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2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.


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14 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Either I spend way too much time in the surly bubble, or this is wildy off the mark.

Yeah I haven't noticed that at all.

But what do I know? Everybody around me is certainly as engaged as 2020. But I am a workhorse politically. I just plod along voting in every election. I am not one of those types who only shows up when I think it matters. Hell many elections I vote in I barely care enough to check the results, I just educate myself enough to have an opinion.

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2 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Yeah I haven't noticed that at all.

But what do I know? Everybody around me is certainly as engaged as 2020. But I am a workhorse politically. I just plod along voting in every election. I am not one of those types who only shows up when I think it matters. Hell many elections I vote in I barely care enough to check the results, I just educate myself enough to have an opinion.

I don't even do that any more. I just vote for Democrats.

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32 minutes ago, berlinerbaer said:

Yeah there was this whole thing with the Cheneys a couple of weeks back that we don't need to revisit.

Accepting an endorsement is different than accepting them at the table though. Before an election all are welcome, after the election we need to permanently move the overton window.

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12 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Friend of mine from high school is a Mormon and he added me to a message group of mostly LDS people focused on canvassing and voting for Trump.  Good group of people. Here's what one of them just posted today...

 

"LDS for Harris crew said that in 2016 Utah county (where BYU is) was 80/20 Rep. In 2020 it was closer to 70/30, in 2024 it is closer to 50/50. Utah still won't go blue - but praying that the mormons turn up HUGELY to vote Harris in Arizona/Nevada - at least 1 of those needs to go blue...preferrably both."

I'm confused by this group's focus, the suggestion it is a good group, and the quoted message. These seem incongruent to me. 

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Just now, Reynolds Woodcock said:

I thought we were told to only pay attention to Ralston in Nevada and ignore the polls? 

Ralston *as of early next week* when he makes his prediction.  He's currently providing insight daily based on incomplete data.

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35 minutes ago, Clintonaldo said:

One of my friends brought this up and I said the same thing about the 200 million and his response was it will suck when the farmer dies and his family gets hit with that tax bill. I laughed and said you obviously haven’t been a farmer if you think they are sitting on that unrealized gain. 

Homes are exempt, and you also are exempt if (IIRC) 80%+ of your stock is in one company (ie you started your own business and took it public). So dumb that anyone worth less than a billion cares at all about this.

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21 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Well, lots of elections are non-partisan or are for the bond or proposition to do whatever.

I actually had a non partisan position for manager of the county rock quarry, that I didn't even know existed.  As you can imagine, it was unopposed.  I'm thinking of running for it next time as my name would appear first alphabetically.  I'm sure my management style of doing nothing wouldn't raise many eyebrows.  

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1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

If you're a decent person and love your country, but your spouse is a hard core insurrectionist and hate monger, I mean, how do you maintain respect for them?

 

1 hour ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I wouldn’t be able to. My husband and I talked about this, we don’t think the marriage would survive if one of us was a hard core MAGAt

My wife and I have had the same conversation and are similarly perplexed how people like @BurntOrange&White manage it.  

 

38 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

A couple of years ago I read Mademoiselle by Rhonda Garelick (Chanel biography) which really talked about the rise of facism in Europe in the 20s and 30s (and how it reared its head in the US as well), and it was fascinating. A lot of rich, powerful people bought all in then, and they are buying in now.

You should read up on how Iran went from the most Western friendly nation in the Middle East to 40 years of religious terrorism under the theocracy.  One crucial step was the wealthy elites thought, after the Shah fled, “it’s okay, we can control Khomeini.”   Most of them would end up fleeing themselves or in prison.  So not entirely the same but another example of unforeseen consequences.  
 

The lesson should be that we don’t want kings in this country, whether by divine right or anointed by the market.

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14 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

My wife and I have had the same conversation and are similarly perplexed how people like @BurntOrange&White manage it.

My wife doesn’t discuss politics publicly, like she doesn’t post or repost the shit that generally gets circulated. She’s pro choice and she hates Ted Cruz. She also hates how politicians in Texas treat education and hates the idea of vouchers, she’s a public school teacher. Together we don’t really discuss politics to each other unless we happen to see something on the news. I personally think she’s more liberal than she realizes but I just let her be. Not going to let politics affect our marriage because we’re both happy. I just have an understanding under Trumps project 2025 she’s essentially my commodity(joke). 

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My wife doesn’t discuss politics publicly, like she doesn’t post or repost the shit that generally gets circulated. She’s pro choice and she hates Ted Cruz. She also hates how politicians in Texas treat education and hates the idea of vouchers, she’s a public school teacher. Together we don’t really discuss politics to each other unless we happen to see something on the news. I personally think she’s more liberal than she realizes but I just let her be. Not going to let politics affect our marriage because we’re both happy. I just have an understanding under Trumps project 2025 she’s essentially my commodity(joke). 

This is what the home dynamic looks like:

 

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4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I had an acquaintance mention that he was for Trump because Trump will blow up the federal govt and then it can be built back. I didn’t care enough to ask him to expand on the details. 

I have more then one wealthy friend--who the "system" has assisted to get them to their current success at near every turn--who are voting for Trump as the "disruptor" candidate who they want to tear it all down.

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What a Crackdown on Immigration Could Mean for Cheap Milk - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

When I mentioned to Pete Wiersma, the president of the Idaho Dairymen’s Association and no relation to Peter, that I’d read a study predicting that the price of milk would nearly double if foreign-born workers were removed from the industry, he shook his head.

“I don’t think there would be milk,” Wiersma said. “I just don’t think we could get it done.”

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I call dibs on “Milking Parlor” for my band name.

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