2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Dnaguy 11947]

3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

As others have said, this is hilariously made up. As someone who paid an insane amount of money, like 2-3 car payments a month on daycare for ONE child, who was taken care of by a lot of women who struggled to speak english and likely weren't even documented...LOL. 

Daycares pay for cheap labor and charge out the ass for people who can afford it, pocket the difference, just like unbridled capitalism intended. 

This.

Childcare has to be one of the biggest drags to the US economy out there.

It incentivizes people to pay under the table, it keeps people out of the work force, and the front line workers don’t make close to a living wage.

There needs to be public childcare starting at 3. Super head start or whatever. I’d even try and make it 2.

I shouldn’t have to pay more for day care than I would for private college. 

[Js1 85313]

8 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

Fine with me, but you need to glitch in the 2005 college football season somehow.

2002-2005 was a good time to be a Texas fan, I want all of that included.

2002 CWS champs
2003 WCWS appearance / top 4 finish
2003 Final Four (MBB)
2003 Final Four (WBB)
2004 Rose Bowl Champs
2005 BCS Champs
2005 CWS champs
2005 WCWS appearance / top 4 finish

[Haphap 741]

 

[Thatguy 8687]

17 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

Childcare has to be one of the biggest drags to the US economy out there.

It incentivizes people to pay under the table, it keeps people out of the work force, and the front line workers don’t make close to a living wage.

There needs to be public childcare starting at 3. Super head start or whatever. I’d even try and make it 2.

I shouldn’t have to pay more for day care than I would for private college. 

Yeah, we had to put the kid in daycare a year early just to be eligible for the preK. When I stopped paying that bill I felt like I got a raise.

[LCHorn 2616]

12 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Childcare has to be one of the biggest drags to the US economy out there.

It was probably my secret crush Annie Lowery in The Atlantic that I saw this, but a conservative, in good-faith policy towards child care costs might be something like paying mothers a UBI or a child stipend.  Her point (if I’m attributing it correctly) was that household labor and child-rearing is just something our economic measures fail to capture; it clearly offers huge value because we can gauge it off what third party providers charge.  
 

This would, of course, be very in keeping with a conservative, family values first campaign that no one will really run on because the GOP donor class care only about tax cuts and fucking over brown people.  

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

1 minute ago, Haphap said:

 

His mind is mush, of course, but I don't like the fact that Kamala HQ edited what he said to make it appear more mush-filled. 

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

3 minutes ago, Haphap said:

 

[The Original Greaser Bob 2830]

I'll allow it.

[Thatguy 8687]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

His mind is mush, of course, but I don't like the fact that Kamala HQ edited what he said to make it appear more mush-filled. 

They would've needed two pages to get everything and it still wouldn't have made any more sense than what they typed.

[chainsaw 9865]

Just now, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I'll allow it.

When they go low, we go low better.

[Chopper 17230]

Surrender in Virginia (and NH and MN)

Spoiler

Trump campaign pulls away from three target states after Harris surge

Ex-president diverts resources from states he boasted about winning while Biden was Democratic candidate

Robert Tait
Thu 5 Sep 2024 12.49 EDT
Last modified on Thu 5 Sep 2024 15.29 EDT

Donald Trump has quietly wound down his presidential campaign in states he was targeting just six weeks ago amid polling evidence showing that Kamala Harris’s entry into the presidential race has put them out of reach and narrowed his path to the White House.

The Republican presidential nominee’s campaign has diverted resources away from Minnesota, Virginia and New Hampshire – states Trump was boasting he could win while Joe Biden was the Democratic candidate – to focus instead on a small number of battleground states.

Special attention is being paid to Pennsylvania, which has 19 electoral college votes, and where a new CNN poll shows Trump and Harris tied at 47% each.

Resources have also been transferred to southern and south-western Sun belt states – namely North Carolina, Georgia Nevada and Arizona – where Trump previously had healthy leads over Biden that have been whittled away since Harris replaced the US president at the top of the Democratic ticket.

Maga Inc, a Trump-supporting Super Pac, has recently spent $16m in adverts in North Carolina as polls have shown Harris close to drawing even in a state the Democrats carried just once in presidential elections since 1980.

The tactical shift is a graphic sign of how the dynamics of the electoral contest have shifted since the Republican national convention in July, when euphoric Trump campaigners talked confidently of winning Minnesota, Virginia and New Hampshire.

Democrats have carried all three in recent presidential polls but Biden’s support showed signs of serious erosion following June’s calamitous debate performance in Atlanta – prompting bullish Republican forecasts that they would be “in play” in November.

An internal Trump campaign memo even before the debate posited ways that the former president could carry Minnesota and Virginia – partly helped by the presence of the independent candidate Robert F Kennedy Jr, whose campaign was initially thought to pose a greater threat to Biden before contrary polling evidence changed Trump’s calculus.

As optimism surged, Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, held a rally in Minnesota shortly after the Republican convention, while the campaign said it planned to open eight offices in the state and build up staff.

Since then, Harris replaced Biden and chose the Minnesota governor, Tim Walz, as her running mate – helping her to shore up local support – while Kennedy has suspended his campaign and endorsed Trump.

Harris’s ascent has also infused the Democrats’ supporters with fresh enthusiasm, leading to a surge in popularity that has propelled her into a small but consistent national poll lead and a fundraising bonanza that saw her campaign raise $540m in August alone.

The predicted rash of new Trump offices and hires in Minnesota appears not to have happened, Axios reported.
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In Virginia – the site of Vance’s first solo rally after being appointed to the ticket – Trump has not staged a rally for six weeks and the campaign has stopped citing memos claiming it can flip the state. Its apparent slide down the priority list is a far cry from 28 June, when the former president staged a rally in Chesapeake a day after his ultimately race-changing debate with Biden.

The clearest evidence of the switch in campaign’s thinking has come in New Hampshire, which a former Trump field worker said this week that it was no longer trying to win.

Trump has not appeared there since winning the Republican primary in January and has not sent a major surrogate since the spring, despite New Hampshire being identified by Michael Whatley, chair of the Republican National Committee, after the June debate as one of the states the Trump campaign was targeting to expand its electoral wining map.

Recent polls have shown Harris leading outside the margin of error.

“This election is going to be won in those seven swing states,” Lou Gargiulo, the co-chair of Trump’s campaign in New Hampshire, told Politico. “That’s where the effort’s got to be put.”

 

[SydneyCarton 48079]

42 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Nate - Oh Harris up 1 in PA? That’s basically down 3 after I adjust them 

Also Trump - 46, 45, 44, 43

There’s that ceiling again 

I get what you're saying, but the consistent fucking stubborness of PA to be basically a dead heat is both astounding me, pissing me off, and the major nagging issue I have with this race at the moment. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

42 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

Fine with me, but you need to glitch in the 2005 college football season somehow.

Agreed, along with 2003, 2007, and 2019 football seasons. 

[Aqua Buddha 14590]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I get what you're saying, but the consistent fucking stubborness of PA to be basically a dead heat is both astounding me, pissing me off, and the major nagging issue I have with this race at the moment. 

If she wins NV, AZ, NC, MI, and WI, then she doesn't need PA.  (She'll win PA.  Philly and the burbs will turn out heavy.)

[chainsaw 9865]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If she wins NV, AZ, NC, MI, and WI, then she doesn't need PA.  (She'll win PA.  Philly and the burbs will turn out heavy.)

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13583]

12 minutes ago, Haphap said:

 

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I want to stay with child care

Potential to cause a fissure with the Kids Should Get Jobs wing of the GQP, but this is just the kind of out-of-the-box, don't give a shit boldness of leadership America craves. 

[SydneyCarton 48079]

38 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

Childcare has to be one of the biggest drags to the US economy out there.

It incentivizes people to pay under the table, it keeps people out of the work force, and the front line workers don’t make close to a living wage.

There needs to be public childcare starting at 3. Super head start or whatever. I’d even try and make it 2.

I shouldn’t have to pay more for day care than I would for private college. 

Not nit picking here, but the general range of daycare in Houston was 11-1500 a month per kid. You'd get like a 1-200 discount for multiple kids per month, but it's a fucking rake. That being said, private school starts at around 24k a year per kid, and goes up to 40, and I think private colleges now are 25-40 as well. 

4 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

If she wins NV, AZ, NC, MI, and WI, then she doesn't need PA.  (She'll win PA.  Philly and the burbs will turn out heavy.)

Listen, I'm all for NC being a purple battleground with a douchebag for a Gubernatorial candidate, but I'd rather not have to count on "Well, if we don't get PA we can win anyway with these other 5 states."

[C-Man 27217]

His mind is mush, of course, but I don't like the fact that Kamala HQ edited what he said to make it appear more mush-filled. 

What did they edit really? They just stopped transcribing his non-answer. I hope Kamala calls him out next week for failing to answer the questions at the debate.

Trump is the kid called up to do a book report in front of the class — yet hasn’t read the book.

[TeeDubya 3362]

20 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

When they go low, we go low better.

This.  For too fucking long the Democrats tried to take the high road.  Fuck that.

[Haphap 741]

failing his job interview
 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14590]

10 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Not nit picking here, but the general range of daycare in Houston was 11-1500 a month per kid. You'd get like a 1-200 discount for multiple kids per month, but it's a fucking rake. That being said, private school starts at around 24k a year per kid, and goes up to 40, and I think private colleges now are 25-40 as well. 

Listen, I'm all for NC being a purple battleground with a douchebag for a Gubernatorial candidate, but I'd rather not have to count on "Well, if we don't get PA we can win anyway with these other 5 states."

I agree on NC.  I think GA is more likely.  If she wins GA along with the others, she can still lose PA and NC.

I just don't think she loses any of them.

[LCHorn 2616]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I just don't think she loses any of them.

I don’t either, but I also think pollster methodology has over corrected after the 2016 surprise and they are exaggerating Trump support.  
 

[SydneyCarton 48079]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I agree on NC.  I think GA is more likely.  If she wins GA along with the others, she can still lose PA and NC.

I just don't think she loses any of them.

Well, I'm glad you're confdient. The stubborn lack of any kind of movement in PA is concerning AF to me. 

[chainsaw 9865]

Just now, LCHorn said:

I don’t either, but I also think pollster methodology has over corrected after the 2016 surprise and they are exaggerating Trump support.  
 

This is it.

[Aqua Buddha 14590]

1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

I don’t either, but I also think pollster methodology has over corrected after the 2016 surprise and they are exaggerating Trump support.  
 

There is also the hidden vote after Dobbs.  It's been consistent in that all of the polls under represent the Dems by 5-8 points.  

[UT_OB1 2218]

50 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

Childcare has to be one of the biggest drags to the US economy out there.

It incentivizes people to pay under the table, it keeps people out of the work force, and the front line workers don’t make close to a living wage.

There needs to be public childcare starting at 3. Super head start or whatever. I’d even try and make it 2.

I shouldn’t have to pay more for day care than I would for private college. 

Not that public ed doesn’t have its own host of problems, but I’d be for rolling it in to public ed, but make it optional until K so that parents that have the means and desire to stay home can still, but also give those without the means the ability to go back to work. Also do away with summer as a long break so that those families done have to find a place to pay $500 a week all summer and wipe out any of the income they made during the year. Also extend school after hours (optional), especially at the younger ages so because 8-3 doesn’t really line up with any adults work schedule, and wtf are you supposed to do with a 3 year old after they get out of schoool. Divert about 1% of the defense budget away to bump teacher pay, hire more teachers for the new pre-pre-K grades and extended optional hours 

[Pancho 44759]

Hello human sandwich eaters of Pennsylvania, I’m JV Vance

 

 

 

[Macanudo 12976]

I'm really sick of hearing the phrase "path to victory."

Why can't we just beat the orange shitstain like a drum?

[Blotto 23498]

 

I bet that fucker ate it with a straw somehow.

Edited September 5 by Blotto

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

Damn, that's a lot of coleslaw. Makes me wonder if that's how the sandwich is supposed to be or if he just got served that sandwich because it's funny to give the couch fucker a coleslaw sandwich.

[henrygandorf 29189]

47 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

His mind is mush, of course, but I don't like the fact that Kamala HQ edited what he said to make it appear more mush-filled. 

here’s a more neutral caption for you. though the word “answer” should be in quotes. 

[Snake Diggity 4621]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

This.

Childcare has to be one of the biggest drags to the US economy out there.

It incentivizes people to pay under the table, it keeps people out of the work force, and the front line workers don’t make close to a living wage.

There needs to be public childcare starting at 3. Super head start or whatever. I’d even try and make it 2.

I shouldn’t have to pay more for day care than I would for private college. 

The Snake Diggity Education Bill:

Public education starts at age 2

Mandated student:teacher ratios no greater than 5:1 for preschool (age 2-4), 10:1 for Elementary, 15:1 in Middle school, 25:1 High School

Guardians receive a total of 6 months paid parental leave from their employer plus an additional 18 months unpaid parental leave (for a total combined 2 years leave), and can borrow up to 75% of their prior year’s income interest free, with the principal being deducted from future social security payments spread over the first 5 years of receiving SSI.

Edited September 5 by Snake Diggity

[Brisketexan 105096]

15 minutes ago, UT_OB1 said:

Not that public ed doesn’t have its own host of problems, but I’d be for rolling it in to public ed, but make it optional until K so that parents that have the means and desire to stay home can still, but also give those without the means the ability to go back to work. Also do away with summer as a long break so that those families done have to find a place to pay $500 a week all summer and wipe out any of the income they made during the year. Also extend school after hours (optional), especially at the younger ages so because 8-3 doesn’t really line up with any adults work schedule, and wtf are you supposed to do with a 3 year old after they get out of schoool. Divert about 1% of the defense budget away to bump teacher pay, hire more teachers for the new pre-pre-K grades and extended optional hours 

Imagine investing in our human capital (our children) by providing them 1) a safe place to be during work hours, 2) basic nutrition (breakfast and lunch for 3 yr olds is super-cheap), and 3) even some initial play-based education, reading time (yes, read books to young kids, it's an easy way to fill time and stimulate their brains).  And then layer on the fact that you are freeing up our adult human capital to work (because they have a place for their kids to go), get a degree to better themselves, etc.

If we invest in our people, the ROI is incredible.

But nope.  We won't ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do anything like what I just wrote.  Because SOCIALISMCOMMUNISMMARXISMWOKEIFYOUCAN'TPAYFORYOURKIDSDON'THAVETHEMBUTATTHESAMETIMEWEAREPROFAMILYANDWANTYOUTOHAVELOTSOFKIDS!

Edited September 5 by Brisketexan

[honolulu horn 6158]

When our kids were in day care, a year of day care cost more than a year of college tuition in 8 of the universities in the Big XII. 

[Brisketexan 105096]

4 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

I'm really sick of hearing the phrase "path to victory."

Why can't we just beat the orange shitstain like a drum?

Oh....no.  What we NEED to do is a lot more than that.  We need to fucking destroy, humiliate, and ruin him, driving him into exile.

But we won't.  We'll still probably find a way to lose this, because enough of our fellow Americans are the perfect blend of gullible, stupid, and ultra-shitty human beings.

[Brisketexan 105096]

1 minute ago, honolulu horn said:

When our kids were in day care, a year of day care cost more than a year of college tuition in 8 of the universities in the Big XII. 

To be fair, the education at the average day care is probably higher quality than, say, Texas Tech.

[honolulu horn 6158]

A good Republican answer to the child care question was provided above: lower taxes so that people keep more money in their pocket so they can afford day care. 

A good Democrat answer is provided by Brisket: provide assistance so that day care costs are lowered, understanding that the investment in kid's welfare is good for the entire country. 

A bad answer is: "Well, I would do that and we're sitting down, you know, I was, somebody, we had Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka… But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about that because the child care is, child care couldn't, you know, there's something you have to have it in this country, you have to have it... I want to stay with child care… So we'll take care of it. Thank you"

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

To be fair, the education at the average day care is probably higher quality than, say, Texas Tech.

fair point

[Snake Diggity 4621]

1 minute ago, honolulu horn said:

When our kids were in day care, a year of day care cost more than a year of college tuition in 8 of the universities in the Big XII. 

One month of daycare for one of my kids cost me more than an entire semester of tuition and fees when I went to Texas.  I had 2 kids that required over 70 combined months of daycare.  I probably paid 10x in daycare vs what I paid in total tuition/fees during my 5 years at UT.

[Brisketexan 105096]

5 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

One month of daycare for one of my kids cost me more than an entire semester of tuition and fees when I went to Texas.  I had 2 kids that required over 70 combined months of daycare.  I probably paid 10x in daycare vs what I paid in total tuition/fees during my 5 years at UT.

Yes, but when you were at Texas, you probably shit your pants slightly less often than your kids in daycare did.  And wiping up people's shit costs extra.  At least, that's what the lady in Vegas told me.

[Tuco 5076]

5 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

A good Republican answer to the child care question was provided above: lower taxes so that people keep more money in their pocket so they can afford day care. 

A good Democrat answer is provided by Brisket: provide assistance so that day care costs are lowered, understanding that the investment in kid's welfare is good for the entire country. 

A bad answer is: "Well, I would do that and we're sitting down, you know, I was, somebody, we had Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka… But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about that because the child care is, child care couldn't, you know, there's something you have to have it in this country, you have to have it... I want to stay with child care… So we'll take care of it. Thank you"

fair point

Ok, be critical all you want, but do you know how long it took his handlers to coach him for that answer.  His initial impulse was "just threaten to deport your nanny if she complains about not getting paid the promised wage."

[DigglerontheHoof 21190]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

To be fair, the education at the average day care is probably higher quality than, say, Texas Tech.

Edited September 5 by DigglerontheHoof

[Js1 85313]

53 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I get what you're saying, but the consistent fucking stubborness of PA to be basically a dead heat is both astounding me, pissing me off, and the major nagging issue I have with this race at the moment. 

There's been a lot said below, but it should be said:

The polls had Oz winning the Senate race by 0.5   He lost by 5
The polls had Shapiro winning the Governor race by 10.  He won by 15.

The polls will never be perfect.  They are actually *gasp* allowed to be off in the Dem's favor. 

[MissingInAction 25041]

19 hours ago, Post Oak said:

If you start the email with "team" you're automatically a fucking knob and I have lost what little respect I had for you.

Our stakeholders would like a word.

[Pancho 44759]

14 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

When our kids were in day care, a year of day care cost more than a year of college tuition in 8 of the universities in the Big XII. 

 

A day care in the hood would cost you $20 a day, max. 

 

Your kid comes back home with a fresh finger wave, some greens in a cup, and a knowledge of culture. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20395]

 

 

 

[Js1 85313]

For once, he told the truth! 

[South Austin 52464]

6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

A day care in the hood would cost you $20 a day, max. 

Your kid comes back home with a fresh finger wave, some greens in a cup, and a knowledge of culture. 

What's the waiting list for that kind of deal?

[Hank Kingsley 20921]

 

[Js1 85313]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

 

Nobody works a wine circuit like our Pete. Glad we have him on our side 

[TeeDubya 3362]

36 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

To be fair, the education at the average day care is probably higher quality than, say, Texas Tech.