick I assume is referring to "motor voter" registrations, where you can do it concurrently with renewing a DL.

Obviously, fuckstick doesn't know what a clusterfuck DPS is.  And maybe we know now why DPS is such a clusterfuck.

[Js1 84939]

13 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/08/harris-vs-trump-latest-presidential-poll-indicates-small-lead-is-exploding.html

 

Pre-convention as well

[Chopper 17038]

US DOJ is going after a Harlan Crowe-founded business, which he later sold to incredibly shitty and unethical PE firm, Thoma Bravo. It's software designed to enable price fixing among large-scale housing owners. A Diaper Don DOJ would never even examine such a thing.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/23/business/economy/realpage-doj-antitrust-suit-rent.html

https://archive.ph/7Ar84

 

[YChang 3425]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Pre-convention as well

The positive Texas polling was pre-convention as well! At least Allred has seen  the light now. 

[chainsaw 9791]

I'm curious why the DNC hasn't seized on this story, by the way. Maybe the family didn't want to be involved for understandable reasons.

A young woman in Luling was killed by a Trump Abortion Ban (Cruz-Abbott Abortion Ban if you're Collin Allred).

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/01/15/abortion-high-risk-pregnancy-yeni-glick

 

[Js1 84939]

I know Pancho was probably watching, but Lawrence O’Donnell brought up a good point - the media was made aware of a very low profile race for California AG back in 2010, led by Karl Rove, who recognized that Harris was a future star/POTUS and was dead set on stopping her in that election. 

They failed. 

[Sawbonz 27208]

7 minutes ago, YChang said:

The positive Texas polling was pre-convention as well! At least Allred has seen  the light now. 

Allred might be able to singlehandedly flip Texas if he spent the next 70 days on the ground in Harris County getting people registered and working on logistics for early voting, etc. 

 

Oh well

[The Dog 43706]

6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I know Pancho was probably watching, but Lawrence O’Donnell brought up a good point - the media was made aware of a very low profile race for California AG back in 2010, led by Karl Rove, who recognized that Harris was a future star/POTUS and was dead set on stopping her in that election. 

They failed. 

Rove is smart. 

My uncle has lived in the Bay Area for over 20 years and told my late mother about her back when she was still AG or maybe a senator. He said "she's going to be president."

[mdmost 42617]

This should help. He should've cut rates last month. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/23/fed-chair-powell-indicates-interest-rate-cuts-ahead-the-time-has-come-for-policy-to-adjust.html

[The Dog 43706]

Conway breaking his arm patting himself on the back:

[Guadaloopy 10890]

14 minutes ago, Chopper said:

US DOJ is going after a Harlan Crowe-founded business

You don't need to be concerned with a Harlan Crowe - that's just Dewey.  It's the Florida Crowes you need to worry about.

[HenryJames 65811]

[Js1 84939]

4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Rove is smart. 

My uncle has lived in the Bay Area for over 20 years and told my late mother about her back when she was still AG or maybe a senator. He said "she's going to be president."

And they got close to stopping her - 46.1, 45.3 in a very red midterm. She knows tough races 

[YChang 3425]

8 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Allred might be able to singlehandedly flip Texas if he spent the next 70 days on the ground in Harris County getting people registered and working on logistics for early voting, etc. 

 

Oh well

People shit on Beto, but thankfully you have him still out there tirelessly working on voter registration for reasons like that. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20328]

 

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39220]

14 minutes ago, mdmost said:

This should help. He should've cut rates last month. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/23/fed-chair-powell-indicates-interest-rate-cuts-ahead-the-time-has-come-for-policy-to-adjust.html

Haven't read the article but I had heard they may cut twice before election.

[Skipper 5999]

50 minutes ago, immamac said:

Anyone who thinks Kamala isn't ready needs to watch that speech. She's ready.

Agreed.  It was pretty impressive.  When she first took over the nomination I was of the opinion it wasn't likely she would have risen to the top of a true open Democratic primary.  After watching that speech (which is the definitively the most I've paid attention to her since the 2020 nomination process) I think pretty likely she would have come out on top in any event.  Not that it matters now, but in hindsight in an alternative scenario where Biden was still running, he really should have put her more in the spotlight. She had low favorability partially because she didn't seem to really do much or be highlighted as VP.  I was (wrongly) in the category believing she was a liability to Biden.   But the Kamala we saw last night would have put any concern about her taking over for Biden to bed.  Of course, that might have been the exact reason Biden staffers didn't want to put her in the spotlight if they were trying to avoid Biden stepping down.

In any event - I have not gone back and read the thread but I assume the consensus is she absolutely knocked it out of the park and I agree.

['stache 21726]

Yeah, I don't remember being very much impressed with her in the 2020 primaries, but she's killing it right now.

[C-Man 26907]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Hot/Not

 

26 minutes ago, YChang said:

People shit on Beto, but thankfully you have him still out there tirelessly working on voter registration for reasons like that. 

Beto is my guy. Texas doesn't deserve him at this time. I hope that one day this state will some day get to a point where we can send him to DC as a US senator.

[YChang 3425]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Beto is my guy. Texas doesn't deserve him at this time. I hope that one day this state will some day get to a point where we can send him to DC as a US senator.

Yeah, maybe after a cooling off period, he can try again.

[TexasEd 8056]

13 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

Get real,  a staffer snuck onto Trump's account while he was napping to post this.

 

10 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The C is either a liar about the grade, their undecided status, or is a policy honk. Guessing it’s 2 since watching that moved them to team Trump. 

The C vote on the speech is a Real Estate Agent.  He likes Trump's pardon policy for J6 rioters

[Skipper 5999]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yeah, I don't remember being very much impressed with her in the 2020 primaries, but she's killing it right now.

I could be off but what I vaguely remember is she had one pretty decent debate performance early but then seemed to trail off and not really distinguish herself.  I seem to recall my personal preference towards the end was Delaney (never had a chance), then Biden, Klobuchar/Pete/Kamala with a pretty big gap after Biden.

[Js1 84939]

Just now, 'stache said:

Yeah, I don't remember being very much impressed with her in the 2020 primaries, but she's killing it right now.

A lot of really good candidates got lost in the noise of 20 people running.  She had a really good debate moment with Biden, but its damn hard to break out with 20+ people, many of whom were much higher household names than her (Biden, Bernie, Warren). She participated in the first 5 primary debates, which featured 10 in the first debate (on the 2nd night), 10 in the second debate (again on the 2nd night), 10 in the third debate, 12 in the fourth debate and 10 in the fifth debate.

When Biden stepped down and some stuff came out from her 2020 run, including a couple of ads, people were salivating over them and just likely never saw them since she dropped out pre-Iowa. 

She's improved substantially - 2020 VP run was very good, her debate with Pence was very good and she's had 4 years basically just giving speeches and politicking. 

[TexasEd 8056]

7 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Agreed.  It was pretty impressive.  When she first took over the nomination I was of the opinion it wasn't likely she would have risen to the top of a true open Democratic primary.  After watching that speech (which is the definitively the most I've paid attention to her since the 2020 nomination process) I think pretty likely she would have come out on top in any event.  Not that it matters now, but in hindsight in an alternative scenario where Biden was still running, he really should have put her more in the spotlight. She had low favorability partially because she didn't seem to really do much or be highlighted as VP.  I was (wrongly) in the category believing she was a liability to Biden.   But the Kamala we saw last night would have put any concern about her taking over for Biden to bed.  Of course, that might have been the exact reason Biden staffers didn't want to put her in the spotlight if they were trying to avoid Biden stepping down.

In any event - I have not gone back and read the thread but I assume the consensus is she absolutely knocked it out of the park and I agree.

The timing of the switch was perfect whether planned or not.

1. Trump focused everything on Biden and it was like Kamala who?  for uncommitted voters
2. The election was framed about which old guy was the least bad - but both old low energy guys
3. She got through without a primary to defend herself against other Dems.
4. The switch was after the RNC and it's focus was still on sleepy Joe

[Guadaloopy 10890]

8 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

The C vote on the speech is a Real Estate Agent.  He likes Trump's pardon policy for J6 rioters

He also heard that Trump supports a tax credit for vehicle leases.

[Js1 84939]

8 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

The switch was after the RNC and it's focus was still on sleepy Joe

LMAO, 60% of the time, Don-old is running against some mythical Biden-Shapiro ticket anyhow.  He living in his own reality, sometimes lucid enough to remember he's running against Harris until the Adderall wears off and he goes back to his low-energy shitposting on Truth Social about Joe Biden.

[4th&Five 41435]

47 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

 

i started  laughing as soon as i saw the maxi pad on his ear.

[Fudge Nuggets 19097]

22 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

Good lord. Fox and Friends served up a meatball right down the middle of the plate and Trump whiffed.

 

In fairness, the Walz clip was about a minute long.  No one can expect a 78 year old dementia patient to pay attention for that amount of time.

[Js1 84939]

538 forecast is back up: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

Harris at 58-41 to win

287-251 EC
49.6 - 45.6 PV

[heso 2747]

2 hours ago, Pancho said:

Per MSNBC
 

Dem insiders saying their internal polling isn’t “as rosy” as the general polling in the swing states and they hope this convention will help with some separation

My concern in PA with the switch from Biden to Kamala is that the latent racism and misogyny in a portion of the old white dems lowers turnout. 

There’s a house I drive by when I go get tacos for lunch that has had a Biden Harris sign for like 6-8 months. Since the house next door has blossomed into full maga regalia. Last time I drove by the Biden sign is gone with nothing replacing it. 

Obviously just a single observation that likely means absolutely nothing. But my fear is that PA doesn’t come through for Harris the way it did for Biden. 

It was clear that enthusiasm for both old men was way down across the board. 

I’m hopeful that there a lot of people that haven’t yet formed an opinion of Kamala.  Hopefully they were watching last night.

That first debate could absolutely sway the battleground states significantly. The Trump campaign knows that which is why they were trying hard to get a Fox News debate out in front. I fully expect him to host a town hall on Fox and then say “well since she didn’t come to the one on Fox, I’m not going to the abc one.”

Im not sure how real any of my concerns with PA should be, vs just irrational fear. 

[mdmost 42617]

That's what Walz was selected to help out with, the fragile white male voter. 

[atomheartbevo 89295]

34 minutes ago, Js1 said:

A lot of really good candidates got lost in the noise of 20 people running.  She had a really good debate moment with Biden, but its damn hard to break out with 20+ people, many of whom were much higher household names than her (Biden, Bernie, Warren). 

It didn’t help that, for better or for worse, a lot of people had already picked Biden aka “Help us Joe Biden, you’re our only hope!” Both because of his being Obama’s VP (mostly that) but also he had been around and could handle Trump.

[heso 2747]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

538 forecast is back up: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

Harris at 58-41 to win

287-251 EC
49.6 - 45.6 PV

They need to tune their model. There shouldn’t be any scenarios where Trump gets 532 or Harris gets 496.