2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Anastasis 23190]

17 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Live your own life, bro

Girdusky talking stupid shit is basically the same run of the mill you get from Rex on the DT thread. Except CNN apparently has higher standards than the mods in this forum. 

[Anastasis 23190]

39 minutes ago, Chopper said:

see, also. 

[Pancho 41625]

 

[safe sex 11534]

JFC trying to big league the sitting Vice President of the United States. What a bitch

[bolverk 28858]

12 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Girdusky talking stupid shit is basically the same run of the mill you get from Rex on the DT thread. Except CNN apparently has higher standards than the mods in this forum. 

I dunno about that. It seems to me CNN has lower standards.

CNN gave that stupid motherfucker airtime. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to that dude, but one would think some staffer would say something along the lines of "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why are we letting this idiot on our air?" At least here on Surly, a cunt making cunt sounds like that would get cut down pretty quickly before going big time.

I honestly believe we have higher standards to meet at this pivotal moment than the former "Most Trusted Name in News." Our vetting process is much more thorough.

[gmr548 16244]

6 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

How do they cure this? Special election?

 

5 hours ago, Chopper said:

update/correction - many ballots destroyed in Vancouver. Only 2 in Portland.

 

Vancouver by the way was the staging point for the nazis who'd regularly commute to Portland to try to stir up trouble, until they got their asses whooped. They'd all meet in their fascist friend's Vancouver basement apartment before carpooling to Portland. Lots of white supremacist types like @incredulity live there. 

WA has pretty accommodating voter laws so the folks that dropped their ballots at that location that day will have a chance to resubmit them. There's really no way to know who did, though, so it's about getting word out.

5 hours ago, flatdawgs said:

Spoklahoma.

Spokane is actually a pleasant enough purply-blue city with some excellent golf courses that always seems on the cusp of boom or collapse, and never does either. I have a lot of family history there; g-g-grandparents moved there 125 years ago with their little girl, who grew up and married there and had my grandmother (all three houses they lived in are still there). They all eventually moved to Seattle, though. /csb

The drive from Montana to Spoke isn't bad; it's pretty much through the Rockies the whole way, albeit not the super-scenic parts. It's the drive west from Spokane to Ellensburg that seriously sucks for this part of the country.

My impression from my brief time as a WA resident is that Spokane is for if you are too Idaho for Seattle but not Idaho enough for Idaho.

5 hours ago, quigley said:

What's the data point? I click the link and see only the prose.

The data point is Trump +4 in Kansas is an unusually low margin for a Republican, from a pollster that has at least some recent success there.

I doubt the margin actually finishes that low but the sentiment that there will be some weird results rings true. Just as the majority of Trump's gains among men of color will be in noncompetitive states where people of color actually live - CA, TX, FL, NY, IL, NJ, etc. - the country club Republican defections are likely to produce weird margins in solidly red states.

2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Things are going great. 

 

Jesus Christ. This country is in a shameful place.

Reason number one million and one I hope Harris wins: So the defamation lawsuit can proceed.

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Welp…not sure if it’s panic time on Nevada or not 

 

Nevada's gone. Apologies to @Js1. They caught the white whale.

57 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

Jesus. Imagine being so clueless that you don't know your partners political beliefs. 

Imagine being so clueless that you think there aren't women out there either avoiding the topic or nodding and smiling to avoid something between an argument with a cult member and a beating.

[Slacks 6663]

4 hours ago, mdmost said:

Based on what? They would've done that already if that was the play. There's nothing in the Constitution about how a party has to nominate the person for President, just that they meet certain requirements to be eligible to be President, of which she meets. 

I'm not saying it's going to be a constitutional argument. I'm saying they're going to claim she is ineligible in some state based on some interpretation of some obscure secret law. 

They already floated the idea, then let it go. It's their "secret".

[Chopper 15778]

long post warning - 

I've been reading a bunch of the critiques of Bezos. Here's some of the deeper cuts.

 

 

<How much do you trust the media?>

<trust in media separated by political affiliation>

 

this is a badass resignation letter from a contributing columnist

 

A WP Opinions writer and editor

 

 

 

 

[Chopper 15778]

@immamacI'm not sure why these videos take up so much screen space. To download bluesky vids the app to use is down.blue. The native format is .ts but apparently that's not accepted on this site so I have it converted to mp4, which is the only other option. Any ideas?

[Tuco 4980]

 

8 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

 

 

6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Also, fuck that guy.  Climate change denying asswipe has a point, but who’d take advice from that nutter?

So fucking weird - Dave and I were good friends sophomore year in high school.  He was a rabid pro-lifer even back then.  A bit of a prick, but so was I.  I had no idea he had gone pro with being an asshole. Good for him, I guess. I'm maintaining my amateur status, in case it becomes an Olympic sport.   Obviously we hadn't kept up over the years.  He went to a different school after sophomore year.  I'm pretty sure the last time I saw him (or heard anything about him until today) is when I kicked him out of a party senior year.  

I think his post may be as much about trying to save Bacon and Fischer as it is about dumping Trump. If Trump is going to lose NE-2, it's important to signal to Republicans to not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  Stress the importance of divided government under a Democratic President so they still show up and vote down ballot. 

Edited Tuesday at 06:08 AM by Tuco

[linux 1369]

56 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You may not know the answer, but why are they just realizing this NOW?  Are they really THAT checked out that they didn't realize he and his party are completely batshit racist and against their existence?  Serious question.  Even if you "don't pay attention to politics", I find it insane that you wouldn't know these people are actively against you.

Its a lot easier to tune out politics if this happens on another language, do you follow japanese politics? at the end of the day there are two things working against democrats and hispanics. Here are my observations on why they are tough nut to crack.

 

1) Nobody speaks spanish, like fucking seriously how hard is it to have anyone that speaks spanish anywhere on the ticket? it seems like insanity to me. 

2) The spanish speaking media does nothing its all the same corpo crap

3) Male hispanics love strong leaders, but its honor culture as well, which backfired on Trump spectacularly. Compare that to deplorable MAGA that follow the victim + cruelty culture, Trump can call them anything but they justify it, because he is bad to the people they hate

4) Race is still a major issue, white hispanics are also racist against brown hispanics. They are leopard party deniers though.

5) They still vote democrats, the problem is that you have to drill down race, gender and nationality to get a clearer picture a white cuban male is Trump 24/7 but a brown mexican woman in Texas votes democrats however her vote is depressed because...

6) They are terrified of what is happening, MAGA is repeating the same terrorize voters into staying home strategy that they tried in 2020. it works better on some than others, that is why the rage is important.

[Hank_Hill 17542]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Girdusky talking stupid shit is basically the same run of the mill you get from Rex on the DT thread. Except CNN apparently has higher standards than the mods in this forum. 

Feel free to provide content that isn’t bitching about the content then 

[Valmy77 12491]

A little concerned about offending the oligarchs like Bezos. I probably shouldn't be but they are oligarchs. They have tremendous resources and power that exceeds many elected officials and they can never be voted out of office. They are our own kings and dukes.

Hey this is exactly the kind of thing we were warned would happen if we let the rich run amok. Ah well.

[Chopper 15778]

 "You're a member of Hamas and Israel may decide to blow you up any minute now."

Seems odd that Ana is complaining that there's too much ridicule of a nazi going on in this thread. Is the world upside down?

[Chopper 15778]

lulz - now the problem is Harris will only give Rogen an hour of her time a week before the election, and wants it to be in DC. 

[Chopper 15778]

[Chilly Water 410]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

That’s a shame. If she wants to make inroads with the  “bros” or  young, white male demo that they’re worried Trump has, then make the time.

[Hank_Hill 17542]

5 minutes ago, Chilly Water said:

That’s a shame. If she wants to make inroads with the  “bros” or  young, white male demo that they’re worried Trump has, then make the time.

Those Zyn headed Neanderthals are too far gone at this point

[Chopper 15778]

6 minutes ago, Chilly Water said:

That’s a shame. If she wants to make inroads with the  “bros” or  young, white male demo that they’re worried Trump has, then make the time.

oops I didn't see that post

 

SHOT

CHASER

[wood 10764]

9 hours ago, kevwun said:

It will be more than that.  I have Dem friends who think Kamala is going to lose.

Tell your Dem friends to stop being pussies. Kamala's going to win, and it won't be all that close.

[Chopper 15778]

this is good

 

[Chilly Water 410]

12 minutes ago, Chopper said:

oops I didn't see that post

 

SHOT

CHASER

You might need some professional help.

[Chilly Water 410]

16 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

Those Zyn headed Neanderthals are too far gone at this point

No disagreement on that here. 36 million views is a lot though, and a  3 hour podcast, if she can hold her own, could be a game changer for her. 

[wood 10764]

8 hours ago, Pancho said:

Lulz

LOL. Even if Hinchcliffe never spoke, the whole night was a  freakshow hate parade. People who focus solely on what he said are missing the point.

[wood 10764]

Comedians Roast Tony Hinchcliffe After Trump MSG ‘Bomb’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/comedians-roast-tony-hinchcliffe-after-trump-msg-bomb/

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‘WORST COMEDIAN IN THE WORLD’

Tony Hinchcliffe’s fellow comics turned up the heat on the roast specialist after his half-baked insults bombed at Donald Trump’s Madison Square Garden rally.

Hinchcliffe admitted to MAGA supporters that it wasn’t his usual audience after calling Puerto Rico a “floating island of garbage,” saying: “Normally I don’t follow the national anthem, everybody.”

The Los Angeles comedian has made his name insulting other celebrities on Comedy Central Roasts, including ones for Snoop Dogg and Tom Brady.

But after his quips fell flat at the Garden—with even the Trump campaign disavowing his jibe against Puerto Rico—Hinchcliffe found himself the brunt of the jokes as comedians piled in online.

“To be fair: None of the comics had a great set at Nuremberg either,” posted comedian and former Chelsea Lately panelist Guy Branum on X, formerly known as Twitter.

“There’s something so incredible about seeing the worst comedian in the world bomb so hard he changes the course of US history,” quipped The Late Late Show With James Corden writer Sean O’Connor.

Comedian and Emmy-nominated and WGA Award-winning writer Laurie Kilmartin wasn’t sure the MAGA crowd would even see Hinchcliffe’s set as a roast, writing: “imo, roast jokes work because you have to fight your inner “nooooo!” to laugh at them, and the people at Trump’s rally probably call Puerto Rico a floating garbage heap every morning before they leave for work. It’s not a joke to them, not even a roast joke.”

Stand-up comic Ian Karmel, co-head writer for CBS' The Late Late Show with James Corden, didn’t sound like a fan either, posting: “big day on here for your favorite comedian’s least favorite comedian.”

“More than ever we need Will Smith to slap a comedian,” posted Chris Estrada, co-creator and star of the Hulu comedy series This Fool.  
“I think America just found its next Jim Breuer!” wrote actor and comedian (and Daily Beast columnist) Michael Ian Black, referring to the former SNL comic, who faced a backlash over his opposition to COVID-19 regulations.

“The really sad part is that Tony worked 6 months as MSG’s door-guy for that set,” added stand-up comic Jesse Case.

Comedian Robin Tran wrote: “Most of the comedians piling on Tony are making jokes about him. Thats what we do when we don’t like somebody. We make jokes about them.”

Stand-up and Silicon Valley actress Alice Wetterlund, wrote on Threads: “One of the highlights of my career was going on a show that Tony Hinchcliff was on at @hollywoodimprov and he was bringing women up from the audience and insulting them while they awkwardly giggle? Anyway I didn’t get that that was his ‘act’ so I opened my set by saying he looks like if Lance Armstrong f***** a clock. He looks like if you microwave Pete Davidson from frozen. He looks like Geppeto’s first draft before pinocchio.”

“Probably the last thing I would’ve done tonight if I was @TonyHinchcliffe is retweet a clip of one of the funniest comedians ever having a great set," posted The Late Show with Stephen Colbert writer Daniel Kibblesmith.

And W. Kamau Bell, former host of CNN’s United Shades of America, clearly didn’t think Hinchcliffe has much of a future in the MAGA world. Referring to Anthony Scaramucci, who was fired 10 days into his job as Trump’s White House communications Director, he wrote: “Tony Hinchcliffe’s career with Trump barely lasted a tenth of Scaramucci.”
 

 

[SydneyCarton 47055]

6 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Abby Phillip's show is a shitshow every night. Giving MAGA Republicans a platform with equal speaking time in a panel discussion...disgraceful. CNN is deeply unserious and craves shock value to keep the lights on. 

 

 

 

Sounds and looks like it’s good for America. Like the rules of the Fairness Doctrine. The only problem is making all of America watch it. 

[Bojack 2013]

5 hours ago, Anastasis said:

 

 

Reading all yalls twitter feeds is awesome. Really compelling message board content. 

6 times you post about how you're not interested and don't want to see any of it. It's like you've come to a watch party and are crying about changing the channel in the 4th quarter of a tie game. 

[SimonBolivar 10645]

We've seen some theories here that polls were going to correct toward Kamala near the end and we've seen some theories that R leaning polls were going to push a narrative of it was impossible for Kamala to win. 

 

All of the swing states that were saying Kamala had a slight lead in the NYT aggregate now say it's a tie or a Trump lead.

 

 

 

Polling better be wrong again or we are toast.

Edited Tuesday at 11:17 AM by SimonBolivar

[Bojack 2013]

4 hours ago, Chilly Water said:

That’s a shame. If she wants to make inroads with the  “bros” or  young, white male demo that they’re worried Trump has, then make the time.

Make the time? It's a whole fucking day a week before the election to do his show. 

[SydneyCarton 47055]

On the election lab thread Sushi is pretty adamant that it will take a historic democratic turnout in PA and GA to get it done, and over here plenty of people finding evidence things look great. The whiplash is jarring. 

[immamac 41239]

15 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

On the election lab thread Sushi is pretty adamant that it will take a historic democratic turnout in PA and GA to get it done, and over here plenty of people finding evidence things look great. The whiplash is jarring. 

Sushi keeps thinking Rs vote R and that brand new never voted before voters that consist of more than 10% of the electorate and skew way young make for the same patterns as 2020 a really strange election in its own category. 

This is going to come down to who is showing up to vote, people who are energized by hate or people who you know, don't want their basic human rights taken away. 

I don't think it's hard to know which one is more energizing. 

[immamac 41239]

Also this nonsense of the biggest voting bloc thatvdoesnt vote being uneducated white males is also shrinking faster demographically than any other demographic. Its not moving the needle as much as people think its good for fleecing the rubes for money but it isn't good for setting policy or depending on them to do things like vote. 

Combine that with everyone saying it's a crushing defeat from the Rs who have literally been wrong about absolutely everything since 2016? They are actually 0 for on any predictions they yell into the clouds. The economy and oil and gas are at all time bests. 

[InkaUtexas 24774]

6 hours ago, bolverk said:

I dunno about that. It seems to me CNN has lower standards.

CNN gave that stupid motherfucker airtime. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to that dude, but one would think some staffer would say something along the lines of "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why are we letting this idiot on our air?" At least here on Surly, a cunt making cunt sounds like that would get cut down pretty quickly before going big time.

I honestly believe we have higher standards to meet at this pivotal moment than the former "Most Trusted Name in News." Our vetting process is much more thorough.

I agree. I would go meet  @Rex Kramer for a beer. Don't think I would do that with CNN's leadership. Plus they probably drink some shitty craft beer.

The conversation with Rex would probably be fun and entertaining. Don't think we would convince each other to change our views, but at least we would know where each stands and tip our hats at the end.

Since Amanpour set up her camera of death in Sarajevo to when they staged Bourdain's walk around Gaza CNN has sucked soon nuts.

[Francisco 2.0 31529]

 

1 minute ago, immamac said:

This is going to come down to who is showing up to vote, people who are energized by hate or people who you know, don't want their basic human rights taken away. 

I don't think it's hard to know which one is more energizing. 

 

Both of these are equally energizing to their respective groups.    .    

 

 

[Dahobbs 17042]

23 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

On the election lab thread Sushi is pretty adamant that it will take a historic democratic turnout in PA and GA to get it done, and over here plenty of people finding evidence things look great. The whiplash is jarring. 

Sushi has never been right about anything. His whole posting history is him being stupendously wrong. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13240]

If the WashPo had said 6 months ago they were not endorsing a candidate as the full editorial board, they would have taken some heat but at least it would have set the plans well in advance. 10 days before the election is weak.

like others I cancelled my washpo sub subscription as a protest. The sad part is that the news side of their house has nothing to do with the ownership/editorial side and the news side will take any job cuts due to lost subscriptions. However cancelled subscriptions is the only way that subscribers can communicate their reaction.

[immamac 41239]

Just now, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

Both of these are equally energizing to their respective groups.    .    

 

 

I don't think they are. One is concerning someone else and one is concerning yourself. Those aren't equally energizing. 

[InkaUtexas 24774]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If the WashPo had said 6 months ago they were not endorsing a candidate as the full editorial board, they would have taken some heat but at least it would have set the plans well in advance. 10 days before the election is weak.

like others I cancelled my washpo sub subscription as a protest. The sad part is that the news side of their house has nothing to do with the ownership/editorial side and the news side will take any job cuts due to lost subscriptions. However cancelled subscriptions is the only way that subscribers can communicate their reaction.

By cancelling you can kick in a few extra bucks and move up from tree fiddy club. Our TE's deserve it and thank you.

 

[SydneyCarton 47055]

9 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Sushi has never been right about anything. His whole posting history is him being stupendously wrong. 

Is he helobious? Because I’ve missed that if so. 
 

 

it’s still fucking jarring. 

[SydneyCarton 47055]

18 minutes ago, immamac said:

Sushi keeps thinking Rs vote R and that brand new never voted before voters that consist of more than 10% of the electorate and skew way young make for the same patterns as 2020 a really strange election in its own category. 

This is going to come down to who is showing up to vote, people who are energized by hate or people who you know, don't want their basic human rights taken away. 

I don't think it's hard to know which one is more energizing. 

Saying Hate doesn’t energize people is a fallacy. Hope energizes you because you’re a good person not filled with hate. If a majority of America were that way, we wouldn’t be here. But at this point in don’t think anyone can say Americans aren’t at least 50% filled to the brim with grievances. And those people lash out. And these days voting is a mechanism to lash out. 
 

I hope you’re right, but In far from certain, much less confident. 

[immamac 41239]

Voting on something that never effects you except for making you feel like you owned the libs is not as energizing as being a woman who is now being threatened and actively being shown that if you need medical care you won't get it. Doctors who can't provide care they want to are not going to stand by and not vote. 

They are not the same. Stop equating them it's nonsense. 

If it were so energizing they would have turned out in 2016 and 2020, where were they then? Waiting for the hate to become openly racist? You think the proud boys decided not to vote cuz it wasn't enough hate before? Like come the fuck on.

[SubliminalHorn 6310]

5 hours ago, Chilly Water said:

No disagreement on that here. 36 million views is a lot though, and a  3 hour podcast, if she can hold her own, could be a game changer for her. 

If she can hold her own? Former prosecutor, California AG, VP. Hold her own against Joe fucking Rogan? Holy shit that’s funny 

Edited Tuesday at 12:02 PM by SubliminalHorn

[TwiceHorn 30708]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Saying Hate doesn’t energize people is a fallacy. Hope energizes you because you’re a good person not filled with hate. If a majority of America were that way, we wouldn’t be here. But at this point in don’t think anyone can say Americans aren’t at least 50% filled to the brim with grievances. And those people lash out. And these days voting is a mechanism to lash out. 
 

I hope you’re right, but In far from certain, much less confident. 

Well, Trump's base is lost and they are reliably energized by hate, true.

According to everything we hear, they're trying to energize undecideds and low-propensity voters.  And while hate may energize some percentage of them sitting on their couches watching football, I'm thinking it may not unass them to vote.

[RomaVicta 29451]

The story is the open plenary power being excercised by Bezos over the editorial policy of the Washington Post. This place will not be run by professional journalists; it will be run by me. 

In one egotistical, megalomaniacal stroke, Bezos has diminished the credibility of one of the mainstays of American newsreporting. He's raised the poisonous notion of Fake News to a higher level.

Whomever the Post may have endorsed isn't much of a story to me. This excercise of raw power by a billionaire is bigger than an election story.

I'm guessing CNN is covering this purely as an election story and it's impact on the voters.

[Bozo_Casanova 25462]

9 hours ago, Goredho said:

Just got back from Puerto Rico a week ago.  Such an awesome island and people.  They have lots of issues with their governance and debt, but it seems to stop at corruption, nothing tyrannical.  I would move there before back to Texas.

I love PR. San Juan in particular combines all the things I love about Galveston and Miami in one place. 

8 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

LOL. Biden narrowly won TC in 2020.

Maybe one of these days he can really hit the big time and fail to even field a slate of county office candidates like Matt Mackowiak.

[SydneyCarton 47055]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

Voting on something that never effects you except for making you feel like you owned the libs is not as energizing as being a woman who is now being threatened and actively being shown that if you need medical care you won't get it. Doctors who can't provide care they want to are not going to stand by and not vote. 

They are not the same. Stop equating them it's nonsense. 

If it were so energizing they would have turned out in 2016 and 2020, where were they then? Waiting for the hate to become openly racist? You think the proud boys decided not to vote cuz it wasn't enough hate before? Like come the fuck on.

Voting on something they effects you should be more energizing, YOU HOPE. But you don’t know, because you’re not broken. 
 

also, the Hate not being energized in 2016? Did you see what happened in 2016? Trump started normalizing hate and he gained these voters. When Richard Spencer praises Tucker Carlson, and Trump says “good people on both sides” and names the Proud Boys in. A debate, he’s absolutely gaining non voting hate fueled people and getting them to vote. 
 

we rejected that knob in 2020 coming off his disaster, but unfortunately propaganda and short memories have us where we are…and for me that’s not certain, or confident. Otherwise we’d be so energized that no amount of polling would be showing anything other than an easy win, regardless of polling flaws or bias. 

[Js1 82105]

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

Polling better be wrong again or we are toast.

Def not quoting your whole post but go look at who is pumping out those polls. It’s 2022 all over again. I keep telling you, the Republican polling machine is skewing the averages to set a narrative. 

[InkaUtexas 24774]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I love PR. San Juan in particular combines all the things I love about Galveston and Miami in one place.

Neiher come close to the badassness of San Juan. Plus you can get to some beautiful areas pretty quick outside the city.

I would trade either Galveston or Miami to the NORKS to make Puerto Rico a state in a heartbeat.

[SydneyCarton 47055]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I love PR. San Juan in particular combines all the things I love about Galveston and Miami in one place. 

Maybe one of these days he can really hit the big time and fail to even field a slate of county office candidates like Matt Mackowiak.

I like Galveston fine, but I hope PR never hires your ass for their tourism board. 
 

“It’s like Galveston, but you have to fly there!” Ooof. 

[immamac 41239]

10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, Trump's base is lost and they are reliably energized by hate, true.

According to everything we hear, they're trying to energize undecideds and low-propensity voters.  And while hate may energize some percentage of them sitting on their couches watching football, I'm thinking it may not unass them to vote.

Oh and they think the ones that voted for him in 2016 and 2020 are in the bag, especially after Jan 6. Which is demonstrably and measurably false to the tune of a solid single digit % to low double digit % depending on state/location etc. 

People do not think inciting insurrection is good stuff for a presidential candidate. Hate also turns people off who aren't extreme, like in a big way. So for every hate filled couch sitter who goes and votes there is at least one defector or non voter from a category they previously thought they had in the bag. 

Its an enormous miscalculation because he's surrounded by the dumbest people. It's impossible to say he's surrounded by a more talented and brilliant team than 2016 or 2020. Did you see his legal defense post insurrection? Have you been following his big time losing on nearly all cases? It's all filled with completely stupid people wish-casting shit and using the media like a fucking puppet mouthpiece to promote disinformation. 

You think people are voting for a mother fucker who said immigrants are eating cats and dogs? What kind of regarded shit is that. I know people who were planning on wallet voting for Trump who bailed after that. It's gotten too stupid and bad for normies.