2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[G650 13042]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

American politics has exhausted the nervousness out of me.

Sad but true.

If I were only so lucky

[South Austin 51312]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

American politics has exhausted the nervousness out of me.

I wish I could could say the same for Longhorn football.

[Snake Diggity 4541]

14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I don't think that is ever going to go away for Democrats.  Ever. 

If Harris gets 350+ Electoral Votes next week and Donald Trump dies next year, I think you’ll see a lot of people’s blood pressure go down.  (Not that those events are at all likely, but just that there is a scenario where things calm the fuck down.)

[gmr548 16243]

3 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Sushi has never been right about anything. His whole posting history is him being stupendously wrong. 

Isn't he the guy who wrote novels about the greatness of the Tom Herman offense?

[Brisketexan 103007]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

American politics has exhausted the nervousness out of me.

Y'all should be like me.  Drown out all the nervousness with rage and hate.  I'm not nervous. It will be what it will be - and win or lose, there's more than enough reason to keep the fires of rage and hate burning bright: either the fascists and their enablers have enough votes in swing states to win, and fully implement their imperial fascist presidency, or they fall just short, still demonstrating that 47%+ of American voters are fascists or happy to enable fascists.  Either way, we're fucked.  In the first circumstance, we're fucked much harder....but we're always fucked.

Because when fighting against authoritarian fascists who want to take over the Republic and force it to succumb to their will, it's a lot like fighting terrorists like the IRA -- recall their comments after a hotel bombing failed to kill the British PM: "Today we were unlucky, but remember we have only to be lucky once, you will have to be lucky always."

We have to be lucky every fucking election.  We have to fend of fascism constantly.  They, on the other hand, only have to win one more time.

I know this.

So, I hate them.  I hate them for waging war against my country and half the people in it.  I hate them for their cruelty and stupidity.  And that hate....it motivates me.

[Js1 82103]

2 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

If Harris gets 350+ Electoral Votes next week and Donald Trump dies next year, I think you’ll see a lot of people’s blood pressure go down.  (Not that those events are at all likely, but just that there is a scenario where things calm the fuck down.)

Texas will lose 1 game in the regular season in 2023, win the Big 12 and make the CFP and a lot of people's blood pressure and dooming will go down

*Checks Surly in the month of October 2024*

[jimmyjazz 45018]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I wish I could could say the same for Longhorn football.

This is turning into the Ewers thread.

[Bateshorn 9410]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This is turning into the Ewers thread.

I want to remind everyone that the only ironclad rule of cloakroom is to not Football the sub. 

[texasdago 7369]

34 minutes ago, Captainant said:

If they're thinking about voting for trump, it's "having my head up my ass" to call out a literal part of his campaign platform? If they're so willfully and intentionally uninformed they're about to vote for someone who wants to have mass deportations so that they can realize economic gains, that's pretty goddamn similar to the Germans of 1932-45 who didn't realize HItler was bad because they spent no time thinking about it because things were nice for them personally.

Anyone read this? https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/2020-02-11/learning-germans-race-and-memory-evil

 

[Chopper 15767]

Susquehanna poll of Michigan:

Harris 🔵 52% 
Trump 🔴 47%

0.5% undecided.

 

[G650 13042]

Just now, Chopper said:

Susquehanna poll of Michigan:

Harris 🔵 52% 
Trump 🔴 47%

0.5% undecided.

 

I can fap to that

[Snake Diggity 4541]

If Harris wins the popular vote by more than 5% and loses the electoral college, I will seriously consider rioting.

[SydneyCarton 47055]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Cool cool so I hang out with fascists and they are overwhelmingly and rabidly engaged because hate trumps love and no one actually cares about their basic human rights being taken away. 

Good conversation. Much appreciated, I wonder why people don't like engaging with you. Your position is terrible and it's not everyone's perogative to be a fully engaged voter. A lot of people don't realize how bad trump is because they spend almost no time thinking about it or what it means to them. They are busy doing other shit and thinking about what's around them. 

The most these people think about politics is when I bring it up. These aren't people who follow the news, these are people who watch sportscenter, mute political ads and try to figure out the latest scoop on their fantasy roster. Stop equating people like that to fascists, they are just uninformed and intentionally avoid it. It's my job as a friend to talk about shit they may not wanna talk about, it's not to berate them and call them a fascist who wants to deport all the brown people. Pull your head out of your ass. 

1 hour ago, LTbear said:

Alberta is a couple hundred miles from me and looking promising. 

As others have said, good luck moving there without cutting a check for a hundreds of thousands to buy into their medical coverage. Cooter has it right.

35 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

This right here, which is why I've drug my bleeding vagina all over this thread this morning. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:13 PM by SydneyCarton

[CooterBrown 17686]

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Susquehanna poll of Michigan:

0.5% undecided.

 

This level of regard should not be allowed to vote.  It's one thing to be driven by fear and hate and then vote Trump. At least that's something.  No, you're the regard that can't split hairs between these two candidates. 

[The Dog 42652]

[gmr548 16243]

8 hours ago, Chilly Water said:

That’s a shame. If she wants to make inroads with the  “bros” or  young, white male demo that they’re worried Trump has, then make the time.

She's the sitting VPOTUS and is crisscrossing the country to spend time in swing states, of which TX is not one. Trump is unemployed and has kept a light campaign schedule. They are not the same and it's unreasonable for Rogan to look at them as such.

8 hours ago, Chilly Water said:

No disagreement on that here. 36 million views is a lot though, and a  3 hour podcast, if she can hold her own, could be a game changer for her. 

Oh come on. This is weird Rogan bro shit.

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The increasing loudness of some Wall Street leaders saying that Trump will win tells me that they’re unsure that Harris is slightly leading.

If they truly thought the race was over, they would just sit back and do whatever behind the scenes that would make them and their client the most money. Instead they’re trying to move the needle ever so much by telling everyone the race is over.

I generally buy the idea that it's a close race but the "coastal elite" - for lack of a better term for the corporate/political class - consensus that Trump is going to win a statistically tied race feels pretty 2016-y. I get that the financial sector positioning for a Trump win is really the only play because Kamala is essentially status quo, but still.

[Fudge Nuggets 18811]

12 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Was there about a month ago. Wife said the same thing. Loved it. Always has been one of my favorite places and been going there since I was 5.

To the politics. What we are seeing is simple. They are so used to being bullies and saying shit behind closed doors. Now Trump empowered them to be racist asses and they cannot help it. Being on the defensive is hard when you are stupid.

The others don't realize that only the dotard can say whatever he wants without consequences.  Some rules actually apply to the others.

[Js1 82103]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

As others have said, good luck moving there without cutting a check for a hundreds of thousands to buy into their medical coverage. Cooter has it right.

Also like someone said, Canada is a year behind us.  Poilievre is poised to win next year's Canadian election.  America - exporting MAGA to the rest of the world. 

[SimonBolivar 10645]

Just now, Snake Diggity said:

If Harris gets 350+ Electoral Votes next week and Donald Trump dies next year, I think you’ll see a lot of people’s blood pressure go down.  (Not that those events are at all likely, but just that there is a scenario where things calm the fuck down.)

I'm not so sure that'd do anything to be honest. I have a working theory, Eeyoric (made that word up) in nature, that the former New Deal loving Reagan is what ultimately led to our long demise and that the die is already cast. Breaking out of the second Gilded Age will not have the people supporting Progressive ideas or rural Populist ideas that Co-Ops and government could be a solution to banking and big business. Nobody is coming for the trusts this time because "The government can do nothing good" is now as American as anything else in our collective ethos. Of course the idea of limited government wasn't invented by 80s Republicans, but the push against Socialism was so strong that our own institutions were a casualty. The public trust had already been under attack since the Vietnam Era and Nixon, which was necessary, but instead of reform we have chosen the big business and R position that tearing everything down is the only answer.

 

Which is wild, because people hate big business but yet they actively vote to tear down the only protections they have from it.

[Constant 6524]

33 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Yes. A knot of anxiety in my chest. 

[The Dog 42652]

6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Susquehanna poll of Michigan:

Harris 🔵 52% 
Trump 🔴 47%

0.5% undecided.

 

 

[Js1 82103]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

 

Also when I talk about the right wing spam, this is going to go into the averages and then get immediately offset by some American Greatness, Fabrizio, Rasmussen or TIPP poll that nukes Detroit and shows Trump +1

[SimonBolivar 10645]

Michigan is looking really good. 

 

All that matters is PA and WI with it to hit 270. Anything else is just bonus.

Edited Tuesday at 03:16 PM by SimonBolivar

[Bozo_Casanova 25462]

30 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Jesus, way to capture a giant slice of my childhood in a paragraph.  Shit, as I parked this morning early, still dark out, for some reason the humid air in our garage carried a faint whiff of that smell of exhaust fumes, humid air, salt/sea life....it smelled like a bait camp before sunrise.  A smell I have inhaled a kabillion times.  Took me right back.

Man.  I long for such simplicity.

[SydneyCarton 47055]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

She's the sitting VPOTUS and is crisscrossing the country to spend time in swing states, of which TX is not one. Trump is unemployed and has kept a light campaign schedule. They are not the same and it's unreasonable for Rogan to look at them as such.

Oh come on. This is weird Rogan bro shit.

I generally buy the idea that it's a close race but the "coastal elite" - for lack of a better term for the corporate/political class - consensus that Trump is going to win a statistically tied race feels pretty 2016-y. I get that the financial sector positioning for a Trump win is really the only play because Kamala is essentially status quo, but still.

My financial advisor has been telling me for 9 years that a Democratic victory is going to ruin the stock market. Wrong every time so far. But for all the credit given to "Wall Street" and their prescience, you'd think they'd be overwhelmingly preaching the Biden/Harris polices to teh high heaven. We've got our soft landing, the stock market is booming, manufacturing is on the rise thanks to their policies, and everyone is fucking making money. And yet, they still favor Trump.

At some point, you have to question if these people are deliberately tipping the scales against their best corporate interests. I guess their stock/bonus at the end of the year trumps corporate profits thanks to the Tax cuts...

[The Dog 42652]

 

[Chopper 15767]

I didn't expect to open the thread this morning and be confronted by so many nattering nabobs of negativism. Stand up straight with your chest out. Kamala Harris is going to win and it won't be particularly close. Is it the large rallies? No. But yes. They tell me about voter enthusiasm and likely voters. Is it the canvassing operations and volunteers? Yes. Is it individual donations? Yes. Is it because even the credible polls are absolutely worthless and should be ignored unless there's a large sample AND large spread surpassing the margin of error? Absolutely. Do the pollsters themselves know this? You betcha. There's a post in here of even Nate Cohn acknowledging his operation is oversampling R's. Are the polls knowingly ignoring new registrants, overwhelmingly voting for Kamala, and among the most likely to go out and vote? Fuck yes. Ignore the fucking polls and go vote. Sign up for a phone bank. Tell your friends and neighbors to vote. left one out - Women are voting in much higher frequency and not only are there more women voters than men overall, those that are voting are overwhelmingly voting for Harris. Harris has made it clear to women to vote why they need to vote, and they're doing so.

Edited Tuesday at 03:28 PM by Chopper

[South Austin 51312]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

My financial advisor has been telling me for 9 years that a Democratic victory is going to ruin the stock market. Wrong every time so far. But for all the credit given to "Wall Street" and their prescience, you'd think they'd be overwhelmingly preaching the Biden/Harris polices to teh high heaven. We've got our soft landing, the stock market is booming, manufacturing is on the rise thanks to their policies, and everyone is fucking making money. And yet, they still favor Trump.

At some point, you have to question if these people are deliberately tipping the scales against their best corporate interests. I guess their stock/bonus at the end of the year trumps corporate profits thanks to the Tax cuts...

I think your advisor may secretly have all your holdings in Trump Media.

[Js1 82103]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

 

That both sucks for Harris and sucks for that lady.  You better be 100% certain when you cast a vote early.  

[Longhorn94 2400]

oh no the leopard ate my face, can I go back in time and change my original decision to get the leopard? 

 

Fuck those people.

 

Kamala rolls on Tuesday! LFG!!!!!!!

[SydneyCarton 47055]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

That both sucks for Harris and sucks for that lady.  You better be 100% certain when you cast a vote early.  

I'm sure they were...at the time.

Also I'm quoting this after your comments about the Canadien PM candidate. You say he's super right and MAGA, but I took a stroll through his wikipedia, and whiel I saw some MAGA type red flags, we'd fucking kill for a Republican party with some of his policies. Pro Abortion. Pro Gay Marriage. Pro Immigration. The bill clinton method of balancing a budget. Shit. Did he use a hard R or something?

[TwiceHorn 30708]

6 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Pendejos grandes muy male.  Chingao.

[Native Horn 3462]

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

Obscura or Pilsner? There is a right answer.

*Oscura* And it's tasty af.

[SimonBolivar 10645]

1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm sure they were...at the time.

Also I'm quoting this after your comments about the Canadien PM candidate. You say he's super right and MAGA, but I took a stroll through his wikipedia, and whiel I saw some MAGA type red flags, we'd fucking kill for a Republican party with some of his policies. Pro Abortion. Pro Gay Marriage. Pro Immigration. The bill clinton method of balancing a budget. Shit. Did he use a hard R or something?

The Canadian right is all about anti-immigration. That is their number one issue along with housing prices which they blame on immigrants.

[InkaUtexas 24773]

1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

Also it’s almost fucking impossible to gain residency in Canada. 
 

We can all hang out at the Taco stand wherever we end up in Mexico. First round of Bohemia is on me.

Fuck residency. Got a good buddy just across the border. As long as I cook dinner I can live in his basement. Says mounties are easy to deal with. Wait, am I Latino now?

[tx 3 putt 74697]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

oh no the leopard ate my face, can I go back in time and change my original decision to get the leopard? 

 

Fuck those people.

 

Kamala rolls on Tuesday! LFG!!!!!!!

 

[SydneyCarton 47055]

4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I didn't expect to open the thread this morning and be confronted by so many nattering nabobs of negativism. Stand up straight with your chest out. Kamala Harris is going to win and it won't be particularly close. Is it the large rallies? No. But yes. They tell me about voter enthusiasm and likely voters. Is it the canvassing operations and volunteers? Yes. Is it individual donations? Yes. Is it because even the credible polls are absolutely worthless and should be ignored unless there's a large sample AND large spread surpassing the margin of error? Absolutely. Do the pollsters themselves know this? You betcha. There's a post in here of even Nate Cohn acknowledging his operation is oversampling R's. Are the polls knowingly ignoring new registrants, overwhelmingly voting for Kamala, and among the most likely to go out and vote? Fuck yes. Ignore the fucking polls and go vote. Sign up for a phone bank. Tell your friends and neighbors to vote. 

I love it. I've phone banked. I've been vocal. I love your confidence. Tell me, and this is a serious question, would you place a $50,000 bet on the election outcome? And if not, why not?

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I think your advisor may secretly have all your holdings in Trump Media.

Fortunately I have a direct method of control over my investments, and they're all at this point different funds. Although, I did make the mistake of betting in some military industrial complex funds thinking that the war in Ukraine, and the standard Republican support of military spending would make that a solid long term play. Might need to revisit that shit if Trump wins. Feeling good about my funds that cover general household goods, however. 

[SydneyCarton 47055]

2 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

The Canadian right is all about anti-immigration. That is their number one issue along with housing prices which they blame on immigrants.

This is what I get by only reading the first paragraph while skimming, and no further. So motherfucker did a 180 since 2022.

 

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Immigration

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In 2022, Poilievre described himself as pro-immigration and put forward policies aiming to speed up processing times for immigration to reunite families, keep refugees safe, and get jobs filled in Canada.^[241] Poilievre stated that a government led by him would negotiate agreements with provinces to license qualified professionals within 60 days of receiving applications, provide study loans to aid new immigrants in passing examinations, and permit immigrants to receive licences before moving to Canada.^[242][164] Poilievre proposes establishing direct flights to Amritsar, India.^[243] In June 2023, Poilievre, as well as NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, joined protesters in support of students who were facing deportation for being scammed into moving to Canada on fake admission letters to universities.^[244][245]

Poilievre has since argued that Canada should pursue more restrictions on immigration and asylum intake. In 2024, he described Liberal Party's approach to immigration as “radical and out of control” and argued Trudeau's government has “destroyed our immigration system.”^[246] After data published by the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada (IRBC) showed a substantial rise in asylum cases from Mexico, Poilievre called on the Canadian government to reinstate visa requirements for Mexico which had been imposed by previous Conservative government before Trudeau abolished this policy in 2016. In January 2024, Poilievre argued that the removal of visa requirements had led to an increase in immigration fraud and abuses of the asylum process.^[247][248]

 

[Brisketexan 103007]

5 minutes ago, Longhorn94 said:

oh no the leopard ate my face, can I go back in time and change my original decision to get the leopard? 

 

Fuck those people.

This.  You fucking voted for the openly declared and proud face-eating leopard.  Don't come crying when your face gets mauled beyond all recognition by said leopard.

 

[softlynow 1612]

3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Yolanda is going to be in the news a bunch next March, when she's up for parole the first time.

[Aqua Buddha 13880]

More anecdotal stories....

We know a group of three women, all in their late 50's/early 60's.  One is a retired executive, another is a bank president, and the last is an elected official.  They're all lifelong Republicans having never voted Democrat.

They're all voting Harris but are on the DL.

[mdmost 42137]

The Puerto Rico racism reaction is great because it reminds people what Trump previous said and did when the hurricane hit Puerto Rico. It also gets people who may have not bothered voting to be motivated by anger. If the right can use anger to its advantage then the left needs to run with it when it is handed to them on a silver platter. It also lets Hispanic people know that even if you think you'll be fine under Trump, this is what they think about you. 

[chainsaw 9395]

Two things about 2008 Iowa/Obama that I want to flag.

1. The social landscape 2008 vs. 2024. Social media was more of a curiosity reserved for tech-savvy and college-aged people, which meant that people were far less ideologically and socially segmented in 2008 than we are today. For those who believe in monoculture, there was a stronger monoculture in 2008 than today, which means a place like Iowa could give you a sense for what middle america is thinking.

Today? We have Elon and Zuckerberg curating what everyone sees, reinforcing bubbles and echo chambers, replacing Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather with Dan Bongino and Democracy Now!. The media diet of the average Iowan may not resemble the media diet of the average Pennsylvanian, and their values and voting are more likely to reflect those differences. I think Selzer is a fantastic pollster who knows Iowa better than any pollster knows their respondents, but I would read far less about the national landscape into her polls today than I would in 2008.

2. The political landscape 2008 v. 2024. Obama was a generational talent who tapped into a powerful desire to reject the Bush era. 2024 on the other hand offers two paths that most voters feel like we've been down before: Trumpist chaos-through-fascism vs. Biden-esque stability-through-neoliberalism. With Harris, there is no longer the concerns about age and stamina, and she has made a deliberate point not to emphasize her gender or race. With Trump, there is no longer the pesky global pandemic to dampen his ability to run on his record.

With neither candidate in a position to offer anything that feels new to the voters, this might be the first race in recent memory to be a dueling referendum on diametrically opposite values systems, both of which the American people have test driven.

[Js1 82103]

6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I'm sure they were...at the time.

Also I'm quoting this after your comments about the Canadien PM candidate. You say he's super right and MAGA, but I took a stroll through his wikipedia, and whiel I saw some MAGA type red flags, we'd fucking kill for a Republican party with some of his policies. Pro Abortion. Pro Gay Marriage. Pro Immigration. The bill clinton method of balancing a budget. Shit. Did he use a hard R or something?

He's also not vocally MAGA, but there's a lot of undercurrent - the rank and file MPs are being much more extreme

 

[The Dog 42652]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

The Puerto Rico racism reaction is great because it reminds people what Trump previous said and did when the hurricane hit Puerto Rico. It also gets people who may have not bothered voting to be motivated by anger. If the right can use anger to its advantage then the left needs to run with it when it is handed to them on a silver platter. It also lets Hispanic people know that even if you think you'll be fine under Trump, this is what they think about you. 

and it's significant because Trump/GOP had been making inroads with that demographic.

they just blew it all up.

[Brisketexan 103007]

Just now, chainsaw said:

this might be the first race in recent memory to be a dueling referendum on diametrically opposite values systems, both of which the American people have test driven.

This.

And the fact that it's close, at all, means that we are totally fucking fucked in the long-term.  "Hey, here's option 1 that ranges from 'tastes good enough' to 'delicious,' and here's option 2, which is broken glass and poison proudly intended to hurt half the country."  If the breakdown on those two isn't 80/20 or better, your society is fucked.

[Fudge Nuggets 18811]

51 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

I've got it, too.

That's one reason why Tim Walz, the defensive coordinator, was brought on board. PLAY THROUGH THE FUCKING WHISTLE. KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL THE CLOCK SHOWS 0:00.

I saw a clip of Corch at a rally where he said Trump's running mate is basically Elmo at this point.  Then he referred to Elmo as a weird jumping dipshit.

It's the first time I've seen Walz in what feels like ages and I missed him.  That's not his fault, but rather the media is all dotard all the time the last few weeks.

[mdmost 42137]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

and it's significant because Trump/GOP had been making inroads with that demographic.

they just blew it all up.

Well I wouldn't go that far. There's still machismo Latino assholes and one issue voter Catholics that will still pull the lever for Trump. There's also brown on black racism and "well they're talking about dirty Puerto Ricans, I'm _______". Remember, Trump plays to the worst parts of people and we know people eventually regress to the mean. 

[Js1 82103]

Oh look they caught the guy who was setting fire to ballot collection boxes in AZ

I thought it was ANTIFA????

 

 

 

[G650 13042]

19 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

What is this lady replying to?