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1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

PSA was split on it today. One of them mentioned that Rogan was upset that he didn't call out Trump on how good the Polio vaccine was at eradicating polio and that supposedly Rogan had documentation that said that it didn't. They thought that it wouldn't be worth it to spend all that time on a loon who is going to have some crazy off the wall idea that you aren't going to be prepared for and that clearly loves Trump especially with RFK Jr on board.

There is zero reason for her to go on Rogan. It will be a dumb interviewer trying to get her with gotchas and for an audience that won’t be voting for her regardless.

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

There is zero reason for her to go on Rogan. It will be a dumb interviewer trying to get her with gotchas and for an audience that won’t be voting for her regardless.

I agree with this. If Harrison needed a Hail Mary because she was so far behind I would say it was worth a risk. With the enthusiasm in her favor and Donald self-destructing in many ways, there is no reason for her to risk this.

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

There is zero reason for her to go on Rogan. It will be a dumb interviewer trying to get her with gotchas and for an audience that won’t be voting for her regardless.

 

I think that’s why her team isn’t rushing it or making it a priority. I think her internals are pretty good.

Also—as long as turnip keeps shooting himself in the foot, why even mess with Rogan?

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6 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

If it wasn't so catastrophic, and if I wasn't married and with a kid, I'd almost be dying for this shit to happen. Or if I was safe in another country. 

Well if we know one thing, it's that Trump promises are iron clad!

- on a serious note, how many people would die?  Hundreds of thousands over a decade?

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I agree with this. If Harrison needed a Hail Mary because she was so far behind I would say it was worth a risk. With the enthusiasm in her favor and Donald self-destructing in many ways, there is no reason for her to risk this.

Yeah these fucking october surprises worry me more than getting a vote or two delta this would bring. 3 hours can exhaust any candidate to make a mistake (except Donny because he always makes mistakes so why give a shit)

We are now in GOTV mode, coordinate with people you know will vote dem and offer them a ride if you have to.

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24 minutes ago, Pancho said:

I keep seeing Mike Johnson admitted to the NYT that he and turnip have a plan for the election, but I can’t find this article.

PSA mentioned an interview he gave where he admits it but won't say what it is because "a secret, by definition, is not something you share" or somesuch. 

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Three hours in Austin a week from the election is not worth it for her. I can also see it not being worth it for him to go to DC or wherever outside of his own studio. She doesn't need it, not does he, all it would be is a bunch of rage bait listeners with no upside for her. 

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33 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Has this been posted? This video seems like it was made by someone who doesn’t live in the United States.

 

The original spanish version actually got very popular in Miami four years ago. I hate to admit it, but it slaps.

20 minutes ago, The Dog said:

found the Suffolk one: https://www.suffolk.edu/news-features/news/2024/10/21/16/00/suprc-national-poll-10-21

That was nine days ago. 

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Gov. Tim Walz to visit Asheville Oct. 30 (citizen-times.com)

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ASHEVILLE - Minnesota Governor and vice-presidential candidate Tim Walz will visit Asheville on Oct. 30, about a month after flooding from Tropical Storm Helene caused devastation to much of Western North Carolina, his campaign announced Oct. 28.

Before making his way to Asheville, Walz will also be participating in political events in Charlotte on Oct. 29 and Greensboro on Oct. 30. The series of events are meant to "encourage North Carolinians to vote early for Vice President Harris and Democrats up and down the ballot," his campaign said.

 

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3 minutes ago, linux said:

Yeah these fucking october surprises worry me more than getting a vote or two delta this would bring. 3 hours can exhaust any candidate to make a mistake (except Donny because he always makes mistakes so why give a shit)

We are now in GOTV mode, coordinate with people you know will vote dem and offer them a ride if you have to.

I was pretty neutral on whether she go on Rogan. I know there is some concern that it would serve to validate him as legitimate media.  I just don't know his show well enough to have an opinion on that.  

But traveling there and then doing three hours live? No fucking way.  That's not "going on his show" anymore, that's kissing the ring.  It's more than she would give to any other media outlet, whether that's straight news or a talk show.  And that, alone, would get noticed and would be written about.  And she'd look weak.  It's not the same rules for Donald Trump.  It's not the same rules for men. 

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The podcaster who provoked an angry backlash against Donald Trump’s campaign with a racist joke about Puerto Rico reportedly tested out the gags at a comedy club the night before delivering them at Sunday’s televised rally at Madison Square Garden.

Tony Hinchcliffe, whose 11-minute set has thrown Trump’s team into damage-limitation mode a week before the presidential election, made the same quip, calling the territory “a floating island of garbage”, at the Stand club in New York on Saturday, according to NBC.

 

The joke bombed, drawing just a few awkward chuckles, NBC said, citing one of its own producers and three audience members.

Hinchcliffe, who told patrons several times that he would be performing at Trump’s rally, responded by saying he hoped it would get a better reaction the following day.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/29/trump-rally-puerto-rico-joke

 

Thank you!

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The podcaster who provoked an angry backlash against Donald Trump’s campaign with a racist joke about Puerto Rico reportedly tested out the gags at a comedy club the night before delivering them at Sunday’s televised rally at Madison Square Garden.

Tony Hinchcliffe, whose 11-minute set has thrown Trump’s team into damage-limitation mode a week before the presidential election, made the same quip, calling the territory “a floating island of garbage”, at the Stand club in New York on Saturday, according to NBC.

 

The joke bombed, drawing just a few awkward chuckles, NBC said, citing one of its own producers and three audience members.

Hinchcliffe, who told patrons several times that he would be performing at Trump’s rally, responded by saying he hoped it would get a better reaction the following day.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/29/trump-rally-puerto-rico-joke

 

Thank you!

You know, with a more racist crowd. 

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7 minutes ago, linux said:

The podcaster who provoked an angry backlash against Donald Trump’s campaign with a racist joke about Puerto Rico reportedly tested out the gags at a comedy club the night before delivering them at Sunday’s televised rally at Madison Square Garden.

Tony Hinchcliffe, whose 11-minute set has thrown Trump’s team into damage-limitation mode a week before the presidential election, made the same quip, calling the territory “a floating island of garbage”, at the Stand club in New York on Saturday, according to NBC.

 

The joke bombed, drawing just a few awkward chuckles, NBC said, citing one of its own producers and three audience members.

Hinchcliffe, who told patrons several times that he would be performing at Trump’s rally, responded by saying he hoped it would get a better reaction the following day.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/29/trump-rally-puerto-rico-joke

 

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continues to bottle the mind how anyone could really believe that trumpco didn't fully endorse the joke - the fuckin thing was on the teleprompter!

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6 hours ago, immamac said:

Cool cool so I hang out with fascists and they are overwhelmingly and rabidly engaged because hate trumps love and no one actually cares about their basic human rights being taken away. 

Good conversation. Much appreciated, I wonder why people don't like engaging with you. Your position is terrible and it's not everyone's perogative to be a fully engaged voter. A lot of people don't realize how bad trump is because they spend almost no time thinking about it or what it means to them. They are busy doing other shit and thinking about what's around them. 

The most these people think about politics is when I bring it up. These aren't people who follow the news, these are people who watch sportscenter, mute political ads and try to figure out the latest scoop on their fantasy roster. Stop equating people like that to fascists, they are just uninformed and intentionally avoid it. It's my job as a friend to talk about shit they may not wanna talk about, it's not to berate them and call them a fascist who wants to deport all the brown people. Pull your head out of your ass. 

Most of the dumbfucks in my neck of the rural woods are more concerned about what their male counterparts think of them, than they do the women they choose to marry.  Most of them will vote for Trump because to do otherwise will make them unpopular, or affect the possibility of Cletus, Jr starting on the 6 man squad next year.  Hell Trump is an easy sell since he's all about keeping those bitches barefoot and in the kitchen.  So at the heart of all that is their insecurity, which all this hate and fear feed endlessly.  

2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Sure I would to. And we were in that system before Republicans massively started slashing taxes. And they will do so again once in power. No amount of cuts will fix it.

Every Dem administration has left a good economy moving in the right direction and even balanced budgets and reduced deficits, only to have a Republican admin come in and fuck things up all over again.

37 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Uh, do we know that? Plenty of former Democrats turned Cult 45 members that have never bothered to update their registration.

In Texas there is no party registration.  Campaigns and others get a person's leanings from which primary they voted in.  I imagine that's the parameter even in states that do register, party wise.

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So Trump did not apologize and instead played the JD Vance angle of "I have not heard the joke!"

Just a reminder that he did "apologize" (like for the first and only time in his adult life) about grabbing them by the pussy, because back then he thought he could win, right now his only shot is doubling down on fascism its a hail mary.

 

"

US presidential candidate Donald Trump has apologised for obscene comments about women he made in a newly released videotape from 2005.

Mr Trump said that "these words don't reflect who I am... I apologise"."

 

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3 hours ago, Captainant said:

Umberto Eco's Ur-Fascism lays out a pretty damn striking set of identifying properties of a fascist:

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  1. "The cult of tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
  2. "The rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
  3. "The cult of action for action's sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
  4. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
  5. "Fear of difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
  6. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
  7. "Obsession with a plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society. Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
  8. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak". On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
  9. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
  10. "Contempt for the weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
  11. "Everybody is educated to become a hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."
  12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".
  13. "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he alone dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people".
  14. "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

 

Ur-Fascism? Sounds more like Ur-Aggyism.

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23 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

She's always fucking mad.

I also don't understand why she thinks women matter to the gop at all anymore. The ones still voting trump aren't changing their minds. And how does insulting Puerto Ricans have anything to do with women voters in general? The women who show up to those rallys hate "foreigners" from PR anyway.

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2 hours ago, Serak The Preparer said:

  

 

 

Replying only because I suspect a significant number of posters have Ana on ignore, just an important reminder that it's not just @tx 3 putt who posts semi-random tweets that may or may not be bullshit. Always good to be a little suspicious about news we want to see.

lot of fuckery going on 

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2 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

That gay comedian who was going all Nazi on Puerto Ricans is one of Rogan's best friends. 

So Rogan has him on and just lets him ramble all of his demented nonsense for 3 hours, then his friend and comedian that's a part of Rogan's stable of comedians goes full Hitler at a trump rally in New York? 

Are they just incredible stupid or are they trying to sabotage him?

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9 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Saying Hate doesn’t energize people is a fallacy. Hope energizes you because you’re a good person not filled with hate. If a majority of America were that way, we wouldn’t be here. But at this point in don’t think anyone can say Americans aren’t at least 50% filled to the brim with grievances. And those people lash out. And these days voting is a mechanism to lash out. 
 

I hope you’re right, but In far from certain, much less confident. 

Festivus!!!

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