2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Js1 83350]

Calm down, Maureen Dowd

[South Austin 51633]

26 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m going to have to agree with Trump on this one 

I do, too.  And I walked by the MIT campus once, so I know what I'm talking about.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6513]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I do, too.  And I walked by the MIT campus once, so I know what I'm talking about.

MIT elitist, huh?  You can't tell us common folk the best way we should die.  Shark attack it is!

CSB- I actually am terrified of sharks and years ago almost drowned in St. Johns while snorkeling when I saw a shark (in hindsight it was a baby shark about a foot long) that was at the bottom of ocean about 30 feet below me.  I did what you should do when you see a shark and started splashing hysterically and swimming towards the shore as fast as I could.  When I got close to the shore, I looked in the water and a guppy swam right next to my mask which scared the shit out of me, and I swallowed sea water which is the almost drowning part.  Swam to the beach, coughing and hacking from the water and the wife who was sitting on the beach gave me the "you are an idiot look".  

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

Trump threatens to lose the debate on purpose and the rules are making it rigged against him

GOP media is now claiming CNN is leaking the questions to Biden

 

Trump is not going to do this debate 

If Trump doesn’t show, he’ll be called a coward and rightly so. He’ll be a chickenshit for being afraid to go up against “senile,” “sleepy Joe.” Is he willing to be laughed at? And is he willing to pass up the opportunity to trample all over whatever restraints they try to impose on him at the debate? On national TV?

I’m not sure I agree with James Carville. I’ve heard the predictions that Trump won’t show but I’m still inclined to think he will. He hates being laughed at more than anything and he’ll be begging for it if he wimps out.

We’ll see. It will sure be fun if he bails. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13310]

14 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

If Trump doesn’t show, he’ll be called a coward and rightly so. He’ll be a chickenshit for being afraid to go up against “senile,” “sleepy Joe.” Is he willing to be laughed at? And is he willing to pass up the opportunity to trample all over whatever restraints they try to impose on him at the debate? On national TV?

I’m not sure I agree with James Carville. I’ve heard the predictions that Trump won’t show but I’m still inclined to think he will. He hates being laughed at more than anything and he’ll be begging for it if he wimps out.

We’ll see. It will sure be fun if he bails. 

Biden should show up regardless. I'm on the fence on whether I think Trump will show. I could see the GOP making up rumors about Biden knowing the question in advance to offset a scenario where Biden does very well.  They will say, "I'm not saying that Biden got the questions in advance but plenty of other people are saying it." 

[LTbear 4080]

28 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

MIT elitist, huh?  You can't tell us common folk the best way we should die.  Shark attack it is!

CSB- I actually am terrified of sharks and years ago almost drowned in St. Johns while snorkeling when I saw a shark (in hindsight it was a baby shark about a foot long) that was at the bottom of ocean about 30 feet below me.  I did what you should do when you see a shark and started splashing hysterically and swimming towards the shore as fast as I could.  When I got close to the shore, I looked in the water and a guppy swam right next to my mask which scared the shit out of me, and I swallowed sea water which is the almost drowning part.  Swam to the beach, coughing and hacking from the water and the wife who was sitting on the beach gave me the "you are an idiot look".  

I found this funny, then I got to the end, where you mention your wife. Because until then I thought you were telling a story from childhood. Then it became hilarious. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33718]

8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Biden should show up regardless. I'm on the fence on whether I think Trump will show. I could see the GOP making up rumors about Biden knowing the question in advance to offset a scenario where Biden does very well.  They will say, "I'm not saying that Biden got the questions in advance but plenty of other people are saying it." 

don't they often get the questions in advance, or at least the general topics to be discussed?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13310]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

don't they often get the questions in advance, or at least the general topics to be discussed?

I believe there is normally a range of topics that are agreed upon. Like economy, values, education or foreign affairs. Of course that doesnt' prevent a candidate from veering off to say whatever they want especially with Trump. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33718]

are they going to have SS on stage? I mean, we're going to have a sitting President debate a convicted felon. some of his crimes are violent. will there be a protective barrier if not? 

[Red Five 40355]

are they going to have SS on stage? I mean, we're going to have a sitting President debate a convicted felon. some of his crimes are violent. will there be a protective barrier if not? 

Also, last time he tried to kill Biden with Covid.

[Jiggy-Z 3422]

29 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

MIT elitist, huh?  You can't tell us common folk the best way we should die.  Shark attack it is!

CSB- I actually am terrified of sharks and years ago almost drowned in St. Johns while snorkeling when I saw a shark (in hindsight it was a baby shark about a foot long) that was at the bottom of ocean about 30 feet below me.  I did what you should do when you see a shark and started splashing hysterically and swimming towards the shore as fast as I could.  When I got close to the shore, I looked in the water and a guppy swam right next to my mask which scared the shit out of me, and I swallowed sea water which is the almost drowning part.  Swam to the beach, coughing and hacking from the water and the wife who was sitting on the beach gave me the "you are an idiot look".  

Simialr thing happened when I was 10. Snorkeling in about 20' of water off of 7 Mile Beach in Grand Cayman.  Only my predator was an 8' long Morey eel. I swam over to my dad and brother to warn them, then I got the hell out of there thrashing like a wounded bait fish with ADD.

Shame on my parents for letting me watch The Deep right before that trip. Worth it to see Jacqueline Bissett's tits though.

[Pato del Muerto 52093]

I wonder if neither side really wants their guy up on a debate stage but neither can afford to look weak by refusing, so it’s a game of chicken to see who backs out first. Guess we will know if both show up and it’s a shit show. 
 

They can both probably do the “answer the question you want to answer, no matter the question asked” routine just fine without too much quick thinking required. 

[Wally Fairway 5494]

They should have a Dr as the moderator, and ask them questions from a cognitive test & see if either of them figure out the secret. 
If the both fail, are we stuck with picking between Kamala, RFK Jr, and whoever the Trump Cultists elevate to the VP for the ticket?

What a country we live in; 330 million people (160 million registered voters) and this is what we have to choose between to lead the country ...... we are fucked

[tx 3 putt 75474]

 

[Red Five 40355]

They should have a Dr as the moderator, and ask them questions from a cognitive test & see if either of them figure out the secret. 
If the both fail, are we stuck with picking between Kamala, RFK Jr, and whoever the Trump Cultists elevate to the VP for the ticket?
What a country we live in; 330 million people (160 million registered voters) and this is what we have to choose between to lead the country ...... we are fucked

Yeah, the choice between a good president and maybe the worst person on earth.

[Goredho 17178]

5 hours ago, immamac said:

Also don't send me any fucking DMs I have nothing to say to you in private, I don't moderate that way with back room deals and side conversations. 

Either get your shit together or take your brain rot to another community. Those are your options, Biden being old isn't off limits. Biden doing shit you don't like isn't off limits. Biden not being the person you vote for isn't off limits. Being a trump supporter isn't off limits. 

Pushing a clearly false and debunked narrative with videos and complete horseshit commentary that you are clearly getting from obviously fucked sources who are purposefully pumping out disinformation at a factory level is off limits. 

I've warned you several times and told you to get off Twitter for your own sake, but if you want to continue down the brain rot path that's up to you and it won't be here.

I have a history of extremely consistently hard moderation against disinformation like this. Not the "disinformation" some posters who are liberal with the word try to say. 

Biden is a mush brained old man. I've said it a bunch of times before myself. That's not what the issue is here and if you can't understand the difference that's why you can't be a part of this community anymore. 

 

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['stache 21564]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

If Trump doesn’t show, he’ll be called a coward and rightly so. He’ll be a chickenshit for being afraid to go up against “senile,” “sleepy Joe.” Is he willing to be laughed at? And is he willing to pass up the opportunity to trample all over whatever restraints they try to impose on him at the debate? On national TV?

I’m not sure I agree with James Carville. I’ve heard the predictions that Trump won’t show but I’m still inclined to think he will. He hates being laughed at more than anything and he’ll be begging for it if he wimps out.

We’ll see. It will sure be fun if he bails. 

You do realize that they'll call Biden a coward for trying to "rig" the debate and millions upon millions upon millions of people will nod their head in agreement. He's being mocked and laughed at constantly, but only by half the country, the other half is like "well I get it, sharks and batteries are dangerous, and did you see Biden stare that one time, he's losing it . . . "

Edited June 18 by 'stache

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[elfenix 34109]

Nm

 

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[WhatTheBuck 28613]

40 minutes ago, 'stache said:

You do realize that they'll call Biden a coward for trying to "rig" the debate

Whatever. How do you “rig” a debate? There aren’t going to be any surprise “gotcha” questions. And there’s never a defined winner. Trump and his media echo chamber will claim victory regardless as long as he shows up. And it doesn’t matter. If Trump chickens out, he’ll look like a coward to everyone outside of the cult.

Trump will always spew bullshit in every circumstance no matter what so you can’t worry about that. ‘You do realize he’s going to spew bullshit, right?’ So what? Let him spew. He’ll still get laughed at for being a chickenshit and he HATES that. 

[Js1 83350]

The most recent Marist poll has shown, in a 2-way race, a 6 point drop among independents for Trump, and a 10-point drop in the full race of all candidates. In the last almost month, since 5/23

Edited June 18 by Js1

[Fudge Nuggets 18977]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

are they going to have SS on stage? I mean, we're going to have a sitting President debate a convicted felon. some of his crimes are violent. will there be a protective barrier if not? 

It would be hilarious if it turns out a convicted felon can't be within a certain distance of POTUS, thus dotard can't be on stage.

[Dahobbs 17227]

8 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

It would be hilarious if it turns out a convicted felon can't be within a certain distance of POTUS, thus dotard can't be on stage.

I guess that means if Trump wins he'll have to be split in half to keep the two parts separate. If so, I'd consider voting for him. 

[Sawbonz 26871]

2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Biden should show up regardless. I'm on the fence on whether I think Trump will show. I could see the GOP making up rumors about Biden knowing the question in advance to offset a scenario where Biden does very well.  They will say, "I'm not saying that Biden got the questions in advance but plenty of other people are saying it." 

I was told he was in end stage dementia, and a free form hour plus interview he did a few months ago could not be used to predict his current mental status. How  would giving him the questions beforehand help?

 

also just hit me. If the trump camp is alleging Biden is being given the questions beforehand, I have no doubt trump was given 

 

Person

Man

Woman

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about a month ahead of his cognitive test

[Fudge Nuggets 18977]

 

2 hours ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

CSB- I actually am terrified of sharks and years ago almost drowned in St. Johns while snorkeling when I saw a shark (in hindsight it was a baby shark about a foot long) that was at the bottom of ocean about 30 feet below me. 

Edited June 18 by Fudge Nuggets

[Sawbonz 26871]

2 hours ago, LTbear said:

I found this funny, then I got to the end, where you mention your wife. Because until then I thought you were telling a story from childhood. Then it became hilarious. 

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

Leak for Trump: one of the questions will definitely be, “Who won the election in 2020?”

[DDD Dad 14062]

5 hours ago, YGIFS said:

We now go live to three pro-Biden low-shower pressure NY libtards:

 

Friend of mine would bring along a Speakman shower head and wrench on golf trips to replace low flow shower heads at the hotel/lodge where we stayed.  /csb

[Js1 83350]

The race is over, Trump has gone on TV in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arizona and Nebraska totaling.... $39,000. 

In case anyone was worried he was actually going to spend the electric boatloads of money he supposedly raised after the conviction.  And no Georgia or Wisconsin. 

 

[TwiceHorn 30850]

3 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

are they going to have SS on stage? I mean, we're going to have a sitting President debate a convicted felon. some of his crimes are violent. will there be a protective barrier if not? 

Trump will bring the SA, for sure.  I think the Schutz Staffel is part of Project 2025 as is the Geheime Staatspolizei.

Edited June 18 by TwiceHorn

[Underdog 28219]

Use this if trump is a no show… 

Or perhaps the baby Trump balloon. 

[tx 3 putt 75474]

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[atomheartbevo 89015]

6 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I have trouble laughing at a lot of this stuff anymore. I checked on the thread about FOX "News" and saw the videos of bald-face lying. 

They more they lie and push batshittery, the more desperate they are, which means their internal numbers look really bad and they are desperately looking for something to hurt Biden with.

[Sbbruin 21588]

I just can't belive it is possible that we may have another Trump presidency.  I feel like I'm in the Bizarro world.

[Js1 83350]

6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

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4 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

If Trump doesn’t show, he’ll be called a coward and rightly so. He’ll be a chickenshit for being afraid to go up against “senile,” “sleepy Joe.” Is he willing to be laughed at? And is he willing to pass up the opportunity to trample all over whatever restraints they try to impose on him at the debate? On national TV?

I’m not sure I agree with James Carville. I’ve heard the predictions that Trump won’t show but I’m still inclined to think he will. He hates being laughed at more than anything and he’ll be begging for it if he wimps out.

We’ll see. It will sure be fun if he bails. 

The moment his microphone gets muted, it’ll be like they are castrating him because his ability to try and dominate conversations and debates is everything to him.  I give it about 50/50 at this point whether he shows, because if they ask him a question he doesn’t like or Biden makes a comment he doesn’t like and then they mute his microphone, he could lose it bigly.  

He also runs the risk of being asked to explain some of his recent batshit remarks, and he never likes to admit he’s wrong, so any handlers he has know that he will double down on the batshittery.  I’d almost put money on it that the moderators will ask him to explain some of his latest batshit stuff, because the soundbites would be too tempting to pass up,

[David Dennison 17797]

15 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I just can't belive it is possible that we may have another Trump presidency.  I feel like I'm in the Bizarro world.

It's because the Republican Party is completely and utterly shameless.

[Brisketexan 103602]

35 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I just can't belive it is possible that we may will almost certainly have another Trump presidency.  I feel like I'm in the Bizarro world.

FIF this fucking timeline.

[DixonHur 10858]

21 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's because the Republican Party is completely and utterly shameless.

Agree to disagree... I think they are quite shameful

[tx 3 putt 75474]

44 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The moment his microphone gets muted, it’ll be like they are castrating him because his ability to try and dominate conversations and debates is everything to him.  I give it about 50/50 at this point whether he shows, because if they ask him a question he doesn’t like or Biden makes a comment he doesn’t like and then they mute his microphone, he could lose it bigly.  

He also runs the risk of being asked to explain some of his recent batshit remarks, and he never likes to admit he’s wrong, so any handlers he has know that he will double down on the batshittery.  I’d almost put money on it that the moderators will ask him to explain some of his latest batshit stuff, because the soundbites would be too tempting to pass up,

I think he shows up and walks off over being cut off

[Js1 83350]

This is so many of y’all

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Markley suffers from what he called a sort of “PTSD” from years of scandals that have failed to remove Trump from public life. The affliction presents with an unusual symptom: It makes some critics of the former president believe that anything badthat happens to Trump may end up being good for Trump.

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Democrats are always “looking for the dark lining in the silver cloud at all times,” especially with regards to Trump, says Dan Pfeiffer, former adviser to President Barack Obama and current podcast host, whose inbox and text messages filled up with this kind of anxious talk after the Trump verdict.

“It’s only natural that people would become catastrophizers about Trump,” Pfeiffer says. “But it’s actually not true that he hasn’t faced accountability. Every time he has been on the ballot since 2016, literally and figuratively, he has lost.”

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Mythologizing Trump as some kind of invincible monster who can absorb all attacks and only become stronger — that might be the thing that helps Trump and his Republican allies, Pfeiffer says. “When we pretend like he can survive anything, it imbues him with strength and gives him political advantage with a lot of people,” he says. “But the reality is, how bad a criminal do you have to be to be one of the most politically connected and richest guys around, and still be convicted of 34 counts of falsifying business records? The truth is he’s kind of a clown.”

 

[tx ind 6897]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I think he shows up and walks off over being cut off

If he walks off all Joe has to say is “ he couldn’t stand up in court and defend himself, he couldn’t stand up and debate, how can he be expected to stand up for our country and citizens?”

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

53 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The moment his microphone gets muted, it’ll be like they are castrating him because his ability to try and dominate conversations and debates is everything to him.  I give it about 50/50 at this point whether he shows, because if they ask him a question he doesn’t like or Biden makes a comment he doesn’t like and then they mute his microphone, he could lose it bigly.  

He also runs the risk of being asked to explain some of his recent batshit remarks, and he never likes to admit he’s wrong, so any handlers he has know that he will double down on the batshittery.  I’d almost put money on it that the moderators will ask him to explain some of his latest batshit stuff, because the soundbites would be too tempting to pass up,

Awhile back I mentioned that if they have a debate then they need to be able to cut Trump’s microphone to keep him from talking over his opponent. They’ve done that. I also said they should place each candidate in a clear plexiglass booth so Trump can’t roam around the stage. This morning I saw a woman on cable news wonder if Trump might leave his podium and go shout into Biden’s microphone while he’s speaking.

Trump will definitely test the limits of whatever restraints they put on him. He’ll shout and lie and hurl false accusations and try to exceed his allotted 2 minutes every time he’s asked a question. It sucks that we can’t have a legitimate debate where the two candidates just talk about policy and that for the most part the viewing public (and the media covering it) doesn’t care. 

[tx 3 putt 75474]

30 minutes ago, tx ind said:

If he walks off all Joe has to say is “ he couldn’t stand up in court and defend himself, he couldn’t stand up and debate, how can he be expected to stand up for our country and citizens?”

Per Texags, Joe will have an ear piece and Trump should go on stage with a frequency scrambler in his pocket. 

[Horn Dog 9473]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

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[SizzleChest 8162]

40 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This is so many of y’all

 

Kind of a clown?

[StassneyHorn 6440]

So… starting in July around 8 million people with student loans will now see new income driven payment amounts out of the SAVE program. 13 days from now it will be a bigger story, but loan forgiveness continues to be one of the more influential policies Joseph has gone forward with, and a very stark contrast against Republicans. 

Putting more money back in working class Americans wallets who will spend, instead of doing the Republican thing and focusing on breaks for the top 1-2 percent that frankly doesn’t trickle it down to others. One is considered a bribe, the other is good policy.

While nowhere near as big as Obamacare rollout , and with far less fanfare, the importance of getting this done correctly will be YUGE. 

Spoiler

On July 1, millions of federal student loan borrowers will see their monthly bills drop — some by as much as half — as the Biden administration’s new income-driven payment plan, known as SAVE, takes full effect.

But first, the government and its four loan servicers have to resolve a major hiccup.

Starting next month, borrowers enrolled in the SAVE plan with only undergraduate loans will have their monthly payments capped at 5 percent of their discretionary income, down from the current 10 percent limit. (Graduate school loan payments will remain at a maximum of 10 percent, while people with a mix of undergrad and graduate loans will have a weighted payment.)

The loan servicers are relying on the Education Department to send them the new loan amounts for every borrower. But the department has not yet finished making calculations, according to three people familiar with the process, who asked for anonymity because they are not authorized to speak about the issue publicly.

To buy time, the department instructed its servicers to place borrowers with payments due in early July into an administrative forbearance for the month, which means no payment from them will be required.

 

More than eight million borrowers have enrolled in the SAVE plan. Many received notices this month saying that their account had been placed into forbearance, sparking widespread surprise and confusion.

“I was freaking out a little bit,” said Iván Barragán, who got a letter from his servicer, MOHELA, last week. “I thought I had done something wrong. Then I quickly went on Twitter and saw that a bunch of people were also getting the notices.”

The letter he received from MOHELA did not say why his account status had been changed. He got an explanation only after he contacted the company, which sent back a note saying that the one-month forbearance was a timeout so his payment rate could be recalculated. (A MOHELA spokesman directed questions about the issue to the Education Department.)

Vanessa Harmoush, a spokeswoman for the Education Department, confirmed the recalculation delay.

“We look forward to providing millions of borrowers with lower monthly payments,” she said. “Some borrowers may be placed in a brief processing forbearance to ensure they can access the full benefits of the SAVE plan and that their new payment amounts are accurate.”

These forbearances will count as a qualifying month of payment for borrowers on SAVE and other plans that lead to loan forgiveness after a set number of payments, Ms. Harmoush said. (People on SAVE can have their remaining loan balances eliminated after 10 to 20 years of monthly payments.)

 

That’s a relief for Mr. Barragán, who works as an administrator for the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. He is pursuing Public Service Loan Forgiveness, a program that discharges the remaining loan balance for government and nonprofit workers after a decade of qualifying payments.

For such borrowers, this month becomes essentially a freebie; they can pay nothing and still get credit. Mr. Barragán, who recently married, plans to put the $430 he’ll save toward a planned wedding celebration.

The process of essentially restarting the $1.6 trillion federal student loan payment system last fall — after a three-year pause prompted by the economic turmoil that accompanied the coronavirus pandemic — has been turbulent.

The Biden administration has worked to overhaul the system with new rules and a plethora of fixes for long-troubled loan forgiveness programs. Those efforts have led to the elimination of $167 billion in debt for nearly five million borrowers; the SAVE payment plan allowed more than four million low-income borrowers to qualify for $0 monthly payments.

But making so many changes so quickly has been challenging, and glitches and errors — some affecting hundreds of thousands of people — have been common.

 

Representatives for loan servicers, speaking anonymously because their contracts with the Education Department prohibit them from speaking publicly, said they were frustrated by the last-minute SAVE calculation delay and the scrambling it required.

Borrowers, though, are eager to see their payments slashed next month. The reductions will happen automatically for those enrolled in SAVE.

 

Edited June 19 by StassneyHorn

[Anastasis 23214]

If these debates don’t go off it will be a fucking travesty. 

[South Austin 51633]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

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