2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[MrX 722]

16 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

You are uncomfortably close to where i am right now.😆

I should’ve shouted MULEDICK while putting by ballot into the ballot box. 

[Upgrayedd 5,810]

14 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

You are uncomfortably close to where i am right now.😆

I’m here as well (for 24 hours).

What’s the deal with the mountain lion ballot measure?  Some interesting competing ads on the tv this morning.

[Chopper 17,228]

19 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Aldrin for Trump, unsurprisingly.

Thanks to xitter formatting it looks like he's endorsing putting the orange dotard on the moon. I usually get annoyed when people who paste from xitter don't post the full text but in this case I'm grateful you spared us, however inadvertent it may have been. 

[Bateshorn 9,927]

52 minutes ago, Burt said:

Also, how the fuck do you people keep up with this thread?  Do you not have jobs?  (rhetorical question...you're libtards, so, of course you dont)

Um...I'm not getting any work done. Duh. 

I have two agency Requests for Information I'm supposed be drafting before my General Counsel goes on vacation and let me sum up how it's going:

 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

2 minutes ago, Upgrayedd said:

I’m here as well (for 24 hours).

What’s the deal with the mountain lion ballot measure?  Some interesting competing ads on the tv this morning.

Mountain lion hunting is about to be banned and the out of state hunters who come here to shoot them are big mad about it.

They use dogs to tree the lions and then shoot them out of the tree.  It's not hunting.

The ads against it are entertaining, though.  They would make you think mountain lion attacks on people are a regular occurrence.  There have been 25 of them since 1990 in the entire state.

Edited October 30 by Chewbacca

[Snake Diggity 4,619]

Election is in 4 business days.  I’ll be sofa king glad when this shit is over.

[Gatorubet 30,183]

4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

That seems bad.

 

3 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Yes it does. Just when I start to feel optimistic, shit like that comes out. 

All those newly registered young people and African-American women voting for Trump… along with them Puerto Ricans.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26,429]

58 minutes ago, Burt said:

Also, how the fuck do you people keep up with this thread?  Do you not have jobs?  (rhetorical question...you're libtards, so, of course you dont)

I’m just here between cam shows. Any requests? Your mom says hi, by the way. 

25 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Another csb , Just got a reply from the GoP precinct chair who texted me earlier this week propagating election integrity lies.  I had replied to him that baselessly undermining people’s faith in elections is traitorous and told him to fuck off.

His reply: “Thank you for your reply.
I just got off the phone with a lady who voted at Riverbend on 360 last Saturday. Her choices continually flipped to another candidate as she was voting. She reported to the clerk that she was having issues with Machine #4 - the clerk told her that Machine #3 was doing the same thing. In my humble opinion, ANY mechanical device can have a glitch. It is only fair to the voter that they check their summary to be certain that their choices are voted. I hope you have a wonderful day.”

I know this story is bullshit.  Clerks are required by law to immediately stop the use of any machine suspected of malfunctioning.  No clerk would openly talk about a machine malfunctioning, especially to a voter while helping them vote on another machine suspected of malfunctioning.  I replied to him with that and told him to fuck off again.

I think you should call KVUE or one of the local TV stations put his ass on the news.

[Upgrayedd 5,810]

2 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Mountain lion hunting is about to be banned and the out of state hunters who come here to shoot them are big mad about it.

They use dogs to tree the lions and then shoot them out of the tree.  It's not hunting.

The ads against it are entertaining, though.  They would make you think mountain lion attacks on people are a regular occurrence.  There have been 25 of them since 1990 in the entire state.

The mountain lion ate the family cat was cringe.

[TexArcher 37,761]

2 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Election is in 4 business days.  I’ll be sofa king glad when this shit is over.

Well, that ain't gonna be in 4 business days, and maybe not in 4 business weeks.

Hold onto your asses, y'all...

[C-Man 27,183]

26 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Aldrin for Trump, unsurprisingly.

 

[Js1 85,258]

11 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

That seems bad.

 

10 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Yes it does. Just when I start to feel optimistic, shit like that comes out. 

One poll comes out and everyone immediately wets themselves.

I don't know how any of you watch sports.  Oh wait, I do - I've been in a game thread.

[TexArcher 37,761]

1 minute ago, Upgrayedd said:

The mountain lion ate the family cat was cringe.

Are you telling me we got fucking Haitian mountain lions??

 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

2 minutes ago, Upgrayedd said:

The mountain lion ate the family cat was cringe.

That one was fucking hilarious.  If you live in the mountains and want to keep your pets alive, you keep them inside.  There's a lot more than just mountain lions that want to snack on kitty.

[Brisketexan 105,042]

8 minutes ago, MrX said:

I should’ve shouted MULEDICK while putting by ballot into the ballot box. 

Wait....you DIDN'T shout "MULEDICK!" as you dropped your ballot?  Way to invalidate your vote, dumbass.

[Bateshorn 9,927]

Just now, Chewbacca said:

That one was fucking hilarious.  If you live in the mountains and want to keep your pets alive, you keep them inside.  There's a lot more than just mountain lions that want to snack on kitty.

Love to snack on kitty.

 

Wait, what are we talking about? 

[Dutchrudder 11,133]

Just had a conversation with someone at work about how tariffs work. I said if it's a blanket tariff on all imports of 20%, as has been proposed by Trump, then it's going to make a whole hell of a lot of goods go up in price by 20%. He said that's not how it will work, since prices elsewhere will remain lower and force the foreign producers/sellers to keep their prices lower to remain competitive with American made goods. I said Ok, but we don't make everything here, so many many things will still go up in price as taxes and fees always get passed on to consumers. He agreed it might go up some, but it's no big deal. American companies will see the opportunity in the markets and eventually "fill in the gaps." (Internally thinking WTF dude...)

That's when I realized Trump is a god damn magician, he's finally gotten Republicans on board with significant tax increases.

[Pescado_Rojo 19,412]

2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

Are you telling me we got fucking Haitian mountain lions??

 

not anymore, they ate them too!

[Pato del Muerto 52,484]

31 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Nah.  The passwords that were leaked only work if you're physically standing in front of the machines (since they are air gapped) and they are locked in secure storage.  They will all need to have their passwords changed, obviously, but that's as far as this goes.

And there will be an audit trail to prove no changes before the pw change. 

[Aqua Buddha 14,581]

2 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Just had a conversation with someone at work about how tariffs work. I said if it's a blanket tariff on all imports of 20%, as has been proposed by Trump, then it's going to make a whole hell of a lot of goods go up in price by 20%. He said that's not how it will work, since prices elsewhere will remain lower and force the foreign producers/sellers to keep their prices lower to remain competitive with American made goods. I said Ok, but we don't make everything here, so many many things will still go up in price as taxes and fees always get passed on to consumers. He agreed it might go up some, but it's no big deal. American companies will see the opportunity in the markets and eventually "fill in the gaps." (Internally thinking WTF dude...)

That's when I realized Trump is a god damn magician, he's finally gotten Republicans on board with significant tax increases.

They think since they're getting a tax cut, it'll all work out.  Never mind most of them don't pay any taxes or very little.

[kevwun 15,757]

4 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

That one was fucking hilarious.  If you live in the mountains and want to keep your pets alive, you keep them inside.  There's a lot more than just mountain lions that want to snack on kitty.

You don't even have to be in the mountains.  Everything loves to eat dogs and cats.  Coyotes, foxes, raccoons, owls, hawks, eagles, etc.

Edited October 30 by kevwun

[LCHorn 2,612]

1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

I actually think this ploy might cause a military intervention. 

Now @Wulaw Horn, @UTPhil2006, @Neonmoon and I trying to imagine if this is good or bad for the bond market..

 

[Bateshorn 9,927]

1 minute ago, Dutchrudder said:

Just had a conversation with someone at work about how tariffs work. I said if it's a blanket tariff on all imports of 20%, as has been proposed by Trump, then it's going to make a whole hell of a lot of goods go up in price by 20%. He said that's not how it will work, since prices elsewhere will remain lower and force the foreign producers/sellers to keep their prices lower to remain competitive with American made goods. I said Ok, but we don't make everything here, so many many things will still go up in price as taxes and fees always get passed on to consumers. He agreed it might go up some, but it's no big deal. American companies will see the opportunity in the markets and eventually "fill in the gaps." (Internally thinking WTF dude...)

That's when I realized Trump is a god damn magician, he's finally gotten Republicans on board with significant tax increases.

Uh, I was also under the impression that assuming you could isolate a domestic product from an increase in prices due to foriegn inputs (which is virtually impossible in our modern global trade based world)...classic economics (as well as real world examples) suggest that domestic producers will not forgo the ability to generate extra profits by also raising prices to tariff inflated prices (or just below).  Why would I sell you a MADE IN THE USA widget at a 20% discount from my foriegn made competitor when there is a guaranteed government profit cushion? 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

You don't even have to be in the mountains.  Everything loves to eat cats.  Coyotes, foxes, raccoons, owls, hawks, eagles, etc.

True, you just get more of all that in the mountains vs the suburbs.  And you get mountain lions, too.

[Goredho 17,394]

9 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Mountain lion hunting is about to be banned and the out of state hunters who come here to shoot them are big mad about it.

They use dogs to tree the lions and then shoot them out of the tree.  It's not hunting.

The ads against it are entertaining, though.  They would make you think mountain lion attacks on people are a regular occurrence.  There have been 25 of them since 1990 in the entire state.

Voted against that one, personally.  The biologists tracking wildlife populations at Colorado Parks & Wildlife are best equipped to decide if and how many mountain lions are bagged every year (imo).

[hookem2010 2,623]

I have zero sympathy for people whose outdoor cats get eaten by a wild animal. Or for people who let their dogs off leash in places they shouldn't be, for that matter. Turnabout is fair play

[wood 11,225]

9 hours ago, hookem2010 said:

It's honestly amazing that more of the racist shit from that rally isn't getting more buzz. Well, it should be anyway. Calling Kamala Samoan-Malaysian, like every brown person is the same and lesser? Tucker Carlson being in any way attached to a campaign should be a disqualifier in and of itself.

Yep. Hinchcliffe's stupid jokes were a good thing in that they raised awareness of the attitudes these people have about minorities, but the way so many are focusing on only his comments is taking eyes away from the hateful, racist  tone of the entire night and indeed the entire campaign.

Edited October 30 by wood

[immamac 42,832]

2 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Just had a conversation with someone at work about how tariffs work. I said if it's a blanket tariff on all imports of 20%, as has been proposed by Trump, then it's going to make a whole hell of a lot of goods go up in price by 20%. He said that's not how it will work, since prices elsewhere will remain lower and force the foreign producers/sellers to keep their prices lower to remain competitive with American made goods. I said Ok, but we don't make everything here, so many many things will still go up in price as taxes and fees always get passed on to consumers. He agreed it might go up some, but it's no big deal. American companies will see the opportunity in the markets and eventually "fill in the gaps." (Internally thinking WTF dude...)

That's when I realized Trump is a god damn magician, he's finally gotten Republicans on board with significant tax increases.

Its not this simple on either side of the argument and you are likely both wrong. 

There will be retaliation on tarriffs that you didn't talk about from these countries that are will impose tarriffs on and there's not a lot of either finished goods or raw goods that are completely vertical supply chain wise here or there. 

Tarriffs aren't a universal lever you pull because that's stupid and not how economies work. The cost of everyone's goods would rise, but it would be coupled with more government revenue to subsidize the cost of some goods or for some vendors. What actually happens in this scenario is buddies get cut in on dirty deals and get favorable pricing/subsidy/immunity from tarrif and everyone else gets fucked while the majority of people (not just Americans) get left holding the bag. 

Its a really good way to change absolutely nothing and fuck over the people who need the biggest breaks. Its also heavily unbalanced and penalizes the high consumption companies more than low consumption ones. 

Overall the 20% tarriff as a policy is bad because it's oversimplified and quite simply put, stupid. So yeah if you want stupid policy that's it. 

[Chewbacca 7,765]

1 minute ago, Goredho said:

Voted against that one, personally.  The biologists tracking wildlife populations at Colorado Parks & Wildlife are best equipped to decide if and how many mountain lions are bagged every year (imo).

I voted for it.  It's not hunting and humans don't need to manage the populations through hunting - the lions manage their own population and will not reproduce if there isn't enough food.  California has banned hunting since 1990.  They have a similar density of lions to other western states and they have had roughly the same number of attacks as CO has over the past ~35 years.  Hunting mountain lions is completely unnecessary.

And on a personal note, I think there is something wrong with people who want to kill a mountain lion just to kill it.

[Gil Bang 25,907]

first photo ever without visible stiff nips

 

 

[Bateshorn 9,927]

Just now, Gil Bang said:

first photo ever without visible stiff nips

 

 

Somebody recycle the airplane story and let's just get it out of the way. 

[tx 3 putt 76,861]

21 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Mountain lion hunting is about to be banned and the out of state hunters who come here to shoot them are big mad about it.

They use dogs to tree the lions and then shoot them out of the tree.  It's not hunting.

The ads against it are entertaining, though.  They would make you think mountain lion attacks on people are a regular occurrence.  There have been 25 of them since 1990 in the entire state.

 

hits close to home, hunted a cougar last night. used red wine instead of dogs. worked great 

Edited October 30 by tx 3 putt

[Brisketexan 105,042]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

first photo ever without visible stiff nips

 

 

Negged.

[Bateshorn 9,927]

3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

I voted for it.  It's not hunting and humans don't need to manage the populations through hunting - the lions manage their own population and will not reproduce if there isn't enough food.  California has banned hunting since 1990.  They have a similar density of lions to other western states and they have had roughly the same number of attacks as CO has over the past ~35 years.  Hunting mountain lions is completely unnecessary.

And on a personal note, I think there is something wrong with people who want to kill a mountain lion just to kill it.

In general, I have a long standing position that except in cases where biologist led population control is necessary, I don't think you should be allowed to use weapons to kill predators above you on the food chain. It's messing with god's law. 

[HenryJames 66,032]

Beauty queen claims Donald Trump groped her after luring her back to suite at New York's Plaza Hotel | Daily Mail Online

[hookem2010 2,623]

4 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

In general, I have a long standing position that except in cases where biologist led population control is necessary, I don't think you should be allowed to use weapons to kill predators above you on the food chain. It's messing with god's law. 

Bare hands only. And you better hope it's a kitten or you're fucked.

[wood 11,225]

I was just told on another board that "The Puertoricans changing their vote last minute (there is 450K of them in Pennsylvania) will be offset by the Amish community there who all decided to vote this time for Trump".

Hmm. LOL. There are 93K Amish folks in PA. Including those who aren't old enough to vote. And the Amish rarely vote.

5 hours ago, BamaATL said:

I don't have a lot of time this morning, so leaving it at brass tax. 

*Tacks. Just sayin'.  

[dieucla98 2,942]

4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Beauty queen claims Donald Trump groped her after luring her back to suite at New York's Plaza Hotel | Daily Mail Online

But, but, but Biden called us garbage (he didn't...) so pfffffbt. /MAGA

[Dutchrudder 11,133]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Its not this simple on either side of the argument and you are likely both wrong. 

There will be retaliation on tarriffs that you didn't talk about from these countries that are will impose tarriffs on and there's not a lot of either finished goods or raw goods that are completely vertical supply chain wise here or there. 

Tarriffs aren't a universal lever you pull because that's stupid and not how economies work. The cost of everyone's goods would rise, but it would be coupled with more government revenue to subsidize the cost of some goods or for some vendors. What actually happens in this scenario is buddies get cut in on dirty deals and get favorable pricing/subsidy/immunity from tarrif and everyone else gets fucked while the majority of people (not just Americans) get left holding the bag. 

Its a really good way to change absolutely nothing and fuck over the people who need the biggest breaks. Its also heavily unbalanced and penalizes the high consumption companies more than low consumption ones. 

Overall the 20% tarriff as a policy is bad because it's oversimplified and quite simply put, stupid. So yeah if you want stupid policy that's it. 

Granted this is Trump we are talking about, so who knows what the hell he would actually do, but this is from a few weeks ago:

As president, Trump imposed tariffs with a flourish — targeting imported solar panels, steel, aluminum and pretty much everything from China.

“Tariff Man,” he called himself.

This time, he’s gone much further: He has proposed a 60% tariff on goods from China — and a tariff of up to 20% on everything else the United States imports.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/trump-favors-huge-new-tariffs-how-do-they-work

 

So a 20% blanket tariff on everything is incredibly stupid and it will drive up costs of many many things is my main point. I don't even think you disagree with that part, which was the main point of my conversation with a guy who thought inflation is a problem now and we were better off 5 years ago. I'm saying it will be much worse under that policy rather than the current administration plan.

Of course you have a pony that the revenue from those tariffs will be significant. However, I don't think it will be offsetting the cost that regular people like you or I spend on those products. the money will instead be redirected into some big government coffers and used for something else that probably won't benefit us peasants. 

[Js1 85,258]

2 minutes ago, wood said:

Hmm. LOL. There are 93K Amish folks in PA. Including those who aren't old enough to vote. And the Amish rarely vote.

Trump's entire campaign is trying to turn out demographics that don't vote.  But they seem to keep getting through these polling likely voter screens....

It will either be the greatest strategy or will absolutely bomb when they still don't show up.   

Especially when his opponent is gobbling up college educated voters (who always vote), black women (who ALWAYS vote) and suburban women (who always vote). 

Edited October 30 by Js1

[Bateshorn 9,927]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Trump's entire campaign is trying to turn out demographics that don't vote.  But they seem to keep getting through these polling likely voter screens....

It will either be the greatest strategy or will absolutely bomb when they still don't show up.   

This. If he pulls it off, then he'll win in a landslide, and we will have a new world order.  And we all need to be prepared for that.  That's my moment of darkness for today. 

[Dutchrudder 11,133]

5 minutes ago, wood said:

I was just told on another board that "The Puertoricans changing their vote last minute (there is 450K of them in Pennsylvania) will be offset by the Amish community there who all decided to vote this time for Trump".

Hmm. LOL. There are 93K Amish folks in PA. Including those who aren't old enough to vote. And the Amish rarely vote.

*Tacks. Just sayin'.  

Do the Amish have government IDs that would allow them to vote?  (Genuinely asking)

[Brisketexan 105,042]

4 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Granted this is Trump we are talking about, so who knows what the hell he would actually do, but this is from a few weeks ago:

As president, Trump imposed tariffs with a flourish — targeting imported solar panels, steel, aluminum and pretty much everything from China.

“Tariff Man,” he called himself.

This time, he’s gone much further: He has proposed a 60% tariff on goods from China — and a tariff of up to 20% on everything else the United States imports.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/trump-favors-huge-new-tariffs-how-do-they-work

 

So a 20% blanket tariff on everything is incredibly stupid and it will drive up costs of many many things is my main point. I don't even think you disagree with that part, which was the main point of my conversation with a guy who thought inflation is a problem now and we were better off 5 years ago. I'm saying it will be much worse under that policy rather than the current administration plan.

Of course you have a pony that the revenue from those tariffs will be significant. However, I don't think it will be offsetting the cost that regular people like you or I spend on those products. the money will instead be redirected into some big government coffers and used for something else that probably won't benefit us peasants. 

Without derailing the whole thread into a tariff discussion, tariffs are not blanket good or bad.  Judicious and appropriately targeted tariffs have their place, and can have a positive overall effect.  And, blanket, non-thoughtful application of tariffs can be economically costly and devastating.  They are a powerful medicine, to be administered deliberately and sparingly.

See, e.g., the solar panel issue.  China was vastly undercutting and dumping.  Trump imposed tariffs on them, Biden left them largely in place, and further supported the domestic solar manufacturing industry via the Inflation Reduction Act.  As a result, American manufacturing of solar panels, a good of great economic and strategic importance, has taken off and prospered.

"I'ma tariff EVERYTHING!" is stupid as shit.

[RomaVicta 29,893]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

I'm reminded of the lead up to the first Gulf War under HW Bush.

So many articles about how the Iraqis were battle-tested with large numbers of soldiers and armor. Their airforce numbered in the 100s of planes. It had been a while for us. The alarmism impacted me. I wasn't sure about the prospects of an easy victory. 

Afterwards, we'd of course destroyed them, I remember Tom Clancy and other hawks deriding people like me who were worried at all. What, did Tom think I had my own intelligence service and crew of reporters? I had no other source of information.

Here, there is gloom projected by the main outlets again. Remember the template. Look at a poll. Check the margin of error. Announce if the results are within that margin. Then go to the panel as though that information is solid and talk about what it means. They need to analyse their premise before making the leap to opinion. They won't do that because they haven't done it before.

[tx 3 putt 76,861]

2 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Do the Amish have government IDs that would allow them to vote?  (Genuinely asking)

 

ding ding ding 

[tx 3 putt 76,861]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Without derailing the whole thread into a tariff discussion, tariffs are not blanket good or bad.  Judicious and appropriately targeted tariffs have their place, and can have a positive overall effect.  And, blanket, non-thoughtful application of tariffs can be economically costly and devastating.  They are a powerful medicine, to be administered deliberately and sparingly.

See, e.g., the solar panel issue.  China was vastly undercutting and dumping.  Trump imposed tariffs on them, Biden left them largely in place, and further supported the domestic solar manufacturing industry via the Inflation Reduction Act.  As a result, American manufacturing of solar panels, a good of great economic and strategic importance, has taken off and prospered.

"I'ma tariff EVERYTHING!" is stupid as shit.

 

tariffs worked great …

before electricity / telephones / internet 

before companies had factories worldwide and could shift production with a couple clicks 

[bad_teammate 13,185]

trump is gonna put the election in a big 'ole bag and throw it over his shoulder

then he'll tiptoe out of DC with big, exaggerated, high-knee steps, smirking silently

[Js1 85,258]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

ding ding ding 

They do.  But they rarely, if ever, show up to vote in federal elections. 

 

 

[Pancho 44,685]

[SydneyCarton 48,051]

 

1 hour ago, Firemans4Horn said:

If Trump loses; I think a post-election audit of the RNC will show the depth of their crime families’ fraud. That could mark the end of the Trump’s. 

Lol, who's going to do the audit?