2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[LTbear 4027]

9 minutes ago, immamac said:

 

They are not the same. Stop equating them it's nonsense. 

It's only nonsense in the particular way you're trying to equate them, but you're doing so incorrectly. The true MAGATs think they're responding to something that DOES affect them - their life, their safety, their children's safety, etc. You keep missing that. 

[Dahobbs 17042]

2 minutes ago, LTbear said:

It's only nonsense in the particular way you're trying to equate them, but you're doing so incorrectly. The true MAGATs think they're responding to something that DOES affect them - their life, their safety, their children's safety, etc. You keep missing that. 

Right, but he isn't talking about MAGA. He is talking about everyone else. 

[Bozo_Casanova 25462]

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Neiher come close to the badassness of San Juan. Plus you can get to some beautiful areas pretty quick outside the city.

I would trade either Galveston or Miami to the NORKS to make Puerto Rico a state in a heartbeat.

Agreed. San Juan is on a whole other level. One of my favorite things in San Juan is locals you have known for all of 15 minutes apologizing for how bad the beaches are* and then inviting you on a chinchorreo with 3 generations of extended family. 

 

 

*they honestly believe the beaches are not great, despite the fact that they have among the best urban beaches in the world.

[Chuckie Finster 22243]

 

Not the main point here, but lol at that Angry Birds pig Matt Mackowiak being shown his ass with this.

[HenryJames 64761]

23 minutes ago, immamac said:

Voting on something that never effects you except for making you feel like you owned the libs is not as energizing as being a woman who is now being threatened and actively being shown that if you need medical care you won't get it. Doctors who can't provide care they want to are not going to stand by and not vote. 

They are not the same. Stop equating them it's nonsense. 

If it were so energizing they would have turned out in 2016 and 2020, where were they then? Waiting for the hate to become openly racist? You think the proud boys decided not to vote cuz it wasn't enough hate before? Like come the fuck on.

Also have to ignore the 2022 midterm elections, the Dobbs ruling, and any statewide abortion referendum. We just pretend that there weren't any elections since 2020.

[BamaATL 15680]

Georgia overnight data dump highlights

1.  3.058 million have cast votes

2.  Women outpace men by 358k, 55.7%

3.  2020 non voters make up 560k of the total or 18.6%

4.  2020 day of voters make up 221k or 7.2%

 

Of the 2020 non voters the 18-29 demo is 195k, whereas 50-64 is 109k and 65+ is 100k.  If there was concern about the elder non vote beating that young vote, that is rapidly fading.  

Fortress Atlanta Voting Totals

1.  Clayton County -61k or 28%

2.  Cobb County - 215k or 36%

3.  Dekalb County - 207k or 35%

4.  Fulton County - 318k or 35%

5.  Gwinnett County - 224k or 34%

[immamac 41239]

Just now, HenryJames said:

Also have to ignore the 2022 midterm elections, the Dobbs ruling, and any statewide abortion referendum. We just pretend that there weren't any elections since 2020.

Correct. Just live in a complete fantasy world where we are surrounded by Nazis who talk shit about Puerto Rico and then they vote for him harder. 

[Bateshorn 9410]

I’m going to keep hammering this with credit to Huckleberry:

we don’t know shit about fuck, when it comes to EVs and mail returns.  And we won’t know shit about fuck until they start counting. 
 

Independent voters make up a 1/3 of the electorate and you can’t reasonably predict how they are going to vote. Just like a few points in either direction among your party faithful can have a huge impact in the final total. 
 

Each election year, beyond an outlier like 1956, 1984, 1996, is a unique snowflake and you can’t really digest all that much at a meta level from it. Vote, knock doors, cope however you need to.

 

 

[SimonBolivar 10645]

22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Def not quoting your whole post but go look at who is pumping out those polls. It’s 2022 all over again. I keep telling you, the Republican polling machine is skewing the averages to set a narrative. 

Even removing the obviously skewed R polls aren't showing a great trend except in MI.

 

btw, How pissed are you going to be when Kamala wins and the MSM says she was going to lose until the PR comments?

Edited Tuesday at 12:29 PM by SimonBolivar

[achooloco 961]

7 hours ago, Anastasis said:

 

 

Reading all yalls twitter feeds is awesome. Really compelling message board content. 

This is perplexing. Help me out. So you’re not upset with an attack that indiscriminately attacked hundreds of civilians, or the comment that an American should be possibly killed for supporting innocent civilians of another country, but at the fact when the speaker is fired we shouldn’t draw attention to it?

Did you want more compelling board commentary with the links/posts? Cause that would be an odd request since the first thing you did was simply whine like a snowflake that you even saw the news of his termination. Great chime in there, good stuff 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13240]

The increasing loudness of some Wall Street leaders saying that Trump will win tells me that they’re unsure that Harris is slightly leading.

If they truly thought the race was over, they would just sit back and do whatever behind the scenes that would make them and their client the most money. Instead they’re trying to move the needle ever so much by telling everyone the race is over.

[BamaATL 15680]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The increasing loudness of some Wall Street leaders saying that Trump will win tells me that they’re unsure that Harris is slightly leading.

If they truly thought the race was over, they would just sit back and do whatever behind the scenes that would make them and their client the most money. Instead they’re trying to move the needle ever so much by telling everyone the race is over.

Individual brokers on the Street consistently get teabagged by computerized index funds.  They know jack and shit, and jack just left town.  

[Constant 6524]

I’m confident we are united in purpose, and there’s no need to prove your vote to me or anyone else. But I hope every strong voice on this message board is also out voting, putting words into action. It’s not enough to just vent here. This board has members from all over the country, and every single vote matters in sending a message that rejects fascism in America.

[Bateshorn 9410]

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The increasing loudness of some Wall Street leaders saying that Trump will win tells me that they’re unsure that Harris is slightly leading.

If they truly thought the race was over, they would just sit back and do whatever behind the scenes that would make them and their client the most money. Instead they’re trying to move the needle ever so much by telling everyone the race is over.

I think it’s a reflection that the election is close. Across the board tariffs and mass deportations are going to induce Argentina style inflation, and you are seeing a Trump trade developing as a hedge.  That’s just smart business sense. If he loses, it’s just a transaction fee loss. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19176]

41 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I like Galveston fine, but I hope PR never hires your ass for their tourism board. 
 

“It’s like Galveston, but you have to fly there!” Ooof. 

"Our mosquitos speak Spanish!"

[locodos 5078]

So I got trolled IRL by a Maga granny.   I made the unforgivable mistake of food shopping at a Walmart grocery store.

 

CSB: As I was walking up the eggs I noticed an older lady (assume late 60s) opening egg containers and looking through them for broken eggs.  Then she would put the container back and go to another brand and she seemed to be seriously pondering the eggs.  I watched for 30 seconds or so because she and her cart kinda blocked the eggs I wanted to get.   Once she moved aside and I slipped in and grabbed a carton of eggs.  While I was checking them for damage she walks up behind me and in a playful conspiratorial tone says "$6 dollars for eggs can you even imagine?"  Then she hit me with the Joe Biden did this, then corrected herself to say it was Kamala!  Foolishly I thought to myself that she really didn't know about global inflation and how the US actually had lower rates of inflation than other modern nations post covid.   As soon as I mentioned it and that Biden had done a magnificent job in managing a soft recovery she started in with the Maga talking points.    I told her I would never vote for a felon, a rapist, and a racist and walked away.   She followed me halfway across the store spouting Trump bullshit, he was framed, the libs!, only Trump can save us....  Finally I turned around and said loudly enough that several people nearby turned to see what was happening "34 felonies and counting! he's a damned rapist for god sakes"   She just smirked and said TDS and headed back to the eggs to wait for the next person to hassle. /CSB

Not energized, huh?  

 

[Clintonaldo 2288]

Remember all of the peacocking about the Red Wave and they got skulkfucked that night ? Let’s hope this is it again. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:52 PM by Clintonaldo

[HenryJames 64761]

2 minutes ago, locodos said:

"$6 dollars for eggs can you even imagine?"

Was she buying a 24 count?

[Gatorubet 29363]

48 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Def not quoting your whole post but go look at who is pumping out those polls. It’s 2022 all over again. I keep telling you, the Republican polling machine is skewing the averages to set a narrative. 

not only to set a narrative, meaning the challenge of the election after the loss, but also to convince the chuckleheads that they have to bother to show up at the polls. If they read they are five points down the “I only vote for a winner. “ phenomena sets in .

[Pam Cummings 9404]

3 minutes ago, locodos said:

So I got trolled IRL by a Maga granny.   I made the unforgivable mistake of food shopping at a Walmart grocery store.

 

CSB: As I was walking up the eggs I noticed an older lady (assume late 60s) opening egg containers and looking through them for broken eggs.  Then she would put the container back and go to another brand and she seemed to be seriously pondering the eggs.  I watched for 30 seconds or so because she and her cart kinda blocked the eggs I wanted to get.   Once she moved aside and I slipped in and grabbed a carton of eggs.  While I was checking them for damage she walks up behind me and in a playful conspiratorial tone says "$6 dollars for eggs can you even imagine?"  Then she hit me with the Joe Biden did this, then corrected herself to say it was Kamala!  Foolishly I thought to myself that she really didn't know about global inflation and how the US actually had lower rates of inflation than other modern nations post covid.   As soon as I mentioned it and that Biden had done a magnificent job in managing a soft recovery she started in with the Maga talking points.    I told her I would never vote for a felon, a rapist, and a racist and walked away.   She followed me halfway across the store spouting Trump bullshit, he was framed, the libs!, only Trump can save us....  Finally I turned around and said loudly enough that several people nearby turned to see what was happening "34 felonies and counting! he's a damned rapist for god sakes"   She just smirked and said TDS and headed back to the eggs to wait for the next person to hassle. /CSB

Not energized, huh?  

 

Here's the thing about the people complaining about grocery prices: they're morons. They complain about the cost of things, but you can't help but notice they all drive a new car, they all have the newest phone, they all have the newest TV. They spend globs of money on unnecessary shit they don't need then have the gall to complain about how much shit costs.

 

For them, it's never about cutting their own costs. It's everyone else's fault that they can't seem to save any money.

[Valmy77 12490]

4 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

Remember all of the peacocking about the Red Wave and they got skulkfucked that night ? Let’s hope this is it again. 

Oh I remember. Well we did better than we thought we would anyway. 

Here is hoping.

[Gatorubet 29363]

25 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The increasing loudness of some Wall Street leaders saying that Trump will win tells me that they’re unsure that Harris is slightly leading.

If they truly thought the race was over, they would just sit back and do whatever behind the scenes that would make them and their client the most money. Instead they’re trying to move the needle ever so much by telling everyone the race is over.

if she was five points up, they would still be saying the bullshit they are saying because they want Trump to win because of taxes. It means nothing about the outcome.

[Js1 82103]

6 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Was she buying a 24 count?

Uh yeah, I paid like $2.50 yesterday for a dozen 

[BamaATL 15680]

9 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

Remember all of the peacocking about the Red Wave and they got skulkfucked that night ? Let’s hope this is it again. 

It's not a matter a hoping, it's happening.  

[jimmyjazz 45017]

56 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Neiher come close to the badassness of San Juan.

Or the rain forest.  Absolutely stunning.

[BamaATL 15680]

5 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Here's the thing about the people complaining about grocery prices: they're morons. They complain about the cost of things, but you can't help but notice they all drive a new car, they all have the newest phone, they all have the newest TV. They spend globs of money on unnecessary shit they don't need then have the gall to complain about how much shit costs.

 

For them, it's never about cutting their own costs. It's everyone else's fault that they can't seem to save any money.

Republicans that take no personal responsibility, why I never.....

[Brisketexan 103007]

53 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Maybe one of these days he can really hit the big time and fail to even field a slate of county office candidates like Matt Mackowiak.

That reminds me, and I meant to tell you -- hadn't seen that fucker in a long-ass time.  Saw him at a memorial on Friday.  Made eye contact.  He got a head-nod from a distance, then I turned the fuck away and never said a word to that treasonous grifting shitbag.

49 minutes ago, immamac said:

Its an enormous miscalculation because he's surrounded by the dumbest people. It's impossible to say he's surrounded by a more talented and brilliant team than 2016 or 2020. Did you see his legal defense post insurrection? Have you been following his big time losing on nearly all cases? It's all filled with completely stupid people wish-casting shit and using the media like a fucking puppet mouthpiece to promote disinformation. 

You think people are voting for a mother fucker who said immigrants are eating cats and dogs? What kind of regarded shit is that. I know people who were planning on wallet voting for Trump who bailed after that. It's gotten too stupid and bad for normies. 

Again.....read your history books.  Realize how absolutely fucking dumb the nazi leadership was.  They were a parade of losers, rejects, and failures.  They were the worst of the worst.  You wouldn't have put them in charge of keeping people's iced tea glasses filled, and they not only took over a country, they embarked on a voyage of cruel idiocy that killed tens of millions.  Stupid people can get shit done.  Because "stupid people" is the largest constituency in politics, and stupid, evil leaders can nab the "stupid people" vote.

17 minutes ago, Constant said:

I’m confident we are united in purpose, and there’s no need to prove your vote to me or anyone else. But I hope every strong voice on this message board is also out voting, putting words into action. It’s not enough to just vent here. This board has members from all over the country, and every single vote matters in sending a message that rejects fascism in America.

For you, that task starts at home.  There is no deeper group of hateful fascists, with zero regard for the rule of law, and total contempt of the people, than your fellow members of law enforcement.  American cops are full-on fascist, and 99% Trumpy.  When Trump wins, they will gleefully be his weapon against the rest of us.  You ready to do something about that?  You ready to stand in the breach and stop them?  I doubt it.

[Gatorubet 29363]

8 hours ago, Anastasis said:

 

Jesus. Imagine being so clueless that you don't know your partners political beliefs. 

imagine being so clueless you think that women never tell their husbands something different than what they want to hear.   

[locodos 5078]

15 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Was she buying a 24 count?

She wasn't buying any eggs, just pretending and waiting for people who were buying eggs.  I was buying Organic Freerange blah blah blah... I'm willing to spend a little cash not to torture some birds.   They're $5.99 a dozen.  There are MANY cheaper options for the maga brokies.

Edited Tuesday at 01:11 PM by locodos

[jimmyjazz 45017]

Broad brush calculations regarding Americans of Puerto Rican descent:  we are told there are 500K living in Pennsylvania.  Let's assume 75% of them (375K) are of voting age.  Let's assume 60% of them (225K) were already going to vote, a similar proportion to the national numbers in 2020.

That leaves 150K pissed off people who might now be energized to vote in the swingiest swing state of all.  Now, surely all are not registered to vote, but Biden's margin was 80K in 2020, so it's probably significant, regardless.

[Aqua Buddha 13880]

19 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

Remember all of the peacocking about the Red Wave and they got skulkfucked that night ? Let’s hope this is it again. 

The same people are doing and saying the same thing this time.  It's almost an exact copy.

[Valmy77 12490]

2 minutes ago, locodos said:

She wasn't buying any eggs, just pretending and waiting for people who were buying eggs.  I was buying Organic Freerange blah blah blah... I'm willing to spend a little cash not to torture some birds.   They're $5.99 a dozen.  There are MANY cheaper options for the maga brokies.

So she was harassing people in the store and she said you were the deranged one? Huh.

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Broad brush calculations regarding Americans of Puerto Rican descent:  we are told there are 500K living in Pennsylvania.  Let's assume 75% of them (375K) are of voting age.  Let's assume 60% of them (225K) were already going to vote, a similar proportion to the national numbers in 2020.

That leaves 150K pissed off people who might now be energized to vote in the swingiest swing state of all.  Now, surely all are not registered to vote, but Biden's margin was 80K in 2020, so it's probably significant, regardless.

Yeah. I just hope it isn't too late. And they do actually get energized enough to vote

[Bateshorn 9410]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Uh yeah, I paid like $2.50 yesterday for a dozen 

Man, some of the people on this thread eat those gross non pasture raised eggs.

[Aqua Buddha 13880]

50 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Georgia overnight data dump highlights

1.  3.058 million have cast votes

2.  Women outpace men by 358k, 55.7%

3.  2020 non voters make up 560k of the total or 18.6%

4.  2020 day of voters make up 221k or 7.2%

 

Of the 2020 non voters the 18-29 demo is 195k, whereas 50-64 is 109k and 65+ is 100k.  If there was concern about the elder non vote beating that young vote, that is rapidly fading.  

Fortress Atlanta Voting Totals

1.  Clayton County -61k or 28%

2.  Cobb County - 215k or 36%

3.  Dekalb County - 207k or 35%

4.  Fulton County - 318k or 35%

5.  Gwinnett County - 224k or 34%

It may be anecdotal evidence but in my experience urban/suburban types might early vote but they generally wait until the last few days.  We're busy people and forget and then realize it's only a few more days.  I have no data to back that up but I'm curious if that's true on a large scale.

[Rex Kramer 1087]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

I agree. I would go meet  @Rex Kramer for a beer. Don't think I would do that with CNN's leadership. Plus they probably drink some shitty craft beer.

The conversation with Rex would probably be fun and entertaining. Don't think we would convince each other to change our views, but at least we would know where each stands and tip our hats at the end.

Since Amanpour set up her camera of death in Sarajevo to when they staged Bourdain's walk around Gaza CNN has sucked soon nuts.

Where exactly do you think our views differ?  

[Captainant 26853]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

You think people are voting for a mother fucker who said immigrants are eating cats and dogs? What kind of regarded shit is that. I know people who were planning on wallet voting for Trump who bailed after that. It's gotten too stupid and bad for normies. 

If they were already planning on voting for trump after Jan6, they're fucking fascists. Not """normies""". Overlooking extremely negative social costs in favor of goosing your corporate profits with the hopes of state favors is literally the MO of 1930s Germany and how they ended up with goddamn fucking Nazis. 

They're only just now backing off their vote because they don't see it as a winner anymore, they don't give a shit about the racism. They certainly fucking didn't before. 

[SydneyCarton 47055]

49 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Also have to ignore the 2022 midterm elections, the Dobbs ruling, and any statewide abortion referendum. We just pretend that there weren't any elections since 2020.

Listen, I love all those data points, but lets not pretend midterm elections, or any election, are the same as presidential elections. We all know it and act accordingly, and pretending like that fucking pussbang isn't on the ticket dragging more of his low IQ dipshits to vote in this election is absurd. 

48 minutes ago, immamac said:

Correct. Just live in a complete fantasy world where we are surrounded by Nazis who talk shit about Puerto Rico and then they vote for him harder. 

I choose believe you don't actually think I live in a complete fantasy world. But I do believe you  know enough about where the media and social media have driven a stake throgh reality for many people means that, if not fantasy, at the very least there are mulitple realities that people choose to subscribe to at this point in time. Trump has been talking shit about people for 8 years now, and for some of those people he's increased their vote share (looking at you, latin men). And yet his popularity never seems to drop below a certain threshold. People don't believe he's a nazi. People you and I both know, don't view January 6th as something other than a few stupid hillbillies doing stupid hillbilly things, and it's not representative of Trump or the Republican party at all. So I've got to tell you, I agree with one thing you said, and it's definetly that people live in a fucking fantasyland. 

I don't personally think that's me, but shit, at this point anything is possible. 

[South Austin 51312]

5 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Man, some of the people on this thread eat those gross non pasture raised eggs.

[immamac 41239]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

If they were already planning on voting for trump after Jan6, they're fucking fascists. Not """normies""". Overlooking extremely negative social costs in favor of goosing your corporate profits with the hopes of state favors is literally the MO of 1930s Germany and how they ended up with goddamn fucking Nazis. 

They're only just now backing off their vote because they don't see it as a winner anymore, they don't give a shit about the racism. They certainly fucking didn't before. 

They wouldn't disagree with you, because they were voting in their perceived financial best interest. You are exactly correct they saw a loser who on the biggest stage stepped all over his dick and lost his mind. We are saying the same thing, but instead of calling them fascists because they want fascism they were more the its not gonna negatively impact me and I'll be richer/have more money. I'm not saying it was right or tolerable or that is was accepting of their position. I just didn't come in hot calling them a fascist racist piece of shit I had a normal conversation with them and they eventually came around and saw the reality. 

[bluto 4797]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

On the election lab thread Sushi is pretty adamant that it will take a historic democratic turnout in PA and GA to get it done, and over here plenty of people finding evidence things look great. The whiplash is jarring. 

Sushi is still waiting on the full market collapse and depression of 2009 as well

[SydneyCarton 47055]

7 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Man, some of the people on this thread eat those gross non pasture raised eggs.

I mean, I'm sure I can't tell when I eat them at restuarants, but yeah, I eat the pasture raised organic eggs, or regular organic at HEB for $4.50 a dozen. That extra buck fifty in either direction really doesn't show up on my monthly budget much, so I admit to being perplexed by the outrage. Of course, I'm not raising a family of three teenage boys or anyhthing like that, so who knows. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 18269]

NSIAP

 

1:15 is Chef's Kiss!

[immamac 41239]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

Listen, I love all those data points, but lets not pretend midterm elections, or any election, are the same as presidential elections. We all know it and act accordingly, and pretending like that fucking pussbang isn't on the ticket dragging more of his low IQ dipshits to vote in this election is absurd. 

I choose believe you don't actually think I live in a complete fantasy world. But I do believe you  know enough about where the media and social media have driven a stake throgh reality for many people means that, if not fantasy, at the very least there are mulitple realities that people choose to subscribe to at this point in time. Trump has been talking shit about people for 8 years now, and for some of those people he's increased their vote share (looking at you, latin men). And yet his popularity never seems to drop below a certain threshold. People don't believe he's a nazi. People you and I both know, don't view January 6th as something other than a few stupid hillbillies doing stupid hillbilly things, and it's not representative of Trump or the Republican party at all. So I've got to tell you, I agree with one thing you said, and it's definetly that people live in a fucking fantasyland. 

I don't personally think that's me, but shit, at this point anything is possible. 

A Venn diagram of the sufferers of ostrich effect and normies/politically under informed voters is god damned near a circle. 

When you yank an ostrich out of its head hole and make normies decide if they want to be a piece of shit or not they actually do react, and mostly unfavorably. 

https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/ostrich-effect

[SydneyCarton 47055]

1 minute ago, bluto said:

Sushi is still waiting on the full market collapse and depression of 2009 as well

How does he feel about Crypto? Should we get him in a thread with Bernorange?

[Captainant 26853]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

We are saying the same thing, but instead of calling them fascists because they want fascism they were more the its not gonna negatively impact me and I'll be richer/have more money. I'm not saying it was right or tolerable or that is was accepting of their position. I just didn't come in hot calling them a fascist racist piece of shit I had a normal conversation with them and they eventually came around and saw the reality. 

I guess I just don't believe in using kid gloves when people are planning for vote for a goddamn fucking criminally fraudulent fascist rapist. Hell one of my neighbors has a big ass trump/Vance sign in their yard and I am perfectly friendly with them, even let them come say hi to my baby that I was walking around the neighborhood. But I just don't talk politics with trumpers, and if they insist on pressing the subject, I'll share my honest opinion with them and not use kid gloves to protect their feefees. 

1 minute ago, immamac said:

When you yank an ostrich out of its head hole and make normies decide if they want to be a piece of shit or not they actually do react, and mostly unfavorably. 

Again, if they were still planning on voting for trump, they weren't """normies""". They were planning on voting for fascism. That's not fucking normal. 

And yes, we know those ostriches generally choose to be a piece of shit when confronted with reality, we have in fact read the Daily Texan board. 

[Firemans4Horn 16815]

5 minutes ago, bluto said:

Sushi is still waiting on the full market collapse and depression of 2009 as well

 

[BamaATL 15680]

5 minutes ago, bluto said:

Sushi is still waiting on the full market collapse and depression of 2009 as well

He also keep insisting, without evidence, that voter growth is from rural places.  I posted rebuttal data and it's source, no response.  

[jimmyjazz 45017]

Has Sushi been posting on surly all along?  I honestly hadn't thought of him in maybe 10 years.

[SydneyCarton 47055]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

A Venn diagram of the sufferers of ostrich effect and normies/politically under informed voters is god damned near a circle. 

When you yank an ostrich out of its head hole and make normies decide if they want to be a piece of shit or not they actually do react, and mostly unfavorably. 

https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/ostrich-effect

I mean, define unfavorably in this context? If you mean they double down because they can't take the ego hit and being wrong and the negative feedback, sure. If you mean they snap out of their reverie, well, we have mountains of evidence that is not really the case. The backfire effect, purports that cognitive dissonance and denial literally are hardwired into our brains. Again, if these people had seen the light, wouldn't the chasm in polling  be wide enough that no amount of herding could hide it?

[immamac 41239]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

I guess I just don't believe in using kid gloves when people are planning for vote for a goddamn fucking criminally fraudulent fascist rapist. Hell one of my neighbors has a big ass trump/Vance sign in their yard and I am perfectly friendly with them, even let them come say hi to my baby that I was walking around the neighborhood. But I just don't talk politics with trumpers, and if they insist on pressing the subject, I'll share my honest opinion with them and not use kid gloves to protect their feefees. 

Again, if they were still planning on voting for trump, they weren't """normies""". They were planning on voting for fascism. That's not fucking normal. 

And yes, we know those ostriches generally choose to be a piece of shit when confronted with reality, we have in fact read the Daily Texan board. 

I don't kid gloves anyone. I challenge and assert arguments that aren't " he's a fascist and your a fascist if you support him" because that isn't a constructive conversation. I also don't avoid talking politics with anyone, under any circumstance and I don't associate with any maga actual fascists. 

Being misguided and not sold on the idea that Trump is actually a fascist is not an unreasonable position for a supremely uninformed ostrich effect sufferer. 

Being a complete piece of shit maga supporter because you hate the brown people and want trans people to suffer and women to be sex slaves is pretty irredeemable.