2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[mdmost 43001]

No Antifa set fires to the ones in WA and Portland. 

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

Ballot box burning was in OR / WA yesterday.  Have they caught that fucker?

[Js1 85338]

Just now, Fudge Nuggets said:

Ballot box burning was in OR / WA yesterday.  Have they caught that fucker?

That one is still at-large, I believe.

[Chopper 17235]

This is not money from a rogue bitch billionaire this is small donations with a max limit of $3300.

17 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I love it. I've phone banked. I've been vocal. I love your confidence. Tell me, and this is a serious question, would you place a $50,000 bet on the election outcome? And if not, why not?

 

Short answer is yes. But that's easy to say and a lot of money that would require telling my FA and wife that I was doing it so lulz. I've bet less than $1k in my entire life despite being in Vegas a bunch of times, so the lawyerly answer is, it depends. That's a lot of money to most people. More than the average American's retirement account. If I found a bag with $50k this afternoon, you were there egging me on, and if there were a highly reputable, legal and easy place to bet it with fair odds? Yep. In a heartbeat. 

 

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[Tuco 5076]

10 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The Puerto Rico racism reaction is great because it reminds people what Trump previous said and did when the hurricane hit Puerto Rico. It also gets people who may have not bothered voting to be motivated by anger. If the right can use anger to its advantage then the left needs to run with it when it is handed to them on a silver platter. It also lets Hispanic people know that even if you think you'll be fine under Trump, this is what they think about you. 

Right.  It has nothing at all to do with immigration. It's that MAGA believes people who speak Spanish are dirty.  That is the core belief that everything else is twisted around. 

Edit to add: Also, a lot of middle class Americans have visited Puerto Rico and have a positive opinion of it.  

Edited October 29 by Tuco

[SimonBolivar 10958]

Just now, Chopper said:

More than the average American's retirement account.

Well that's depressing.

[Huckleberry 32861]

I'm trying to figure out what I think an appropriate sentence for intentional mass destruction of ballots is. 

5 years minimum time served is the lowest I'll go. Absolutely have to miss a full election cycle. 

But part of me thinks 2-4 years per ballot destroyed is fair. Served consecutively because fuck that. But sure, parole eligibility in 5 years still I guess. 

[TheStoicPaisano 9922]

 

[Js1 85338]

1 minute ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

Well duh, it opened in 2023.  This is the first election since it opened.

[Js1 85338]

2 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

5 years minimum time served is the lowest I'll go. Absolutely have to miss a full election cycle. 

 

Just one cycle? 

You tried to take away people's voices by force, not legislation.  Neither is good, but you should lose your right to vote, period, for that shit. 

[Michael Knight 12979]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Cool cool so I hang out with fascists and they are overwhelmingly and rabidly engaged because hate trumps love and no one actually cares about their basic human rights being taken away. 

Good conversation. Much appreciated, I wonder why people don't like engaging with you. Your position is terrible and it's not everyone's perogative to be a fully engaged voter. A lot of people don't realize how bad trump is because they spend almost no time thinking about it or what it means to them. They are busy doing other shit and thinking about what's around them. 

The most these people think about politics is when I bring it up. These aren't people who follow the news, these are people who watch sportscenter, mute political ads and try to figure out the latest scoop on their fantasy roster. Stop equating people like that to fascists, they are just uninformed and intentionally avoid it. It's my job as a friend to talk about shit they may not wanna talk about, it's not to berate them and call them a fascist who wants to deport all the brown people. Pull your head out of your ass. 

On the one hand an engaged, informed and educated electorate is the ideal society. On the other hand an example of a society where everyone cares about and is actively involved in politics is Spain in 1936

[SimonBolivar 10958]

3 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I'm trying to figure out what I think an appropriate sentence for intentional mass destruction of ballots is. 

5 years minimum time served is the lowest I'll go. Absolutely have to miss a full election cycle. 

But part of me thinks 2-4 years per ballot destroyed is fair. Served consecutively because fuck that. But sure, parole eligibility in 5 years still I guess. 

Well it depends on who wins the election. If Kamala wins that sounds about right. If Trump wins then it's probably a minimum 5-year sentence as Postmaster General. 

[Dr. Teeth 5844]

23 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

This is the most accurate thing I have ever seen in this forum. She would be grifting with the best of them. 

[linux 1660]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

On the one hand an engaged, informed and educated electorate is the ideal society. On the other hand an example of a society where everyone cares about and is actively involved in politics is Spain in 1936

There is a difference between logic and militant ideology, human beings are animals, we can never seem to be ideal rational people.

[David Dennison 18860]

51 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

I want to remind everyone that the only ironclad rule of cloakroom is to not Football the sub. 

That place is 

[Bozo_Casanova 26462]

So like I been saying

1) It is possible but unlikely that the pollsters are materially underestimating Trump again
2)It is possible but somewhat less likely that the pollsters are bang on the actual results
3) It is possible that the pollsters are underestimating harris and somewhat more likely than 1 or 2. 

 

[SydneyCarton 48106]

9 minutes ago, Chopper said:

This is not money from a rogue bitch billionaire this is small donations with a max limit of $3300.

 

Short answer is yes. But that's easy to say and a lot of money that would require telling my FA and wife that I was doing it so lulz. I've bet less than $1k in my entire life despite being in Vegas a bunch of times, so the lawyerly answer is, it depends. That's a lot of money to most people. More than the average American's retirement account. If I found a bag with $50k this afternoon, you were there egging me on, and if there were a highly reputable, legal and easy place to bet it with fair odds? Yep. In a heartbeat. 

 

I mean, I love the confidence and sentiment, but I feel like you sort of answered "No" with the second sentence. Because there are consequences. And you don't believe SO fully in it that you'd damn the consequences becuase you were going to get free money, which would help your family. Because yeah, 50k is a lot of fucking money. Of course, 100k is a lot more. "If I found free money with no consequences yeah I'd double down!" But there are consequences. Which is the point of the question. 

8 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Well that's depressing.

He's not far off. Per AI, but you get the idea. Now keep in mind this takes into account the super wealthy. I believe most Americans actually only have a couple weeks or a couple months of savings in the bank I heard on NPR during covid:

 

The average retirement savings for Americans is $87,000, but the average is skewed by a small number of people with much higher balances: 

 

 

Age	Average retirement savings
Under 35	$18,800
35–44	$141,520
45–54	$313,220
55–64	$537,560
65–74	$609,230
75 or older	$462,410

[David Dennison 18860]

13 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Well that's depressing.

What's depressing is that average Americans need retirement accounts.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

9 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

On the one hand an engaged, informed and educated electorate is the ideal society. On the other hand an example of a society where everyone cares about and is actively involved in politics is Spain in 1936

I won district in current events in high school for a sight-reading question on if the Iraq War was a civil war in 2006 by comparing the US involvement in it to the Spanish Civil War with Germany and the Soviet Union.  

 

It'll always be the fraternal bloodshed that I look upon with the most fondness. As you would imagine, that medal was a huge pussy magnet to go along with my 2nd place State Marching Band medal. 

Edited October 29 by SimonBolivar

[C-Man 27229]

37 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

My financial advisor has been telling me for 9 years that a Democratic victory is going to ruin the stock market. Wrong every time so far. But for all the credit given to "Wall Street" and their prescience, you'd think they'd be overwhelmingly preaching the Biden/Harris polices to teh high heaven. We've got our soft landing, the stock market is booming, manufacturing is on the rise thanks to their policies, and everyone is fucking making money. And yet, they still favor Trump.

At some point, you have to question if these people are deliberately tipping the scales against their best corporate interests. I guess their stock/bonus at the end of the year trumps corporate profits thanks to the Tax cuts...

I was at a FPA DFW lunch a few weeks ago and I love hearing these obviously pro-Trump (for fiscal reasons, bro) get up and talk and go over charts and slides, try to figure out what's going to happen if Kamala wins or if turnip wins. They get to the slide that goes back like 50 years and stonks have done better under Democratic POTUS vs Republican POTUS going back that long. And I knowingly smile.

 

28 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

The Canadian right is all about anti-immigration. That is their number one issue along with housing prices which they blame on immigrants.

Canucks rightfully baking in all the Americans fleeing north if turnip wins next week (narrator: he won't).

[C-Man 27229]

 

Trump’s Puerto Rico fallout is ‘spreading like wildfire’ in Pennsylvania

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-s-puerto-rico-fallout-is-spreading-like-wildfire-in-pennsylvania/ar-AA1t5Jjw

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Donald Trump has a serious Puerto Rico problem — in Pennsylvania.

Many Puerto Rican voters in the state are furious about racist and demeaning comments delivered at a Trump rally. Some say their dismay is giving Kamala Harris a new opening to win over the state’s Latino voters, particularlynearly half a million Pennsylvanians of Puerto Rican descent.

Evidence of the backlash was immediate on Monday: A nonpartisan Puerto Rican group drafted a letter urging its members to oppose Trump on election day. Other Puerto Rican voters were lighting up WhatsApp chats with reactions to the vulgar display and raising it in morning conversations at their bodegas. Some are planning to protest Trump’s rally Tuesday in Allentown, a majority-Latino city with one of the largest Puerto Rican populations in the state.

And the arena Trump is speaking at is located in the middle of the city’s Puerto Rican neighborhood.

“It’s spreading like wildfire through the community,” said Norberto Dominguez, a precinct captain with the local Democratic party in Allentown, who noted his own family is half Republican and half Democratic voters.

“It’s not the smartest thing to do, to insult people — a large group of voters here in a swing state — and then go to their home asking for votes,” Dominguez said.

The timing couldn’t be worse for Trump. Almost a week before Election Day, he’s pushing to cut into Harris’ margins among Latinos, especially young men who are worried about the economy. But the comments from pro-Trump comedian Tony Hinchcliffe Sunday night, referring to Puerto Rico as a “floating island of garbage,” has reverberated throughout Pennsylvania and elsewhere, prompting even the former president’s Republican allies to defend the island and denounce the comments. And with the race essentially a toss up, every vote counts — especially in Pennsylvania.

“This was just like a gift from the gods,” said Victor Martinez, an Allentown resident who owns the Spanish language radio station La Mega, noting some Puerto Rican voters in the area have been on the fence about voting at all.

“If we weren't engaged before, we're all paying attention now,” Martinez said. He added the morning radio show he hosts was chock-full of callers Monday sounding off on the Trump rally comments, including a Puerto Rican Trump supporter who is now telling people not to vote for the former president.

Carlos H. Velilla, a Puerto Rican, sits near signs that say© Francis Chung/POLITICO

In response to questions on the comments, and whether Trump was planning to publicly denounce them, Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement, “Due to President Trump's plans to cut taxes, end inflation, and stop the surge of illegal immigrants at the southern border, he has more support from the Hispanic American community than any Republican in recent history.”

Local Democrats like Dominguez argue the fallout at the very least reminds Puerto Rican voters of Trump’s previous comments about the island, calling it “dirty” and tossing paper towels to survivors during a 2017 visit after Hurricane Maria devastated the island and killed more than 2,000 people.

And in a sign of how worried local residents are, a school district in Allentown announced Monday morning that it had canceled classes for Tuesday, when Trump visits.

The Trump campaign has tried to distance itself from the comedian’s comments about Puerto Ricans and Latinos. Danielle Alvarez, senior adviser to the Trump campaign, said Sunday evening that the “joke does not reflect the views of President Trump or the campaign.” Another Trump adviser said the speakers’ remarks were not vetted prior to the rally. Key Republican lawmakers in Florida, New York and other states with large Puerto Rican populations quickly denounced the comments, saying it didn’t reflect GOP values.

But other Trump allies, and his running mate JD Vance, have downplayed the rhetoric as just jokes. During a rally in Wisconsin Monday, Vance said that he had not heard the joke and that “maybe it's a stupid racist joke” or “maybe it’s not” but Harris saying people should get offended by a comedian’s jokes is “not the message of a winning campaign.”

“Our country was built by frontiersmen who conquered the wilderness,” Vance said. “We’re not going to restore the greatness of American civilization if we get offended at every little thing. Let’s have a sense of humor and let’s have a little fun.”

Donald Trump Jr. and other MAGA Republicans have shared social media posts with a similar message.

But at least one local Republican is denouncing the remarks.

Puerto Rican flags are flown over a row of houses in north Philadelphia, Oct. 28.© Francis Chung/POLITICO

"The comments made by this so-called ‘comedian’ at Madison Square Garden weren’t funny, they were offensive and wrong,” state Rep. Ryan Mackenzie told POLITICO. The Republican is locked in a close race against Democratic Rep. Susan Wild, who represents Allentown and a key part of the swingy Lehigh Valley. Mackenzie said he was still looking forward to Trump’s visit.

And, some Pennsylvania GOP strategists, even as they tried to downplay the electoral fallout, acknowledged it was an unforced error at the very least.

Jimmy Zumba, a Latino GOP strategist based in the Lehigh Valley, called them “stupid comments,” that were clearly not based on the immigration and crime themes that Republicans have tried to hammer this cycle.

“Obviously I would love to be talking about that, to be on the offense on that, but right now we’re on the defense trying to defend comments that are not from the campaign or President Trump,” Zumba said, adding he didn’t believe the matter is “going to shift completely a Latino vote.”

But many local Puerto Rican community members are unwilling to let go of the comments.

Roberto L. Lugo, President of the Pennsylvania Chapter of the National Puerto Rican Agenda, said the nonpartisan group will be releasing a letter, shared exclusively with POLITICO, condemning the comments and urging Pennsylvania Puerto Ricans not to vote for Trump. Lugo, who was born in Puerto Rico and now lives in Philadelphia, said Pennsylvania Puerto Ricans are “really disturbed” over the comments.

“I’m not a Republican, I’m not a Democrat, I'm independent,” Lugo said. “But at this point, it’s not about political, partisan issues. It is about the respect and honor our Puerto Ricans and Latinos deserved as citizens and legal residents of this country, that’s the issue.”

“We held Trump and his campaign responsible for this disgraceful act,” he added.

State Rep. Danilo Burgos, co-chair of the “Latinos con Harris” group in Pennsylvania, said residents have spread the comments on social media and within Philadelphia’s Puerto Rican community.

“I saw two ladies in particular saying they were considering voting for Trump, but they're not now,” he said, “because of the comments.”

He also said that Puerto Rican megastar Bad Bunny’s endorsement of Harris could be a game changer in Pennsylvania, arguing that a third-party candidate in Puerto Rico’s governor's election surged from a double-digit deficit because the superstar got involved. Bad Bunny has not endorsed a candidate in that race, but has paid for billboards opposing Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon’s New Progressive Party.

“She was running away with the election,” he said. “Now that election is a statistical tie.”

Notably, Donald Trump Jr., Trump’s son, made a stop in Allentown on Monday, ahead of a planned event in Coplay, Pennsylvania, a Lehigh Valley borough outside Allentown.

Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro on Monday also noted Trump made the choice not to distance himself from the comments.

“If Donald Trump really wanted to disassociate himself with that, the first thing he would have said when he came onto the stage at Madison Square Garden was, ‘hey, listen, I heard that person's attempt at humor. It was not funny. I stand with the Puerto Rican community,’” Shapiro told a local talk news radio station in northeast Pennsylvania. “He didn't do that.”

Republicans have been eager to peel away Puerto Rican and Latino voters from Democrats in Pennsylvania and other swing states. Trump actually made gains among voters in North Philadelphia’s Puerto Rican-dominated neighborhoods in 2020. Harris sought to shore up her support in the neighborhood during a Sunday visit to Freddy and Tony’s, a local Puerto Rican restaurant, where she was speaking about her plans for the island around the same time that Trump’s rally featured the disparaging comments.

Kenny Perez, an employee at Freddy and Tony’s, said in an interview at the restaurant on Monday that he’s often turned off by politics and normally doesn’t vote. But he condemned the Trump rally comments and said while he’s still deciding, this year, he thinks he’ll vote for Harris and "definitely not for Trump.”

“I think he gave Kamala a boost,” Perez added.

Other Puerto Ricans want an apology from Trump himself.

“They should think before they put a person in front of millions of people to talk like that and joke like that,” said Ivonne Concepion, who also lives in North Philadelphia. “He’s gotta say ‘perdon,’ not just sorry, but from here,” she said pointing to her chest.

 

[wildcat09 29354]

18 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I'm trying to figure out what I think an appropriate sentence for intentional mass destruction of ballots is. 

5 years minimum time served is the lowest I'll go. Absolutely have to miss a full election cycle. 

But part of me thinks 2-4 years per ballot destroyed is fair. Served consecutively because fuck that. But sure, parole eligibility in 5 years still I guess. 

Death penalty.

[Pato del Muerto 52499]

49 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Michigan is looking really good. 

 

All that matters is PA and WI with it to hit 270. Anything else is just bonus.

No, we need a margin.  The burger the margin, the less likely the ratfucking succeeds. 

[Js1 85338]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

No, we need a margin.  The burger the margin, the less likely the ratfucking succeeds. 

The berder the margin

[Valmy77 13226]

The burger the margarine? I prefer cheese.

[Snake Diggity 4625]

Just got a text from the precinct 360 TCRP chair telling me to vote straight ballot R and “CHECK YOUR BALLOT FOR MACHINE GLITCHES”.  Fuck these motherfuckers.

[Bozo_Casanova 26462]

3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

The burger the margarine? I prefer cheese.

how do you feel about burrata?

[Pato del Muerto 52499]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The berder the margin

Goddammit obviously I meant bulgier

Edited October 29 by Pato del Muerto

[Jive Turkey 12598]

Score one for the good guys. 

 

[GenXer 2877]

53 minutes ago, Js1 said:

That both sucks for Harris and sucks for that lady.  You better be 100% certain when you cast a vote early.  

It sucks for that lady because she’s dumb as fuck regardless of how she voted.

[TheStoicPaisano 9922]

7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The berder the margin

They’ll still claim it’s stollen.

[henrygandorf 29191]

18 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

not sure why he said "weird", when "unexpected" or "surprising" might fit better. he's a dem, so he didn't mean weird as in shitty or suspect.

separately, my nephew is a senior at michigan and wanted to go to kamala's rally tonight, but didn't feel like waiting in line for several hours. so according to my group text, there is currently a pledge in a folding chair with his laptop near the front of the line.

this kid's got a future.

he made it on the local news! (he’s at the very end). 

[Captainant 27669]

39 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh look they caught the guy who was setting fire to ballot collection boxes in AZ

I thought it was ANTIFA????

 

 

 

ayo @Incredulity come get yo man

[mchookem 16336]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

Isn't he the guy who wrote novels about the greatness of the Tom Herman offense?

well cross him off then

[The Dog 44053]

What the fuck?

 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Valmy77 13226]

I always check three times.

I vote, go over it again.

The I review my choices on the review screen.

Then I print and go over it again.

Mostly to see if I committed any user errors. Wouldn't want to try to vote for Al Gore and accidentally vote for Pat Buchanan or anything.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

47 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh look they caught the guy who was setting fire to ballot collection boxes in AZ

I thought it was ANTIFA????

 

 

 

I don’t care if the arsonist is a crazy MAGAt or the DNC chair. If you’re destroying ballots, I see that as an attempted coup. A very poor attempt at a coup but a coup nonetheless. The penalty should take intent into account. 

[wood 11225]

4 hours ago, immamac said:

Voting on something that never effects you except for making you feel like you owned the libs is not as energizing as being a woman who is now being threatened and actively being shown that if you need medical care you won't get it. Doctors who can't provide care they want to are not going to stand by and not vote. 

They are not the same. Stop equating them it's nonsense. 

If it were so energizing they would have turned out in 2016 and 2020, where were they then? Waiting for the hate to become openly racist? You think the proud boys decided not to vote cuz it wasn't enough hate before? Like come the fuck on.

Yep. Mrs. Wood (no pics) was telling me last night that if she were pregnant under current laws, she'd be scared to death. 

That ain't right. Fuck Trump.

[Pancho 44804]

[Pancho 44804]

 

[wood 11225]

4 hours ago, SubliminalHorn said:

If she can hold her own? Former prosecutor, California AG, VP. Hold her own against Joe fucking Rogan? Holy shit that’s funny 

Yeah until last night I'd never seen video of Kamala in action on the Senate floor. If I knew nothing about her at all and then saw that, I'd be impressed af. She'll run rings around most people.

Thanks to whomever posted that video of her de-pantsing Cornyn.

[Chopper 17235]

47 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I mean, I love the confidence and sentiment, but I feel like you sort of answered "No" with the second sentence. Because there are consequences. And you don't believe SO fully in it that you'd damn the consequences becuase you were going to get free money, which would help your family. Because yeah, 50k is a lot of fucking money. Of course, 100k is a lot more. "If I found free money with no consequences yeah I'd double down!" But there are consequences. Which is the point of the question. 

58 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Just being real and it's not consequence free - at that time the $50k would be mine, even though I'd probably prefer to give it away in 50 chunks to people who need it. Taking funds from my own account -- just trying to be real --wouldn't be just my decision and I couldn't do so without going through 2 women. So let's say I could have my existing lessors pay a year in advance (iow an account that nobody else monitors), would I be willing to risk it? Yep.

Edited October 29 by Chopper

[tx 3 putt 76958]

46 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

This is the most accurate thing I have ever seen in this forum. She would be grifting with the best of them. 

 

[Pancho 44804]

 

[Royalfan5 2354]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I want to know where is optimism about this population being capable of weathering a storm comes from? The fat maga mouthbreathers aren't going to be able to cope with the service industry losses and your carnivore bros are going to be in a world of hurt if you fuck up the meat packing workforce. 

[mdmost 43001]

I'm tired of everything being reacted to with "this is huge". It's up there with "_____ just destroyed Trump". 

[Brisketexan 105142]

10 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I always check three times.

I vote, go over it again.

The I review my choices on the review screen.

Then I print and go over it again.

Mostly to see if I committed any user errors. Wouldn't want to try to vote for Al Gore and accidentally vote for Pat Buchanan or anything.

This.  I check and re-check ANY fucking important document I prepare (and I prepare a lot of them for a living).  Not because "the machine changed 'plaintiff' to 'defendant!!'", but because experience has taught me that user error is a real thing that will do just that.  I checked my ballot exactly as Valmy described.  Because that's just smart, and acknowledges and accounts for your own fallibility, which is a real thing.

6 minutes ago, wood said:

Yep. Mrs. Wood (no pics) was telling me last night that if she were pregnant under current laws, she'd be scared to death. 

That ain't right. Fuck Trump.

My wife suffered a miscarriage that was messy/complicated.  There's a very real chance that, had it happened under the current laws, she would have been at serious risk of grave injury or death.

When an entity (the GQP-led government) tells me they are willing to kill my wife, they have made a fucking mortal enemy for life.  Come for my family, I will always, always, always, come for you.

[Anastasis 23469]

53 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh look they caught the guy who was setting fire to ballot collection boxes in AZ

I thought it was ANTIFA????

 

 

 

 

This is a good example of the twitter misinformation machine, and why embeds should be turned off in the CR. 

There are zero media reports out there that identify this individual as a republican. That appears to be totally manufactured nonsense. The situation in AZ was a man lighting a regular USPS drop box on fire, not a ballot drop box. Every article I have seen shares quotes from the investigating officers that report that the fire was not politically motivated, was not targeting the election, and the perp was an individual well known to the local police that wanted to do something to get himself arrested. 

But here we are. 

 

Here is an article directly related to this incident:

https://www.azfamily.com/2024/10/24/usps-blue-collection-box-damaged-by-fire-overnight-phoenix/

Here is the police statement:

https://www.phoenix.gov/policesite/MediaAdvisories/Arson 3900 N 7th Ave.pdf

Here is another from a prior run in with police:

https://www.abc15.com/news/crime/pd-duct-taped-suspect-held-for-glendale-police-after-attacking-surprise-officer

 

[mdmost 43001]

Just now, Royalfan5 said:

I want to know where is optimism about this population being capable of weathering a storm comes from? The fat maga mouthbreathers aren't going to be able to cope with the service industry losses and your carnivore bros are going to be in a world of hurt if you fuck up the meat packing workforce. 

Well, Elon and other billionaires will be fine. Elon even said people are going to have to endure a little bit of a hard time if Trump wins. Tariffs will absolutely touch every single consumer and business. But Trump, Elon, Bezos...they'll be fine. Just pull the lever, rubes.