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Rumors the Trump campaign is going to do a late October town hall with Haley

Aka, oh holy fuck I am bleeding suburban female support and moderate Republicans more than I thought 

Nothing like a late October attempt to win back voters of key demographics at the last minute. Definitely doesn’t stink of desperation and shit filled diapers 

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Harris continues to hold the momentum with 18 days to go.  There’s very little chance any economic news will come out that will reverse the momentum.  The odds of a Trump health issue are far greater than the odds of a Harris health issue.  The only things I can think of that will fuck this up are major geopolitical violence (Russia or Iran firing off a nuke, a terrorist attack in the US, anything that requires a large number of US boots on the ground) or some kind of crime/scandal (Harris infidelity, a sex tape, insider trading, etc.).  It’s fucked up that the things we already know Trump has done (grifting, lying, defrauding, raping, cheating on his spouse) that didn’t impact his candidacy at all would totally sink Harris.  But barring something catastrophic, to me there’s higher odds of a Harris landslide than a Trump victory of any kind.

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UT poll:

Trump 51, Harris 46

First time in a long time they show Cruz above 50 and Allred behind Harris, 51-44

I’d almost buy those results being flipped by accident but there they are 

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Look everyone, the NYT decides today is the day to bring up Trump's mental fitness:

 

Trump’s Meandering Speeches Motivate His Critics and Worry His Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/us/politics/trump-rally-speeches.html

 

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In the final weeks of the 2020 election, President Donald J. Trump’s campaign surveyed likely voters in swing states about what political messages stuck with them.

Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s message, these voters said, centered on how Mr. Trump mishandled the coronavirus pandemic and was unfit for office. But for Mr. Trump, those surveyed echoed more than a dozen different messages, including his false claims about the virus, his third Supreme Court nomination and complaints that he deserved a Nobel Peace Prize. Just 3 percent of the voters recalled something specific Mr. Trump had said about Mr. Biden.

 

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Now, some Trump advisers and allies say privately they are concerned that the dynamic may be repeating itself four years later. They worry that Mr. Trump’s impetuousness and scattershot style on the campaign trail needlessly risk victory in battleground states where the margin for error is increasingly narrow.

At a time when his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, has stepped up her attacks on him as “unstable,” Mr. Trump has struggled to publicly hone his message by veering off script and ramping up personal attacks on Ms. Harris that allies have urged him to rein in.

 

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“When he’s good, he’s great, and when he’s off message, he’s not so great,” said David Urban, a Trump adviser. “I don’t think anyone is really changing their mind at this point, but when he distracts from his biggest, broadest messaging, it’s counterproductive because the Harris campaign uses it to turn out their voters.”

During a speech on Saturday in California, he described mail-in ballots as “so corrupt,” reviving one of his false attacks on the 2020 election results, and did a play-by-play of his internal thoughts when he watched SpaceX, Elon Musk’s spaceflight company, fly a rocket back onto its launch site.

 

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On Sunday, in response to a question on Fox News about the possibility of foreign adversaries’ meddling in the election, he reverted to autocratic language by saying “the bigger problem is the enemy from within.” On Monday, he halted a town-hall event in suburban Philadelphia after five questions when two people in the crowd needed medical attention. He spent roughly the next half-hour playing D.J., swaying and grooving in front of his crowd to a playlist he curated from the stage. “Let’s just listen to music,” he said.

Last week, he canceled a CBS interview on “60 Minutes,” in which he and Ms. Harris were both scheduled to appear — and has not stopped talking about it. He complained about it during events in Detroit and Reno, Nev., and again on Monday in a social media post at 1:12 a.m.

At the Economic Club of Chicago on Tuesday, he answered a question about whether he would break up Google by complaining about a Justice Department lawsuit against Virginia election officials. When he was reminded the question was about Google, he said he “called the head of Google the other day” to grouse about the difficulty of finding positive news stories about his campaign on the company’s search page.

During the same event, Mr. Trump suggested his digressions were part of a communication strategy when his interviewer tried to focus on a question.

“You’ve got to be able to finish a thought because it’s very important,” Mr. Trump told the interviewer, John Micklethwait, the editor in chief of Bloomberg News. “This is big stuff we’re talking about. You can’t go that quickly.”

Mr. Micklethwait pointed out that Mr. Trump had started talking about reserve currency and then moved to a story about President Emmanuel Macron of France, among other digressions. “It’s called ‘the weave,’” Mr. Trump said, using a phrase he often uses to describe his speaking style, as he waved his hand in front of him to suggest he was connecting various dots.

Ms. Harris and her campaign have gone on the offensive by using Mr. Trump’s rambling against him, attacking him in ads, in speeches on the campaign trail and in interviews.

Internal Harris campaign research showed that one of the most effective ways to persuade voters to support the vice president was by portraying Mr. Trump as unstable and Ms. Harris as a steady leader who would strengthen America’s security, according to two Harris officials who insisted on anonymity to describe private data.

In the past two weeks, the Harris campaign has flooded the airwaves in battleground states with a pair of television ads to underscore these themes. One spot features warnings from Mr. Trump’s former top defense officials to paint him as “too big of a risk.” Another features endorsements for Ms. Harris from a bipartisan group of national security officials.

“Even former Trump administration officials agree there’s only one candidate fit to lead our nation — and that’s Kamala Harris,” the narrator says.

The Harris campaign criticized Mr. Trump’s appearance at the Economic Club of Chicago, saying he displayed “unstable behavior” and was “angry and unfocused as he rambled on and on.”

“No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump,” Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, said on Monday at a campaign event in Wisconsin.

Ms. Harris said the former president was “quite unstable and unfit” during an interview on Monday with The Shade Room, a digital entertainment publication. In a second interview that day with the independent Black journalist Roland Martin, Ms. Harris pointed to Mr. Trump’s false claims that Haitian migrants were eating their neighbors’ pets.

“This man is dangerous,” she said.

Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, which is supporting the Trump campaign, said Mr. Trump’s “message is clear and consistent: President Trump’s agenda for America’s working men and women will fix our broken economy to lower costs and secure the border to make our communities safe.” 

In Prescott Valley, Ariz., on Sunday, Mr. Trump’s scripted remarks hewed tightly to the anti-immigration message that has become central to his campaign. He stayed on track for the first half-hour of the event before taking a more scenic route to the finish.

After about 25 minutes, he told the crowd he wanted to tell “one quick story” about a friend with a car plant in Mexico.

But he never finished his tale. Instead, he lost the thread one minute later as he complained that if he mispronounced one word he would be accused of being “cognitively impaired.” Then, he botched the phrase by saying President Biden was the one who was “cognitively repaired” and referred to the election as three and a half months away, not three and a half weeks.

About 20 minutes later, Mr. Trump seemed ready to wrap up his speech. He promised the crowd would see him again soon and said he was thinking about residents on the East Coast suffering after the recent storms.

“So in closing,” Mr. Trump continued, “I just want to say Kamala Harris is a radical left Marxist rated even worse than Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas.”

He proceeded to speak for 17 more minutes.

 

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Harris’s Harsh Takedown of Fox’s Bret Baier Exposes MAGA’s Biggest Lie For 10 years, Fox has built a fictional informational cocoon around Donald Trump. Kamala Harris just burst it open.

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Harris deserves credit for calling out Baier’s MAGA cleanup efforts. But all this raises a bigger question: How much public support would Trump have right now if Fox and other right-wing outlets had not been pumping out sanitizing propaganda about him and his presidency for the last 10 years?

 

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6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Look everyone, the NYT decides today is the day to bring up Trump's mental fitness:

 

Trump’s Meandering Speeches Motivate His Critics and Worry His Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/us/politics/trump-rally-speeches.html

 

 

 

 

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On Sunday, in response to a question on Fox News about the possibility of foreign adversaries’ meddling in the election, he reverted to autocratic language by saying “the bigger problem is the enemy from within.” On Monday, he halted a town-hall event in suburban Philadelphia after five questions when two people in the crowd needed medical attention. He spent roughly the next half-hour playing D.J., swaying and grooving in front of his crowd to a playlist he curated from the stage. “Let’s just listen to music,” he said.

Last week, he canceled a CBS interview on “60 Minutes,” in which he and Ms. Harris were both scheduled to appear — and has not stopped talking about it. He complained about it during events in Detroit and Reno, Nev., and again on Monday in a social media post at 1:12 a.m.

At the Economic Club of Chicago on Tuesday, he answered a question about whether he would break up Google by complaining about a Justice Department lawsuit against Virginia election officials. When he was reminded the question was about Google, he said he “called the head of Google the other day” to grouse about the difficulty of finding positive news stories about his campaign on the company’s search page.

During the same event, Mr. Trump suggested his digressions were part of a communication strategy when his interviewer tried to focus on a question.

“You’ve got to be able to finish a thought because it’s very important,” Mr. Trump told the interviewer, John Micklethwait, the editor in chief of Bloomberg News. “This is big stuff we’re talking about. You can’t go that quickly.”

Mr. Micklethwait pointed out that Mr. Trump had started talking about reserve currency and then moved to a story about President Emmanuel Macron of France, among other digressions. “It’s called ‘the weave,’” Mr. Trump said, using a phrase he often uses to describe his speaking style, as he waved his hand in front of him to suggest he was connecting various dots.

Ms. Harris and her campaign have gone on the offensive by using Mr. Trump’s rambling against him, attacking him in ads, in speeches on the campaign trail and in interviews.

Internal Harris campaign research showed that one of the most effective ways to persuade voters to support the vice president was by portraying Mr. Trump as unstable and Ms. Harris as a steady leader who would strengthen America’s security, according to two Harris officials who insisted on anonymity to describe private data.

In the past two weeks, the Harris campaign has flooded the airwaves in battleground states with a pair of television ads to underscore these themes. One spot features warnings from Mr. Trump’s former top defense officials to paint him as “too big of a risk.” Another features endorsements for Ms. Harris from a bipartisan group of national security officials.

“Even former Trump administration officials agree there’s only one candidate fit to lead our nation — and that’s Kamala Harris,” the narrator says.

The Harris campaign criticized Mr. Trump’s appearance at the Economic Club of Chicago, saying he displayed “unstable behavior” and was “angry and unfocused as he rambled on and on.”

“No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump,” Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, said on Monday at a campaign event in Wisconsin.

Ms. Harris said the former president was “quite unstable and unfit” during an interview on Monday with The Shade Room, a digital entertainment publication. In a second interview that day with the independent Black journalist Roland Martin, Ms. Harris pointed to Mr. Trump’s false claims that Haitian migrants were eating their neighbors’ pets.

“This man is dangerous,” she said.

Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, which is supporting the Trump campaign, said Mr. Trump’s “message is clear and consistent: President Trump’s agenda for America’s working men and women will fix our broken economy to lower costs and secure the border to make our communities safe.” 

In Prescott Valley, Ariz., on Sunday, Mr. Trump’s scripted remarks hewed tightly to the anti-immigration message that has become central to his campaign. He stayed on track for the first half-hour of the event before taking a more scenic route to the finish.

After about 25 minutes, he told the crowd he wanted to tell “one quick story” about a friend with a car plant in Mexico.

But he never finished his tale. Instead, he lost the thread one minute later as he complained that if he mispronounced one word he would be accused of being “cognitively impaired.” Then, he botched the phrase by saying President Biden was the one who was “cognitively repaired” and referred to the election as three and a half months away, not three and a half weeks.

About 20 minutes later, Mr. Trump seemed ready to wrap up his speech. He promised the crowd would see him again soon and said he was thinking about residents on the East Coast suffering after the recent storms.

“So in closing,” Mr. Trump continued, “I just want to say Kamala Harris is a radical left Marxist rated even worse than Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas.”

He proceeded to speak for 17 more minutes.

 

Awesome, that story will sway about 20 votes!

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1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

 

i caught some of the michael berry show on the way home, he wouldn’t shit up about polymarket.

these people only job is picking the winner and then making money and they hAve trump up BIG !!! blah blah blah It’s going to be a huge trump win !!!

😂😂😂

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2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Over night return update from Georgia take aways:

1.  897k votes returned

2.  Women have now cast 90k more votes than men

3.  123k non voters from 2020

4.  Fortress Atlanta - Dekalb Count - 10.2% of 2020

     Fulton County - 11.7% of 2020

Can we get some analysis from our Senior Georgia Correspondent?

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56 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Rumors the Trump campaign is going to do a late October town hall with Haley

Aka, oh holy fuck I am bleeding suburban female support and moderate Republicans more than I thought 

Nothing like a late October attempt to win back voters of key demographics at the last minute. Definitely doesn’t stink of desperation and shit filled diapers 

If you are reading the tea leaves, the Trump campaign is telling us all we need to know by how they are moving. They have softened their stance on women's issues and he has even done an all women town hall. He has skipped a lot of interviews but didn't skip Univision and the barbershop bit tells me they feel they need to bolster the Latino vote. He knows to leave us the fuck alone. That said his rhetoric amongst women and latinos is downright suicidal, almost impossible to clean up even for a seasoned pro. Trump, however, seems to make it worse the second someone hands him a microphone. His town hall with women was awful from the moment go with what he said about the woman who died. Then watching him try to address mass deportation in fron of the latinos was downright comical.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

If you are reading the tea leaves, the Trump campaign is telling us all we need to know by how they are moving

Yep. They’re desperate. And him back on truth social screaming that Harris needs to drop out and he should be running against Biden again tells me he’s losing.  Why would you want her to drop out if you’re beating her?

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yep. They’re desperate. And him back on truth social screaming that Harris needs to drop out and he should be running against Biden again tells me he’s losing.  Why would you want her to drop out if you’re beating her?

Yes. Everything their doing and saying says they are getting their ass kicked except for the polls. The speed of which the votes are returning. The increase of women registrations. Literally everything.

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Never watched her show- does she appropriate soul food in her southern cuisine?

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna52259733

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Paula Deen used the N-word, wanted ‘slaves’ to serve a wedding dinner

By Clare Kim4-5 minutes 6/19/2013


A true 'southern plantation-style wedding' would include waiters dressed as slaves, Deen says in a deposition. A former employee is suing the TV chef and her brother, alleging workplace discrimination. b.gif?host=tv.msnbc.com&blog=39830493&po

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Celebrity chef Paula Deen in 2012. (Photo by Carlo Allegri/AP)

Celebrity chef Paula Deen has a mess she needs to clean up. A deposition was obtained Wednesday in which she admits to using a racial slur. The National Enquirer first reported Deen’s deposition, in which she responds to recent allegations of racism in the workplace–and admits to using the N-word and expressing a wish for a wedding served by waiters dressed as slaves.

The legal deposition was held on May 17 after one of Deen’s former restaurant managers, Lisa Jackson, sued the TV chef and her brother Earl “Bubba” Hiers for sexual and racial workplace discrimination in a $1.2 million lawsuit. During the three-hour-long questioning, Jackson’s lawyer asked Deen if she had ever used the N-word.

Deen responded, “Yes, of course,” and detailed the instances in which she had used the racial slur. Below are Deen’s responses, as recorded in the deposition.

 

A transcript of the deposition describes an instance when Jackson witnessed Deen’s racial views. Jackson was placed in charge of food and serving arrangements for Bubba Hiers’ wedding in February 2007, and asked Deen what kind of wedding reception it would be. “I want a true southern plantation-style wedding,” Deen replied.

Jackson subsequently asked Deen what type of uniforms she preferred the servers to wear.

“Well what I would really like is a bunch of little n—–s to wear long-sleeve white shirts, black shorts and black bow ties, you know in the Shirley Temple days, they used to tap dance around.” Paula Deen laughed and said “Now that would be a true southern wedding, wouldn’t it? But we can’t do that because the media would be on me about that.”

Deen responded to Jackson’s allegations.

“I remember telling them about a restaurant that my husband and I had recently visited. And I’m wanting to think it was in Tennessee or North Carolina or somewhere, and it was so impressive. The whole entire wait staff was middle-aged black men, and they had on beautiful white jackets with a black bow tie. I mean, it was really impressive. And I remember saying I would love to have servers like that, I said, but I would be afraid somebody would misinterpret.”

“That restaurant represented a certain era in America,” Deen said. The servers in that era “were slaves,” she conceded. “But I did not mean anything derogatory by saying that I loved their look.” She denied having used the N-word to describe the restaurant’s wait-staff “because that’s not what these men were. They were professional black men doing a fabulous job.”

The celebrity chef also said she didn’t know what kinds of jokes minority groups might find offensive.

 

Deen’s lawyer released a brief statement Wednesday, defending his client and refuting the tabloid’s claims. ”Contrary to media reports, Ms. Deen does not condone or find the use of racial epithets acceptable,” Bill Franklin of the Savannah law firm Oliver Maner wrote. “She is looking forward to her day in court.”

A spokeswoman for the Food Network also issued a statement. ”Food Network does not tolerate any form of discrimination and is a strong proponent of diversity and inclusion. We will continue to monitor the situation,” the statement read.

(This is not the first time the Food Network star has been the center of controversy. Deen has been criticized for promoting unhealthy food on her show, and it was disclosed last year that she suffers from Type 2 diabetes.)

After the news broke of Deen’s legal troubles, Twitter users lambasted the chef with the trending topic #PaulasBestDishes.

 

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Yes. Everything their doing and saying says they are getting their ass kicked except for the polls. The speed of which the votes are returning. The increase of women registrations. Literally everything.

They're like Aggy who won't stop talking about recruiting even though they keep losing actual games.  

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Rumors the Trump campaign is going to do a late October town hall with Haley

 

Nikki Haley?  the only people who are watching that are pols who have their minds made up.  he'd be better off doing a pod with Hailey "Hawk Tuah" Welch, honestly.  tap into an audience where he can try to sway some voters.

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45 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Look everyone, the NYT decides today is the day to bring up Trump's mental fitness:

 

Trump’s Meandering Speeches Motivate His Critics and Worry His Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/us/politics/trump-rally-speeches.html

 

 

 

 

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On Sunday, in response to a question on Fox News about the possibility of foreign adversaries’ meddling in the election, he reverted to autocratic language by saying “the bigger problem is the enemy from within.” On Monday, he halted a town-hall event in suburban Philadelphia after five questions when two people in the crowd needed medical attention. He spent roughly the next half-hour playing D.J., swaying and grooving in front of his crowd to a playlist he curated from the stage. “Let’s just listen to music,” he said.

Last week, he canceled a CBS interview on “60 Minutes,” in which he and Ms. Harris were both scheduled to appear — and has not stopped talking about it. He complained about it during events in Detroit and Reno, Nev., and again on Monday in a social media post at 1:12 a.m.

At the Economic Club of Chicago on Tuesday, he answered a question about whether he would break up Google by complaining about a Justice Department lawsuit against Virginia election officials. When he was reminded the question was about Google, he said he “called the head of Google the other day” to grouse about the difficulty of finding positive news stories about his campaign on the company’s search page.

During the same event, Mr. Trump suggested his digressions were part of a communication strategy when his interviewer tried to focus on a question.

“You’ve got to be able to finish a thought because it’s very important,” Mr. Trump told the interviewer, John Micklethwait, the editor in chief of Bloomberg News. “This is big stuff we’re talking about. You can’t go that quickly.”

Mr. Micklethwait pointed out that Mr. Trump had started talking about reserve currency and then moved to a story about President Emmanuel Macron of France, among other digressions. “It’s called ‘the weave,’” Mr. Trump said, using a phrase he often uses to describe his speaking style, as he waved his hand in front of him to suggest he was connecting various dots.

Ms. Harris and her campaign have gone on the offensive by using Mr. Trump’s rambling against him, attacking him in ads, in speeches on the campaign trail and in interviews.

Internal Harris campaign research showed that one of the most effective ways to persuade voters to support the vice president was by portraying Mr. Trump as unstable and Ms. Harris as a steady leader who would strengthen America’s security, according to two Harris officials who insisted on anonymity to describe private data.

In the past two weeks, the Harris campaign has flooded the airwaves in battleground states with a pair of television ads to underscore these themes. One spot features warnings from Mr. Trump’s former top defense officials to paint him as “too big of a risk.” Another features endorsements for Ms. Harris from a bipartisan group of national security officials.

“Even former Trump administration officials agree there’s only one candidate fit to lead our nation — and that’s Kamala Harris,” the narrator says.

The Harris campaign criticized Mr. Trump’s appearance at the Economic Club of Chicago, saying he displayed “unstable behavior” and was “angry and unfocused as he rambled on and on.”

“No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump,” Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, said on Monday at a campaign event in Wisconsin.

Ms. Harris said the former president was “quite unstable and unfit” during an interview on Monday with The Shade Room, a digital entertainment publication. In a second interview that day with the independent Black journalist Roland Martin, Ms. Harris pointed to Mr. Trump’s false claims that Haitian migrants were eating their neighbors’ pets.

“This man is dangerous,” she said.

Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, which is supporting the Trump campaign, said Mr. Trump’s “message is clear and consistent: President Trump’s agenda for America’s working men and women will fix our broken economy to lower costs and secure the border to make our communities safe.” 

In Prescott Valley, Ariz., on Sunday, Mr. Trump’s scripted remarks hewed tightly to the anti-immigration message that has become central to his campaign. He stayed on track for the first half-hour of the event before taking a more scenic route to the finish.

After about 25 minutes, he told the crowd he wanted to tell “one quick story” about a friend with a car plant in Mexico.

But he never finished his tale. Instead, he lost the thread one minute later as he complained that if he mispronounced one word he would be accused of being “cognitively impaired.” Then, he botched the phrase by saying President Biden was the one who was “cognitively repaired” and referred to the election as three and a half months away, not three and a half weeks.

About 20 minutes later, Mr. Trump seemed ready to wrap up his speech. He promised the crowd would see him again soon and said he was thinking about residents on the East Coast suffering after the recent storms.

“So in closing,” Mr. Trump continued, “I just want to say Kamala Harris is a radical left Marxist rated even worse than Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas.”

He proceeded to speak for 17 more minutes.

 

Still pisses me the fuck off that with Biden it was the media itself raising the concerns, but with trump they always say its others raising the concern.

I posted one earlier (paraphrase): "Harris Questions Trump's Mental Acuity After Dance Rally"

This one: "Trump's Bizarre Speeches Concern Allies"

With Biden it was: "Biden Debate Raises Questions of Competency"

The first two suggest that the questions are subjective in the minds of those referenced (Harris; Trump Allies). With Biden it's treated as objective concerns (no reference that the question is raised by a third party). Maddening.

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23 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yep. They’re desperate. And him back on truth social screaming that Harris needs to drop out and he should be running against Biden again tells me he’s losing.  Why would you want her to drop out if you’re beating her?

She needs to immediately put out an ad showing Trump’s post demanding she drop out so he can run against Biden…with her then looking straight at the camera  and saying, “You worried Donald? I want YOU to stay in until election day”

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48 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Over night return update from Georgia take aways:

1.  897k votes returned

2.  Women have now cast 90k more votes than men

3.  123k non voters from 2020

4.  Fortress Atlanta - Dekalb Count - 10.2% of 2020

     Fulton County - 11.7% of 2020

On #4, is that that those countires have returned 10.2% and 11.7% of their vote returned versus 2020 at THIS TIME, or just their total vote return is in versus 2020 and we still have about 90% left for both of them?

31 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Imagine thinking half our budget is fucking funds for public education. What is it, like 2%?

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26 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

What if liberal cities [in CA] decide they don't want this history; they want their own history. America was built on the backs of slaves on stolen land...

Ummm, isn't that...uh...yea...I'm pretty sure that that is what happened. I mean, right? Or are we going with slavery as an industrial arts regimen designed to prepare captive individuals for future success? And we setup these great schools for the native population, I guess. Okay. I get it.

American Hagiography 101

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22 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Nikki Haley?  the only people who are watching that are pols who have their minds made up.  he'd be better off doing a pod with Hailey "Hawk Tuah" Welch, honestly.  tap into an audience where he can try to sway some voters.

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she’ll be the first republican calling for trump to ‘take the loss pussy’ after election day

that’ll state the 2028 race. she probably already has deals in place 

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Rumors the Trump campaign is going to do a late October town hall with Haley

Aka, oh holy fuck I am bleeding suburban female support and moderate Republicans more than I thought 

Nothing like a late October attempt to win back voters of key demographics at the last minute. Definitely doesn’t stink of desperation and shit filled diapers 

Hah, what a waste. A Trump-supporting Haley isn't winning any women voters back. She appeals more to business conservative men who are still leaning Trump but don't love his behavior so MIGHT stay home or leave that race blank.  I don't think that's a large enough bloc to sway things in any swing state.

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2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

What if liberal cities [in CA] decide they don't want this history; they want their own history. America was built on the backs of slaves on stolen land...

Ummm, isn't that...uh...yea...I'm pretty sure that that is what happened. I mean, right? Or are we going with slavery as an industrial arts regimen designed to prepare captive individuals for future success? And we setup these great schools for the native population, I guess. Okay. I get it.

American Hagiography 101

 

those schools well be highly encouraged to use official trump text books 

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Look everyone, the NYT decides today is the day to bring up Trump's mental fitness:

 

Trump’s Meandering Speeches Motivate His Critics and Worry His Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/us/politics/trump-rally-speeches.html

 

 

 

 

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On Sunday, in response to a question on Fox News about the possibility of foreign adversaries’ meddling in the election, he reverted to autocratic language by saying “the bigger problem is the enemy from within.” On Monday, he halted a town-hall event in suburban Philadelphia after five questions when two people in the crowd needed medical attention. He spent roughly the next half-hour playing D.J., swaying and grooving in front of his crowd to a playlist he curated from the stage. “Let’s just listen to music,” he said.

Last week, he canceled a CBS interview on “60 Minutes,” in which he and Ms. Harris were both scheduled to appear — and has not stopped talking about it. He complained about it during events in Detroit and Reno, Nev., and again on Monday in a social media post at 1:12 a.m.

At the Economic Club of Chicago on Tuesday, he answered a question about whether he would break up Google by complaining about a Justice Department lawsuit against Virginia election officials. When he was reminded the question was about Google, he said he “called the head of Google the other day” to grouse about the difficulty of finding positive news stories about his campaign on the company’s search page.

During the same event, Mr. Trump suggested his digressions were part of a communication strategy when his interviewer tried to focus on a question.

“You’ve got to be able to finish a thought because it’s very important,” Mr. Trump told the interviewer, John Micklethwait, the editor in chief of Bloomberg News. “This is big stuff we’re talking about. You can’t go that quickly.”

Mr. Micklethwait pointed out that Mr. Trump had started talking about reserve currency and then moved to a story about President Emmanuel Macron of France, among other digressions. “It’s called ‘the weave,’” Mr. Trump said, using a phrase he often uses to describe his speaking style, as he waved his hand in front of him to suggest he was connecting various dots.

Ms. Harris and her campaign have gone on the offensive by using Mr. Trump’s rambling against him, attacking him in ads, in speeches on the campaign trail and in interviews.

Internal Harris campaign research showed that one of the most effective ways to persuade voters to support the vice president was by portraying Mr. Trump as unstable and Ms. Harris as a steady leader who would strengthen America’s security, according to two Harris officials who insisted on anonymity to describe private data.

In the past two weeks, the Harris campaign has flooded the airwaves in battleground states with a pair of television ads to underscore these themes. One spot features warnings from Mr. Trump’s former top defense officials to paint him as “too big of a risk.” Another features endorsements for Ms. Harris from a bipartisan group of national security officials.

“Even former Trump administration officials agree there’s only one candidate fit to lead our nation — and that’s Kamala Harris,” the narrator says.

The Harris campaign criticized Mr. Trump’s appearance at the Economic Club of Chicago, saying he displayed “unstable behavior” and was “angry and unfocused as he rambled on and on.”

“No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump,” Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, said on Monday at a campaign event in Wisconsin.

Ms. Harris said the former president was “quite unstable and unfit” during an interview on Monday with The Shade Room, a digital entertainment publication. In a second interview that day with the independent Black journalist Roland Martin, Ms. Harris pointed to Mr. Trump’s false claims that Haitian migrants were eating their neighbors’ pets.

“This man is dangerous,” she said.

Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, which is supporting the Trump campaign, said Mr. Trump’s “message is clear and consistent: President Trump’s agenda for America’s working men and women will fix our broken economy to lower costs and secure the border to make our communities safe.” 

In Prescott Valley, Ariz., on Sunday, Mr. Trump’s scripted remarks hewed tightly to the anti-immigration message that has become central to his campaign. He stayed on track for the first half-hour of the event before taking a more scenic route to the finish.

After about 25 minutes, he told the crowd he wanted to tell “one quick story” about a friend with a car plant in Mexico.

But he never finished his tale. Instead, he lost the thread one minute later as he complained that if he mispronounced one word he would be accused of being “cognitively impaired.” Then, he botched the phrase by saying President Biden was the one who was “cognitively repaired” and referred to the election as three and a half months away, not three and a half weeks.

About 20 minutes later, Mr. Trump seemed ready to wrap up his speech. He promised the crowd would see him again soon and said he was thinking about residents on the East Coast suffering after the recent storms.

“So in closing,” Mr. Trump continued, “I just want to say Kamala Harris is a radical left Marxist rated even worse than Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas.”

He proceeded to speak for 17 more minutes.

 

It's not even really about his mental fitness. It's just more "Trump likes to go off script and it doesn't help him" shit. 

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2 minutes ago, heso said:

I know a handful of people in Allegheny county that haven’t received their mail in ballots yet to add to that firewall. 

I personally will be voting in person on Election Day so I can look the MAGAs in the eye when I tell their orange god to get fucked. 

You should vote early to make sure it counts, and instead just set up shop in a foldy chair and megaphone and just heckle them in line. 

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11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

she’ll be the first republican calling for trump to ‘take the loss pussy’ after election day

that’ll state the 2028 race. she probably already has deals in place 

The money move would be to get one of Trumps kids to bail on him after November and endorse Haley as the new leader.  I can’t imagine any other support making a dent in MAGA.  But getting Ivanka or Don Jr. to publicly say “It’s over, dad” might matter to the Trumpers.  Otherwise it’ll be more of the same until Trump is dead.

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4 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Yes. 2016 saw the largest third party candidate performance since Ross Perot in 1992. In 2016, I was in Texas and I voted Gary Johnson for three reasons. First, no way in fucking hell I was voting for Trump. Second, I had my own issues with Hillary that had everything to do with my own interpretation of her lack of self respect staying with a husband that repeatedly cheated on her. And third, I knew Texas would go Red (even if every third party voter in Texas voted for Hillary, it would not have been enough to swing Texas in 2016), so my vote was always just a protest vote. I really was apathetic to both choices we had, so I went with the third option. 

 

Same for me; although I regret it now.

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