2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

wildcat09 · June 21

14 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

my favorite justification for voting trump (ca. 2016 you heard this more) is "he's rich. he can't be bought." because rich people famously stop wanting more money.

It’s like their claim that if you tax rich people more they’ll just stop working. Beyond fucking stupid.

horncyclist · June 21

I was just looking at the electoral map this morning. If you take the safe blue states plus Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which are all statistically tied in polling average, we are spared a Trump second term. I'm up here in northern Virginia so will plan some Penn canvasing and make a lot of phone calls to those states. Biden can pull this off.

Edited June 21 by horncyclist

TexEx15 · June 21

Whitewater Horn · June 21

5 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Yes, the man who plasters his own name in huge, gilded letters on his buildings is quite the humble servant of God. Doesn’t matter, his followers live the same charade. Theater of political tribalism.

pacman · June 21

File this under things that will never get addressed under Trump or House led by Republicans...

Js1 · June 21

1 hour ago, horncyclist said:

I was just looking at the electoral map this morning. If you take the safe blue states plus Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which are all statistically tied in polling average, we are spared a Trump second term. I'm up here in northern Virginia so will plan some Penn canvasing and make a lot of phone calls to those states. Biden can pull this off.

It really is that simple. Win the blue wall, win the election. But also, run up the score - NV, AZ, GA, NC, NE-02. Fuck it, Texas and Alaska both shifted quite a bit left from 16 to 20 too

Edited June 21 by Js1

Chuckie Finster · June 21

1 hour ago, horncyclist said:

I was just looking at the electoral map this morning. If you take the safe blue states plus Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which are all statistically tied in polling average, we are spared a Trump second term. I'm up here in northern Virginia so will plan some Penn canvasing and make a lot of phone calls to those states. Biden can pull this off.

I do think Trump's path to victory hasn't been discussed enough.

He can flip Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada and still lose. If Biden wins Arizona, then Trump HAS to have Pennsylvania or Michigan. I know the 2020 election was closer than the electoral college would indicate, but Trump really has to thread the needle this year with a coalition of very different voting bases.

Fudge Nuggets · June 21

5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I do think Trump's path to victory hasn't been discussed enough.

He can flip Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada and still lose. If Biden wins Arizona, then Trump HAS to have Pennsylvania or Michigan. I know the 2020 election was closer than the electoral college would indicate, but Trump really has to thread the needle this year with a coalition of very different voting bases.

Dotard is out there promising all sorts of free shit to those that loathe free-loaders. They are going to eat it up. They won't get shit in the end, but that will be Soros and Hillary's fault.

YGIFS · June 21

Pop Quiz: What was the largest shift in number of popular votes for the same candidate (be it challenger or incumbent), from one election to the next?

Red Five · June 21

9 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Pop Quiz: What was the largest shift in number of popular votes for the same candidate (be it challenger or incumbent), from one election to the next?

Jimmy Carter?

South Austin · June 21

11 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Pop Quiz: What was the largest shift in number of popular votes for the same candidate (be it challenger or incumbent), from one election to the next?

Js1 · June 21

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

Pop Quiz: What was the largest shift in number of popular votes for the same candidate (be it challenger or incumbent), from one election to the next?

William Henry Harrison? 36.6% in an 1836 loss to 52.9% in an 1840 win (16.3%)

YGIFS · June 21

I wanted to wife Ally Sheedy after that movie. But that son of a bitch, Reagan and the war in Grenada.

hookemATL · June 21

16 minutes ago, Js1 said:

William Henry Harrison? 36.6% in an 1836 loss to 52.9% in an 1840 win (16.3%)

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Js1 · June 21

Actually Nixon gained 17.3 points from 68 to 72

HenryJames · June 21

Js1 · June 21

Trump "raised" $75.3 million in May. Non-PAC donations were $970k. Spent $7m. About 1/3 of that $75m was pledged by one dude.

Biden raised $37 million in May and $17m of that were non-PAC donations. Spent $30m

Biden also raised $40 million in the last 5 days, mostly via joint fundraisers with Obama and Bill

Edited June 21 by Js1

Pancho · June 21

Rubio scares me a bit

Js1 · June 21

Vance and Rubio don’t bring enough money for Trump. He needs Burgum’s net worth. He’d probably take Vivek’s but too brown

immamac · June 21

JD Vance makes an already unserious trump candidate a complete joke of a ticket. I don't think they can pick him. Rubio is out cuz he isn't stepping down and moving before November. Bergum is the only logical choice.

YGIFS · June 21

Remember the first year of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that Rubio played a pivotal back-channel role because he knows his foreign policy shit. And see how he got almost radio silent in the last-year, and not in a good way? It was to garner favor with MAGA nation who didn't think we should be remotely involved in supporting Ukraine despite Marco knowing better. It was an understandable play by Rubio. But now, Burgum is literally laying out stacks of cash on a table, and that's the only thing that moves Trump's mushroom dick besides Ivanka's laundry. Vane could be a play given his Rust Belt connectivity where the GOP has bled votes the last few cycles. But if the writing is on the wall that Donald can't win, he'll gladly take Burgum's cash and run. But yeah, outta the three-the one who is actually qualified is Rubio but he has no shot at it at all.

Brisketexan · June 21

6 hours ago, South Austin said:

6 hours ago, YGIFS said:

I wanted to wife Ally Sheedy after that movie. But that son of a bitch, Reagan and the war in Grenada.

YGIFS beat me to it. Wargames Ally Sheedy made my heart go pitter patter and such. She was delightful and perfect.

WBT · June 21

7 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

He can flip Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada and still lose.

It's almost like he committed a bunch of felonies for no reason last time

UpperWestside · June 21

On 6/15/2024 at 5:41 PM, TexArcher said:

When an aggy can say this to you and we all nod in agreement rather that pointing out the irony, man, do you need a new screen name. This one is fucking cooked.

As may have been already mentioned it seems like that name has been nuked from this site. I am sure he’ll be back only to be banned again and again.

chainsaw · June 21

Burgum is gonna end up in Schitt's Creek

UpperWestside · June 21

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Remember the first year of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, that Rubio played a pivotal back-channel role because he knows his foreign policy shit. And see how he got almost radio silent in the last-year, and not in a good way? It was to garner favor with MAGA nation who didn't think we should be remotely involved in supporting Ukraine despite Marco knowing better. It was an understandable play by Rubio. But now, Burgum is literally laying out stacks of cash on a table, and that's the only thing that moves Trump's mushroom dick besides Ivanka's laundry. Vane could be a play given his Rust Belt connectivity where the GOP has bled votes the last few cycles. But if the writing is on the wall that Donald can't win, he'll gladly take Burgum's cash and run. But yeah, outta the three-the one who is actually qualified is Rubio but he has no shot at it at all.

Rubio can kick rocks. He is subservient to the lowest intellectual rungs of our population. What a waste.

yoladu · June 21

5 hours ago, HenryJames said:

ok, i did laugh at Mr. Kurd.

chainsaw · June 21

4 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

He is subservient to the lowest intellectual rungs of our population

"R-FL" if you're into the whole brevity thing

Edited June 21 by chainsaw

South Austin · June 21

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wargames Ally Sheedy made my heart go pitter patter and such. She was delightful and perfect.

And she cleaned up quite nicely at the end of detention.

tx ind · June 21

10 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

"R-FL" if you're into the whole brevity thing

If it’s Rubio at least one of them would be able to vote for their own ticket in Florida

Snake Diggity · June 22

I could see Rubio being Trump’s Sec of State pick. Hard to see him being VP.

'stache · June 22

20 hours ago, Js1 said:

Vance and Rubio don’t bring enough money for Trump. He needs Burgum’s net worth. He’d probably take Vivek’s but too brown

The report is just to make it look like he’s going through the process. The rich guy has already bought the position. Trump is broke and pathetic.

Goredho · June 22

On 6/21/2024 at 6:25 AM, wildcat09 said:

It’s like their claim that if you tax rich people more they’ll just stop working. Beyond fucking stupid.

Worse than a rich and entitled man’s greed is a rich and entitled man’s desperation.

Sawbonz · June 22

On 6/21/2024 at 7:25 AM, wildcat09 said:

It’s like their claim that if you tax rich people more they’ll just stop working. Beyond fucking stupid.

Rich people don’t work, at least in the sense of w2 income. High level earners will definitely stop working beyond a certain threshold. Increasing capital gains (at least the way we do it) hurts pensioners as much as fat cats

we should have a graduated tax that works the same regardless of classification of income

WhatTheBuck · June 22

On 6/21/2024 at 10:29 AM, Js1 said:

Actually Nixon gained 17.3 points from 68 to 72

He cheated.

Js1 · June 22

19 hours ago, tx ind said:

If it’s Rubio at least one of them would be able to vote for their own ticket in Florida

Rubio will change his residence to “Trump’s ass”

atomheartbevo · June 22

23 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Rubio will change his residence to “Trump’s ass”

ChuckNorrisActionJeans · June 22

20 hours ago, South Austin said:

And she cleaned up quite nicely at the end of detention.

booo that was the worst makeover ever!

C-Man · June 22

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/politics/trump-campaign-seeks-to-head-off-convention-revolt-from-its-right-flank/ar-BB1oGNzp

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PHOENIX — Arizona delegates to the Republican National Convention gathered this month in a Phoenix suburb, showing up to get to know each other and learn about their duties.

Part of the presentation included a secret plan to throw the party’s nomination of Donald Trump for president into chaos.

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The instructions did not come from “Never Trumpers” hoping to stop the party from nominating a felon when delegates gather in Milwaukee next month. They instead came from avowed “America First” believers hatching a challenge from the far right — a plot to release the delegates from their pledge to support Trump, according to people present and briefed on the meeting, slides from the presentation and private messages obtained by The Washington Post.

The delegates said the gambit would require support from several other state delegations, and it wasn’t clear whether those allies had been lined up. One idea, discussed as attendees ate finger-foods, was for co-conspirators to signal their allegiance to one another by wearing matching black jackets.

The exact purpose of the maneuver was not clear — and left some delegates puzzled and alarmed. People familiar with the meeting, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations, said that perhaps the intent was to block an undesirable running mate. Most of the dozen GOP officials or activists interviewed by The Post even ventured that the aim may have been to substitute former national security adviser Michael Flynn for Trump if the former president is sentenced to prison time. Among some on the far right, suspicions have intensified that the former president has surrounded himself with too many advisers beholden to the “deep state.”

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Whatever the goal, the Trump campaign rushed to head off the stunt and replace the delegates. One campaign staffer involved in the cleanup described it to at least two Republicans as an “existential threat” to Trump’s nomination next month, two people familiar with conversations told The Post. To another Republican, the staffer described the scenario discussed by the Arizona delegates, however unlikely, as being “the only process that would prevent Trump from being the nominee.”

The episode in Arizona — a swing state where Republicans have been gripped by especially strong doubts about the integrity of elections — unfolded mostly out of sight.

The campaign and the Arizona delegates reached an agreement that there would be no disruptions at the convention. Still, suspicions lingered about other state delegations, according to a campaign official who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly. He declined to elaborate.

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The fracas exposed the challenges of choreographing next month’s convention in Milwaukee, where some 5,000 delegates and alternates will participate — many of them inclined toward the falsehoods and conspiracy theories that animate many of Trump’s supporters.

“See this is what happens in a war between Good and Evil,” Chris Hamlet, one of the Arizona delegates involved in the plan, told other delegates in a private messaging chat. “We’re never going to get along and hold hands and sing kumbaya, that’s just not how it works.”

The 2016 Republican convention briefly descended into a shouting match during a short-lived bid by Trump’s Republican opponents to derail his nomination. This time, the Trump campaign has worked quietly and steadily to line up delegates who are unswervingly loyal Trump fans, just in case any of his defeated primary opponents try to disrupt the proceedings.

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Delegates this year include at least one organizer of the rally that preceded the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, as well as individuals who are being prosecuted for participating in a strategy that falsely declared Trump had won their states in 2020.

Even so, suspicions have circulated among Trump’s supporters that covert saboteurs have somehow infiltrated their ranks. At the Georgia GOP convention in May, one would-be delegate withdrew after being accused of having lobbied for Dominion Voting Systems, a frequent target for false claims of fraud in the 2020 election.

“I have had to spend far too much time dealing with intra party power struggles, and local intra party animosities,” Illinois Republican Party Chairman Don Tracy said in a resignation letter this month. “We have Republicans who would rather fight other Republicans than engage in the harder work of defeating incumbent Democrats by convincing swing voters to vote Republican.”

Next month’s convention is supposed to be a pro forma affair, a made-for-television event where the delegates put their stamp on a decision already made by Republican primary voters, who overwhelmingly backed Trump this year.

That’s what has made the presentation in Arizona about changing the rules so baffling, according to GOP officials and activists who were interviewed for this story.

“Suspending of the rules would then allow an open forum to consider alternate candidates to Trump,” one person involved in the state’s delegate drama said.

Several other Republicans involved in the discussions suggested motives that revolved around the same idea: money.

“I suspect that they really don’t want us to win … they’re making money on the election integrity stuff,” a Republican said of efforts by activists aligned with some of the most far-fetched conspiracy theories of fraudulent balloting. “They make money when we lose.”

A GOP committeeman sports a Trump 2024 cowboy hat autographed by Arizona politicians. (Rebecca Noble for The Washington Post)

The group of delegates that caused alarm with the Trump campaign was led by Shelby Busch, chair of the Arizona delegation and leader of a political action committee she helped create in 2020.

The group, the We the People AZ Alliance, has raised nearly $1 million, according to state campaign finance records. The group is closely aligned with Senate candidate Kari Lake (R) and is funded largely by entities linked to prominent election deniers such as Flynn and Patrick Byrne, a former Overstock.com executive who is no longer affiliated with the company.

On Tuesday, Byrne wrote in a post on X that Trump, based on some of his endorsements, “is still surrounded by DEEP STATE nobodies” who tell the former president to choose a vice president that won’t overshadow him. “In two weeks Trump is going to be either in jail or under house arrest,” Byrne wrote. “His VP needs to be a General.” The post tagged Flynn’s social media profile.

Busch convened the June meeting where another delegate and party activist, Joe Neglia, gave a presentation that included information on a maneuver to suspend the convention’s rules and take over the proceedings from the floor, according to those present or briefed on the meeting. Neglia declined to comment.

When the Trump campaign heard about the meeting, a staffer started working with local party officials and activists to recruit new delegates to replace the six who had gathered.

“The leaders of this group, Shelby Busch and Joe Neglia, are engaged in a multi-state conspiracy to suspend the rules at the national convention,” the campaign said in a memo outlining the plan to recruit new delegates and swear them in instead of the six.

Busch’s bloc responded by accusing those challenging their status of being part of “an anti-Trump establishment group,” seeking to sabotage Trump from within his own campaign and the RNC.

“This is an orchestrated effort by our political adversaries using the same vile Democrat tactics on display against our beloved President Trump,” her group said in a statement this week. “The Arizona grassroots Patriots that love our President Donald Trump overwhelmingly voted for our delegation because they know us and our work in Arizona to save our state and our country, our unwavering support for Trump, and they know they can trust us to vote for Trump even if he is incarcerated.”

(Trump is scheduled to be sentenced in New York on 34 felony convictions on July 11, a few days before the convention starts.)

On Thursday, Busch reached an agreement with the campaign that Neglia would step aside, the other delegates could remain, and there would be no revolt on the floor, according to people familiar with the conversations. That resolution defused the threat, but it left some of the volunteer replacements feeling jilted for having stepped up to help the campaign, taken heat and then cast off.

“It was campaign- and RNC-driven,” said one of the recruited replacements. “There was no reason for any of us to do this other than to help the campaign.”

Another volunteer said in a private chatroom message obtained by The Post that the “juvenile rhetoric used toward fellow delegation members” was disappointing to him. “These actions were done at the request of the candidate we are all legally bound and proud to nominate in a few weeks.”

Campaign political director James Blair moved to smooth things over with a public statement thanking them for their service and praising their loyalty to Trump, while also announcing Busch’s commitment to cooperate with the campaign.

“It’s not just a question of loyal Trump support, it’s willingness to not do anything that could distract from the historic nomination and celebration of President Trump, which is a four-day commercial,” the campaign official said. “There’s Trump supporters on all sides. Sometimes people want to use that forum to fight about little things, and we don’t want that. We don’t want anything that could distract.”

Meanwhile, the Arizona Republican Party chair wrote to fellow conservatives that the delegation’s private chat had become its own distraction.

“I’m closing the thread,” the post said. “It’s hurting the ability to function as a team.”

atomheartbevo · June 22

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/politics/trump-campaign-seeks-to-head-off-convention-revolt-from-its-right-flank/ar-BB1oGNzp

So right-wingers who think Trump will go to jail or take a RINO running mate or is beholden to the deep state trying to tank his nomination.

George Soros is getting a good return on his investments in splitting the GOP.

Biff Tannen · June 23

5 hours ago, C-Man said:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/politics/trump-campaign-seeks-to-head-off-convention-revolt-from-its-right-flank/ar-BB1oGNzp

lol wut

tx 3 putt · June 23

Democracy must be saved …

Biff Tannen · June 23

13 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Democracy must be saved …

I mean, fuck around and find out. Brisket knows how this ends.

TheStoicPaisano · June 23

Fafo

tx 3 putt · June 23

38 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I mean, fuck around and find out. Brisket knows how this ends.

They want the house reps to decide the vote or state house.

Edited June 23 by tx 3 putt

C-Man · June 23

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Democracy must be saved …

Here’s the thing. He doesn’t give two shits if anybody votes in 2025, 2026 or 2028 because THIS IS ALL ABOUT HIM! If he wins in November, he can make the most harmful cases to him go away with the wave of a hand. Then he’ll go about enriching himself and maybe his family in the next four years. If he’s still alive, and still enjoying what he’s doing, he might decide to stay in the Oval Office until death. I don’t think he really cares about Project 2025 — he’s playing the game in order to get elected because that’s what saves his ass, which is all he really, really cares about.

Biff Tannen · June 23

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

They want the house reps to decide the vote or state house.

Yeah, but that’s not how this ends

tx 3 putt · June 23

29 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Yeah, but that’s not how this ends

They already have the judges picked. they’ll claim fraud and fake votes in all the battle Ground states. R’s fully believe their Supreme Court will agree and then it goes to the house

Sawbonz · June 23

15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

They already have the judges picked. they’ll claim fraud and fake votes in all the battle Ground states. R’s fully believe their Supreme Court will agree and then it goes to the house

If he were the sitting president maybe. Biden will ignore any SCOTUS ruling like that. Harris will certify the election and that will be it

tx 3 putt · June 23

30 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

If he were the sitting president maybe. Biden will ignore any SCOTUS ruling like that. Harris will certify the election and that will be it

hopefully

resurrection 2.0 will be much better organized and more violent

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