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Huckleberry

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8 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I want to believe.

How are they getting it so wrong, though? Like, how exactly are their methods failing?

Modern poll response is tilted towards the loudest and most fanatic voters. Who else is likely to waste time responding to a poll?  Response rates are terrible as @quigley has discussed; polls are basically calling 25-50 people on average until someone finally decides to respond to a political poll.  In 2016 #ImWithHer or whatever was a loud movement and there weren't as many fervent MAGAts as there are now. 

In 2024 Trumpers have more loud and obnoxious supporters and the people who are tired of all the shit will break for Harris.

That's one theory anyway. 

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I always check three times.
I vote, go over it again.
The I review my choices on the review screen.
Then I print and go over it again.
Mostly to see if I committed any user errors. Wouldn't want to try to vote for Al Gore and accidentally vote for Pat Buchanan or anything.


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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I had an acquaintance mention that he was for Trump because Trump will blow up the federal govt and then it can be built back.

The Pod Save America guys talked themselves out of recommending Kamala appear on Rogan* and responding to this kind belief is a good example of how they are wrong.  
 

*they said it was because Rogan will start bringing up bullshit “data” in support of anti-vax and she would get bogged down in it.  I haven’t heard them be so protective of her previously-I think you gotta let her cook.  
 

In regards to the “you’ve got to destroy it to save it” rhetoric, I think that should be such a layup I’m just shocked she’s not frothing at the opportunity.  That said, it speaks to the failure of the party (this isn’t on her) to better articulate a counter to “Make America Great Again” as a vision of what it DOES need to look like. 

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1 hour ago, Dbeasy said:

This thread moves with breathtaking speed. There’s no way to keep up. 

Using terms like Fascism and Fascist is a waste of breath. Trump voters are too dumb to know what that means. They have no idea what you are referencing. 

Weird worked great.  I wish the campaign had kept with it.

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13 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Modern poll response is tilted towards the loudest and most fanatic voters. Who else is likely to waste time responding to a poll?  Response rates are terrible as @quigley has discussed; polls are basically calling 25-50 people on average until someone finally decides to respond to a political poll.  In 2016 #ImWithHer or whatever was a loud movement and there weren't as many fervent MAGAts as there are now. 

In 2024 Trumpers have more loud and obnoxious supporters and the people who are tired of all the shit will break for Harris.

That's one theory anyway. 

Some of these polls have trouble getting enough people to respond to even be valid.  They need roughly 800-1000 people and it's a struggle.

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Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I still think it is funny that that MAGA crowd, which largely hail from Staten Island, laughed about a joke about an island of garbage in the ocean...considering Staten Island was home to the largest landfill in the world (Google Fresh Kills). Fucking idiots.

Fits in perfectly with the "every accusation is a confession" phenomenon that is central to maga. 

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42 minutes ago, Stros121 said:

 

All the pearl clutching is really getting tiresome. Especially as, in fact, at this point we kind of want the Republicans to not turn down the rhetoric. We want them to let their freak flag fly.

Anyway Joe shouldn't say mean things about the voters. I think he was talking about the supporters making the comments. But, you know, whatever gets you excited. Biden probably helped your team out there a bit.

DNC state run media. LOL.

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Some of these polls have trouble getting enough people to respond to even be valid.  They need roughly 800-1000 people and it's a struggle.

If anyone is serious about polling in the future, the way it's heading, they are going to have to vett and pay pollees.  That is really the only way I can see you getting real representative polling.  It seems any asshole can just make a poll up these days and someone will point to it, no matter the bonafides, no one seems to be in a hurry to adopt that sort of model.  

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15 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Gosh, I'm just SHOCKED that Wesley Hunt posted a misleading and shortened clip! 

 

Yeah. He was clearly only talking about the dude making the comments. He says "his supporter's demonization of Latinos is unconscionable" as in this one supporters demonization. That doesn't track that he is saying that every single supporter of Trump demonized Latinos. You have to really be a dishonest fuck to interpret it that way.

Ah well. Welcome to the internet.

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1 minute ago, quigley said:

I hate to agree with this person, but this was a own goal by Biden. Distracts from Harris and distracts from Trump lighting himself on fire.

Yeah, really overshadows the entire Republican leadership calling people trash.  

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Just now, BamaATL said:

Yeah, really overshadows the entire Republican leadership calling people trash.  

I hate it too, and I see how superficial it is, but it allow Fox and WaPo and CNN to both-sides the situation.

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Just now, quigley said:

I hate it too, and I see how superficial it is, but it allow Fox and WaPo and CNN to both-sides the situation.

No one gives a shit what Biden says or does anymore.  Shouldn't be that way, he is the President for the next 3 months no matter, but absolutely no one cares.   He literally doesn't move the meter one bit.  

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Trump calls some people by funny names, but NEVER denigrates all people in a state or in the USA. 

Hillary can call half the country deplorable, Biden can call them garbage and the news can call them Nazi's. How is that even right or bringing the country together?

 

From a Facebook post. "Funny names" JFC 

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7 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

And he's wrong how?

He is wrong. Biden was not calling every single supporter of Trump garbage. He was using a possessive s to discuss his demonization of Latinos. People are ignoring that and considering it a plural.

 

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4 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

From a Facebook post. "Funny names" JFC 

And it is a lie. Biden did not call all of Trump's supporters garbage. He was referring to one supporter's actions. That is clear.

But the possessive 's' is enough I guess. A fragment of a sentence, that requires one to ignore the second half.

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