2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[LTbear 4,027]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Right, but he isn't talking about MAGA. He is talking about everyone else. 

Same could be said for plenty of people who don't identify as MAGA but who are nonetheless dumb/ disengaged/ susceptible to the fear and hate based messaging.

[immamac 41,239]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, define unfavorably in this context? If you mean they double down because they can't take the ego hit and being wrong and the negative feedback, sure. If you mean they snap out of their reverie, well, we have mountains of evidence that is not really the case. The backfire effect, purports that cognitive dissonance and denial literally are hardwired into our brains. Again, if these people had seen the light, wouldn't the chasm in polling  be wide enough that no amount of herding could hide it?

...it is that's why the crosstabs are all completely fucked. 

[Hank Kingsley 19,779]

A week before the election in a swing state. This, apparently, is what winning looks like in America now. 

 

[SydneyCarton 47,055]

3 minutes ago, immamac said:

...it is that's why the crosstabs are all completely fucked. 

There have been plenty of polls that have had good looking crosstabs. My point is, if it was as overwhelming as YOUR GUT says it is, or at least it should be, there are no cross tab that could hide a huge gulf between reality and what the polls currently showing short of "We conducted this national poll by surveying 1,000 people in Montgomery, TX." That's the kind of nonsese it would take. Otherwise damn near every resppectable poll would have Harris up pretty comfortably. But they're not.

Saying "These crosstabs" are fucked at this point isn't that much different than the people who say "Trump is winning in every poll."  The reality is going to have to be born out, and we KNOW you think Harris is going to blow shit out, and maybe flip Florida, but I think it's concerning that Harris's people, at best, are cautiously optimimistic and think it's going to be close AF based on their own internals.

Which brings me back to my initial thoughts; The whiplash between information is jarring, and a ton of fucking people do live in a reality of their own construction, and seem perfectly happy to strap their heads into their ostrich holes using concrete, steel rebar, and fucking adamantium.  

[ohchaucer 1,443]

Man, some of the people on this thread eat those gross non pasture raised eggs.

[Firemans4Horn 16,815]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

A week before the election in a swing state. This, apparently, is what winning looks like in America now. 

 

 

[Brisketexan 103,007]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

A week before the election in a swing state. This, apparently, is what winning looks like in America now. 

 

We said it when Trump was pumping up his rally size and enthusiasm (remember, he had some decent sized rallies with pumped up crowds back in the day): it don't make a shit one way or the other.

Rallies are a gauge of the enthusiasm of a relatively small group: the true believers.

I don't care if Trump or Kamala have 20,000 people who love them with every fiber of their being and would crawl across broken glass to see them.  20,000 slavishly devoted votes count exactly the same as 20,000 "sure, why the hell not" votes.  I draw no inferences from the crowd size/enthusiasm other than the rabid devotees appear to be a larger group for Kamala these days.  But as to how that translates to total votes?  We'll see.

[BurntOrange&White 38,679]

21 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

NSIAP

 

1:15 is Chef's Kiss!

My favorite is when people blast Fortunate son at patriotic events.

[Baboontyme 2,665]

My attempt at early in person voting was a bust. Had to be 300 people in line. 4th day of early in person availability, 30 minutes after polls opened. I had an appointment across town at 10 and I don't think I'll have another opportunity to go this week. I'll be slumming it with everyone else next Tuesday. Location - bright blue Troy, MI. 

[The Dog 42,652]

[cmontexas 3,200]

51 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Here's the thing about the people complaining about grocery prices: they're morons. They complain about the cost of things, but you can't help but notice they all drive a new car, they all have the newest phone, they all have the newest TV. They spend globs of money on unnecessary shit they don't need then have the gall to complain about how much shit costs.

 

For them, it's never about cutting their own costs. It's everyone else's fault that they can't seem to save any money.

[Aqua Buddha 13,880]

26 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

NSIAP

 

1:15 is Chef's Kiss!

The whole segment was awesome but the song brought it.  We watched it three different times to pick stuff out.  I think he waits a few days before putting stuff on Youtube.  I couldn't find the whole segment.  I did not know there was a Canadian version.

[Captainant 26,853]

9 minutes ago, immamac said:

Being misguided and not sold on the idea that Trump is actually a fascist is not an unreasonable position for a supremely uninformed ostrich effect sufferer. 

IMO, that's willful ignorance at this point. They're choosing to drink poison and believe that trump isn't so bad. That's not a position that they were reasoned into, and it won't be a position they can be reasoned out of. 

 

13 minutes ago, immamac said:

Being a complete piece of shit maga supporter because you hate the brown people and want trans people to suffer and women to be sex slaves is pretty irredeemable. 

In my experience, the first group you mention often has more overlap with the second group you mention that you'd expect. You double click enough and dive into their """economic anxiety"""/"wallet voting" you'll find plenty of hate simmering beneath. 

 

Hitler's big pitch to gain office in the 1930s wasn't "let's gas all the Jews", it was "vote for me and I'll fix the economy and increase profits, while making our society into a new great version of past glory". People voting with their wallet and nothing else are useful idiots that take measures to remain uninformed and maintain their plausible deniability of their own deep hatred. Or, they love money more than they hate fascism.

The next time theres someone who isn't losing, they'll happily vote for fascism again. 

[SydneyCarton 47,055]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My favorite is when people blast Fortunate son at patriotic events.

Or Born in the USA. 

[SydneyCarton 47,055]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

IMO, that's willful ignorance at this point. They're choosing to drink poison and believe that trump isn't so bad. That's not a position that they were reasoned into, and it won't be a position they can be reasoned out of. 

 

Well, it sure as hell won't be a position they're mocked out of, either.

 

 

[Hank Kingsley 19,779]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We said it when Trump was pumping up his rally size and enthusiasm (remember, he had some decent sized rallies with pumped up crowds back in the day): it don't make a shit one way or the other.

Rallies are a gauge of the enthusiasm of a relatively small group: the true believers.

I don't care if Trump or Kamala have 20,000 people who love them with every fiber of their being and would crawl across broken glass to see them.  20,000 slavishly devoted votes count exactly the same as 20,000 "sure, why the hell not" votes.  I draw no inferences from the crowd size/enthusiasm other than the rabid devotees appear to be a larger group for Kamala these days.  But as to how that translates to total votes?  We'll see.

I agree. We don't know what's gonna happen yet, but it sure is depressing that "the most important election of our lifetime" could be won by a candidate that has exhausted even his own supporters at this point. 

 

[Captainant 26,853]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Well, it sure as hell won't be a position they're mocked out of, either.

Who's mocking them? Useful idiot is a term of art that I think is pretty apropos in this case

[SydneyCarton 47,055]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Who's mocking them? Useful idiot is a term of art that I think is pretty apropos in this case

I mean, you made it sound like when you encounter them in the wild and politics come up, you go straight for the throat. I assume that incldues mockery

[immamac 41,239]

Cool cool so I hang out with fascists and they are overwhelmingly and rabidly engaged because hate trumps love and no one actually cares about their basic human rights being taken away. 

Good conversation. Much appreciated, I wonder why people don't like engaging with you. Your position is terrible and it's not everyone's perogative to be a fully engaged voter. A lot of people don't realize how bad trump is because they spend almost no time thinking about it or what it means to them. They are busy doing other shit and thinking about what's around them. 

The most these people think about politics is when I bring it up. These aren't people who follow the news, these are people who watch sportscenter, mute political ads and try to figure out the latest scoop on their fantasy roster. Stop equating people like that to fascists, they are just uninformed and intentionally avoid it. It's my job as a friend to talk about shit they may not wanna talk about, it's not to berate them and call them a fascist who wants to deport all the brown people. Pull your head out of your ass. 

[Kyrie Eleison 9,202]

in 8 days we’re all going to be very thankful for the 19th Amendment.  

['stache 21,482]

I feel like there are two separate conversations happening both of which are correct. Yes hate and nonsense motivates a lot of people in this country, but I think it’s correct to say that he’s topped out with that demographic and isn’t gaining new voters or persuading anyone to switch by going even more hateful and racist. If anything a few people who check in at the last second will see this nonsense and say fuck that guy. I just don’t see how it’ll even be close. If he wins I might seriously ex pat.

Edited Tuesday at 02:07 PM by 'stache

[South Austin 51,312]

21 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My favorite is when people blast Fortunate son at patriotic events.

Or when the Reagan campaign played "Born in the U.S.A." and when the Bush campaign played "Pink Houses."  Such small-minded thinking like, "Hey, the songs say 'Born in the U.S.A.' and "Ain't that America,' and we're the party of America, so those songs are all about the Republican Party!"

[LTbear 4,027]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

If he wins I might seriously ex pat.

Alberta is a couple hundred miles from me and looking promising. 

[Bateshorn 9,410]

20 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

I’m convinced people in 100 years will look back on @dril as one of the greatest artists of our generation. 

[The Dog 42,652]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

A lot of people don't realize how bad trump is because they spend almost no time thinking about it or what it means to them. They are busy doing other shit and thinking about what's around them. 

This. 

I'd also add that whatever information they consume is whitewashed/sanitized - even in the more mainstream outlets. 

[Sawbonz 26,719]

58 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

she was harassing people in the store and she said you were the deranged one

To be fair he was buying organic free range eggs 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,240]

DJT stock is up over 3x in a month. Trading was temp halted this morning because the price rally was too high.

if Trump wins, I suppose DJT could go up another 50%. But if he loses, it may drop 95% Wednesday. I like to make money but I wouldn’t touch this.

Edited Tuesday at 02:20 PM by Nice Guy Eddie

[SimonBolivar 10,645]

4 minutes ago, LTbear said:

Alberta is a couple hundred miles from me and looking promising. 

They're going to be a couple years behind us, so I'd rent instead of buying.

Edited Tuesday at 02:14 PM by SimonBolivar

[Bateshorn 9,410]

4 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

They're going to be a couple years behind us, so I'd rent instead of buying.

Also it’s almost fucking impossible to gain residency in Canada. 
 

We can all hang out at the Taco stand wherever we end up in Mexico. First round of Bohemia is on me.

Edited Tuesday at 02:18 PM by Bateshorn

[CooterBrown 17,686]

7 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Also it’s almost fucking impossible to gain residency in Canada. 

If somehow that fat fuck gets the presidency, my kid will go to college in Canada.  Foreigners graduating from a Canadian university get an automatic work permit and expedited citizenship process if they want it.  They can then sponsor their parents to move to Canada. It's about the only way to move there if you're over 45.  Not that I've researched it or anything.

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:25 PM by CooterBrown

[SimonBolivar 10,645]

2 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Also it’s almost fucking impossible to gain residency in Canada. 
 

We can all hang out at the Taco stand wherever we end up in Mexico. First round of Bohemia is on me.

Obscura or Pilsner? There is a right answer.

[Bateshorn 9,410]

Just now, SimonBolivar said:

Obscura or Pilsner? There is a right answer.

Pilsner. Obviously.

[Dahobbs 17,042]

19 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Or when the Reagan campaign played "Born in the U.S.A." and when the Bush campaign played "Pink Houses."  Such small-minded thinking like, "Hey, the songs say 'Born in the U.S.A.' and "Ain't that America,' and we're the party of America, so those songs are all about the Republican Party!"

Technically, they are. 

[DigglerontheHoof 20,413]

Just now, Dahobbs said:

Technically, they are. 

[atomheartbevo 88,724]

9 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

You may not know the answer, but why are they just realizing this NOW?  Are they really THAT checked out that they didn't realize he and his party are completely batshit racist and against their existence?  Serious question.  Even if you "don't pay attention to politics", I find it insane that you wouldn't know these people are actively against you.

You’d be surprised how many people truly check out on politics until the 2-4 months before an election when they can’t avoid it because of advertising, social media, and mainstream news coverage.  There’s also a shitload of people who got invested in 2020 and then checked out, thinking Trump was finished.

In our friends’ case, they’ve got three kids under the age of 12, including a toddler, their weekends are devoted to soccer, baseball, scouts, and church. They don’t sit around on message board.

[SimonBolivar 10,645]

Just now, Bateshorn said:

Pilsner. Obviously.

I'm out, well no I'm not but I want a damn Obscura after the Pilsner. 

[Captainant 26,853]

39 minutes ago, immamac said:

Cool cool so I hang out with fascists and they are overwhelmingly and rabidly engaged because hate trumps love and no one actually cares about their basic human rights being taken away. 

Good conversation. Much appreciated, I wonder why people don't like engaging with you. Your position is terrible and it's not everyone's perogative to be a fully engaged voter. A lot of people don't realize how bad trump is because they spend almost no time thinking about it or what it means to them. They are busy doing other shit and thinking about what's around them. 

I'm sorry I've read history books and am pointing out the striking parallels between our current path and past successful fascist takeovers of democratic governments? We still haven't even prosecuted trump's insurrection - we have an even weaker and slower response than the fucking Germans did to the beer hall putsch.

Also from my view today as a Texan, hate absolutely trumps love in our state and nobody is doing a goddamn thing about basic human rights being taken away. The beatings will continue until morale improves. 

39 minutes ago, immamac said:

The most these people think about politics is when I bring it up. These aren't people who follow the news, these are people who watch sportscenter, mute political ads and try to figure out the latest scoop on their fantasy roster. Stop equating people like that to fascists, they are just uninformed and intentionally avoid it. It's my job as a friend to talk about shit they may not wanna talk about, it's not to berate them and call them a fascist who wants to deport all the brown people. Pull your head out of your ass. 

If they're thinking about voting for trump, it's "having my head up my ass" to call out a literal part of his campaign platform? If they're so willfully and intentionally uninformed they're about to vote for someone who wants to have mass deportations so that they can realize economic gains, that's pretty goddamn similar to the Germans of 1932-45 who didn't realize HItler was bad because they spent no time thinking about it because things were nice for them personally.

Now, I'm not saying your friends are Nazis and I'm sorry for drawing parallels between their current behavior and what the people who brought Hitler to power did at the time.

41 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, you made it sound like when you encounter them in the wild and politics come up, you go straight for the throat. I assume that incldues mockery

I didn't mean to give that impression, but mainly that if they try to sell me on voting for trump I'll just ask something like "why are you voting for a 34x convicted criminally fraudulent rapist"? And then we'll see where things go

Edited Tuesday at 02:39 PM by Captainant

[Bozo_Casanova 25,462]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I like Galveston fine, but I hope PR never hires your ass for their tourism board. 
 

“It’s like Galveston, but you have to fly there!” Ooof. 

One afternoon when I was a kid we were parked on Seawall, me and my Dad, sitting on the hood of his Plymouth. He opened a can of beer, handed it to me so I could take a sip, and inhaled that Galveston-only mix of salt and kerosene and seaweed and cheap perfume and cigarette smoke said "this is it, son." And it was.  
Galveston was and still isTexas profonde in a way that very few places are anymore.

3 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

in 8 days we’re all going to be very thankful for the 19th Amendment.  

Inshallah! 

[Bateshorn 9,410]

3 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

I'm out, well no I'm not but I want a damn Obscura after the Pilsner. 

You can drink whatever you want, brother.  I’m not gonna judge. It’s all about the friends we make along the way.

Edited Tuesday at 02:32 PM by Bateshorn

[SimonBolivar 10,645]

Just now, Bateshorn said:

You can drink whatever you want, brother.  I’m not gonna judge. It’s all about the friends and e make along the way.

and Trompo, friends and Trompo.

[Bateshorn 9,410]

Do you guys spin up Immamac just for the sport of it?

[yoladu 4,040]

30 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

in 8 days we’re all going to be very thankful for the 19th Amendment.  

15th amendment in play as well.

[immamac 41,239]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I'm sorry I've read history books and am pointing out the striking parallels between our current path and past successful fascist takeovers of democratic governments? We still haven't even prosecuted trump's insurrection - we have an even weaker and slower response than the fucking Germans did to the beer hall putsch.

Also from my view today as a Texan, hate absolutely trumps love in our state and nobody is doing a goddamn thing about basic human rights being taken away. The beatings will continue until morale improves. We can campaign and 

If they're thinking about voting for trump, it's "having my head up my ass" to call out a literal part of his campaign platform? If they're so willfully and intentionally uninformed they're about to vote for someone who wants to have mass deportations so that they can realize economic gains, that's pretty goddamn similar to the Germans of 1932-45 who didn't realize HItler was bad because they spent no time thinking about it because things were nice for them personally.

Now, I'm not saying your friends are Nazis and I'm sorry for drawing parallels between their current behavior and what the people who brought Hitler to power did at the time.

I didn't mean to give that impression, but mainly that if they try to sell me on voting for trump I'll just ask something like "why are you voting for a 34x convicted criminally fraudulent rapist"? And then we'll see where things go

If someone is trying to sell you on voting for Trump they are a fascist. 

I'm the one bringing up politics in these situations/conversations and they offer they are probably gonna vote for Trump because of crypto policy he has and their main holdings being all crypto it makes a ton of sense. 

He doesn't give a shit that Trump is a rapist. He also doesn't give a shit that Kamala is black or a woman. 

A lot of comparing now to Nazi Germany is extreme, there are parallels for sure but it's not the same thing. It's why I'm pressing the conversation, because the more people that do the more we avoid a Nazi Germany situation. 

I tell/ask everyone I interact with on a daily basis if they've voted or that they need to vote and if they need a plan I can help them plan to vote. Even professionally. In professional settings I don't ask about who they plan to vote for for obvious reasons just that they need to vote. 

[The Dog 42,652]

 

[Js1 82,103]

Just now, The Dog said:

 

I don't think that is ever going to go away for Democrats.  Ever. 

[immamac 41,239]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

 

This is the way. Lol. This is exactly how I feel. 

[Brisketexan 103,007]

9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

One afternoon when I was a kid we were parked on Seawall, me and my Dad, sitting on the hood of his Plymouth. He opened a can of beer, handed it to me so I could take a sip, and inhaled that Galveston-only mix of salt and kerosene and seaweed and cheap perfume and cigarette smoke said "this is it, son." And it was.  
Galveston was and still isTexas profonde in a way that very few places are anymore.

Jesus, way to capture a giant slice of my childhood in a paragraph.  Shit, as I parked this morning early, still dark out, for some reason the humid air in our garage carried a faint whiff of that smell of exhaust fumes, humid air, salt/sea life....it smelled like a bait camp before sunrise.  A smell I have inhaled a kabillion times.  Took me right back.

Man.  I long for such simplicity.

[GopherRock 1,754]

3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

I've got it, too.

That's one reason why Tim Walz, the defensive coordinator, was brought on board. PLAY THROUGH THE FUCKING WHISTLE. KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL THE CLOCK SHOWS 0:00.

[gernblansten 3,099]

16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

One afternoon when I was a kid we were parked on Seawall, me and my Dad, sitting on the hood of his Plymouth. He opened a can of beer, handed it to me so I could take a sip, and inhaled that Galveston-only mix of salt and kerosene and seaweed and cheap perfume and cigarette smoke said "this is it, son." And it was.  
Galveston was and still isTexas profonde in a way that very few places are anymore.

[David Dennison 17,591]

11 minutes ago, The Dog said:

American politics has exhausted the nervousness out of me.

Sad but true.