2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Chopper 17230]

How it's going ...edit link https://www.azcentral.com/story/entertainment/media/2024/10/26/donald-trump-joe-rogan-interview/75862377007/

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Rogan reaches millions among a demographic who tends to be one of the least engaged in politics. Anyone thinking there's no undecideds in that group is a fucking moron. 
 
Edit: For clarity, I'm a college professor. Rogan is by far the most popular podcast among my male students. 

I didn’t say they are not undecided. I said if they are they are fucking morons.

[LTbear 4168]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

So also least likely to vote at all then

Yes. But many of them, IF they vote, lean Trump. All they need is a little more push to dampen their enthusiasm/ give-a-shit for the orange god. The more potential Trump voters stay home, the better. 

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

I didn’t say they are not undecided. I said if they are they are fucking morons.

That point wasn't directed at you, but the original poster I was quoting. 

[Chopper 17230]

Just now, LTbear said:

Yes. But many of them, IF they vote, lean Trump. All they need is a little more push to dampen their enthusiasm/ give-a-shit for the orange god. The more potential Trump voters stay home, the better. 

Share with them the threads on reddit where thousands of women are saying they'll never fuck a bitch who votes for Trump. 

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

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But mostly Rogan would just bring up a topic, Trump would start talking and Rogan would let him go, unchallenged

Yeah what did you expect, that’s Joe’s show. 

[Chopper 17230]

27 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I don't pretend to have any degree of confidence in how this election will go, but you've got some nerve coming to Surly and implying people spending their time posting on the internet are detached from reality.

My parents are detached from reality. Mom to a lesser extent but still she's now pretty deranged. 25 years ago I debated whether they were smart enough to recognize that the "fair and balanced" shit they were watching on Bill O'Reilly was total bullshit. I decided poorly. I thought they could recognize the obvious signs that the "no spin zone" was, in fact, all spin. In the years since they went from somewhat open minded to fully deranged. That transition coincided with Fox News's full embrace of Diaper Don during the republican primaries after Fox realized Cruz was a total loser.  

Edited October 26 by Chopper

[Wax Beer Cup 382]

22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

People should listen to me 

I do! You keep me relatively calm when I venture in here.  Thought you were moving today? 

[Js1 85269]

1 minute ago, Wax Beer Cup said:

I do! You keep me relatively calm when I venture in here.  Thought you were moving today? 

Stopped for gas. And an Allsups burrito 

[Ted Lange 16083]

[henrygandorf 29189]

2 hours ago, Bullneck said:

What blows me away is the Nazi rally signalling from whenever they had that Nazi rally at MSG in the 30s (ain't looking it up).

you should.

i went down the rabbit hole a couple years ago (i think i even made a post about it) and watched/read/listened to a ton of stuff about the late 30's - basically what was going on in the u.s. after hitler invaded poland but before we got involved in the war. it's really fascinating.

maddow did a podcast called "ultra" that was great, whether you like her or not. i watched "the plot against america" (which i skipped when it aired), oliver stone's untold history of the united states. it's a really interesting chunk of american history that nobody really pays attention to (or purposely forgets) because 1941-1945 overshadows it all.

the older i get, the more i realize even at a good middle school/public high school/ut, i don't know shit about history outside of the major events and what becomes a tv show or movie. consider that most of maga + the orange man-god himself relies mostly on jr high education (he's still learning about abraham lincoln ffs) and bold type history. you shouldn't need more motivation than that.

over the past 10 years or so, what i used to consume in sports, i now consume in history. then i found the surly cloak room and flushed it all down the toilet. so thanks. assholes.

[Satchel 6925]

13 hours ago, Chopper said:

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/bezos-kills-washington-post-endorsement-guardrails-falling

The first lesson in Professor Timothy Snyder’s On Tyranny, is - Do Not Obey in Advance. He explains:

”Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves up without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.”

[Chopper 17230]

9 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Stopped for gas. And an Allsups burrito 

REDUNDANT!

[Dbeasy 15040]

You people have my head spinning. The level of confidence here on a Harris win is very exciting given the public media stories and polls. 

But, I recall eight years ago and this group was also highly confident. So, do we have that situation again?

I can’t remember the general tone four years ago, but I think there was a genuine lack of clarity one way or the other? Can’t remember. 

[tx 3 putt 76868]

29 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Rogan reaches millions among a demographic who tends to be one of the least engaged in politics. Anyone thinking there's no undecideds in that group is a fucking moron. 

 

Edit: For clarity, I'm a college professor. Rogan is by far the most popular podcast among my male students. 

 

too late in the game

these interviews needed to hit in june, to give listeners time to REGISTER. the listeners that are registered, have already decided or already voted 

this might move the needle of a small undecided group, but likely not rogan listeners 

Edited October 26 by tx 3 putt

[Valmy77 13225]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

You people have my head spinning. The level of confidence here on a Harris win is very exciting given the public media stories and polls. 

But, I recall eight years ago and this group was also highly confident. So, do we have that situation again?

I can’t remember the general tone four years ago, but I think there was a genuine lack of clarity one way or the other? Can’t remember. 

I was not confident at all eight years ago and I certainly was not four years ago because Trump was in office and who the hell knows might happen?

I am optimistic now because of the early voting data in Michigan, Georgia, and Pennsylvania. I feel like we have a good chance. It is what it is though.

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

too late in the game

these interviews needed to hit in june, to give listeners time to REGISTER. the listeners that are registered, have already decided or already voted 

this might move the needle of a small undecided group, but likely not rogan listeners 

Putt, every state isn’t Texas. There are plenty of places where you can still register and then vote in this election. 

[tx 3 putt 76868]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Putt, every state isn’t Texas. There are plenty of places where you can still register and then vote in this election. 

 

very good point ….

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/voter-registration-deadlines#undefined

[Clintonaldo 2572]

How is anyone saying Kamala is blowing this ? Wtf

[henrygandorf 29189]

6 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

You people have my head spinning. The level of confidence here on a Harris win is very exciting given the public media stories and polls. 

But, I recall eight years ago and this group was also highly confident. So, do we have that situation again?

I can’t remember the general tone four years ago, but I think there was a genuine lack of clarity one way or the other? Can’t remember. 

i've seen a lot (too many?) stories lately about "how can we avoid repeating 2016", including a cnn interview with hillary herself.

assuming the election was fought fairly (eyeroll), the entire political landscape was different in 2015-16. obama was just in the wh for 8 years. all the dems were docile and relaxed, and trump was seen as a joke of a candidate, and we were overconfident. i admit i thought, even after he won, that he'd just sit there like a knucklehead, because he didn't understand government (not that far off, but whatever).

now, we've had trump in our lives for 10 years. turnout has been up every cycle since. nobody is docile. nobody is relaxed. people are quietly confident, but nobody is yelling from the rooftops about it. they're staying angry and making sure everybody else is too. dems who sounded the alarms 2-3 weeks out in 2016 are eerily silent right now.

we've got this.

[immamac 42835]

13 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

You people have my head spinning. The level of confidence here on a Harris win is very exciting given the public media stories and polls. 

But, I recall eight years ago and this group was also highly confident. So, do we have that situation again?

I can’t remember the general tone four years ago, but I think there was a genuine lack of clarity one way or the other? Can’t remember. 

I don't remember anyone thinking Hillary had it in the bag. The Hillary Bernie thing was really messy and bad and everyone hated Hillary. 

This is not that.

[speed817 19253]

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[wood 11225]

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

Sorry if I cried a little here

I'm right there with you, amigo. 

[mdmost 42999]

I think people thought Hillary had it in the bag because Trump was such a joke of a candidate. Everyone underestimated how much people hated Hillary combined with her terrible campaigning. Trump's team played the EC exactly how you need to to win the election. Kamala isn't getting caught flat footed and she doesn't have the baggage that Hillary does. But she's still a black female and I think there's a lot of men and women out there who won't vote for her for that reason. I just don't know that they'd vote for Trump either. They may just not vote. 

[SizzleChest 8283]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't remember anyone thinking Hillary had it in the bag. The Hillary Bernie thing was really messy and bad and everyone hated Hillary. 

This is not that.

And Comey.

[Pancho 44692]

People thought Hillary had it….until Comey.

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19187]

49 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Thank you for your service.

You couldn’t pay me enough money to listen to either of those dumbasses for more than five minutes (Meathead) or 5 seconds in the case of the dotard. 

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

You people have my head spinning. The level of confidence here on a Harris win is very exciting given the public media stories and polls. 
But, I recall eight years ago and this group was also highly confident. So, do we have that situation again?
I can’t remember the general tone four years ago, but I think there was a genuine lack of clarity one way or the other? Can’t remember. 

I think you’re confusing confidence and optimism. I’d call this forum optimistic for Kamala’s chances, not confident.

Eight years ago was very different. The national media was basically already crowning Hillary, while downballot Democrats were trying to sound the alarm and the MAGA enthusiasm was obviously through the roof. No idea what this year will bring, but the narrative is currently favoring Trump yet no Democrats are publicly sounding the alarm, Kamala is drawing 30k on a Friday night, and Republicans are claiming that electoral college electors should be awarded prior to counting votes.

Again, I’m not CONFIDENT in her chances, but there are a lot of things that would make a Kamala win look obvious in hindsight.

[David Dennison 18844]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

I think people thought Hillary had it in the bag because Trump was such a joke of a candidate. Everyone underestimated how much people hated Hillary combined with her terrible campaigning. Trump's team played the EC exactly how you need to to win the election. Kamala isn't getting caught flat footed and she doesn't have the baggage that Hillary does. But she's still a black female and I think there's a lot of men and women out there who won't vote for her for that reason. I just don't know that they'd vote for Trump either. They may just not vote. 

From this month's Harper's Index:

Factor by which Americans are more likely to disapprove of a woman's election to the presidency than a person of color's: 3

Source: NORC at the University of Chicago

[Satchel 6925]

19 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I was not confident at all eight years ago and I certainly was not four years ago because Trump was in office and who the hell knows might happen?

I am optimistic now because of the early voting data in Michigan, Georgia, and Pennsylvania. I feel like we have a good chance. It is what it is though.

I was somewhat confident until James Comey’s October surprise.

[LTbear 4168]

22 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

too late in the game

these interviews needed to hit in june, to give listeners time to REGISTER. the listeners that are registered, have already decided or already voted 

this might move the needle of a small undecided group, but likely not rogan listeners 

Further clarity: I'm not arguing for either do it/ don't it as to Rogan. Just responding originally to a dumb assertion that there aren't any undecideds in Rogan's listeners. 

[RomaVicta 29899]

[Fudge Nuggets 19187]

12 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I think people thought Hillary had it in the bag because Trump was such a joke of a candidate. Everyone underestimated how much people hated Hillary combined with her terrible campaigning. Trump's team played the EC exactly how you need to to win the election. Kamala isn't getting caught flat footed and she doesn't have the baggage that Hillary does. But she's still a black female and I think there's a lot of men and women out there who won't vote for her for that reason. I just don't know that they'd vote for Trump either. They may just not vote. 

And Steve Bannon spent this campaign cycle with n federal prison. 

[Bateshorn 9927]

49 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Stopped for gas. And an Allsups burrito 

You going to post a pic of the burrito or just fuck the rules?

Srsly, tho, drive safe. 

[tx 3 putt 76868]

 

 

[Satchel 6925]

51 minutes ago, Satchel said:

The first lesson in Professor Timothy Snyder’s On Tyranny, is - Do Not Obey in Advance. He explains:

”Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves up without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do.”

Sadly, this is what the WAPO and the LA Times have done, owner’s prerogative notwithstanding.

[Chopper 17230]

I'm now feeling very optimistic about this election. I was hopeful but deeply concerned about Hillary Clinton's election, and pessimistic with a pit in my stomach once the the October surprise went down. With Biden, I felt the same as Valmy. 

The MSM is what it is. But Harris has adroitly gone around the MSM to connect directly with voters with her ads plus Taylor Swift. Beyonce. The Convention. They've masterfully targeted swing voters and voters. Kamala was also in supposedly deeply red Texas yesterday, 11 days before the election, to rally voter turnout for her and for a Senate election. That provides so much information about where things stand. She's pushing the edges. Women are going to save our collective asses. I'm not spiking the football until election day but this election couldn't reasonably be going any better than it is. 

If I were on xitter, I would -- at least for the time being -- trim my follows to ~3 people whose reputation I considered unimpeachable, and I'd just scroll their posts instead of looking at my feed if the site was fucking with my feed. I would not, under any circumstances, subject myself to its algorithm. If you're on xitter you're -- pehaps unwittingly -- watching Russian ops happen in real time.  

Edited October 26 by Chopper

[C-Man 27184]

Mine and Mrs C-Man’s votes are in as of a few mins ago. Chalk up two more votes in Texas for Kamala and Collin!

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

Just had some fucking cunt knocking doors in my neighborhood putting this shit on my door to get out the vote for republicans.  Also had a “Trump endorsed” congressman or something flyer telling me vote for this America First candidate.  Read this shit and tell me if you see anything rage inducing about it.  

[hookem2010 2623]

10 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

You going to post a pic of the burrito or just fuck the rules?

Srsly, tho, drive safe. 

Drive safe, take a deep breath of mountain air, then get back to work being the foil to briskets ledge character for 10 more days.

[Gatorubet 30185]

50 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I can’t remember the general tone four years ago, but I think there was a genuine lack of clarity one way or the other? Can’t remember. 

all I know is that many women voting is very bad for the orange shithead. That is about as finessed as I need to be..

[atomheartbevo 89623]

3 hours ago, Bullneck said:

  I could see a rally in Staten Island

[TexEx15 17509]

 

[atomheartbevo 89623]

5 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

I’m can’t believe we are still on the Rohan thing, 

4 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

But Gondor calls for aid!

 

Let’s stick to Chili’s talk and ditch the Chronicles of Narnia talk, because otherwise somebody will post the gif of Dumbledore saying “Use the Force Harry” and then somebody else will get triggered and will argue who was better as Dumbledore - Ian McKellen or Brian Cox.

[Valmy77 13225]

7 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

Just had some fucking cunt knocking doors in my neighborhood putting this shit on my door to get out the vote for republicans.  Also had a “Trump endorsed” congressman or something flyer telling me vote for this America First candidate.  Read this shit and tell me if you see anything rage inducing about it.  

Same old shit. Somehow they have had an unchecked majority in the Lege plus every statewide office every year this century yet can never seem to achieve their legislative goals.

[wood 11225]

4 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I had been taught about the poll tax, but it didn't really land until last year when I was helping my wife and her sister go through their dad's papers after he passed away.  He had kept poll tax receipts that he and his father-in-law had paid, going back to the 40s.  When you see that a person had to pay $75 in 1948 dollars to vote, that brings home just how onerous the poll tax was.  That lady is an absolute hero and treasure.

Fucking unbelievable. I knew about poll taxes, but I had no idea they were this steep or that they lasted so long. 

[jimmyjazz 45880]

47 minutes ago, immamac said:

I don't remember anyone thinking Hillary had it in the bag. The Hillary Bernie thing was really messy and bad and everyone hated Hillary. 

This is not that.

Uh, the vast majority of Democrats thought Trump had zero chance.

[C-Man 27184]

Just had some fucking cunt knocking doors in my neighborhood putting this shit on my door to get out the vote for republicans.  Also had a “Trump endorsed” congressman or something flyer telling me vote for this America First candidate.  Read this shit and tell me if you see anything rage inducing about it.  

Narrator: they won’t do any of that

[quigley 1557]

13 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Shit, the mayor of Oklahoma Fucking City just came out yesterday.

That's suicide for his chance for higher office. Good for him to take a stand that he wasn't obligated to take.

[David Dennison 18844]

NM

Edited October 26 by David Dennison

[David Dennison 18844]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Let’s stick to Chili’s talk and ditch the Chronicles of Narnia talk, because otherwise somebody will post the gif of Dumbledore saying “Use the Force Harry” and then somebody else will get triggered and will argue who was better as Dumbledore - Ian McKellen or Brian Cox.

Upon further review, this is hilarious.