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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Two notable exceptions are NV and AZ, both taking all of the R detritus that CA casts off.

 

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I'd think CA republicans are moving to AZ, NV, TX, FL, MT and ID

You have upper midwest Republicans moving to (retiring to) FL

You have Texas Dems moving out to CO, NC, VA, MN

Wild we may have another alignment, but one borne out of pandemic/post-pandemic migration and not political realignment.  Considering we just had two in the last 15 years (WWC flip to Republicans in 2010-2016 and the suburban/college educated shift to Democrats 2018-present) 

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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Disagree.  I can't tell you how many times I've heard Texans say they'd never go to Commiefornia.

People say a lot of things, until a higher salary job offer comes knocking

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16 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It is hard for me to look at Florida and see a lot of good things, but a lot of that is clouded by 2022. 

Democratic turnout and enthusiasm just fucked cratered down there in 2022. 

If Trump somehow only wins FL by 1-1.5%, he's lost GA and NC and the entire Blue Wall. 

I won't believe that until I see it.  Also, not gonna lie, and neg away, if FL wants to do the funniest shit next week and vote for Harris and beat Texas, I'll take that trade-off. 

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Right after we beat up on Georgia!

 

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6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

The "sort" thing is real, but a bit overstated. It's economic, not ideological, unless you're someone like Elon Musk.

No. Just no. If it was just economic, you wouldn't see the drastic party splits in terms of states of migration. 

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4 hours ago, quigley said:

An important reason Harris needs to win in a blowout is that it will YET AGAIN demonstrate that the polling industry knows shit about fuck.

The most important reason of all is that we need to beat fascism. Not only beat it but give it a big fucking kick in the mouth. 

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14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

You have Texas Dems moving out to CO, NC, VA, MN

So I don't think this is the reason, but there has been an extremely noticeable uptick in Texas license plates in the past couple months here. Like WTF is going on level. I really have been trying to figure out why.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

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This is the world's biggiest full of shit false choice. It's fucking pathetic.

And no one will turn it around. "Hey, if you'd just give back the rights you literally took away 4 years ago, you could avoid a nuclera war!"

Fucking dispshits. 

55 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I would add:

- Anti-vaxxers, anti-establishment left leaners who will come over with RFKjr

- Racists who aren't inclined for a black woman. (I think Trump already captured a big chunk of these, but actually running against a black person will help get more, particularly from anti-black Latinos) 

- Variety of sexists who won't vote for a woman

I take my kid to school or pick him up at least a couple times a week. The route is always the same. This week, for the first time, I saw a very Prominent RFK/Shanahan sign. Hasn't been there before, very difficult for me to miss becuase it's right next to a house with some F Ted Cruz signage. I'm still perplexed...like, you waited until NOW to put our your already dated RFK sign? Like, WTF is going on there? I know, I know, CSB. 

51 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Screaming about PA being rigged on Truth Social and a bunch of people on the right like Charlie Kirk screaming about women bigly outvoting men in the rust belt does not scream "wrapped up" to me

Trump wants big crowds, he wants to project strength, he wants to act like he's winning so when he doesn't, he can raise $500 million for lawsuits and pocket 85% of it. 

He will transfer all the leftover money + whatever he raises for lawsuits into his bank account, the FEC will open an inquiry about it and wrap it up in 2032.  He'll be dead by then. 

Roy Cohn famously, repeatedly, said his goal in life was to die massively in debt to the Government. Seems like a familiar playbook. 

39 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Great sort article.  Wonderful for copium.  Easy to conclude from this that 2020 blue states start bluer, red states start redder. When blue won in 2020, that's a good thing.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/30/upshot/voters-moving-polarization.html?unlocked_article_code=1.WU4.cuoO.NxBtf07ZKFSG&smid=url-share

WTF are you doing posting positive shit?

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14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The bolded has been discussed around here some, but it merits a LOT more discussion.  Someone linked a really good podcast on it.  Let's put a pin in it, to discuss after the election when maybe it can get some attention and thought.  Because it's really, really important.  We've made a lot of progress, and done a lot of good for a lot of historically shat-upon demographics.  And while that hasn't treated young men NEGATIVELY, taking away structural advantages that they counted on has made it harder, and our young men don't have the first clue how to do hard things, and we as society are not equipping them to do so, at all.  It's an important thing that society as a whole is going to need to tackle, and I'm looking at you, folks on the left, feminists, civil rights activists, etc.  We need a society that is collectively "healthy," and we're not there

As the father of two young men, sign me up for this discussion.  Both currently are healthy and well-adjusted, but it has been a lot to navigate.

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12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fucking....THIS.  MAGAs, I don't hate you for what you are, I hate you for what you do and what you believe and act on.  It's 100% a "content of your character" thing.  Trust me, I hate hispanic MAGAs just as much as I hate the white trash MAGAs.  You are all pura basura.

A shitload of this, but they really don't think about a next American dream.  They're fine if it's all burned down, so long as they are in a position to shit on someone else.  They would happily see this country burn if they can be king of the ashes. 

The bolded has been discussed around here some, but it merits a LOT more discussion.  Someone linked a really good podcast on it.  Let's put a pin in it, to discuss after the election when maybe it can get some attention and thought.  Because it's really, really important.  We've made a lot of progress, and done a lot of good for a lot of historically shat-upon demographics.  And while that hasn't treated young men NEGATIVELY, taking away structural advantages that they counted on has made it harder, and our young men don't have the first clue how to do hard things, and we as society are not equipping them to do so, at all.  It's an important thing that society as a whole is going to need to tackle, and I'm looking at you, folks on the left, feminists, civil rights activists, etc.  We need a society that is collectively "healthy," and we're not there.

But for now, let's get back to the Chilis/Bennigans/Jojos/Cocos discussion.

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Twas me:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/failing-young-men-with-richard-reeves/id1498802610?i=1000584062413

I really don't understand young men.  I understand young women better, oddly enough.  They still have the ambitions that women have always had.  Young men just want to sit around, play video games, and aren't interesting in girls, which is what I completely don't understand.

In my "other world," the women back that up, actually.  (If a woman has been a pro for more than five years, I consider her a Phd level expert on the sexual habits of men.)  They will tell you the customer demand significantly drops off with the under 35 crowd.  Sure, there's a financial aspect with them not being able to afford it but it's also the interest just isn't there, whereas Boomers were/are complete horn dogs along with older Gen X to a lesser degree.  

Anyway, back to regularly scheduled programming and doom scrolling.

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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The bolded has been discussed around here some, but it merits a LOT more discussion. 

I totally agree. I just think it exceeds the scope of this current thread or moment. I've started to type something, then thought better of it because it's such an involved topic.

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17 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

People say a lot of things, until a higher salary job offer comes knocking

It would have to be a hell of a higher salary for me to be able to afford California. I'd move in a heartbeat otherwise. 

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

Are you English now?

Pirate.

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3 minutes ago, dcbc said:

As the father of two young men, sign me up for this discussion.  Both currently are healthy and well-adjusted, but it has been a lot to navigate.

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I think you are in East Texas as well and that certainly doesn't help my kids get exposure to diverse viewpoints from their friend groups.

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Context - this is sarcasm. I just watched a clip of the tiny nazi Charlie what's his name totally melting down on Megin Kelly's show. 

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if you want to watch the midget nazi having a melt down about that ad, here's a link. I'd dl it and post it but they seem to format like shit.

https://bsky.app/profile/bubbaprog.ilovecitr.us/post/3l7stu2zfa62f

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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

A shitload of this, but they really don't think about a next American dream.  They're fine if it's all burned down, so long as they are in a position to shit on someone else.  They would happily see this country burn if they can be king of the ashes. 

The bolded is spot on, except that I'd add that there's even a higher cost that they're willing to lose but fail to see in their alternate realities--friends and family, because a war would cost them the lives of these people too. They're lunatics.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

That's fucking awesome. We've really come so far. When the Bush campaign started running spanish language ads the mere fact they were doing it was considered groundbreaking.
I worked at 301 Congress from 1997-2002, and the Bush campaign HQ was on the 3rd floor. There's a courtyard on the 4th St side where people would take smoke breaks, and I would occasionally talk to a guy from the campaign. I once asked him if the spanish commercials were different from the English commercials. He said "they're essentially the same, except the spanish one has a clown in it."

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

And Bozo mentioned it before, and I agree, that 2012 was just as bad a polling error as 2016/2020, but it was in Romney's favor, and Obama won easily.  2012 was legit a tossup by the pollsters/pundits heading into Election Day (except Silver, which of course, made him famous). 

And I think that's exactly what happens this year. 

I tend to agree. 

51 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

My opinion is that the enthusiasm is actually higher than this poll indicates since some of the most enthusiastic voters for Harris (female college graduates under 30) are less likely to get sampled by Gallup.

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30 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Some of them did. But Trump was touting how he invented the various vaccines and his CDC was pushing folks to get them. He was still part of the industrial medical conspiracy.  Promising RFKjr control is a major shift. 

Lutnick from last night is just as bad and he's been in the middle of Project 2025 and he's one half of the transition team. They want to do away with any and all vaccine mandates at school, work, etc. 

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3 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

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I think you are in East Texas as well and that certainly doesn't help my kids get exposure to diverse viewpoints from their friend groups.

Mine went to/are in the public school system here, and while there are plenty of exceptions, their friend groups have tended to be quite progressive.  That tracks fairly closely to my friends who live in other parts of the country with GenZ kids.  But yes, it is depressingly red here in east Texas.  But voter turnout has been record-breaking this cycle, which, hopefully, means the margin is shrinking.

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1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

I’m 

From what I’ve seen from other converts, the scales will slowly fall from your eyes. It starts with “I have to hold my nose and vote for Dems for the sake of sanity and decorum.” Two years later, you’re perusing platforms to educate yourself on the off-year candidates and it hits you: “The Dems actually make sense about a lot of things.” By the next election cycle, you’re working your way through the back catalog of Behind the Bastards and thinking “How the fuck did I ever support this nefarious Reagan shitbag?”

Enjoy the journey.

Then they ship you a che guevara shit.

 

edit: shit, shirt, tomato tomato.

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20 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

This is the world's biggiest full of shit false choice. It's fucking pathetic.

That's a deeply ashamed, closeted man with fame looking for justification about why he likes penis. edit - why his little boys club didn't cancel him after he went to jerk off to gay porn after his live stream illustrates either how gullible or understanding/in denial of his predicament they are.

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On 9/26/2024 at 9:02 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

I hate to bear bad news, but it’s going to be a problem if we have to come up with an economic plan that Tommy tuberville can understand. 

The man is not bright. According to him, DST changes the earth’s orbit. 

 

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16 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

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I think you are in East Texas as well and that certainly doesn't help my kids get exposure to diverse viewpoints from their friend groups.

 

9 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Mine went to/are in the public school system here, and while there are plenty of exceptions, their friend groups have tended to be quite progressive.  That tracks fairly closely to my friends who live in other parts of the country with GenZ kids.  But yes, it is depressingly red here in east Texas.  But voter turnout has been record-breaking this cycle, which, hopefully, means the margin is shrinking.

My son is about to turn 7. Diversity isn't really a problem, but I'd love a thread to discuss what you've done to keep your boys mentally well adjusted and grounded. 

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6 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

The man is not bright. According to him, DST changes the earth’s orbit. 

 

I read the comments on the thread and the fucking people arguing their positions is illustrative that we will polarize everything in this country. Even this shit. Fucking Springfield versus Shelbyville. 

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33 minutes ago, Saint Austin said:

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Lifelong conservative. I voted third-party in '16 and abstained in '20. Last week I voted blue for both president and senator for the first time.

Then perhaps you can explain having Ted Cruz as your avatar, sir.

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Las Vegas paper's editorial board not afraid to write the truth regarding Trump: https://lasvegassun.com/news/2024/oct/30/trumps-decline-has-been-alarming/

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Donald Trump’s racism, sexism, xenophobia and penchant for corruption have long made him unfit for any public office, let alone the presidency. But as he continues his bid for a second term in the White House, there is an unsettling and undeniable shift that is leading many experts, observers and even some Trump supporters to conclude that the former president’s mental acuity and sharpness are also in decline, that his physical health and stamina are waning and that his frustration and anger are boiling over.

Americans from both sides of the political spectrum should be alarmed by Trump’s words and behavior. The nation must confront the fact that beyond his hateful character, he is crippled cognitively and showing clear signs of mental illness.

There’s no need to resort to armchair psychology to interpret what’s apparent. If victorious, Trump would be the oldest president ever inaugurated. In recent weeks, he has canceled an increasing number of public appearances, with Trump’s own campaign citing the candidate’s exhaustion. When he does appear publicly, Trump struggles to complete sentences or sustain coherent thoughts, and has shown a pronounced difficulty concentrating and a tendency to repeat himself, sometimes within the same sentence.

At a recent rally in New Hampshire, for example, Trump began to discuss infrastructure and wound up segueing into a disjointed monologue about loyalty and perceived injustices against him, ending with a bewildering comment about windmills causing cancer.

This is not an isolated incident. A recent analysis by The New York Times noted that Trump’s rally speeches over the past eight years have become darker, longer, more profane and increasingly unfocused and unhinged — a troubling sign that he is no longer able to articulate ideas or reason in ways we expect of our leaders. This makes him prey to manipulations by his own staff or, worse, the control of foreign adversaries.

He shambles about aimlessly, slurs his words and sometimes speaks gibberish. Always an effortless liar, now that his speeches are nothing more than a series of lies tangled in a mass inside his head, it appears he no longer even knows he’s lying. 

He has called for the imprisonment of journalists, pledged to purge the government of “deep state” operatives he perceives as disloyal and is amplifying his tyrannical rhetoric. He has also increased his public praise for dictators like Russia’s Vladimir Putin and China’s Xi Jinping while using increasingly fascist language to describe those he deems political enemies. The former president has even suggested using the military against his domestic critics — an approach reminiscent of repressive regimes in history that has often been the precursor to creeping authoritarianism.

With Trump’s fragility comes an increasing dependence on enablers who show a disturbing willingness to indulge his delusions, amplify his paranoia or steer his feeble mind toward their own goals. Among these enablers is his running mate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio. Should Trump be deemed unfit to serve, Vance would step into power.

Once a “Never Trump” conservative who openly criticized Trump as a danger to the republic, Vance has since fully embraced an extremist ideology, morphing into a vocal MAGA supporter who seems eager to emulate Trump’s worst instincts.

Beyond his weird obsession with childless women whom he says are “deranged” and “sociopathic,” and his penchant for spreading conspiracy theories about immigrants and other marginalized communities, Vance poses a different threat to democracy than Trump. He has repeatedly demonstrated that he is little more than a puppet of his billionaire hedge fund benefactors and has openly stated he would have refused to certify the 2020 election, suggesting he would subordinate constitutional principles for personal profit and power.

His willingness to discard any principles shows that he would likely not push back against Trump’s excesses or his deteriorating mental stability. Instead, he might embrace a Trumpian authoritarianism, exacerbating the very dangers we face with Trump’s current mental decline.

If history has taught us anything, it is that democracies are fragile. America’s founders designed the presidency to be a stabilizing force. Trump’s instability, paired with his and Vance’s increasing willingness to trample democratic norms and visible contempt of anyone not like him, has transformed what might have once been seen by conservatives as an uncomfortable leadership style into an existential threat to American democracy.

For those who believe in a country governed by checks, balances and the rule of law, a return to Trumpian leadership is dangerous in its own right. But to do so with an impaired leader who cannot govern competently and a fellow authoritarian waiting in the wings is perilous.

As voters consider Trump’s latest bid for the presidency, it’s essential to recognize that this election is not merely a choice between policy platforms or party loyalties. It’s a test of our willingness to safeguard our nation from leaders whose fitness for office is in serious question. This election is about protecting the integrity of our democracy from those who would let it collapse in the name of power, loyalty or expedience.

Donald Trump has never had the moral compass to lead this country. But even his supporters cannot afford to ignore the signs that he may no longer have the mental faculties to lead it either. The stakes are simply too high.

 

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11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

My son is about to turn 7. Diversity isn't really a problem, but I'd love a thread to discuss what you've done to keep your boys mentally well adjusted and grounded. 

I'll save it for the forthcoming thread, but with the older one, it entailed a total willingness to try to understand what it's like to be a teenager in 202x, the knowledge that we cannot begin to understand what that is like, and, for a very uneasy period of time, psychiatrists, therapy, and medication.  A lot of it was about finding his interest, with which a friend group follows, and the growing up process.  Knowing that other friends were dealing with almost identical situations with their kids helped with parental despair.  It was helpful to hear from one good friend, who said, "Do you want to feel better?  Same story with all three of my kids."  His kids are doing great now too.    

 

We had to resist trying to force things.  As my mom once said about me, "At a certain point, I stopped trying to raise you right and just decided to raise you."    

 

My younger son is a different story (so far).  Plays tennis, which has a built in friend group.  But he has other friends that he has grown up with.  Super chill.  Works hard, etc.  Just different people, both of whom are amazing humans.

 

/edit to add: Diversity never was an issue.  They went to magnet schools in elementary and middle schools, both of which were "out of our district."  They both always had diverse friend groups.

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50 minutes ago, immamac said:

Anyone with a functioning not hate rotted brain understands what's going on. 

Kamala is the only choice for the majority of the country.

One candidate is pulling up in garbage trucks painted bright orange in a costume not on Halloween and the other is the current serving Vice President of the United States juggling her job and closing out one of the most competent political campaigns of many of our lifetimes. 

We are not going back. 

It would be nice if a majority actually elected the president.

'Murica.

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From time to time a guy I went to HS with posts on Facebook, almost always with some kind of MAGA angle.  To say he's a dim bulb would be an insult to dim bulbs everywhere.  It's weird, I always liked his Dad, who was a brilliant biochemistry prof at my undergrad alma mater.  They were Episcopalians, a demonination that leans centrist to left, and his dad was a very kind and compassionate man.  His son is a jackass.

Here's an example from today, expressing his chagrin at the divisive language of Joe Biden:

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