2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[HenryJames 66037]

6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

They never walked away on issues important to them - like protecting unions, making sure the richest among us get fairly taxed, protecting your rights when you’re injured due to the negligence of others or big Pharma, protecting your right to medical care as much as possible under whatever system was going on. 

What the Democrats did NOT do is preserve the world that those people loved:  the Democrats did not preserve the soft racism and misogyny and homophobic tendencies of America collar white workers.  The Republicans pandered to them with Willie Horton, the flag-burning “crisis”, and then the Muslim crisis with Sharia law going to take over bum-fuck Alabama, and then the gay marriage crisis… and now they are going to steal your children and change their sexual orientation crisis.

The problem is not that the Democrats did not protect things that were the most important to those people - the problem is the Republicans told those people that how you live your life and the protections you had were no longer important because someone, somewhere, might burn a flag…. Or some trans person might be in the bathroom stall next to you.  Or they are attacking Jesus and Christianity when they say happy holidays. Or Michelle Obama wants your fat kids to eat more vegetables, which is obviously a demonic attempt to control your children.   

The problem is that those uneducated people listened to fucking Rush Limbaugh on Fox News for 30 years. None of that was on the Democrats and I think the percentage of blame in a comparative fault ‘why that happened’ is less on Democrats than you think.

Democrats lost those people in the culture wars, not because they weren’t focused on the main issues that in a more educated populous would have them thanking the Democrats.   I used to blame the Democrats for their messaging, which was a valid criticism, but now I realize we have a country of uneducated idiots so completely incapable of understanding how those issues affect them that we have to hope that half of us can prevent the other from blowing up the country.  

The Republicans built an alternate universe through their unceasing, false media efforts these last three decades.    That was also not the Democrats fault.  What Democrats failed to realize, and this is on them, is that there would come a time when actual facts and truth were completely irrelevant in the political system.

And here we are

White people have no agency. Democrats forced them to become racist assholes who vote against their self interest.

[Gatorubet 30185]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

For the women, it’s the attitude and the accent. French women are all-timers.

Bardot feels left out

[wood 11225]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Statesman-like and poignant take here: Deep Throat Donny.

Paging @Thujone. We need a gif of this, brother.

[TexasHooch 5122]

Wait.  I might not be doing this right.

[G650 14233]

30 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Damn Lichtman talking shit lol

[Biff Tannen 45665]

15 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I used to blame the Democrats for their messaging, which was a valid criticism, but now I realize we have a country of uneducated idiots so completely incapable of understanding how those issues affect them that we have to hope that half of us can prevent the other from blowing up the country.  

The Republicans built an alternate universe through their unceasing, false media efforts these last three decades.    That was also not the Democrats fault.  What Democrats failed to realize, and this is on them, is that there would come a time when actual facts and truth were completely irrelevant in the political system.

And here we are

This is the best summary I’ve seen in a while. 

[chainsaw 9857]

3 minutes ago, G650 said:

Damn Lichtman talking shit lol

It's been fraught for him these past three cycles. Trump 2016, Covid 2020, Biden 2024 have been the epitome of "throw out the recordbooks" races

[BrickHorn 18216]

54 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

the fucking hero we need ….

 

Left Foxworthy.

[tx 3 putt 76869]

 

all this needed to be discussed and pointed out 6 fucking months ago

Edited November 2 by tx 3 putt

[A-Tex Devil 2446]

14 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

daddy trump was banging picture perfect 14 yo’s by the private jet load and she was being held to that standard 

poor girl had no choice but to go plastic, early and often to stay in her father’s favor 

there’s no way in hell that trump is left alone with any of the granddaughters 

She’s basically disappeared, right?  Did she even speak at the convention?  She tried to ride the fence and is going to be left out in the cold by society and her family.  Daddy can’t be thrilled that she isn’t fighting the good fight on the women voter front.   They have that sweet sweet Saudi money though. 

[locodos 5387]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

all this needed to be discussed and pointed out 6 fucking months ago

No one wants to work these days!

[tx 3 putt 76869]

1 minute ago, locodos said:

No one wants to work these days!

 

except illegals !!!!

[F250 28764]

11 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is the best summary I’ve seen in a while. 

lol no.

 

[Sawbonz 27536]

5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

all this needed to be discussed and pointed out 6 fucking months ago

Well to be fair after all the immigrants get deported someone is going to have to pick the lettuce and do the roofing and subcontracting jobs

[Biff Tannen 45665]

6 minutes ago, A-Tex Devil said:

They have that sweet sweet Saudi money though. 

That was her and kushner’s plan the whole time. My guess is we’ll never hear from them again. 

[locodos 5387]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

That was her and kushner’s plan the whole time. My guess is we’ll never hear from them again. 

You think they'll be invited to the Saudi Embassy in Turkey?

[Biff Tannen 45665]

1 minute ago, F250 said:

lol no.

 

[Bullneck 19070]

28 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Bardot feels left out

 

[Gatorubet 30185]

7 minutes ago, F250 said:

lol no.

 

[Bullneck 19070]

15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

all this needed to be discussed and pointed out 6 fucking months ago

Well, from what I've heard on TV there's a huge swath of our country that just woke up to the fact that there's an election on Tuesday.

[Gatorubet 30185]

8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

That was her and kushner’s plan the whole time. My guess is we’ll never hear from them again. 

I don’t know all of the criminal statutes of limitation, but I guess there is an off chance that a new more aggressive AG will find some Saudi shenanigans.  I can’t imagine they would be that difficult to find if you looked.

[tx 3 putt 76869]

2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I don’t know all of the criminal statutes of limitation, but I guess there is an off chance that a new more aggressive AG will find some Saudi shenanigans.  I can’t imagine they would be that difficult to find if you looked.

 

trump gave them all pardons 

[BamaATL 16593]

2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I don’t know all of the criminal statutes of limitation, but I guess there is an off chance that a new more aggressive AG will find some Saudi shenanigans.  I can’t imagine they would be that difficult to find if you looked.

I'd also imagine, that given boy wonder's business acumen track record he will be back in the news, albeit for record level bankruptcy.  

[TexEx15 17509]

I’m not sure what will happen Tuesday. Obviously I want Harris to win and I’m cautiously optimistic that she will. Regardless though, her campaign has been run about as good as she could possibly hope.

[Gatorubet 30185]

5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

trump gave them all pardons 

No, he did not. 

[Macanudo 12975]

25 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Well to be fair after all the immigrants get deported someone is going to have to pick the lettuce and do the roofing and subcontracting jobs

Old people installing solar will be the new death panels.

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

54 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

They never walked away on issues important to them - like protecting unions, making sure the richest among us get fairly taxed, protecting your rights when you’re injured due to the negligence of others or big Pharma, protecting your right to medical care as much as possible under whatever system was going on. 

Are you posting from Egypt? Because you are in denial. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26436]

49 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

White people have no agency. Democrats forced them to become racist assholes who vote against their self interest.

Democrats have no agency, they were innocent bystanders to repealing GS, the bankruptcy bill, private student loans, making the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent, not holding anyone accountable for the financial crisis, etc. 

[RDCanecutter 26381]

28 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Well to be fair after all the immigrants get deported someone is going to have to pick the lettuce and do the roofing and subcontracting jobs

And the olds know how to use tools, weed gardens, and drive a stick.

[Francisco 2.0 32386]

8 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

I’m not sure what will happen Tuesday. Obviously I want Harris to win and I’m cautiously optimistic that she will. Regardless though, her campaign has been run about as good as she could possibly hope.

Pretty much this.   Despite the biased media, polling firms, the number of people who would vote for Trump no matter what, how things looked in mid-July, etc it's amazing that it has gotten to this point.

Now to just get it across the line and then deal with whatever shit happens between November 6th and January 6th.

 

 

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Can we argue about Reconstruction next week?

[BamaATL 16593]

Just now, RDCanecutter said:

And the olds know how to use tools, weed gardens, and drive a stick.

[Pancho 44703]

 

[RDCanecutter 26381]

1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Can we argue about Reconstruction next week?

Seeing as how it's still going on, sure!

Just now, BamaATL said:

I told you not to put spy cameras in my back yard, you bastid.

[F250 28764]

6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

The Democratic party hasn't made a serious attempt to align with Organized Labor until recently while ignoring them since the 90's.

The Democratic party and Organized Labor had a falling out during the Clinton administration. Clinton's neoliberalism was not friendly to Organized Labor. While something like NAFTA made sense to both conservatives and white collar liberals it was a blow to Organized Labor. This is just one example. This carried over into the Obama administration as well.

Yes, the Republicans ran culture war shit but that's to be expected. It's not a secret that class war is countered through social division in order to divide the working class. That's always been the play. The Democratic party let the working class get sliced up while running as moderates a day catering to white collar liberals.

Hell, just look at the attitude many Harris voters had against port workers in the strike thread over in the DT.

[Gatorubet 30185]

8 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Are you posting from Egypt? Because you are in denial. 

LBJ thought we would lose whites for a generation in the Democratic Party for letting blacks be an equal part of America. 

He was wrong, a huge section of wide America ran from the Democratic Party forever because of racism. Look at the current GOP and tell me that racism isn’t one of the largest motivators of that party.   Now, tell me you didn’t see the GOP move from daddy Bush and Willie Horton to the southern strategy to Reagan in Philadelphia Mississippi talking about states rights, to the overwhelming move of the old confederacy to the GOP, and tell me they were all more concerned about a host of other issues that were equal motivators to your as-yet-explained reasons. 

Karl Rove and culture wars combined with a Democratic Party being seen as the black party is the biggest reason those white people went GOP.   And if you reread what I said, I referenced that there were multiple reasons.  That is my comparative fault comment, so I’m not saying they were the only ones.

So if you and F250 want to articulate your vision of why that is wrong, step right up. 

Edit: F250 just did.  TY

Edited November 2 by Gatorubet

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

 

They’re not a mess, they are just incapable of feeling shame when it comes to their quest to win. It tells me Republicans feel more confident with early returns in Georgia than Pennsylvania.

[Macanudo 12975]

5 minutes ago, F250 said:

 

Hell, just look at the attitude many Harris voters had against port workers in the strike thread over in the DT.

How much of that was worrying about the effect on the election versus being opposed to the actual strike?

[The Dog 44019]

 

[TexEx15 17509]

Holy shit. 

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Husband:  My wife would never lie to me

Wife:  Honey, I was only with two other men before you but you're the BIGGEST and the BEST!

[Gatorubet 30185]

2 minutes ago, F250 said:

The Democratic party hasn't made a serious attempt to align with Organized Labor until recently while ignoring them since the 90's.

.Yes, the Republicans ran culture war shit but that's to be expected. It's not a secret that class war is countered through social division in order to divide the working class. That's always been the play. The Democratic party let the working class get sliced up while running as moderates a day catering to white collar liberals.

 

White collar liberals took all those social positions that the white working class despised, be at the end of segregation, be at busing, be it affirmative, action, forcing colleges to fund women’s sports, trying to get an equal amendments passed. 

And like I said, there’s flagburning gay marriage, and a host of issues that decimated the working class from the Democratic Party.    

I don’t think we disagree with each other so much as you do not view the socials and racial issues as being the prime motivators overtime as I do.  And the problem is, they are all interwoven.   But I honestly believe you totally diminish the effects of 30 years of right wing news and radio delivering a world that doesn’t exist and a view of the Democrats policies that is actually a lie.    You want to blame things on democrats union policies 30 years ago while not recognizing that there are many GOP fans who think that Hillary and Obama smelled like sulfur

this is my last post of the thread jack

 

[Chopper 17230]

15 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Democrats have no agency, they were innocent bystanders to repealing GS, the bankruptcy bill, private student loans, making the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent, not holding anyone accountable for the financial crisis, etc. 

Please go back and take a look at when there was a Democratic president in the White House, how often they controlled both houses of Congress. You come off like a simpleton who has no comprehension about how politics work. 

edit - your first post on this subject where you interchanged the use of "signed" and "implemented" is the giveaway that you are either trying to purposely mislead people due to a personal agenda, or you're genuinely confused about how law and politics interact. 

Edited November 2 by Chopper

[Valmy77 13225]

Can we stop the traditional rite of Democrat self-flagellation for a few days?

Yeah Clinton fucked up the party and they became a right wing party, we know this. But the tide has turned, we are getting this shitshow back on the road. But never forget it is the common people who make this country work. We must be uncompromising in pursuing their interests, and that includes minority groups of all stripes.

Everything else comes second.

[Chopper 17230]

Has everyone seen the Travis  Jason Kelce video? https://bsky.app/profile/mollyknight.bsky.social/post/3l7yaqevwgi2a

"Some loser asked Jason Kelce how it feels that his brother is a faggot for dating Taylor Swift. Jason turned and calmly shattered the guy’s phone."

Edited November 2 by Chopper

[tx 3 putt 76869]

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Has everyone seen the Travis Kelce video? https://bsky.app/profile/mollyknight.bsky.social/post/3l7yaqevwgi2a

"Some loser asked Jason Kelce how it feels that his brother is a faggot for dating Taylor Swift. Jason turned and calmly shattered the guy’s phone."

 

[Chopper 17230]

3 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Can we stop the traditional rite of Democrat self-flagellation for a few days?

Yeah Clinton fucked up the party and they became a right wing party, we know this. But the tide has turned, we are getting this shitshow back on the road. But never forget it is the common people who make this country work. We must be uncompromising in pursuing their interests, and that includes minority groups of all stripes.

Everything else comes second.

Every president makes mistakes but there's a valid argument about why the bold is false. However I'm with ya on the rest. 

[Francisco 2.0 32386]

 

 

 

[Brisketexan 105061]

Maybe I missed it, but I'm surprised nobody has posted Melanie Laurent yet:

Love her. Great reason to watch Lupin. But let’s not forget her French Algerian co-star, Shirine Boutella:

There's a shocking lack of Lea Seydoux in this thread. Blue Is The Warmest Color if you've never seen it, get on it. 

Yep.

See, I’m telling y’all, French women be where it’s at.

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

5 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Has everyone seen the Travis Kelce video? https://bsky.app/profile/mollyknight.bsky.social/post/3l7yaqevwgi2a

"Some loser asked Jason Kelce how it feels that his brother is a faggot for dating Taylor Swift. Jason turned and calmly shattered the guy’s phone."

That kid better be glad that's all Kelce broke.