2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[mdmost 42999]

She can get to 270 without any states that would be an issue like North Carolina, Arizona, and Georgia. I could be wrong but if states choose to not certify, they just lose their electoral slate and her threshold becomes even less that she needs to achieve. Plus, Democrats aren't going to fuck around with lawyering this time either. Marc Elias is already fucking MAGA up in court. He won't stop. But honestly, thwart the will of a majority of Americans and see what fucking happens.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

The memo they put together on the last coup depended a lot on holding those levers already. There was the part about "just declare it fraud, don't ask permission, make the D's complain and bring it to the courts, where they've already said its non justiciable."

That requires you to be the one "declaring."  D's in power make that harder. 

Of course, they are brainstorming that stuff all the time, but my bet is it is much much harder when you don't hold any of the key offices.

[TeeDubya 3362]

2 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I wonder if these two dickheads survived Covid…

Hope not…

 

Guess I could peruse /HermanCainAward on Reddit….

[Pods 7551]

PA wins it either way. 

Edited November 6 by Pods

[InkaUtexas 25857]

Just had a call that made my day. It was otherwise a pretty shitty day. @Brisketexan I think will appreciate this with the work he has done with immigrants.

My interpreter from Afghanistan called. He is now a US Citizen (last year) and doing well. Bought a house, wife is about to get her associates, he owns his own long haul truck. Dude knows this country better than most born here.

He calls me from Montana. "Boss, do I have to vote? I mean, will the arrest me? Do I get fined? Everyone is telling me who to vote for."

"Nope I tell him, but it is your right to do it and as a citizen you should exercise all your rights. You learned about them when you took the class, and to me, voting is the most important right. It is not the President vote only, it is the school district, the mayor, everything that impacts your community. And (insert name) I am not going to tell you who I am voting for. Nor who I think you should vote for. I know you listen to the radio on your long hauls, so this is your choice. What matters to you."

"Before I can answer he says his wife finishing her education. She wants to be a teacher. But she is afraid to go vote. She sees the media portraying it for some free for all."

"Not at all I tell him. It is your community. It is an experience. It is part of our nation. You should experience it."

"OK, well I will not be back until late Monday," he says.

"No problem, take Tuesday off, and make a day out of it the two of you. And if you are unsure where to go let me know, I will drive down to San Antonio, figure out your voting location, and take you both. It would be an honor to see that happen."

"Deal. Did your kids vote?" he asks.

"Yep, and I did not ask them who for. I am just glad they voted and care. In fact I don't talk about politics with my father, and we both voted."

I look forward to Monday. If he needs me to take him I will be happy to do so.

It would  have been easy to tell him what I think, what he shoudl do, etc. But no, that is on him. I suggested he and his wife look at the League of Woman Voters for a start into their local candidates. These two only know the chaos of a vote in Afghanistan. It will be interesting to see what they think and I am so happy he trusted me.

Hook em.

 

[Hermanator 7032]

7 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

15 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I've been thinking about this but I think we're going to be dealing with a "legal coup".
I think Harris wins. But on election night Trump will declare victory. Trump supporters in government from Trump states will refuse to certify and try to send alternate electors. The case will go to the supreme court. That's when the tipping point gets tested. 
If the Supreme Court is in the bag 5-4 to support a coup they will rule it constitutional and then we have what? A civil war? Harris as the rightful winner won't step aside. Trump won't step down. The court will be rightfully called into question as corrupt. It'll be a standoff. Political violence will flow. We'll lose democracy as we know it if that happens. 
The question is will all 5 republican aligned supreme court justices side with the coup. That's where this will come to a head. 
 

What states will Harris win that have Trump supporters in government?

Wisconsin. Georgia possibly. North Carolina. Arizona. 

[Hermanator 7032]

6 minutes ago, linux said:

Again you are worrying about the wrong things Donald Trump did this in 2020, the end result was a farce and a joke, don't waste time worrying about THE victory condition. The question will be what will be the punishment for the second coup attempt.

They've had 4 years to get it improved this time. 

They're going to try it. 

[Surly Bevo 24908]

I know it won’t happen this year of course but would love to get back to where a Presidential election had a proper election night concession. Since I have been old enough to vote I’ve seen it like 3 times. 

[Biff Tannen 45663]

9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

She can get to 270 without any states that would be an issue like North Carolina, Arizona, and Georgia. I could be wrong but if states choose to not certify, they just lose their electoral slate and her threshold becomes even less that she needs to achieve. Plus, Democrats aren't going to fuck around with lawyering this time either. Marc Elias is already fucking MAGA up in court. He won't stop. But honestly, thwart the will of a majority of Americans and see what fucking happens.

Yep. We clarified this a couple of dozen pages ago. @Bateshorn @Js1

[hayden_horn 11362]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

That story came out in the first dotard term.  And that picture had my favorite caption of the entire time:  "That spider looks delicious" (or something close to that anyway)

 

I remember it as "mmm that spider is almost big enough to eat" and I still laugh about it to this goddamn day

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

14 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

22 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I've been thinking about this but I think we're going to be dealing with a "legal coup".
I think Harris wins. But on election night Trump will declare victory. Trump supporters in government from Trump states will refuse to certify and try to send alternate electors. The case will go to the supreme court. That's when the tipping point gets tested. 
If the Supreme Court is in the bag 5-4 to support a coup they will rule it constitutional and then we have what? A civil war? Harris as the rightful winner won't step aside. Trump won't step down. The court will be rightfully called into question as corrupt. It'll be a standoff. Political violence will flow. We'll lose democracy as we know it if that happens. 
The question is will all 5 republican aligned supreme court justices side with the coup. That's where this will come to a head. 
 

What states will Harris win that have Trump supporters in government?

Pennsylvania Georgia Arizona Nevada North Carolina Florida 

[F250 28762]

2 hours ago, quigley said:

I hate to agree with this person, but this was a own goal by Biden. Distracts from Harris and distracts from Trump lighting himself on fire.

I actually did notice your bullshit earlier but still.

[Biff Tannen 45663]

9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Just had a call that made my day. It was otherwise a pretty shitty day. @Brisketexan I think will appreciate this with the work he has done with immigrants.

My interpreter from Afghanistan called. He is now a US Citizen (last year) and doing well. Bought a house, wife is about to get her associates, he owns his own long haul truck. Dude knows this country better than most born here.

He calls me from Montana. "Boss, do I have to vote? I mean, will the arrest me? Do I get fined? Everyone is telling me who to vote for."

"Nope I tell him, but it is your right to do it and as a citizen you should exercise all your rights. You learned about them when you took the class, and to me, voting is the most important right. It is not the President vote only, it is the school district, the mayor, everything that impacts your community. And (insert name) I am not going to tell you who I am voting for. Nor who I think you should vote for. I know you listen to the radio on your long hauls, so this is your choice. What matters to you."

"Before I can answer he says his wife finishing her education. She wants to be a teacher. But she is afraid to go vote. She sees the media portraying it for some free for all."

"Not at all I tell him. It is your community. It is an experience. It is part of our nation. You should experience it."

"OK, well I will not be back until late Monday," he says.

"No problem, take Tuesday off, and make a day out of it the two of you. And if you are unsure where to go let me know, I will drive down to San Antonio, figure out your voting location, and take you both. It would be an honor to see that happen."

"Deal. Did your kids vote?" he asks.

"Yep, and I did not ask them who for. I am just glad they voted and care. In fact I don't talk about politics with my father, and we both voted."

I look forward to Monday. If he needs me to take him I will be happy to do so.

It would  have been easy to tell him what I think, what he shoudl do, etc. But no, that is on him. I suggested he and his wife look at the League of Woman Voters for a start into their local candidates. These two only know the chaos of a vote in Afghanistan. It will be interesting to see what they think and I am so happy he trusted me.

Hook em.

 

God damn that’s great. Good on you man. And good on them. Fucked up that they are afraid, but so good of you to assuage those fears. 

4 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

I remember it as "mmm that spider is almost big enough to eat" and I still laugh about it to this goddamn day

That was it!  Well done. 

[linux 1660]

11 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

They've had 4 years to get it improved this time. 

They're going to try it. 

Dude I have studied dozens of coup attempts, you need the military full stop for any of them to succeed.

[Chopper 17230]

3 hours ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

Fuck it, I recommend this podcast that I just heard today to take some of the edge off.  Bill Wither's lovely day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008mj7p

Thanks for this. That was great. Withers has always been one of my favorites. The story in the podcast the guy had about his interest in kids who stutter was touching. Withers has said he didn't stop stuttering until he realized he'd never develop the courage to quit the Navy if he didn't stop stuttering. For the cover of his first album he met the photographer on his lunch hour. The lunch pail he's holding is the one he took to work that day, at an airline parts manufacturer, just like a normal day. Bill Withers came out of nowhere to record that album. And if you're old enough to know what a 45 is, "Ain't No Sunshine" was the B side that became a hit. When he recorded it, he hadn't yet finished the lyrics, that's how new he was to the business. And that's why he sings "I know" over and over. It was just a place holder, or meant to be, Withers thought. But the producer liked it so they shipped the record with it like that. Thankfully he was smart enough to keep the publishing rights for the music he wrote, and also not give up any portion of the writing credits, so even though the music business fucked him around he did extremely well. He wrote and recorded some of the best music ever. RIP. 

 

2 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

seen in my hood today

 

http://i.imgur.com/wkS3nqp.jpeg

 

link didn't work, figured it out   http://i.imgur.com/wkS3nqp

 

Edited October 30 by Chopper

[InkaUtexas 25857]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

God damn that’s great. Good on you man. And good on them. Fucked up that they are afraid, but so good of you to assuage those fears.

This is what an Afghan sees in our media. That is fucked up indeed. Kid is late 30's and kicking ass following the American dream. I would love it if he was my neighbor. Plus he can cook some damn fine bbq and his wife's bread is perfection. (I said bread you bastards, not breast.... )

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

2 hours ago, quigley said:

I hate to agree with this person, but this was a own goal by Biden. Distracts from Harris and distracts from Trump lighting himself on fire.

[Chopper 17230]

I don't believe this meme has made it over here yet. (?)

Spoiler

The Tejano singer Selena Quintanilla Pérez standing next to Yolanda Saldívar, her manager who stole from Selena and eventually murdered her. Selena is labeled “Latinos” while Saldívar is labeled “Latinos 4 Trump.”

If that one is too subtle, here's another.

[BamaATL 16593]

28 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Just had a call that made my day. It was otherwise a pretty shitty day. @Brisketexan I think will appreciate this with the work he has done with immigrants.

My interpreter from Afghanistan called. He is now a US Citizen (last year) and doing well. Bought a house, wife is about to get her associates, he owns his own long haul truck. Dude knows this country better than most born here.

He calls me from Montana. "Boss, do I have to vote? I mean, will the arrest me? Do I get fined? Everyone is telling me who to vote for."

"Nope I tell him, but it is your right to do it and as a citizen you should exercise all your rights. You learned about them when you took the class, and to me, voting is the most important right. It is not the President vote only, it is the school district, the mayor, everything that impacts your community. And (insert name) I am not going to tell you who I am voting for. Nor who I think you should vote for. I know you listen to the radio on your long hauls, so this is your choice. What matters to you."

"Before I can answer he says his wife finishing her education. She wants to be a teacher. But she is afraid to go vote. She sees the media portraying it for some free for all."

"Not at all I tell him. It is your community. It is an experience. It is part of our nation. You should experience it."

"OK, well I will not be back until late Monday," he says.

"No problem, take Tuesday off, and make a day out of it the two of you. And if you are unsure where to go let me know, I will drive down to San Antonio, figure out your voting location, and take you both. It would be an honor to see that happen."

"Deal. Did your kids vote?" he asks.

"Yep, and I did not ask them who for. I am just glad they voted and care. In fact I don't talk about politics with my father, and we both voted."

I look forward to Monday. If he needs me to take him I will be happy to do so.

It would  have been easy to tell him what I think, what he shoudl do, etc. But no, that is on him. I suggested he and his wife look at the League of Woman Voters for a start into their local candidates. These two only know the chaos of a vote in Afghanistan. It will be interesting to see what they think and I am so happy he trusted me.

Hook em.

 

Best story I've read all day.  Thank you.  

[Tuco 5076]

4 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

I believe there is a whole separate crowd over closer to the Washington Monument that is not included in this shot. But I’m not familiar with the area so if anyone can speak to that please chime in. 

This is such Trump bait.  He is going to have to talk about how his Jan 6th crowd was bigger.  He is going to brag about Jan 6th and his role in it a week before the election. 

[BamaATL 16593]

4 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Best story I've read all day.  Thank you.  

Be sure to tell your friend that he has support from your weirdo online friends who are proud and honored to have him here.  

[gmr548 16576]

6 hours ago, Upgrayedd said:

On my flight this morning, was talking with the dude in my row (we were basically same age).  Topic was business, the economy, which turned to politics.

He said to me he couldn’t get behind Harris because she wants to tax unrealized gains in 401Ks.

Me: ??????

“Its true, look it up.”

I break out my IPad and take advantage of the 1 out of 3 SWA flights WiFi is working on.

”You mean the proposal aimed at individuals with over $200MM in assets?  (Shows him table).  “If you have that kind of money, why you flying SWA?”

Silence.  ”Think the Yankees gonna get swept?”

For one, that is so dumb. The whole point of a 401k is tax-free growth. Even if she wanted to (she doesn't) enact that political deathwish of a policy, such legislation would never pass.

For two, even if she did, you can tolerate... *gestures broadly at Trump* but not a hypothetical tax on capital gains in SWA-flying 401k?

[InkaUtexas 25857]

Just now, BamaATL said:

Be sure to tell your friend that he has support from your weirdo online friends who are proud and honored to have him here.  

Will do. Trying to get help him and his friends start up Three Terp Trucking. If you ever see jingo trucks hauling ass on I10 or up north buy them a coffee. All three worked with US special forces at some point.

 

[TeeDubya 3362]

39 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Just had a call that made my day. It was otherwise a pretty shitty day. @Brisketexan I think will appreciate this with the work he has done with immigrants.

My interpreter from Afghanistan called. He is now a US Citizen (last year) and doing well. Bought a house, wife is about to get her associates, he owns his own long haul truck. Dude knows this country better than most born here.

He calls me from Montana. "Boss, do I have to vote? I mean, will the arrest me? Do I get fined? Everyone is telling me who to vote for."

"Nope I tell him, but it is your right to do it and as a citizen you should exercise all your rights. You learned about them when you took the class, and to me, voting is the most important right. It is not the President vote only, it is the school district, the mayor, everything that impacts your community. And (insert name) I am not going to tell you who I am voting for. Nor who I think you should vote for. I know you listen to the radio on your long hauls, so this is your choice. What matters to you."

"Before I can answer he says his wife finishing her education. She wants to be a teacher. But she is afraid to go vote. She sees the media portraying it for some free for all."

"Not at all I tell him. It is your community. It is an experience. It is part of our nation. You should experience it."

"OK, well I will not be back until late Monday," he says.

"No problem, take Tuesday off, and make a day out of it the two of you. And if you are unsure where to go let me know, I will drive down to San Antonio, figure out your voting location, and take you both. It would be an honor to see that happen."

"Deal. Did your kids vote?" he asks.

"Yep, and I did not ask them who for. I am just glad they voted and care. In fact I don't talk about politics with my father, and we both voted."

I look forward to Monday. If he needs me to take him I will be happy to do so.

It would  have been easy to tell him what I think, what he shoudl do, etc. But no, that is on him. I suggested he and his wife look at the League of Woman Voters for a start into their local candidates. These two only know the chaos of a vote in Afghanistan. It will be interesting to see what they think and I am so happy he trusted me.

Hook em.

 

😍😍🥰🇺🇸

[BamaATL 16593]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Will do. Trying to get help him and his friends start up Three Terp Trucking. If you ever see jingo trucks hauling ass on I10 or up north buy them a coffee. All three worked with US special forces at some point.

 

That's awesome, and I have no doubt they will find success here, not just in business but in life in general for their families.  Hopefully, you can get him hooked with something for veterans day.  

[Hank_Hill 18789]

42 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

They've had 4 years to get it improved this time. 

They're going to try it. 

DC has too. Let them try it

[Hermanator 7032]

17 minutes ago, linux said:

Dude I have studied dozens of coup attempts, you need the military full stop for any of them to succeed.

In an ordinary situation that's usually the case. In present day USA Trump Republicans have shown it's all about mucking up the system and exploiting it's inherent weaknesses.

So what happens if the Supreme Court, which has already shown favoritism towards trump with the ridiculous immunity bullshit, goes along with his legal coup attempt? What happens then? 

[Chopper 17230]

If you want to read a short, good and easy to understand article about polling I recommend https://goodauthority.org/news/election-poll-vote2024-data-pollster-choices-weighting/ written by a Vandy prof who specializes in polling. He explains why four basic choices pollsters have to make heavily effects the results of every poll. He uses a poll from last week to show how reasonable choices a pollster makes can impact the results they finally present by 8% points, which is larger than the margin of error.

Quote

After poll data are collected, pollsters must assess whether they need to adjust or “weight” the data to address the very real possibility that the people who took the poll differ from those who did not. This involves answering four questions:

1.   Do respondents match the electorate demographically in terms of sex, age, education, race, etc.? (This was a problem in 2016.)

2.   Do respondents match the electorate politically after the sample is adjusted by demographic factors? (This was the problem in 2020.)

3.   Which respondents will vote?

4.   Should the pollster trust the data?

. 

"This election year, are the polls virtually tied because voters are tied, because pollsters think the race is tied, or both?"

Edited October 30 by Chopper

[CTC2 2791]

35 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Thanks for this. That was great. Withers has always been one of my favorites. The story in the podcast the guy had about his interest in kids who stutter was touching. Withers has said he didn't stop stuttering until he realized he'd never develop the courage to quit the Navy if he didn't stop stuttering. For the cover of his first album he met the photographer on his lunch hour. The lunch pail he's holding is the one he took to work that day, at an airline parts manufacturer, just like a normal day. Bill Withers came out of nowhere to record that album. And if you're old enough to know what a 45 is, "Ain't No Sunshine" was the B side that became a hit. When he recorded it, he hadn't yet finished the lyrics, that's how new he was to the business. And that's why he sings "I know" over and over. It was just a place holder, or meant to be, Withers thought. But the producer liked it so they shipped the record with it like that. Thankfully he was smart enough to keep the publishing rights for the music he wrote, and also not give up any portion of the writing credits, so even though the music business fucked him around he did extremely well. He wrote and recorded some of the best music ever. RIP. 

 

link didn't work, figured it out   http://i.imgur.com/wkS3nqp

 

Live at Carnegie Hall is a masterpiece. 

[gmr548 16576]

4 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

AZ and TX absolutely do not have the same split

 

4 hours ago, BamaATL said:

It would appear that Texas is more competitive than Georgia.  Well ok then.  

 

4 hours ago, immamac said:

Texas 51/47 mixed in with the rest of that? Wtf. 

If there's a population where Trump has lost ground over the past four years it's college educated whites. That's a notably larger share of the population in TX than in GA or AZ. Texas has continued to import demos relatively unfriendly to Trump including college grads, young people, Asian people, etc.

Democrats losing ground with black and latino voters is obviously not helpful in TX, but especially with the latter Texas may have been the tip of the spear there. I don't know how much more slippage we'll see.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's not totally implausible based on Demographic makeup and of course the compounding negatives of Cruz and Trump that TX could fall into the same tilt R tier as GA and AZ seem destined for.

[Chopper 17230]

Can you imagine what 75,000 people could do at the Capitol? (Jan 6 had 20k less)

[Chopper 17230]

[atomheartbevo 89623]

10 hours ago, South Austin said:

When has this board ever been able to collectively decide anything?

I think we all came down on the same side in the Hall & Oates restraining order debacle.

[Tuco 5076]

19 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

In an ordinary situation that's usually the case. In present day USA Trump Republicans have shown it's all about mucking up the system and exploiting it's inherent weaknesses.

So what happens if the Supreme Court, which has already shown favoritism towards trump with the ridiculous immunity bullshit, goes along with his legal coup attempt? What happens then? 

I don't know man.  Is there something you think we can do before the election?  Because if not, I would probably table it until 1)we confirm that Harris got more votes and 2) that the same crack team that booked a press conference at a lawn care company has come up with some plausible means overthrowing the United States government.  

I have a hard time worrying about that compared to the possibility that a majority of Americans might actual favor the 2024 version of Trump to a competent campaign. A coup is a few hundred people, maybe.  But an election, that's a bigger deal.  

I think the good guys win, and win pretty comfortably.  But I am still going to be nervous for the next week. 

 

Edited October 30 by Tuco

[InkaUtexas 25857]

20 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

In an ordinary situation that's usually the case. In present day USA Trump Republicans have shown it's all about mucking up the system and exploiting it's inherent weaknesses.

So what happens if the Supreme Court, which has already shown favoritism towards trump with the ridiculous immunity bullshit, goes along with his legal coup attempt? What happens then? 

There are multiple cases of coups where the military was not involved, and in some instances taken by surprise. Peru with Fujimori's auto-coup is an example.

But I have been in meetings recently and there are quite a few civilians who are ready for it to happen and the military is sitting back watching. Scary fucking times.

[bluto 4912]

11 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

If there's a population where Trump has lost ground over the past four years it's college educated whites. That's a notably larger share of the population in TX than in GA or AZ. Texas has continued to import demos relatively unfriendly to Trump including college grads, young people, Asian people, etc.

Democrats losing ground with black and latino voters is obviously not helpful in TX, but especially with the latter Texas may have been the tip of the spear there. I don't know how much more slippage we'll see.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's not totally implausible based on Demographic makeup and of course the compounding negatives of Cruz and Trump that TX could fall into the same tilt R tier as GA and AZ seem destined for.

I’d venture a guess that the new Tx residents break maga by a solid 10-15 pts. That whole political self sorting hit hyper drive post covid. 

[CTC2 2791]

6 minutes ago, bluto said:

I’d venture a guess that the new Tx residents break maga by a solid 10-15 pts. That whole political self sorting hit hyper drive post covid. 

I had no idea until recently that a cottage industry exists in blue states which assist red hats in moving to Texas.  Freedom, amirite?

[atomheartbevo 89623]

8 hours ago, Hermanator said:

That gay comedian who was going all Nazi on Puerto Ricans is one of Rogan's best friends. 

So Rogan has him on and just lets him ramble all of his demented nonsense for 3 hours, then his friend and comedian that's a part of Rogan's stable of comedians goes full Hitler at a trump rally in New York? 

Are they just incredible stupid or are they trying to sabotage him?

Rogan will make more money from MAGA being upset and listening to him/calling in to him.  Grievance pays well.

But that's assuming Rogan understands that concept.

[linux 1660]

33 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

In an ordinary situation that's usually the case. In present day USA Trump Republicans have shown it's all about mucking up the system and exploiting it's inherent weaknesses.

So what happens if the Supreme Court, which has already shown favoritism towards trump with the ridiculous immunity bullshit, goes along with his legal coup attempt? What happens then? 

Then its obvious it is a judicial coup de etat and ignored, Power is transfered to Harris and the offending judges are removed, why are you sweating the easy part?

Do you honestly think the SCOTUS will rule that Trump won a fake election and the democrats are going to be herded wilingly to the gas chambers? If democrats comply then democracy is over and they are dead.

[atomheartbevo 89623]

8 hours ago, tx ind said:

She's on the MAGA hate fuck Mt. Rushmore with Habba, Boebert, and Ivanka.

What about Trish Regan, who was fired from Fox Business News  in 2020 over COVID conspiracy bullshit?

[C-Man 27184]

I mean this respectfully as possible but is sushihorn autistic?

I’ve met sushi but it was a long time ago. Does he even post here any more? Maybe he’s on the Stonks board where I never go.

For any of you who haven't seen the full 13+ minute cut of Popovich's response when asked about the election after Saturday's win over Rockets, here ya go. Enjoy ...
 

That’s my coach right there. #GSG

It's because Trump is embarrassing and uncouth and the Mormon Church is all about appearances. The majority of Mormons are still going to vote for him, they'll just do it quietly. 
I have a bunch of Mormon relatives. 4/5 Boomer generation are rabidly pro-Trump. Gen X/Y, 14/17 are rabidly pro-Trump. They're rural, so more comfortable with their vice signaling. 
There has been a significant exodus from the Mormon church over recent policies that relegate transgender members to second class citizens / lying to the SEC and covering up a $32 billion dollar investment fund / lying about Joseph Smith's polygamy, method of translation and history as a convicted "disreputable person" for treasure digging with the same rock he later claimed to translate the golden plates. 
The internet exposes what the church used to smother and hide. It's costing them a lot of members in the US. No one knows how many, but it's a lot and it's growing. The vast majority of ex-Mormons reject their Republican upbringing and vote Dem. 

Over the last five months, we’ve gotten to know a great group of folks from SLC from trips up there for a music fest and another show in Sept. All left the Mormon church 20+ years ago. The ability to look up the Church’s bullshit online is what spurred most of them to leave at that time. (I say this with full belief that all religion is bullshit — some are just older than others.)

[atomheartbevo 89623]

8 hours ago, dieucla98 said:

This is what we thought may happen after 2012 Obama with the Tea Party. Instead, it just created MAGA.

8 hours ago, Js1 said:

Yeah but the Tea Party absolutely hurt the GOP for a while in downballot races. Think Sharron Angle and Christine O’Donnell. 

The thing about the Tea Party is that the GOP subverted it fairly quickly, through Dick Armey/FreedomWorks and all that Koch Brothers money (while also using the Tea Party to steer the GOP).  A whole lot of Republicans who switched over to the "grass roots" Tea Party never thought about the money behind all of those rallies, speeches, the Glenn Beck bullshit, etc.  "Grass roots" does not pay for the kinds of shindigs they had.

Ironically, FreedomWorks shut down earlier this summer.

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17 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

I’ve met sushi but it was a long time ago. Does he even post here any more? Maybe he’s on the Stonks board where I never go.




 

 

He is in the electoral lab thread.

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1 hour ago, F250 said:

I actually did notice your bullshit earlier but still.

Holy cow! He smoked that MAGA dude for going to OU. 

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10 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The original spanish version actually got very popular in Miami four years ago. I hate to admit it, but it slaps.

That was nine days ago. 

Was hoping it would turn into this

NSFW

 

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2 hours ago, Hermanator said:

They've had 4 years to get it improved this time. 

They're going to try it. 

But they aren't in power, and the most they can do is decertify/toss ballots from red states which...lowers the threshold for Kamala.

And given how many attorneys learned that MAGA stands for "Making Attorneys Get Attorneys", Trump's probably going to be relying on parking garage lawyers.

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8 hours ago, Pancho said:

If turnip loses (when?) next week, will the R party split into two going forward? the maga wing and the “we are normal republicans” wing?

8 hours ago, WelfareBuysMyWeed said:

If Trump loses, this could be one of those generational swings in american politics. I could see the MAGA republicans breaking off into their own Newsmax world.

When Trump loses, there will still be a few issues for the GOP:

1. Trump won't go quietly in the night. He could announce he's running in 2028. At the very least, he's going to hand-pick his successor and he will fuck over anybody who goes against him.  Think of Abbott and Paxton here in Texas primarying any Republicans who voted against them or weren't on board with their programs, only at a national level.
2. Trump will still control the RNC's purse strings through Lara Trump (she was just elected to the RNC co-chair in March of this year), and will continue trying to funnel any and all money into his PACs/campaign, or at the least, will use the RNC coffers to power his lawsuits that go nowhere and drain the RNC. Lara has many more years as RNC co-chair, and you'd have to convince a chunk of the 168 RNC committee members to vote her out.
3. Hundreds of millions of dollars flowed into Trump's PACs instead of to other Republicans, and Lara made it clear the RNC is there for Trump. This could be the easiest money Trump has ever made and he will not give it up. Those PACs aren't going away either and if the RNC committee boots Lara out, there could still be a lot of Republican money flowing into Trump's PACs.

Trump doesn't feel like he owes the GOP anything - he was a Democrat for decades, and the GOP was just a vessel to get him elected. He has the ability to make things even worse for the GOP as long as he has his hands on the rudder and Lara's hands in the RNC piggy bank.

I'm leaning towards what I think @tx 3 putt said - Nikki Haley is probably waiting in the wings with some BMDs ready to take on the RNC leadership if Trump decides to hang around the RNC/GOP for the next four years.

Yeah, I know, they can't win without MAGA, but if they aren't winning with MAGA, then either the country club Republicans join the Democrats and try to get some power for themselves, or they take control of the RNC by swaying a large enough chunk of the 168 voters to boot Lara out, or they take their ball and start a new party. They ain't going to sit on their asses for another four years while Trump drools on himself and anoints Donald Jr. as his successor, all the while RNC coffers continue to empty into Trump bank vaults.

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5 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

 

Are you allowed in Arby’s? 

Gotta support the team.

 

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Sorry. I was wrong. Nobody cares what Biden thinks.

Edited October 30 by quigley

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Well, they are garbage, so there's that.