2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Red Five 41590]

21 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

I guess “divorced from reality” doesn’t move the NYT’s needle.

"Less focused" got me. 

"They're eating the dogs. They're eating the pets. Biden took all of FEMAs money and gave it to illegal immigrants, who btw are all murderers." 

[cactusflinthead 27626]

Older conservative has regrets 

And an old school FW County Commissioner and later Judge goes on the record for Kamala. He had already pissed off the GOP a few years ago when he called them out on cutting school funding. He no longer gives a damn what they think about him 

 

[Pato del Muerto 53325]

I think the point was made upthread, but how often are there many instances of prominent people publicly going against their party for an election, especially a prominent one much less the presidency?  
 

Common sense tells me that if this is happening, it must be an opinion that is held by quite a few and that will bear itself out at the ballot box. But we are America, so we can’t rely on common sense with these things. And I also see things like the fact that he won the nomination with ease and no effort, and that the polls do not reflect a Republican voting block that has a statistically significant break to Harris.  
 

So what can we make of these opposing data points?

Edited October 6 by Pato del Muerto

[Texas Flood 1381]

2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 

“Let Walz be Walz”

[Longhorn_Fan68 34078]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Oh, you think?? Finally gonna question if the 78 year old with a melted crayon for brain has an age issue??

Rhetorical ramblings? is that what those are? not lies? you sure?

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

23 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I think the point was made upthread, but how often are there many instances of prominent people publicly going against their party for an election, especially a prominent one much less the presidency?  
 

Common sense tells me that if this is happening, it must be an opinion that is held by quite a few and that will bear itself out at the ballot box. But we are America, so we can’t rely on common sense with these things. And I also see things like the fact that he won the nomination with ease and no effort, and that the polls do not reflect a Republican voting block that has a statistically significant break to Harris.  
 

So what can we make of these opposing data points?

It’s a continuation of this. 
 

 

The voices you hear are likely to be educated.  You can see more every day what those people think of the right. 

[Red Five 41590]

It’s a continuation of this. 
 

 
The voices you hear are likely to be educated.  You can see more every day what those people think of the right. 

Look at where that starts to really take off…. Birth of the internet, Fox, and prime Rush Limbaugh.

[Slacks 7018]

37 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I think the point was made upthread, but how often are there many instances of prominent people publicly going against their party for an election, especially a prominent one much less the presidency?  
 

Common sense tells me that if this is happening, it must be an opinion that is held by quite a few and that will bear itself out at the ballot box. But we are America, so we can’t rely on common sense with these things. And I also see things like the fact that he won the nomination with ease and no effort, and that the polls do not reflect a Republican voting block that has a statistically significant break to Harris.  
 

So what can we make of these opposing data points?

Trust but verify

[YChang 3531]

I totally understand that college isn’t for everyone, but there still needs to be some amount of history/literature type courses to foster critical thinking for people who go through the trade school route. 

[SydneyCarton 49321]

13 minutes ago, YChang said:

I totally understand that college isn’t for everyone, but there still needs to be some amount of history/literature type courses to foster critical thinking for people who go through the trade school route. 

You should have to pass the same civics tests immigrants must pass every 4 years to get a voting card. 

[Underdog 29095]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

You should have to pass the same civics tests immigrants must pass every 4 years to get a voting card. 

Well shit. 

[SydneyCarton 49321]

3 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Well shit. 

That’s ok, we’ll let you slide 

[Js1 86915]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You should have to pass the same civics tests immigrants must pass every 4 years to get a voting card. 

At least to serve in Congress. Looking at you, Coach Tuberville 

[SydneyCarton 49321]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

At least to serve in Congress. Looking at you, Coach Tuberville 

Everyone serving in congress should be forced to put their assets in a blind trust. Period. That should separate grift from people who actually want to serve 

[Underdog 29095]

8 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That’s ok, we’ll let you slide 

Appreciate it. 

[Js1 86915]

Interesting article today by Cohn about weighing via recall vote and it may be underestimating Harris and deliberately giving 2020 close elections results in their numbers 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/06/upshot/polling-methods-election.html
 

[WBT 20879]

23 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

You should have to pass the same civics tests immigrants must pass every 4 years to get a voting card. 

Yeah!  Or at least a basic literacy test.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Either joking is going on on this page or I ❤️ Jim Crow laws is going on on this page.

[Underdog 29095]

16 minutes ago, WBT said:

Yeah!  Or at least a basic literacy test.

Dammit! 

[wood 11747]

Marjorie Taylor Greene Doubles Down on Weather Comments After Backlash

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-doubles-down-weather-comments-after-backlash-1964508

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

1 hour ago, YChang said:

I totally understand that college isn’t for everyone, but there still needs to be some amount of history/literature type courses to foster critical thinking for people who go through the trade school route. 

If you grow up in a small town and at 5 years old forward are told Obama is a Muslim as if even if it were true that made him automatically a bad person- its hard for even facts or statistics to break them out of it.

Really takes them moving to a city and being exposed personally to people of all different backgrounds and cultures for the light bulb to go off. At least thats my thought growing up around rural MAGA.

Edited October 6 by Loch Ness Monster

[Willfully Horn 8204]

I remember when hurricanes and natural disasters were described as evidence of God’s displeasure. The only constant is the dumb.

[Pancho 46040]

[Nice Guy Eddie 13706]

Elon has lost some weight. Good for him.

Edited October 6 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Js1 86915]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Elon has lost some weight. Good for him.

Oh-oh-ozempic!

[Kermit 3162]

6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh-oh-ozempic!

Or meth.

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

It’s a continuation of this. 
 

 

The voices you hear are likely to be educated.  You can see more every day what those people think of the right. 

 

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Look at where that starts to really take off…. Birth of the internet, Fox, and prime Rush Limbaugh.

Eh, not sure I agree with your police work there.  The point of inflection is 1992, and since then every successful candidate has been a newcomer or outsider perceived as disruptive 
 

Obama was broadly perceived in the same terms as Trump by the people who have been damaged the most by the consolidation of productivity gains- disruptive to the establishment order. And you can go back further than that.

Think about it this way: these are the presidents elected since WWII:

- sitting president/VP/Senator

- Supreme Allied Commander

- Sitting Senator

- Sitting President/VP/Senate Maj Leader

- Former VP
Vietnam ends

- Outsider Governor

- Radical Governor

- sitting VP CIA Director, VP, congressman, ambassador, son of powerful senator (return to establishment via next man up)

1992

- Southern Governor

- Southern Governor 

- First term senator

- Notorious Celebrity

 

The relevant historical Trend here is that the white working class has been in political and cultural rebellion since the end of Vietnam and starting with Bill Clinton through Obama to Trump you see the recipe being refined to its essentials.

[Willfully Horn 8204]

9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Elon has lost some weight. Good for him.

Satan’s cheerleaders are on a strict diet of semen.

[grazinhorn 472]

On 10/5/2024 at 8:58 AM, Bullneck said:

Next time I'm in Freehold I'm eating at Roberto's Diner.

Lived in town there for a while 10+ years ago, and while I'm pretty sure ownership has changed I have no doubt that place is still a great diner.  Had breakfast there dozens of Thursday mornings.

Being that Freehold was the Boss's hometown, it was understood that he showed up for things fairly often but kept a low profile - and was pretty successful at that.  Pretty sure I saw him twice - once at the annual Christmas Tree lighting, and the other at one of the summer cruise nights.  I think it's pretty cool to see him do that piece.

[wood 11747]

4 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Satan’s cheerleaders are on a strict diet of semen.

IIRC it's called the Liucci - Stoops plan.

[BrickHorn 18424]

3 hours ago, Red Five said:

"Less focused" got me. 

"They're eating the dogs. They're eating the pets. Biden took all of FEMAs money and gave it to illegal immigrants, who btw are all murderers." 

Shortly into Trump’s term, I attended a talk by James Baker. He was asked for his thoughts on the Trump Admin and his response stuck with me: “He just needs more discipline.”

Normalcy bias and giving Trump the benefit of the doubt conspired to fuck the world over. These professional clowns repeatedly reacted to an empty, narcissistic parasite as if he were a normal human being that they, as seasoned politicians and manipulators of powerful people, could control. Whether naïveté or willful blindness or pure hubris, it screwed us.

[Pancho 46040]

[Red Five 41590]

4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Shortly into Trump’s term, I attended a talk by James Baker. He was asked for his thoughts on the Trump Admin and his response stuck with me: “He just needs more discipline.”

Normalcy bias and giving Trump the benefit of the doubt conspired to fuck the world over. These professional clowns repeatedly reacted to an empty, narcissistic parasite as if he were a normal human being that they, as seasoned politicians and manipulators of powerful people, could control. Whether naïveté or willful blindness or pure hubris, it screwed us.

This was November 10th, 2020:

“What is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? No one seriously thinks the results will change,” the official said. “He went golfing this weekend. It’s not like he’s plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power on Jan. 20. He’s tweeting about filing some lawsuits, those lawsuits will fail, then he’ll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he’ll leave.”

[The Dog 44770]

 

[TwiceHorn 31982]

15 hours ago, HenryJames said:

They are.

Turkey baster and 18 years 18 years

 

[Pancho 46040]

Had no idea Harris was going on the Howard stern show this week. 

[jimmyjazz 46958]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Had no idea Harris was going on the Howard stern show this week. 

Fake news.  She's too scared to do one on one interviews. 

[TwiceHorn 31982]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

Eh, not sure I agree with your police work there.  The point of inflection is 1992, and since then every successful candidate has been a newcomer or outsider perceived as disruptive 
 

Obama was broadly perceived in the same terms as Trump by the people who have been damaged the most by the consolidation of productivity gains- disruptive to the establishment order. And you can go back further than that.

Think about it this way: these are the presidents elected since WWII:

- sitting president/VP/Senator

- Supreme Allied Commander

- Sitting Senator

- Sitting President/VP/Senate Maj Leader

- Former VP
Vietnam ends

- Outsider Governor

- Radical Governor

- sitting VP CIA Director, VP, congressman, ambassador, son of powerful senator (return to establishment via next man up)

1992

- Southern Governor

- Southern Governor 

- First term senator

- Notorious Celebrity

 

The relevant historical Trend here is that the white working class has been in political and cultural rebellion since the end of Vietnam and starting with Bill Clinton through Obama to Trump you see the recipe being refined to its essentials.

Eh, Governor is a pretty conventional candidate.  Neither Clinton nor Obama were, in my opinion, particularly "outsider" candidates other than Obama being black, and Clinton faking it pretty well.

[Js1 86915]

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Had no idea Harris was going on the Howard stern show this week. 

Well the campaign didn’t announce it until like 11 hours ago

[wood 11747]

 

[TexEx15 17910]

What a piece of shit he and his followers are.

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Eh, Governor is a pretty conventional candidate.  Neither Clinton nor Obama were, in my opinion, particularly "outsider" candidates other than Obama being black, and Clinton faking it pretty well.

Your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad. Clinton was a marginal candidate and mostly unknown outside of the state of Arkansas except by politics junkies in the spring of 1992. His candidacy was only possible because when Bush looked unbeatable going into the early fall of 1991, all the top contenders on the Democratic side declined to run including the top two “next generation” candidates.  Clinton ran as an insurgent outsider change candidate appealing to working class people on the losing end of the Reagan revolution. 
And I can’t even imagine how to argue that Obama was anything other than THE change candidate and a deep outsider in the early spring of 2008. I mean, that’s a wild take. His blackness was symbolically important, obviously but his candidacy represented rejection of both the Bush doctrine of foreign policy AND the Clintonomic economic doctrine of globalization and financial neoliberalism. 

[jimmyjazz 46958]

In those days I was not very politically aware.  I had a couple of close friends and coworkers who asked me if I wanted to go see Obama speak in Austin during his intial campaign runup.  I had no idea who the guy was (and didn't go).  He was the very definition of an "outsider".

[immamac 44197]

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad. Clinton was a marginal candidate and mostly unknown outside of the state of Arkansas except by politics junkies in the spring of 1992. His candidacy was only possible because when Bush looked unbeatable going into the early fall of 1991, all the top contenders on the Democratic side declined to run including the top two “next generation” candidates.  Clinton ran as an insurgent outsider change candidate appealing to working class people on the losing end of the Reagan revolution. 
And I can’t even imagine how to argue that Obama was anything other than THE change candidate and a deep outsider in the early spring of 2008. I mean, that’s a wild take. His blackness was symbolically important, obviously but his candidacy represented rejection of both the Bush doctrine of foreign policy AND the Clintonomic economic doctrine of globalization and financial neoliberalism. 

Harris will be the president of collapse or the president of breaking the fourth turning. 

A reset has to happen, when was the last graceful reset? 

[SizzleChest 8301]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

Harris will be the president of collapse or the president of breaking the fourth turning. 

A reset has to happen, when was the last graceful reset? 

No such thing.

[Bojack 2087]

7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Your opinion is wrong and you should feel bad. Clinton was a marginal candidate and mostly unknown outside of the state of Arkansas except by politics junkies in the spring of 1992. His candidacy was only possible because when Bush looked unbeatable going into the early fall of 1991, all the top contenders on the Democratic side declined to run including the top two “next generation” candidates. 

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/campaign-92-the-race-to-avoid-being-the-guy-who-loses-to-bush/2859836

As evidence, this Saturday Night Live skit. "The fact is I couldn't beat David Duke in Harlem."

[HenryJames 67113]

48 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Had no idea Harris was going on the Howard stern show this week. 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13706]

29 minutes ago, wood said:

 

Why isn’t Tillis calling out individuals who are lying about the situation and creating chaos? Hmmm.

The only brave republicans are the ones who are retiring. There have been exceptions but they realize that it’s the end of their gop career.

[Francisco 2.0 32542]

 

 

 

[David Dennison 19439]

4 hours ago, YChang said:

I totally understand that college isn’t for everyone, but there still needs to be some amount of history/literature type courses to foster critical thinking for people who go through the trade school route. 

Agree 100%, but the last thing our corporate overlords want is a highly literate proletariat.