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2 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Where you going to traffic the kids from? They've moved the packing plants to rural areas where there is nowhere near enough child labor available. 

I mean, they're already using child labor

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/25/1201524399/child-labor-perdue-farms-tyson-foods-investigation

 

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What a Crackdown on Immigration Could Mean for Cheap Milk - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

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When I mentioned to Pete Wiersma, the president of the Idaho Dairymen’s Association and no relation to Peter, that I’d read a study predicting that the price of milk would nearly double if foreign-born workers were removed from the industry, he shook his head.

“I don’t think there would be milk,” Wiersma said. “I just don’t think we could get it done.”

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I'm tired of everything being reacted to with "this is huge". It's up there with "_____ just destroyed Trump". 

Agree but we now live in a world where logic, reasoning and calm cool critical thinking has given way to emotions and the vibe. Really it’s always been this way to some extent but we have degraded all the logical things through our approach to education and now have all the digital/tech channels to amplify the emotional things.

Everything has to be turnt up so get used to it old man.
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22 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I'm tired of everything being reacted to with "this is huge". It's up there with "_____ just destroyed Trump". 

Yeah, locking down Puerto Rico's imaginary electoral votes is a step below huge.

 

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6 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

So if you are already need them cause your already short, what are you going to do when you make it a bunch shorter?

Probably lean more into slave prisoner labor, and use the #lawandorder fascist tactic to ensure plenty of free labor to the private prison system that we already have.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Oh look they caught the guy who was setting fire to ballot collection boxes in AZ

I thought it was ANTIFA????

 

 

 

Exactly what I would have produced if asked to sketch the perp without any additional info.

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

So like I been saying

1) It is possible but unlikely that the pollsters are materially underestimating Trump again
2)It is possible but somewhat less likely that the pollsters are bang on the actual results
3) It is possible that the pollsters are underestimating harris and somewhat more likely than 1 or 2. 

 

Yeah, I'm sorry, historical trends from the 20th century just aren't relevant. Different world, and Trump and Cult 45 are different beasts than anything observed in that window.

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2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Probably lean more into slave prisoner labor, and use the #lawandorder fascist tactic to ensure plenty of free labor to the private prison system that we already have.

Going to need a lot of screws to keep an eye on all the guys with reciprocating knives. 

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I work with a large group of Puerto Ricans (mostly women) in Killeen (no I don't live there), and they're wonderful people. I have gone to so many potlucks thrown by someone's boricua abuela that I've lost count. Most of them are huge normies but some lean to the right, or are at the very least extremely susceptible to right wing propaganda as they tend to be very family oriented and thus are vulnerable to right wing agitprop about "leftists" trying to destroy the family unit.

I remember going and speaking with some of them one day at the office and they were talking about the movie Sound of Freedom...how sad it made them and how we need to do more to combat human trafficking etc etc. I spent probably 45 minutes explaining to them exactly who Tim Ballard really was and I made a bet I need to collect on with one of the ladies about how he would be outed as a human trafficker within 5 years, guaranteed. It's just a very normie perspective within that community from what I've seen.

Of all the Puerto Ricans I have met, I would say probably around 30% of them were inclined to vote Trump for one reason or another, after that rally and all the texts and Facebook posts I've seen and people I've spoken to directly, I would say that number is probably under 10% now. They don't play around with shit like that, everyone I've spoken to is fucking PISSED about what that dipshit failed comic said.

If I'm right, a swing that large in a state like PA (which has what like half a million Puerto Ricans living in it?) would be absolutely devastating to Trump. What a huge blunder.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I would say probably around 30% of them were inclined to vote Trump for one reason or another, after that rally and all the texts and Facebook posts I've seen and people I've spoken to directly, I would say that number is probably under 10% now.

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If you end up in a discussion with someone about whether or not Trump is a fascist, here's a great read from a historian I like: https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/ 

It goes through some of the history of Germany and Italy, and is exclusively grounded in what Trump himself says, not what other people say about him. 

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1 minute ago, SeattleHorn said:

If you end up in a discussion with someone about whether or not Trump is a fascist, here's a great read from a historian I like: https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/ 

It goes through some of the history of Germany and Italy, and is exclusively grounded in what Trump himself says, not what other people say about him. 

Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism lays out a pretty damn striking set of identifying properties of a fascist:

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  1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
  2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
  3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
  4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
  5. "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
  6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
  7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society. Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
  8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
  9. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
  10. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
  11. "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
  12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".
  13. "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he alone dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".
  14. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

 

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27 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Where you going to traffic the kids from? They've moved the packing plants to rural areas where there is nowhere near enough child labor available. 

Pay attention to the three-step plan, which the Project 25 crew and SCOTUS together have made clear:

Require women (and we only mean "real American women," cuz we're gonna deport anyone darker than light-tan) to have lots more babies by:

1) outlawing abortion

2) banning contraception

3) remove their ability to get out of a relationship with a higher chance of pregnancy by banning no-fault divorce

 

That's how you get child labor.  You turn women into baby factories with no agency.  They aren't hiding this, these are openly stated goals.

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12 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

I am losing my motherfuking mind. I read this for 3 minutes and was thinking the second graph was bad for Harris.  I guess my mind is automatically going to something bad as a defense mechanism.  

Same.  Because it says Kamala Harris vs Donald Trump, but the actual graph is Trump vs Harris.  I wish I could say I was color blind but...

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Pay attention to the three-step plan, which the Project 25 crew and SCOTUS together have made clear:

Require women (and we only mean "real American women," cuz we're gonna deport anyone darker than light-tan) to have lots more babies by:

1) outlawing abortion

2) banning contraception

3) remove their ability to get out of a relationship with a higher chance of pregnancy by banning no-fault divorce

 

That's how you get child labor.  You turn women into baby factories with no agency.  They aren't hiding this, these are openly stated goals.

This.  They put it all in writing and Vance is the embodiment of it.

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20 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

I am losing my motherfuking mind. I read this for 3 minutes and was thinking the second graph was bad for Harris.  I guess my mind is automatically going to something bad as a defense mechanism.  

That and the crosstabs are fucky. Greater margin among men for Harris than for women? That's not happening.

anyway there's this:

 

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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Pay attention to the three-step plan, which the Project 25 crew and SCOTUS together have made clear:

Require women (and we only mean "real American women," cuz we're gonna deport anyone darker than light-tan) to have lots more babies by:

1) outlawing abortion

2) banning contraception

3) remove their ability to get out of a relationship with a higher chance of pregnancy by banning no-fault divorce

 

That's how you get child labor.  You turn women into baby factories with no agency.  They aren't hiding this, these are openly stated goals.

Sure but those kids are going need a few years til they have the required strength to work in the plants. 

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1 hour ago, The Dog said:

What the fuck?

 

Those numbers generally seem good to my unfrozen caveman eyes. Are they good?

ETA: Oh, I see it now .... the lack of a gender gap. LOL. This will be a historic gender gap.

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4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Broad brush calculations regarding Americans of Puerto Rican descent:  we are told there are 500K living in Pennsylvania.  Let's assume 75% of them (375K) are of voting age.  Let's assume 60% of them (225K) were already going to vote, a similar proportion to the national numbers in 2020.

That leaves 150K pissed off people who might now be energized to vote in the swingiest swing state of all.  Now, surely all are not registered to vote, but Biden's margin was 80K in 2020, so it's probably significant, regardless.

It's not just the Puerto Ricans who take it personally. You've got spouses, friends, inlaws, coworkers, Army buddies, any of whom might not themselves be counted in the ethnic group, but who would smack a MAGA bitch.

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Mildly interesting: Trump had an affair (that hasn't been reported on yet) before he was President and paid for the woman's abortion. The woman is a Black public figure from Texas, Tamron Hall. NBC had the information before the 2016 election but killed the story. https://www.interestingmysteries.com/p/the-rumor

 

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1 minute ago, Chopper said:

Mildly interesting: Trump had an affair (that hasn't been reported on yet) before he was President and paid for the woman's abortion. The woman is a Black public figure from Texas, Tamron Hall. NBC had the information before the 2016 election but killed the story. https://www.interestingmysteries.com/p/the-rumor

 

 

Tamron Hall?

 

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