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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.


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Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

And they were basing that on?  The polling subsamples?  Or did they have some orthogonal data?

And why is it nobody ever mentions Trump not doing well with women, suburban voters, etc. 

It is such one-sided bullshit and people are tired of it. 

To wit - since September 30, there have been roughly 60 state and national polls that have been published:

33 non-partisan polls
26 GOP-aligned polls
1 Dem-aligned poll

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

And why is it nobody ever mentions Trump not doing well with women, suburban voters, etc. 

It is such one-sided bullshit and people are tired of it. 

To wit - since September 30, there have been roughly 60 state and national polls that have been published:

33 non-partisan polls
26 GOP-aligned polls
1 Dem-aligned poll

Nate Silver: "Well the Dems are losing because they could be publishing their own bullshit polls!" 

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1 hour ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

My dad wasn't paying attention to pat buchanans or any of that shit. He was putting himself through night school while working long days as a carpenter raising 3 kids and paying off his house. My dad didn't listen to politics radio, he was listening to the Eagles. He wasn't watching Fox News, he was playing baseball with his sons. Believe it or not, there's a percentage of the population who doesn't follow politics AT ALL because they do other shit. My dad grew up when the perception of democrats in the south were the same people enforcing Jim Crow. Then he went to Vietnam. And then he came back and basically never updated his political views again until Biden ran for office. I don't know how in the world that sounds unbelievable. It is precisely that my dad retired just as Biden was running in 2020 that he finally had time to sit down and pay attention. And he's adjusted his views accordingly. He said he was holding his nose in 2020, but now in 2024, he's full on flag-waving on board, putting his money where his mouth is. The republicans have Donald Trump to blame.

your dad sounds like a great guy and that speaks well of him.  But he totally failed some of the most basic citizenship duties. It is everyone’s absolute obligation to keep up with politics and make an informed vote. I understand this is America and more people pay attention to the Masked Singer then how cloture works, but that is how Democracy came close to failing.  

if enough good guys like your father ignored politics while he was living his life, then you wind up with our current situation.  No matter, he is on board now and saving the country in this election.   You are very fortunate. He’s also a smart and perceptive guy. Lots of people who don’t follow politics do the simplest thing and believe stupid shit that Trump says instead of checking out the underlying facts. I wish I could buy him a beer.

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4 hours ago, South Austin said:

When there were no coffee filters to wipe our ass, we used sand.

You used sand???

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Still better than the Roman poop sponge

The Romans cleaned their behinds with sea sponges attached to a stick, and the gutter supplied clean flowing water to dip the sponges in. This soft, gentle tool was called a tersorium, which literally meant “a wiping thing.”

A replica tersorium, or sponge attached to a stick A replica tersorium, or sponge attached to a stick D. Herdemerten via Wikimedia Commons under CC BY 3.0

The Romans liked to move their bowels in comfort. Whether they washed their hands after that is another story. Maybe they dipped their fingers into an amphora by the door. Maybe they didn’t. Maybe they did in some parts of the empire but not in others. Worse, the tersoria were probably reused and shared by all fellow butt-wipers who came and went throughout the day.

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So, if one of the forica visitors had intestinal worms, all the others would carry them home, too. Without any knowledge of how diseases spread, the overall Roman toilet setup could hardly be called hygienic by modern standards.

 

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6 minutes ago, locodos said:

Still better than the Roman poop sponge

The Romans cleaned their behinds with sea sponges attached to a stick, and the gutter supplied clean flowing water to dip the sponges in. This soft, gentle tool was called a tersorium, which literally meant “a wiping thing.”

A replica tersorium, or sponge attached to a stick A replica tersorium, or sponge attached to a stick D. Herdemerten via Wikimedia Commons under CC BY 3.0

The Romans liked to move their bowels in comfort. Whether they washed their hands after that is another story. Maybe they dipped their fingers into an amphora by the door. Maybe they didn’t. Maybe they did in some parts of the empire but not in others. Worse, the tersoria were probably reused and shared by all fellow butt-wipers who came and went throughout the day.

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So, if one of the forica visitors had intestinal worms, all the others would carry them home, too. Without any knowledge of how diseases spread, the overall Roman toilet setup could hardly be called hygienic by modern standards.

 

Found my new insult.  Thanks!

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7 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

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wait, did I miss something? how is there tax on loan interest?

tax on tips that no one reports?

tax on OT that he hates to give?

Cap on CC interest rates = raising credit requirements leading to most working and middle class people NOT being able to qualify for a credit card - plus this seems like some sort of misguided socialistic policy

tax cuts for the wealthy.

 

yeah that's a GREAT plan for the working and middle class! tell me again about how the Republicans are better at messaging this for the working and middle classes, cause I don't see it!

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"wait, did I miss something? how is there tax on loan interest?"

 

I guess he is saying he would make car loan interest deductible. but that is already largely available for anyone with a brain.

 

but yeah, please explain how he is going to pay for any of that! oh yeah, we are back to trickle down economics. the thing we all know that doesn't work.

2 minutes ago, royiv said:

I thought he handpicked his Secret Service detail?

THAT'S the problem.

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11 minutes ago, locodos said:

Worse, the tersoria were probably reused and shared by all fellow butt-wipers who came and went throughout the day.

Probably?   Not to brag, but I’ve seen Spartacus and I, Claudius - and I don’t recall any of the Romans walking around with their personal shit sponge sticks in holsters

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35 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Pancho just posted something that says otherwise.

 

OK. 

 

29 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

And they were basing that on?  The polling subsamples?  Or did they have some orthogonal data?

 

Fuck if I know, you assholes are the political junkies. But I'm pretty sure NPR isn't just making shit up. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, royiv said:

I’m still pissed about him taking the SALT deduction away. 

I mean, I love salt. Very good on lots and lots of food, if I have to be honest.  Not so much milk and other dairy foods, though.  But I just don't, you see, when Biden was president he didn't care about this, not really.  And now our country is really suffering, horribly.  And you look at our airline industry, very bad shape.  You used to get a free meal, and now they just throw peanuts at you.  Really sad if you think about it.  And I once saw a plane take off, and then five seconds later, have to land, because of, I don't know, some kind of an issue, maybe with the pilots, or the landing gear, something like that.  We need to fix this, really.  And you don't hear Kamala talk about this at all.  

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

I don't think it's going to be close, either, but it might be.

I know I sound like a broken record, but I really don't feel like dealing with another popular vote win/EC loss. Mainly because I don't trust the Democratic Party to push for reform.

I mean, the 2012 polls were worse than the 2016 ones by far.  Like 3 points to the right nationally and 2-5 points to the right in the states.

Nobody talks about 2012 being a huge polling error showing Romney doing way better than he ended up doing.  

A lot of people, except Nate Silver/538, thought Obama was toast.  2012 put him on the map. 

Also I still don't understand what you think the Democratic Party can do to reform the EC - you aren't getting enough votes to overturn the 12th amendment, so it's here until the first time the GOP wins the PV and loses the EC and then suddenly you may have consensus to do away with that.  And with the way CA/IL/NY votes, the GOP isn't going to win the PV anytime soon. 

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Also re: eschewing traditional media interviews -

Walz was on GMA this morning and god damn, Michael Strahan is seriously regarded for asking Walz why VP Harris hasn't implemented any of her campaign's policies the last 3 years.

Um, because she's not the fucking President?  Just straight up repeating GOP talking points. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Also I still don't understand what you think the Democratic Party can do to reform the EC - you aren't getting enough votes to overturn the 12th amendment, so it's here until the first time the GOP wins the PV and loses the EC and then suddenly you may have consensus to do away with that.  And with the way CA/IL/NY votes, the GOP isn't going to win the PV anytime soon. 

Why don't the Democrats get enough GOP votes to end the GOP winning the Presidency?!

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