2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[BamaATL 16593]

2 minutes ago, quigley said:

I disagree. I know several Trump voters of different races and income levels. Some of them are really, really smart. These are generally good people who I trust. One is a close friend. The media ecosystem in America is broken and feeds this lie that we're so different.

I imagine you know several people from your time in the military that are Trump supports. Did they unlearn the lessons that brought them to serve?

I completely agree that the media ecosystem is completely broken, but I do have hope.  Someone, eventually, is going to realize that more Americans want actual news than infotainment, and they will emerge and crush the current mainstream crap we have going on.  The current media is bloated, massively in debt, and lost in the wilderness.  That is a situation that makes for perfect conditions for disruption.   

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

11 hours ago, Hermanator said:

She could say don't vote for me, vote for Kamala and Walz. But she won't, because she's narcissistic cunt who doesn't give a shit about the environment or anyone but herself. 

 

Maybe I'm overconfident, but I'm not worried about Jill Stein voters flipping the election at all.

[SimonBolivar 10957]

3 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

  Someone, eventually, is going to realize that more Americans want actual news than infotainment.   

I believe the people have spoken and they want infotainment much more than "actual news."

[Biff Tannen 45665]

26 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Nah. That one got to him and I sort of regretted it, even though it was true.
I think the election is really starting to wear on him, and I get a sense that while he’s going to vote for Trump he’ll be relieved if Harris wins, because he’s starting to put disclaimers around his support- that he knows Trump is a “liar,” “boorish,” a “cad,” “probably corrupt” and so forth, but “strong for America.”

I think a lot of decent old people with bad media diets have sort of painted themselves into a corner here and are hoping the rest of us bail them out so they can complain about Harris nonstop and avoid facing the truth. 

Even if she wins, they don’t get off the hook. If you are voting for him in 2024, you have no excuse. 

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

9 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Um, I’m not talking about the “white working class,” yall are.

Again, I’m saying: Democrats have not represented the interests of the middle and lower middle class effectively for 30 years. Over and over, when the interests of the lower middle-middle class  and the top decile came into conflict,  the Democratic leadership chose the latter. When they had the opportunity to protect or expand the tools available to the lower middle and middle to protect their own interests or build equity, they opted not to take them. With the rare exception of people like Sherrod Brown,  the Democratic Party mostly represents the cultural and social agenda of well educated knowledge workers in urban centers mixed with Clinton-era corporatism. To the extent that labor Democrats exist at all anymore, they are an anachronism. 
 

It seems silly to pretend otherwise. 

in the 25 yrs I’ve known bozo, he’s never once wavered on this insight.  and as someone who grew up in solidly blue, union heavy, labor Democrat stronghold, i bear witness to that constituency being left behind over the last few decades by the current iteration of the Democratic Party.   fucking hell, i never dreamed of the day that Jefferson county would turn red for myriad reasons, yet here we are.  

all because the historical party advocates and protectors of labor simply walked away.  

so yeah…bozo was prophetically spot on then as well as now. 

[kevwun 15764]

Yeah half the shows on espn have copied the format of 4 or 5 people talking over each other about whatever topic they have blown completely out of proportion that day.

Edited November 2 by kevwun

[Slacks 6819]

15 minutes ago, kevwun said:

There are some crazy mofos in lake Travis.  There are trump signs all along 71 in the right of way.  My favorite are the vote biblical values ones.

No black women in the Bible. Easy.

[kevwun 15764]

One is in Spanish though.  

[TwiceHorn 31438]

Just now, Kyrie Eleison said:

in the 25 yrs I’ve known bozo, he’s never once wavered on this insight.  and as someone who grew up in solidly blue, union heavy, labor Democrat stronghold, i bear witness to that constituency being left behind over the last few decades by the current iteration of the Democratic Party.   fucking hell, i never dreamed of the day that Jefferson county would turn red for myriad reasons, yet here we are.  

all because the historical party advocates and protectors of labor simply walked away.  

so yeah…bozo was prophetically spot on then as well as now. 

Yeah, he's not wrong on that.  That's one of my biggest political regrets:  deciding that unions were bad.  They were, but are absolutely essential.  They should have been supported in their legitimate goals (pay equity and domestic jobs) in return for corruption reform.  We nationally fucked up big-time in letting big business offshore virtually all manufacturing.

[Slacks 6819]

4 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

in the 25 yrs I’ve known bozo, he’s never once wavered on this insight.  and as someone who grew up in solidly blue, union heavy, labor Democrat stronghold, i bear witness to that constituency being left behind over the last few decades by the current iteration of the Democratic Party.   fucking hell, i never dreamed of the day that Jefferson county would turn red for myriad reasons, yet here we are.  

all because the historical party advocates and protectors of labor simply walked away.  

so yeah…bozo was prophetically spot on then as well as now. 

the corporations bough the government. 

We're not getting it back.

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

8 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Though I guess I am unclear why the Democrats currently in DC are waiting around until November 5th to take care of this obvious national security risk.

Don't want to do anything that might accidentally get the crypto-bros off their lazy asses and vote for dotard.  Come Nov 6, Uncle Joe needs to whip out that complete immunity shit and go scorched earth on those losers.

8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah…but they’re SO much cooler. It’s the skinny cigarettes, I think.

No, it's the berets that do it.

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

7 hours ago, Tuco said:

I don't think that would help Brown. 

It had nothing to do with Brown.  I figured the same message being used in MI / PA and probably WI would have some positive effect in OH as well.  Hell, send Walz there and have him roast Vance's creepy ass and you likely see some positive bump for the good guys.

"Look, I get it.  Your crazy ass neighbors in Bugtussle County have stuck you with that loser for now.  But if you (voters of Cleveland, Dayton, Columbus, Cincinnati) get out there and vote; you can end his political career right now."

[HenryJames 66038]

20 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

in the 25 yrs I’ve known bozo

[G650 14240]

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, he's not wrong on that.  That's one of my biggest political regrets:  deciding that unions were bad.  They were, but are absolutely essential.  They should have been supported in their legitimate goals (pay equity and domestic jobs) in return for corruption reform.  We nationally fucked up big-time in letting big business offshore virtually all manufacturing.

I mean, I'm still not overly Union to this day. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so there's common ground to be had.

 

As I've said before, the 20th century US was basically welfare for mediocre white motherfuckers, and we are seeing the reaction to that going away over the past 15 to 20 year. Unions were just an extension of that philosophy.

[Bookman 4638]

18 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

You can shoot them, I think.

- It was out four weeks, and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.

- They should be fuckin' killed man. No trial, no jury, straight to execution. 

- Boy I wish I coulda caught him doin' it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doin' it. It woulda been worth him doing it just so I coulda caught him. 

- What a fucker!

- What's more chickenshit than fuckin' with a man's political yard sign? I mean, don't fuck with another man's yard sign!

- You don't do it!

- It's just against the rules! 

 

[HenryJames 66038]

5 minutes ago, G650 said:

As I've said before, the 20th century US was basically welfare for mediocre white motherfuckers, and we are seeing the reaction to that going away over the past 15 to 20 year. Unions were just an extension of that philosophy.

And these mediocre white motherfuckers think ‘others’ are the recipients of this welfare now instead of realizing it’s gone forever.

[TwiceHorn 31438]

8 minutes ago, G650 said:

I mean, I'm still not overly Union to this day. But the enemy of my enemy is my friend, so there's common ground to be had.

 

As I've said before, the 20th century US was basically welfare for mediocre white motherfuckers, and we are seeing the reaction to that going away over the past 15 to 20 year. Unions were just an extension of that philosophy.

Well, unions are definitely a pain in the ass to owners/management.  And they got pretty corrupt.  And they got pretty enmeshed with management in some cases (UAW) and began negotiating dumb stuff in lieu of pay or benefit raises.  And they absolutely did not help keep jobs in America, but the government should have been helping with this.

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

Edited November 2 by TwiceHorn

[DigglerontheHoof 21178]

7 minutes ago, Bookman said:

- It was out four weeks, and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.

- They should be fuckin' killed man. No trial, no jury, straight to execution. 

- Boy I wish I coulda caught him doin' it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doin' it. It woulda been worth him doing it just so I coulda caught him. 

- What a fucker!

- What's more chickenshit than fuckin' with a man's political yard sign? I mean, don't fuck with another man's yard sign!

- You don't do it!

- It's just against the rules! 

 

Nice Vincent reference. 

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, unions are definitely a pain in the ass to owners/management.  And they got pretty corrupt.  And they got pretty enmeshed with management in some cases (UAW) and began negotiating dumb stuff in lieu of pay or benefit raises.

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

you forgot retirement benefits/pension protections and workplace safety.  
 

OSHA doesn’t exist without strong union lobbying for those protections, neither does the Jones Act.  

[G650 14240]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, unions are definitely a pain in the ass to owners/management.  And they got pretty corrupt.  And they got pretty enmeshed with management in some cases (UAW) and began negotiating dumb stuff in lieu of pay or benefit raises.

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

I mean, my issues with unions was always in relation to how they shit on other labor for their own ends, not how they kept companies in check,  which is a good thing. I do think they are generally in a better place now and as I said I have common ground with them.

 

I guess the other part of this is we have gone to a country that is basically welfare for billionaires.

1 minute ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

you forgot retirement benefits/pension protections and workplace safety.  
 

OSHA doesn’t exist without strong union lobbying for those protections, neither does the Jones Act.  

Yes, those are definitely all positives.

[Fudge Nuggets 19188]

40 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Someone, eventually, is going to realize that more Americans want actual news than infotainment, and they will emerge and crush the current mainstream crap we have going on. 

I would watch an AI-generated version of Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw read the nightly news over the current crop of shit any day.

[G650 14240]

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/11/01/well-still-be-neighbors-virginia-beach-yard-sign-aims-to-counter-political-divisiveness/

 

So I just read this morning we lead the state in political sign irritation. I 100% believe it, it's insane this year.

[jimmyjazz 45887]

I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help.

[quigley 1559]

14 minutes ago, G650 said:

As I've said before, the 20th century US was basically welfare for mediocre white motherfuckers, and we are seeing the reaction to that going away over the past 15 to 20 year. Unions were just an extension of that philosophy.

Who says it's stopped?

The checks are still coming! Affirmative action/DEI hasn't impacted white economic status, and white people still enjoy all the non-quantifiable advantages they've always held. And if history is a guide this will be maintained for 1-2 more generations.

White folk with privilege just don't want to acknowledge it.

[quigley 1559]

22 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

And these mediocre white motherfuckers think ‘others’ are the recipients of this welfare now instead of realizing it’s gone forever.

How is it gone?

An 80 year old white man who is showing early signs of dementia is a coin flip from the presidency.

Edited November 2 by quigley

[G650 14240]

2 minutes ago, quigley said:

Who says it's stopped?

The checks are still coming! Affirmative action/DEI hasn't impacted white economic status, and white people still enjoy all the non-quantifiable advantages they've always held. And if history is a guide this will be maintained for 1-2 more generations.

White folk with privilege just don't want to acknowledge it.

Oh it is, its just not as extreme as it used to be.  But as I said the billionaire welfare is through the roof now

[Macanudo 12975]

8 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I would watch an AI-generated version of Walter Cronkite, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw read the nightly news over the current crop of shit any day.

Nake News with Aubrey Plaza.

[Dbeasy 15042]

59 minutes ago, quigley said:

I disagree. I know several Trump voters of different races and income levels. Some of them are really, really smart. These are generally good people who I trust. One is a close friend. The media ecosystem in America is broken and feeds this lie that we're so different.

I imagine you know several people from your time in the military that are Trump supports. Did they unlearn the lessons that brought them to serve?

Where did I say that every Trump supporter has no integrity or morals? Hint.  I didn't.

Edited November 2 by Dbeasy

[David Dennison 18849]

21 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, unions are definitely a pain in the ass to owners/management.  And they got pretty corrupt.  And they got pretty enmeshed with management in some cases (UAW) and began negotiating dumb stuff in lieu of pay or benefit raises.  And they absolutely did not help keep jobs in America, but the government should have been helping with this.

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

LeT tHe MaRkEt DeCiDe!

[quigley 1559]

4 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Where did I say that every Trump supporter has no integrity or morals? Hint.  I didn't.

"Trump and Elon have crystalized for me that there are way more gullible, unintelligent people in the U.S. than I ever realized...They also helped me realize the number of people in the U.S. with little to no integrity or morals is far higher than I ever realized."

Sorry. I extrapolated from this. Who were you referring to if not Trump supporters?

[Pancho 44709]

 

[Pancho 44709]

Nope, own it mofos. 
 

 

[Dbeasy 15042]

3 minutes ago, quigley said:

"Trump and Elon have crystalized for me that there are way more gullible, unintelligent people in the U.S. than I ever realized...They also helped me realize the number of people in the U.S. with little to no integrity or morals is far higher than I ever realized."

Sorry. I extrapolated from this. Who were you referring to if not Trump supporters?

some, not all. You assumed I was talking about all.

[Js1 85275]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Ah yes, the weekend before the election when the losing campaign starting leaking to the press 

[InkaUtexas 25862]

3 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

But he just showed up he looks great in Orange.

[Blotto 23488]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Nope, own it mofos. 

If there was just some way they could have seen this coming 3 months ago. Imagine being so fucking stupid that you could not predict Trump would do the same horrific shit he's been doing for the last 10 years.

[G650 14240]

4 minutes ago, Blotto said:

If there was just some way they could have seen this coming 3 months ago. Imagine being so fucking stupid that you could not predict Trump would do the same horrific shit he's been doing for the last 10 years.

10 years? Try 40

[Bookman 4638]

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Someone, eventually, is going to realize that more Americans want actual news than infotainment, and they will emerge and crush the current mainstream crap we have going on.

The last time I watched the news was after the Boston Marathon bombing, when it was obvious they had nothing to say, but that didn't stop them from filling the airwaves with bullshit. 

[Brisketexan 105066]

No, it's the berets that do it.

For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13574]

38 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But I don't see any other way to keep wages reasonable.

Living Wage legislation based on a 40 hour work week and CPI seems like it would reduce wealth disparity.

[InkaUtexas 25862]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

Nice collection. How are they voting? They need  a place to stay while registering?

 

[Hermanator 7032]

10 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

some, not all. You assumed I was talking about all.

Of course it isn't all that have no morals or values, but I do believe that every single trump supporter in 2024 is deficient in judgement, and has something wrong with them that would bring them to support the closest thing we've seen to 21st century Nazism. To support the hate filled rhetoric alone is deficient in values to some extent. Add on top the authoritarianism and blatant violation of the law/coup attempts and there's no way any completely sane, reasonable person would support this. 

I disagree with Quigley about being able to trust anyone like that. I no longer trust any trump supporter, even in my own family. I get along with them and don't start any issues, but deep down I can never trust them for anything again. If my daughters were still small kids I'd never trust them to care for them again. That's for sure. Luckily I don't have any of them in my lab, but if I did I'd watch them like a hawk and no benefit of the doubt would be given to improprieties. 

[hobbes2702 13029]

29 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Where did I say that every Trump supporter has no integrity or morals? Hint.  I didn't.

I’ll say that 

[South Austin 52452]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

What’s the French word for bunk? Cause that’s where I’ll be.

[Hermanator 7032]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

What’s the French word for bunk? Cause that’s where I’ll be.

Je serai dans ma couchette

[Homercles 10205]

There’s an episode of MST3k called Boggy Creek 2, filmed in Arkansas probably mid-90’s.  There’s a scene where the protagonists go into some general store and half the riffs sound familiar today:

”it’s the welfare moms sucking us dry”

”liberal!”

”want to contribute to our fund for the war against northern aggression?”

”want this on your klan account?”

Those deplorables have always been there, they just finally had a public figure that ‘made it ok’ to say the quiet parts out loud.  

[MrBig 5382]

2 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Living Wage legislation based on a 40 hour work week and CPI seems like it would reduce wealth disparity.

I used to be against universal income but after realizing how many tax breaks billionaires get and how they get free stadiums and tax abatements and all that shit, fuck it let’s do it. And have it for every person. Even rich people. And those who bitch about it ruining the economy can donate their share back into the pot to pay for everyone else. And all this shit will be funded by massive tax increase on billionaires. Of course I’m living in fantasy land. 

[G650 14240]

Just now, MrBig said:

I used to be against universal income but after realizing how many tax breaks billionaires get and how they get free stadiums and tax abatements and all that shit, fuck it let’s do it. And have it for every person. Even rich people. And those who bitch about it ruining the economy can donate their share back into the pot to pay for everyone else. And all this shit will be funded by massive tax increase on billionaires. Of course I’m living in fantasy land. 

I've been on the UBI train for years

[Brisketexan 105066]

Of course it isn't all that have no morals or values, but I do believe that every single trump supporter in 2024 is deficient in judgement, and has something wrong with them that would bring them to support the closest thing we've seen to 21st century Nazism. To support the hate filled rhetoric alone is deficient in values to some extent. Add on top the authoritarianism and blatant violation of the law/coup attempts and there's no way any completely sane, reasonable person would support this. 
I disagree with Quigley about being able to trust anyone like that. I no longer trust any trump supporter, even in my own family. I get along with them and don't start any issues, but deep down I can never trust them for anything again. If my daughters were still small kids I'd never trust them to care for them again. That's for sure. Luckily I don't have any of them in my lab, but if I did I'd watch them like a hawk and no benefit of the doubt would be given to improprieties. 

This. There are two types of Trump voters: 1) those who like the evil and cruelty to others, and 2) those who are just fine with evil and cruelty to others if they think it will provide them 1 cent of benefit.
If you enjoy making my neighbor suffer and die, or if you are cool with it because you’ll get an extra penny off your taxes, there is no meaningful distinction: you are pure shit.
We have to stop treating these people with kid gloves. Stop treating them with respect or sympathy. They deserve neither. They are EXACTLY like the Germans who went along with evil in the 1930s. I don’t care if they were one of the ones who genuinely hated Jews and thought the world should be under Germany’s boot, or if they were one of the ones who went along with it because they thought they could personally gain from it. Both groups were necessary to create the wermacht and the gas chambers. Both can go to hell.
Then. And now.

[Pancho 44709]

30 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Nope, own it mofos.