2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Yev Kassem 1022]

2 minutes ago, linux said:

She lost Wiscy and Michigan, picking Shapiro and saving Penn is a woopsy fucking do, I do agree that Biden wanting us to return to normalcy was a gicantic red flag we all saw comming, the new normal is rage, not civility, logic, or good governance tradition. Should have been working 24/7 to prevent what just happened right now, never ending handouts last year when inflation was dying would have helped, but he thought a graph number was more relevant than disposable income to pay for food. 

I get that, but I think Michigan/Wisconsin are much closer politically to Penn than Minnesota. I think Shapiro might have resonated better with those voters, especially if he had been at the top of the ticket. 

The problem with their economic message is that while the stock market is at an all time high and most all other indicators showed a strong economy most of those working class dem voters likely aren’t playing much in that space. All they saw was that their paychecks weren’t going as far as they used to and they blamed Biden/Kamala.  It was too tough story to overcome. 
 

[linux 1566]

2 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

I get that, but I think Michigan/Wisconsin are much closer politically to Penn than Minnesota. I think Shapiro might have resonated better with those voters, especially if he had been at the top of the ticket. 

The problem with their economic message is that while the stock market is at an all time high and most all other indicators showed a strong economy most of those working class dem voters likely aren’t playing much in that space. All they saw was that their paychecks weren’t going as far as they used to and they blamed Biden/Kamala.  It was too tough story to overcome. 
 

But handouts would have greatly helped, I get it handouts drive inflation and Trump's handouts did just that, but enough about the number or pleasing wall st, its all irrelevant anyhow free elections are out the door.

[Yev Kassem 1022]

2 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

I don't really get this take.  If you look at who delivered the fatal blow to Harris in the decisive states, it was people who were NEVER going to vote for her no matter how she campaigned.  Her goose was cooked by her gender as unfair as it is.

Unless you think doing so would have juiced turnout for her, but how much juice was left to squeeze there?

If there are free and fair presidential elections in 28 I'm pretty sure Trump will do a fine enough hatchet job on the economy to hand the presidency to the democratic nominee, if it's a white male from the heartland.  We will have to endure a lot of pain in the interim.

I’m in total agreement with you on her gender being what probably cooked her overall.  That’s why I think Shapiro or Beshear at the top of the ticket kills two birds with one stone. You run a man who wasn’t connected to the current administration who could paint themselves differently. 

[linux 1566]

I did really like the idea of Beshear, but he needed a populist message too, it is more than just distancing it should have been distancing and repeating over and over how he was going to help the working class.

[Yev Kassem 1022]

Just now, linux said:

I did really like the idea of Beshear, but he needed a populist message too, it is more than just distancing it should have been distancing and repeating over and over how he was going to help the working class.

Yeah I think Shapiro/Beshear makes a great ticket in 2028. Beshear being a blue gov in a red state is a great message of uniting both parties and how it’s still possible to work across the aisle. 

[Old Freak Nasty 816]

1 minute ago, Yev Kassem said:

I’m in total agreement with you on her gender being what probably cooked her overall.  That’s why I think Shapiro or Beshear at the top of the ticket kills two birds with one stone. You run a man who wasn’t connected to the current administration who could paint themselves differently. 

In post-mortem I agree to that.  Beforehand, I was of the opinion that Beshear was woefully unqualified as a Democratic red state governor because he really is only that because of his dad and name recognition.  But I think I know now that the resume doesn't really matter to the decisive slice of the electorate.  Beshear probably would have beat Trump.  Agree 100% with your position.

[linux 1566]

Beshear + populism yeah, if he was flip flopping people don't care if it is popular say it was a come to jesus moment.

[linux 1566]

Right around Biden resigned almost no straight white men were considered though, It was Whitmore, Kamala, Pete, the identiy polititcs group was salivating about an all woman ticket as well, just fucking end me now! fuck.

[Old Freak Nasty 816]

Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

[BurntOrange&White 39177]

Just now, Old Freak Nasty said:

Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

Dumb down your messages to the populace. Nobody gives a shit about detailed policy in the populace especially in debates. Reel in your legacy media to drive your dumbed down message home and your attacks on the opponent. Quit trying to be fair and partial to both candidates and just be straight up attack mode. 

[linux 1566]

At this point yes all there is is who can scream louder, we have the so called establishment group, the media, Goldman Sachs etc but they are told to fall in line because they don't fucking vote, its either him or trump, That said I don't know why I am wasting my time over something that will never happen again, free and fair elections.

[BearSchlong 8068]

people arent racist, youre just a loser and this is how you sleep at night. you drunk.

Ok cool. Hook em.

[Yev Kassem 1022]

16 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

Totally agree. I think in 28 we have three great potential candidates in Shapiro/Beshear/Moore and then either one of them as VP or even Whitmer if any of those three need help drawing in women. 

[Texas Flood 1356]

54 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  

Shapiro is Jewish and from Philadelphia. That’s already too “coastal elite” for the middle america.

 

VP choice was moot in this election and ranks appropriately well below the other mistakes you highlighted.

[Frank Drebin 5541]

3 minutes ago, Texas Flood said:

Shapiro is Jewish and from Philadelphia. That’s already too “coastal elite” for the middle america.

 

VP choice was moot in this election and ranks appropriately well below the other mistakes you highlighted.

He was also way too Jewish for leftists this year.  

[linux 1566]

They went with her because she was annoited by Biden,  he wanted to play kingmaker since 2020 and look where that got us, we ignored all the fundamentals (aka racism and misoginy) all because we wanted to make history.... MFer. She recovered most of her popularity but plateud at +1 and fell to -2 on election day. I was tracking this poll so hard because it would ignore LV tea leaf reading.

[C-Man 26895]

6 minutes ago, linux said:

They went with her because she was annoited by Biden,  he wanted to play kingmaker since 2020 and look where that got us, we ignored all the fundamentals (aka racism and misoginy) all because we wanted to make history.... MFer. She recovered most of her popularity but plateud at +1 and fell to -2 on election day. I was tracking this poll so hard because it would ignore LV tea leaf reading.

She was the pick because:

1) connection to incumbency

2) the money already raised was only available to her

3) it was 107 or so days before the election

4) Trump was salivating over Dem disarray if Biden dropped out — Kamala was the only one that took that off table w/o shit-show of mini-primary at the Dem convention, which was like 30 days after Biden dropped

5) anybody with real POTUS ambitions on the Dem side wasn’t going to sign up for the sub-100 day sprint to the finish

 

All in all, she ran a great campaign all things considered. I won’t get into post-mortem theories on what happened. Y’all have done that to death already.

Buckle up — it’s gonna be a bumpy four years starting in Jan. Or Trump’s incompetence and laziness will prevail and Trump 2.0 will be a four-year penalty kill. I just hope he doesn’t destroy America before we re-rack this in 2028.

[washparkhorn 9926]

The candidate that communicates most effectively with a majority of Americans—wins. One must understand one’s audience. 

Right wing populists understand the audience  

 

[bad_teammate 13061]

We got a black guy named Hussein elected president twice, both times by convincing margins over well-rehearsed, well-known, extremely-experienced white guys. And Hussein did pretty damn well among blue collar white dudes considering he's a black guy named Hussein married to a black woman with broad shoulders and being born in Kenya and having gay sex in a limousine for money or something.

We don't need to lower ourselves profoundly to appeal to the base cretins unworthy of sharing our booth at Chili's; we need someone people like who speaks well about a broader vision of American greatness. Because our ideas are a lot better, a lot kinder, and a lot more full of love for humans, which most people actually like.

We ran Hillary, who a lot of people really liked and a lot of people really really really hated for a very long time, and lost.

We ran Biden, who a lot of people really liked and no one really hated all that much for very long (it doesn't count when its in the throes of the election itself, we always hate the other guy's candidate even if we didn't know them before), and won.

We ran Kamala, who had no base and no voter ID and who no one cared about until it was time to have to care about her (election-time), and lost.

So let's get someone that no one really hates, that at least SOME people really like already, and who presents well.

[tbone_ 14016]

Democratic Party today reminds me of the Republican Party after Obama won the first time: completely lost and directionless will no really compelling, winnable POTUS candidates or message.

Well, things change, Dotard came along for the Republicans, changed the game, and here we are today.

Things will change again and the Dems need to find a winning candidate/message to either create the change or take advantage of it. Would be good to start to see something resembling a winning message at the midterms as well. So for now though, I suppose we wait and see.

I’m probably going to sign off of this thread and CR in general for a while. Think it’s better for me to just go focus on the many positive aspects of my life for a bit. I need a break from wallowing in the concern, frustration, annoyance, outrage, whatever you want to call it.

Peace, and keep up the good work.

[David Dennison 18342]

2 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Democratic Party today reminds me of the Republican Party after Obama won the first time: completely lost and directionless will no really compelling, winnable POTUS candidates or message.

Well, things change, Dotard came along for the Republicans, changed the game, and here we are today.

Things will change again and the Dems need to find a winning candidate/message to either create the change or take advantage of it. Would be good to start to see something resembling a winning message at the midterms as well. So for now though, I suppose we wait and see.

I’m probably going to sign off of this thread and CR in general for a while. Think it’s better for me to just go focus on the many positive aspects of my life for a bit. I need a break from wallowing in the concern, frustration, annoyance, outrage, whatever you want to call it.

Peace, and keep up the good work.

It changed with a quickness. Democrats got their shit handed to them in the 2010 mid-terms.

[closetohumping 17336]

Don swept the valley?   Wow

[Red Five 40571]

Democratic Party today reminds me of the Republican Party after Obama won the first time: completely lost and directionless will no really compelling, winnable POTUS candidates or message.

Well, things change, Dotard came along for the Republicans, changed the game, and here we are today.

Things will change again and the Dems need to find a winning candidate/message to either create the change or take advantage of it. Would be good to start to see something resembling a winning message at the midterms as well. So for now though, I suppose we wait and see.

I’m probably going to sign off of this thread and CR in general for a while. Think it’s better for me to just go focus on the many positive aspects of my life for a bit. I need a break from wallowing in the concern, frustration, annoyance, outrage, whatever you want to call it.

Peace, and keep up the good work.

Bush launched Dukakis into the sun in 1988 and then four years later lost to Clinton.

[BrickHorn 18131]

17 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Courting Republicans doesn’t work.

I said this repeatedly during and after the convention. The working class that flocked to MAGA hates neoconservativism and RINOs. And our solution to court them back was “Hey, what if we told you the neoconservatives are with us now?” 

Bernie or Warren would have been a better candidate. But then they would have turned off all the center-right converts who are now core to the Democratic base. And we can’t have that! 

Turns out relying on old guard Republican refugees hitched to losing ideologies isn’t a winning strategy. If you’re truly the left wing alternative to fascism, how about offering real solutions for the working class and maybe taking a stand against fascist genocide?

But to be honest, the goose is cooked at this point. Trump voters aren’t reluctant and they aren’t rational. It’s a cult full of angry dipshits voting to burn the world down. No amount of best interest policies are going to dissuade the moron mob.

Edited 18 hours ago by BrickHorn

[Doc Holliday 198]

On 11/5/2024 at 12:07 PM, MissingInAction said:

I was with @Doc Holliday one night when he ordered 20 of those grease pockets. He ate them all.

I am pretty sure the lore has grown to 40 of them in some circles. 

Was one of the nastiest shits the next day with the only worse one being after a crawfish boil, wade boggs level lonestars, and before a shaggyberos softball practice where I nailed a now nurse perfectly in the back of the neck with a line drive after not hitting a DAMN thing prior.  I still feel bad for that hit.  

 

Edit: this is political thread.  I am here to shit on it.  #cheers

Edited 13 hours ago by Doc Holliday

[Old Freak Nasty 816]

I think the Democratic nominee will need to show some aggression and anger next time.  They will need to show, in simple, simple words, that policies to help the working class have been championed by the Democrats but cannot be implemented because of GQP grandstanding and THAT is who to blame for it.  The GQP has become experts at stonewalling everything Democrats want to do and then hanging the noose around us and getting the masses to believe it's the Democrats fault.

Fuck it, we need a communicator that will come out swinging and bludgeon these fuckers over and over and over and over again with that message.  Tap into the same rage space that's allowed this dipshit to come to office twice.

There's still room to be optimistic and hopeful around it but rage is a core way to connect with the voters you need to persuade.

It's a big ask, but ask for the voters to deliver the presidency, senate, and house so we can actually do something and not just talk the talk.  Normally I don't think that would be possible, but we are all going to be worse off, and the Trump voters especially worse off, after 4 years.  There will be a receptive audience for it in 2028.

Edited 13 hours ago by Old Freak Nasty

[Frank Drebin 5541]

5 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

I think the Democratic nominee will need to show some aggression and anger next time.  They will need to show, in simple, simple words, that policies to help the working class have been championed by the Democrats but cannot be implemented because of GQP grandstanding and THAT is who to blame for it.  The GQP has become experts at stonewalling everything Democrats want to do and then hanging the noose around us and getting the masses to believe it's the Democrats fault.

Fuck it, we need a communicator that will come out swinging and bludgeon these fuckers over and over and over and over again with that message.  Tap into the same rage space that's allowed this dipshit to come to office twice.

There's still room to be optimistic and hopeful around it but rage is a core way to connect with the voters you need to persuade.

It's a big ask, but ask for the voters to deliver the presidency, senate, and house so we can actually do something and not just talk the talk.  Normally I don't think that would be possible, but we are all going to be worse off, and the Trump voters especially worse off, after 4 years.  There will be a receptive audience for it in 2028.

Now there’s a take. Not enough rage and vitriol from the Democrats this past cycle. 

[StassneyHorn 6498]

@linux fucking take a breath today man, good lord. 

[David Dennison 18342]

6 hours ago, Red Five said:

Bush launched Dukakis into the sun in 1988 and then four years later lost to Clinton.

My fratty ass was so pissed when Bill Clinton won.