2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Js1 85338]

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Tell me you don't know shit about Oregon without telling me you don't know shit about Oregon.  The eastern half of Oregon is full blown maga.  It's not a long drive to do that and head back home.

I mean, that part of Oregon wants to merge with Idaho. Should tell you all someone needs to know about it 

[Incredulity 11672]

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Tell me you don't know shit about Oregon without telling me you don't know shit about Oregon.  The eastern half of Oregon is full blown maga.  It's not a long drive to do that and head back home.

LOL.  who doesn't know oregon?

How long is the drive between Baker and Portland, hot shot?

[mdmost 43001]

Yes, yes. MAGA won't drive long distances to mess up vote counts or election certifications.......

[BamaATL 16593]

Just now, Incredulity said:

LOL.  who doesn't know oregon?

How long is the drive between Baker and Portland, hot shot?

That's a trick question.  It doesn't translate to walking in Birkenstocks 

[aggie08 21504]

8 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Did that dude really see a black guy in the crowd and immediately make a watermelon joke?

You just don't understand smart humor.

[Incredulity 11672]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Yes, yes. MAGA won't drive long distances to mess up vote counts or election certifications.......

Is it long distances, or "not a far drive"?  Now I haz the confuse

Edited October 28 by Incredulity

[mdmost 43001]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Is it long distances, or "not that far"?  Now I haz the confuse

We know. This world is frightening and confusing to you. Best go back to lurking. I'm sure you'll have something to troll us on soon. Or a fun gif to share. 

[Goredho 17406]

1 minute ago, Incredulity said:

Now I haz the confuse

You are just now noticing?

[mchookem 16336]

53 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Why are Republicans destroying ballot collection boxes if they’re winning bigly?

i mean why are they destroying them in midnight blue states (OR and WA??) where they are going to lose by tens if not hundreds of thousands anyway? 

i think they just mad 🤔

Edited October 28 by mchookem

[David Dennison 18860]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

We know. This world is frightening and confusing to you. Best go back to lurking. I'm sure you'll have something to troll us on soon. Or a fun gif to share. 

Don't you dare besmirch GIFs.

[Firemans4Horn 18050]

5 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Is it long distances, or "not a far drive"?  Now I haz the confuse

[texasdago 7573]

17 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Did that dude really see a black guy in the crowd and immediately make a watermelon joke?

[Celery Man 20950]

19 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

It is bananas to hear Trump talk if you haven’t listened to Trump talk in a while. Goddamn. Crazy there are people on this site either saying yep to that or doing the mental work to convince themselves that when they pull the lever for that they haven’t completely abandoned all of their values.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Is it long distances, or "not a far drive"?  Now I haz the confuse

Something I am confused about is how Trump isn’t a shitbag? Can you explain it to us please.

[Pato del Muerto 52498]

10 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Don't you dare besmirch GIFs.

He probably pronounces it like the peanut butter though. 

[Foosters 17856]

Skippy?

[texasdago 7573]

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Skippy?

Maranatha bruh

[Scheiss Meister 8407]

16 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

LOL.  who doesn't know oregon?

How long is the drive between Baker and Portland, hot shot?

It's Baker City, and it's only 4 1/2 hours.  Not long at all, especially compared to the magat asshats that traveled from all over for J6.  But you don't have to go that far east.  Last month when I drove to Oregon to visit my daughter, I could still hear the banjos at The Dalles.  They are pretty loud around Bend, too.

[Bozo_Casanova 26462]

17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I mean, that part of Oregon wants to merge with Idaho. Should tell you all someone needs to know about it 

For those of you who aren't aware of this, it's not a joke, and it's not some fringe thing - 17 of the the 36 counties in Oregon, representing the eastern half of state have put secession measures on the ballot and 13 have approved them. 

[C-Man 27227]

Donald Trump’s Racist NYC Rally Was Vile. It Was Also Political Suicide

FINAL ACT

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-racist-nyc-rally-was-vile-it-was-also-political-suicide/

Quote

To all those Republicans who shed crocodile tears because their feelings were so hurt that people were calling Donald Trump a fascist: Stop.

To all the MAGA defenders who said it was over-the-top to compare Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally to that held by the German-American Bund in an earlier incarnation of Madison Square Garden: Shush.

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To all those who were falling once again for the bought-and-paid-for narrative that Trump somehow had the momentum going into the final week of campaign 2024: Nope.

On Sunday at MSG, Donald Trump engineered what will be seen by political analysts and later by historians as the coup de grâce that killed forever his prospects of being president and may well have set him on a post-election course on which he finally may be held accountable for his actions.

The interminable rally concluded by an interminable, disjointed, incoherent and yet clearly vile speech by the former president, might have been touted by Trump’s son Don Jr., one of his warm-up acts, as the “King of New York returning to reclaim his crown.” But Trump was never the King of New York. (Sorry, Lara, your father-in-law did not “build” New York. Immigrants did. But we’ll get to that in a minute.)

Trump has always been loathed in New York City, especially in his former home borough of Manhattan where the vote against him was and will be dependably over 80 percent. But if he was hated before, rest assured he will be more despised after tonight.

That was clear early on when Tony Hinchcliffe, a man invited by Trump to give one of the introductory speeches—who in true MAGA fashion alleged without providing a shred of evidence that he was a comedian—offered a KKK buffet of nauseating slurs. He called Puerto Rico “a floating island of garbage.”

The “joke” was as stupid as it was repulsive because there are almost 600,000 Puerto Ricans in New York City and many more spread across regions of vital importance in the upcoming election. It also happened to come on a day when Vice President Kamala Harris announced her detailed and thoughtful plan for Puerto Rico, an island Trump wanted to trade to Denmark in exchange for Greenland.

But this loser did not stop there. He offered unfunny commentary about his view that Latinos “love making babies” and a reference to how his Black friends liked carving watermelons.

You might think that a few super-racist comments from one speaker might not warrant comments that compared the Trump rally to the Nazi meeting 85 years ago. But his comments were hardly the worst. And the racism and the hate and incitement to violence and the promise of an increasingly authoritarian state continued from the very beginning of the event to the very end.

One speaker said that Harris was managed by “pimp handlers” and said of Democrats that “we need to slaughter these other people.” Disgraced and destitute former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said, as did several others, that Democrats were behind attempts to kill Donald Trump. Another speaker called Harris “the devil” and “the antichrist.”

Former Trump aide Stephen Miller, as is his habit, went directly for the Nazi playbook saying, “America is for Americans and Americans only.” Tucker Carlson came out to offer more racist slurs about Harris. Hulk Hogan ripped his shirt off while declaring he saw no Nazis in the audience (thus proving that steroid abuse can not only shrivel up your junk but that it’s not really good for your eyesight either).

Elon Musk was there acting strangely and promising to slash the size of the government (except, presumably, the parts that are subsidizing his businesses).

As an aside, it is worth noting the irony of Musk appearing at a rally condemning illegal immigration when recent revelations seem to confirm that he himself was an illegal immigrant. That’s not just hypocrisy. If he lied about any aspect of his citizenship status or journey when filling out the forms required to get the Top Secret clearance that this phone pal of Vladimir Putin has, it’s a felony and could not only cause his clearances to be revoked it could be bad news for his businesses and frankly his ability to stay in the United States. No wonder he is all in for the only “politician” in America who would pardon his crimes in a heartbeat.

Donald Trump speaks at Madison Square Garden on October 27, 2024 in New York City.Michael M. Santiago/Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images

Trump attacked the media, and egged the crowd on to boo journalists in the crowd. He said migrants had taken over Times Square (which is nine blocks uptown from where the rally was held). He called the U.S. an occupied country which, while bad, may be better than his reference to it as a garbage can the other day. He called Harris a “low-IQ individual.” He offered so many lies that cable networks tuned him out because it was impossible to keep up with fact-checking him. He returned to old themes like the bizarre notion that Harris would reinstate the draft and start World War III.

Most importantly from the perspective of confirming his fascism he reiterated at length his assertion that his opponents were “enemies of the people.” (You know the ones against whom he promised to unleash the U.S. military.) He called them “the most sinister and corrupt forces on Earth.”

In other words the entire event, despite its marathon length and hodgepodge of z-list speakers, delivered over and over again a very focused message. The Trump campaign is about retribution and revenge. It is about the white supremacist desire to purge America of all their neighbors of different colors and beliefs. It is about Trump’s desire to seek out his enemies and punish them. And over the course of its Wagnerian length (and resonances) it singled out group after group that would be deported or punished.

From a political perspective the strategy is pure suicide. The rally will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump and it is hard to imagine it has earned him one single new vote. (Unless there is a Franz Liebkind somewhere who has been too busy writing “Springtime for Hitler” to have paid attention to the campaign until now.) It was a play to the base when the biggest problem Trump has in this election is breaking through his rock solid ceiling of around 47 percent of the electorate.

But worse still, unlike the Bund rally, Trump’s was not a fringe affair. It was led by a former President of the United States on behalf of very nearly half of the American people.

Its threats of authoritarianism were supported by efforts during the first Trump presidency to sidestep the rule of law and by crimes including a coup attempt we all saw with our own eyes. Its future plans for concentration camps in the U.S. and for mass deportations and the use of the military against the American people have been carefully developed, and there is a plan to put them in place.

That is why Trump’s Sunday rally at Madison Square Garden was, as it turned out, far more ominous than its predecessor. It should chill Americans to the bone. But, I expect it will do more than that. I believe it will mobilize more voters to take action on Nov. 5 to stop the 21st-century fascism of Trump and MAGA.

Trump may be thinking the rally will help him mobilize thugs to violence when he contests his loss and we should be wary of that. But he has provided on the eve of the election the best case why he must be defeated that has ever been presented. In the end, because what unfolded was so foul and so offensive and threatening to so many of us, I believe that is why we will someday conclude that for all intents and purposes Trump’s final political act occurred on the biggest stage in America’s biggest city, a couple of blocks from Broadway.

 

[chainsaw 9869]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Political Suicide

We can only hope.

[Scheiss Meister 8407]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

For those of you who aren't aware of this, it's not a joke, and it's not some fringe thing - 17 of the the 36 counties in Oregon, representing the eastern half of state have put secession measures on the ballot and 13 have approved them. 

Pretty much anything east of the Cascades is maga.  It was jarring to witness.  West of the Cascades you see normal people; east of them you're in a different world.

[Huckleberry 32861]

22 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Is it long distances, or "not a far drive"?  Now I haz the confuse

It's 1:15 tops to Portland from the closest county Trump won in 2020. 1:45 to the closest county he won with 70% of the vote. Those aren't far drives or long distances to those of us who don't wear Depends, dude.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Donald Trump’s Racist NYC Rally Was Vile. It Was Also Political Suicide
FINAL ACT
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-racist-nyc-rally-was-vile-it-was-also-political-suicide/

To all those Republicans who shed crocodile tears because their feelings were so hurt that people were calling Donald Trump a fascist: Stop.
To all the MAGA defenders who said it was over-the-top to compare Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally to that held by the German-American Bund in an earlier incarnation of Madison Square Garden: Shush.
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To all those who were falling once again for the bought-and-paid-for narrative that Trump somehow had the momentum going into the final week of campaign 2024: Nope.
On Sunday at MSG, Donald Trump engineered what will be seen by political analysts and later by historians as the coup de grâce that killed forever his prospects of being president and may well have set him on a post-election course on which he finally may be held accountable for his actions.
The interminable rally concluded by an interminable, disjointed, incoherent and yet clearly vile speech by the former president, might have been touted by Trump’s son Don Jr., one of his warm-up acts, as the “King of New York returning to reclaim his crown.” But Trump was never the King of New York. (Sorry, Lara, your father-in-law did not “build” New York. Immigrants did. But we’ll get to that in a minute.)
Trump has always been loathed in New York City, especially in his former home borough of Manhattan where the vote against him was and will be dependably over 80 percent. But if he was hated before, rest assured he will be more despised after tonight.
That was clear early on when Tony Hinchcliffe, a man invited by Trump to give one of the introductory speeches—who in true MAGA fashion alleged without providing a shred of evidence that he was a comedian—offered a KKK buffet of nauseating slurs. He called Puerto Rico “a floating island of garbage.”
The “joke” was as stupid as it was repulsive because there are almost 600,000 Puerto Ricans in New York City and many more spread across regions of vital importance in the upcoming election. It also happened to come on a day when Vice President Kamala Harris announced her detailed and thoughtful plan for Puerto Rico, an island Trump wanted to trade to Denmark in exchange for Greenland.
But this loser did not stop there. He offered unfunny commentary about his view that Latinos “love making babies” and a reference to how his Black friends liked carving watermelons.
You might think that a few super-racist comments from one speaker might not warrant comments that compared the Trump rally to the Nazi meeting 85 years ago. But his comments were hardly the worst. And the racism and the hate and incitement to violence and the promise of an increasingly authoritarian state continued from the very beginning of the event to the very end.
One speaker said that Harris was managed by “pimp handlers” and said of Democrats that “we need to slaughter these other people.” Disgraced and destitute former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said, as did several others, that Democrats were behind attempts to kill Donald Trump. Another speaker called Harris “the devil” and “the antichrist.”
Former Trump aide Stephen Miller, as is his habit, went directly for the Nazi playbook saying, “America is for Americans and Americans only.” Tucker Carlson came out to offer more racist slurs about Harris. Hulk Hogan ripped his shirt off while declaring he saw no Nazis in the audience (thus proving that steroid abuse can not only shrivel up your junk but that it’s not really good for your eyesight either).
Elon Musk was there acting strangely and promising to slash the size of the government (except, presumably, the parts that are subsidizing his businesses).
As an aside, it is worth noting the irony of Musk appearing at a rally condemning illegal immigration when recent revelations seem to confirm that he himself was an illegal immigrant. That’s not just hypocrisy. If he lied about any aspect of his citizenship status or journey when filling out the forms required to get the Top Secret clearance that this phone pal of Vladimir Putin has, it’s a felony and could not only cause his clearances to be revoked it could be bad news for his businesses and frankly his ability to stay in the United States. No wonder he is all in for the only “politician” in America who would pardon his crimes in a heartbeat.
Donald Trump speaks at Madison Square Garden on October 27, 2024 in New York City.Michael M. Santiago/Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images
Trump attacked the media, and egged the crowd on to boo journalists in the crowd. He said migrants had taken over Times Square (which is nine blocks uptown from where the rally was held). He called the U.S. an occupied country which, while bad, may be better than his reference to it as a garbage can the other day. He called Harris a “low-IQ individual.” He offered so many lies that cable networks tuned him out because it was impossible to keep up with fact-checking him. He returned to old themes like the bizarre notion that Harris would reinstate the draft and start World War III.
Most importantly from the perspective of confirming his fascism he reiterated at length his assertion that his opponents were “enemies of the people.” (You know the ones against whom he promised to unleash the U.S. military.) He called them “the most sinister and corrupt forces on Earth.”
In other words the entire event, despite its marathon length and hodgepodge of z-list speakers, delivered over and over again a very focused message. The Trump campaign is about retribution and revenge. It is about the white supremacist desire to purge America of all their neighbors of different colors and beliefs. It is about Trump’s desire to seek out his enemies and punish them. And over the course of its Wagnerian length (and resonances) it singled out group after group that would be deported or punished.
From a political perspective the strategy is pure suicide. The rally will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump and it is hard to imagine it has earned him one single new vote. (Unless there is a Franz Liebkind somewhere who has been too busy writing “Springtime for Hitler” to have paid attention to the campaign until now.) It was a play to the base when the biggest problem Trump has in this election is breaking through his rock solid ceiling of around 47 percent of the electorate.
But worse still, unlike the Bund rally, Trump’s was not a fringe affair. It was led by a former President of the United States on behalf of very nearly half of the American people.
Its threats of authoritarianism were supported by efforts during the first Trump presidency to sidestep the rule of law and by crimes including a coup attempt we all saw with our own eyes. Its future plans for concentration camps in the U.S. and for mass deportations and the use of the military against the American people have been carefully developed, and there is a plan to put them in place.
That is why Trump’s Sunday rally at Madison Square Garden was, as it turned out, far more ominous than its predecessor. It should chill Americans to the bone. But, I expect it will do more than that. I believe it will mobilize more voters to take action on Nov. 5 to stop the 21st-century fascism of Trump and MAGA.
Trump may be thinking the rally will help him mobilize thugs to violence when he contests his loss and we should be wary of that. But he has provided on the eve of the election the best case why he must be defeated that has ever been presented. In the end, because what unfolded was so foul and so offensive and threatening to so many of us, I believe that is why we will someday conclude that for all intents and purposes Trump’s final political act occurred on the biggest stage in America’s biggest city, a couple of blocks from Broadway.

 

I don’t think this was political suicide at all. I tend to think the campaign has known going on weeks now that the patient is dead. This was all done to drum up the frenzy in the base for the shenanigan laden “revival”.

[Pancho 44804]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

Yup. I've told the story of my neighbor who dressed his 7 year old up as Creepy Joe Biden last halloween. 

I'm glad we're travelling to another neighborhood this halloween. 

 

I think I posted here the video of a toddler dressed as turnip being wheeled down the aisle of a church. 

 

Like wtf? Who goes to church and thinks “hey, let’s dress up Ethan as turnip for some laughs!”

[Bozo_Casanova 26462]

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Pretty much anything east of the Cascades is maga.  It was jarring to witness.  West of the Cascades you see normal people; east of them you're in a different world.

Totally but Portland's got plenty as well. It's similar to Seattle/Tacoma except the Oregon ones are crazier. 

[Incredulity 11672]

24 minutes ago, mdmost said:

We know. This world is frightening and confusing to you. Best go back to lurking. I'm sure you'll have something to troll us on soon. Or a fun gif to share. 

[Brisketexan 105142]

5 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Donald Trump’s Racist NYC Rally Was Vile. It Was Also Political Suicide

FINAL ACT

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-racist-nyc-rally-was-vile-it-was-also-political-suicide/

 

[Brisket, laughing very loudly to the sounds of the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape]

When.  The FUCK.  Are people going to realize that nothing hurts him?  NOTHING.  HE TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE FUCKING REPUBLIC, ON LIVE FUCKING TELEVISION.....and it didn't matter.

When things are this far gone, they end only one way: in blood.  Lots of it.

[mdmost 43001]

We're going to ask Ghost of LL to do an intervention if you keep talking or attributing things to yourself in 3rd person.

 

[jimmyjazz 45957]

A minor nit regarding the "comedian's" monologue:  islands don't float

[Brisketexan 105142]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

We're going to ask Ghost of LL to do an intervention if you keep talking or attributing things to yourself in 3rd person.

 

Say what you will, but word on the street is that ole Brisketexan is one sexy bastard.  And folks say his office smells of rich mahogany.

[Hmbre97 6308]

1 hour ago, heso said:

Based on every decision I’ve seen them make, every ad they’re running, the podcasts they have him on, the crypto events they have him at, it’s 18-45 white males. 

They are tying to turnout low information, low turnout, white bros.

They are pumping hundreds of millions of dollars into trying to get low turnout, bros to vote. It’s the only demographic they have any room to grow with. What do dumb white bros love? Punching down at everyone they see as inferior to them? So they make fun of minorities, and women, and gays, and trans. It’s a constant refrain of DEI making it harder for you. It’s mocking the libtard snowflakes. 

Trump is their god because he’s everything they wish they could be. Able to do and say whatever the fuck they want to anyone and about anyone with no repercussions. Because they’re too stupid to realize the difference between them and him. 

This x1000

[Brisketexan 105142]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

A minor nit regarding the "comedian's" monologue:  islands don't float

Do you even "capsizing Guam," bro?

[Hmbre97 6308]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

A minor nit regarding the "comedian's" monologue:  islands don't float

"Sir, I have to respectfully disagree"

[The Original Greaser Bob 2833]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

When.  The FUCK.  Are people going to realize that nothing hurts him?  NOTHING.

Not sure why this post reminded me of one of the albums me and my brother had back in the day.  I feel dirty equating James Brown (either) with POS Dotard.

[LTbear 4169]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

A minor nit regarding the "comedian's" monologue:  islands don't float

He probably doesn't know that

[Pancho 44804]

On a side note, should I come in for the Florida game? Am I invited to the Surly tailgate?

[The Original Greaser Bob 2833]

12 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

The ugliest girl in Puerto Rico.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

12 hours ago, Stilicho said:

Was J6 our Beer Hall Putsch?

Time will tell. Wasn't it roughly ten years before Hitler finally took power after the first failed attempt?

[Tuco 5076]

 
Young men is interesting

My wife keeps saying this. Now I know what she’s referencing.

[Stilicho 1397]

8 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

 

I don’t think this was political suicide at all. I tend to think the campaign has known going on weeks now that the patient is dead. This was all done to drum up the frenzy in the base for the shenanigan laden “revival”.

Yeah. This thing was nothing more than a “sharpen the knives” call to the crazy fucks that make up his base. 

The similarities to 1939 were always going to be there. Rather than prove everyone else wrong (this is totally not a Nazi rally!), they chose to purposefully lean into it hard. 

They’re betting on violence from here to January. 

[Mole 4333]

2 hours ago, mdmost said:

Apparently black men, Hispanic people, and union people. Only one of those 3 seems reasonable. 

A case study that is probably not largely applicable to a broader population: My family had lunch with a young Black college student of mine the other day. His family situation isn’t great. His local Southern Baptist Church took an interest in him years ago and has been highly supportive of him.

Many of the people he loves and respects the most are Southern Baptists — and they have been great to him. Their care and investment in him will change his life and the lives of his descendants. Their actions have been admirable and represent the best of humanity.

Because of that environment, his mindset is to answer life questions by seeking out the biblical answer.  This is his first election and he has been asking trusted older people for their opinions. Most of what he has heard is that the “biblical” answer centers around opposition to abortion.

He’s not homophobic nor drawn in by the Trump fake machismo. He’s a thoughtful, intelligent kid trying his best to make good choices. He told us at lunch that he’s unsure but is leaning towards Trump because that is the “biblical” answer. His teenage and early adult life has treated the Trump madness as something normal. Like all of us, we’re products of our environment.

I try to keep politics out of my teaching to the extent possible, but this was a good chance outside of the teaching environment to challenge his conception of biblical voting while speaking in his biblical terms. I pointed to the book of James and the discussion of Godly wisdom being pure, impartial, sincere, open to reason, and full of mercy and good fruit. I also pointed to clear and explicit commands about treatment of foreigners, widows, and orphans. Rather than detour down the complexities and unintended (?) consequences of anti-abortion laws, I pointed out that while it’s possible to make a reasonable implicit case for the pro-life position using biblical principles, there are very explicit biblical commands concerning how we treat one another and how we deal with marginalized groups.

I think his inclination would be to vote Kamala if not for the influence of those people he looks up to. My hope is that I was able to give him space to see that even using his standards, the answer is still pretty clearly Kamala.

I understand that for many on this board, even granting the premise of “biblical” voting sounds horrifying, but our personal value largely define how we vote and it’s often possible to show someone a better way using their own values.

We left that conversation with him expressing the strangeness that a convicted felon could be elected. My wife brought up the rape issue.

I’m not sure how he’ll vote; there’s a lot of baggage pulling him to Trump but I think he also knows it isn’t the right thing to do.

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, Stilicho said:

Yeah. This thing was nothing more than a “sharpen the knives” call to the crazy fucks that make up his base. 

The similarities to 1939 were always going to be there. Rather than prove everyone else wrong (this is totally not a Nazi rally!), they chose to purposefully lean into it hard. 

They’re betting on violence from here to January. 

Violence has a 0% chance of success, much less after Jan 6. His only shot is the ballot box, he does not have absolutely anything that can make him win in a coup, and I said this when he theoretically controlled the military 4 years ago, but he was a headless chicken back then, today he has project 2025 plan drawn up by the neo nazis.

[RDCanecutter 26443]

6 hours ago, G650 said:

That's actually an improvement for Ds

My first impression of Eastern Shore Virginia, maybe 15 years ago, was a gigantic Confederate battle flag near the border as we were driving down from Maryland. Looking back, that was actually less depressing than a giant Trump flag would be.

[cactusflinthead 27598]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Of course there is a chance it was a conservative who did it.  It also could be teenagers just doing stupid shit.

Point is the PNW is FULL of people so far left they find Kamala repellant.  Those people outnumber conservatives in PDX 10to 1.

here is a case study.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/at-seattle-rally-sawant-says-harris-deserves-to-lose-1000-times/

It's just as plausible that one of the disaffected red voters from the rural area drives in to throw an incendiary device into the voting box of who he is pretty sure is more liberal.

 

[G650 14256]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

My first impression of Eastern Shore Virginia, maybe 15 years ago, was a gigantic Confederate battle flag near the border as we were driving down from Maryland. Looking back, that was actually less depressing than a giant Trump flag would be.

Sadly accurate

[jimmyjazz 45957]

Just now, cactusflinthead said:

It's just as plausible that one of the disaffected red voters from the rural area drives in to throw an incendiary device into the voting box of who he is pretty sure is more liberal.

Just as plausible?  Far more plausible.

[Incredulity 11672]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Just as plausible?  Far more plausible.

about as plausible as Jussie getting "maga countried" in downtown Chicago

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

4 minutes ago, linux said:

Violence has a 0% chance of success, much less after Jan 6. His only shot is the ballot box, he does not have absolutely anything that can make him win in a coup, and I said this when he theoretically controlled the military 4 years ago, but he was a headless chicken back then, today he has project 2025 plan drawn up by the neo nazis.

I've long thought Trump's best chance is creating chaos while simultaneously retaining control of the House. There is a long line of GOP politicians who are happy to lie by saying that they can't certify because of widespread fraud, and that we need to follow the Constitution by allowing the House to vote for President. Each state gets 1 vote. The open question is whether the courts would agree.

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PA numbers

389k D/R edge 

447k D+I(.4 margin for dems)/R

Edited October 28 by hookem2010