2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[henrygandorf 29225]

6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

the short version would be that twice as many people are motivated by Harris’s big issue then are by Trump’s big issue

trump has spent the past week barely talking about the border/immigration. it was probably written in his speech but trump can't read, so there's that.

[Tonesky 1056]

13 minutes ago, Pancho said:

5 Fulton County locations get extended voting due to Russian bomb threats

Trump TRO request in 3, 2, 1….

[Gatorubet 30710]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Counterpoint: James Carville and others were raising the alarm a few days before but everybody ignored them - there were red flags for Hillary (none of which were present for Kamala).

James says that, unequivocally, Kamala will win. While that is not a guarantee of victory, I tend to believe the crazy ragin’ Cajun on presidential election demographics.

[Js1 87174]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

James says that, unequivocally, Kamala will win. While that is not a guarantee of victory, I tend to believe the crazy ragin’ Cajun on presidential election demographics.

He’s like Nancy Pelosi, they are plugged in with more people in the know than we ever could imagine 

[Rimbo 27000]

Just now, Js1 said:

He’s like Nancy Pelosi, they are plugged in with more people in the know than we ever could imagine 

nobody knows shit about fuck

[quigley 1565]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

He’s like Nancy Pelosi, they are plugged in with more people in the know than we ever could imagine 

Pelosi needs a bad ass nickname.

[Gatorubet 30710]

I finally got the MSNBC app to work on my phone with the cruise line Wi-Fi through my home cable service - so I get to listen to Rachel and the crew, and my boy steve karnaki.

I’m gruntled. 

[speed817 19890]

[TwiceHorn 32071]

5 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

And that’s your opinion. Some of us are sick of the politics on both sides after the last few years.  Is it worse from the republicans, sure.  But both care more about being the opposite of the other nothing will ever get done in the near future. 

In this case, being the opposite of Trump means being quite normal, human even.

[gmr548 16684]

2 hours ago, UTGrad98 said:

We knew pretty early on in 2016 things weren't going well. Like I remember by 8pm going oh fuck he is gonna win. 

 

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

I remember 2016 turning on a dime. I forget what states came in but it went from pretty much a coronation to “oh shit Trump just won”. Then Hillary conceded like an hour later. Good times.

 

2 hours ago, quigley said:

At like 8, there were FL counties that should've been deep blue that were pink. I said exactly that, "oh shit, Trump won."

It was Florida + the margin in Ohio. I remember it vividly.

I kept watching to see if she could pull out WI/MI/PA but I knew in my mind pretty early on.

[Huckleberry 34578]

Well shit guys. Harris County was 55.6-43.2 for Biden in early voting. It was 51.3-47.4 for Harris. I know a shift is expected in terms of early versus election day voting but bottom line is that is too much of a shift considering that early is 75% of total votes. Gonna have to say that Harris almost certainly went redder this year.

Only slight positive is Allred was 53.0-44.8, but that ain't nearly enough. 

@Js1 you got any job openings for smart as fuck Longhorn assholes in Colorado?

[CooterBrown 18287]

I hate these early returns. None of those states matter but I hate that piece of shit having 100 electoral votes by default.

[CooterBrown 18287]

[mention=795]Js1[/mention] you got any job openings for smart as fuck Longhorn assholes in Colorado?

When Trump and Elon crash the economy there won’t be any jobs anywhere.

[Mdhorn 6166]

[Pods 7637]

Georgia and North Carolina starting to turn. 

Edited November 6 by Pods

[Cairn Horn88 8502]

3 hours ago, quigley said:

Pelosi needs a bad ass nickname.

Nancy….isn’t badass enough for ya?

[Slacks 7045]

All this talk about Chili's and Philly has caused me to buy Philly Cheesesteaks for dinner. 

What's the score?

[Pods 7637]

@BamaATL How you feeling? What's still outstanding?

[BamaATL 16593]

1 minute ago, Pods said:

@BamaATL How you feeling? What's still outstanding?

Basically Gwinett EV, which would in all likelihood have us about even, Clarke County (Athens), Chatamn (Savannah), and then the urban margins, which favor us.  Feeling ok.

Magic Number is now looking to be about 2.75 million (50% for either candidate)

[texas08 1599]

Did this thread reopen for shots of hopium or what?

[CooterBrown 18287]

It’s anecdotal data, but there sure are a lot of out of state Texan college students who never received their absentee ballots. I know of two from my neighborhood that flew back just to vote and another who never received his ballot and when he called to check in it he was told that it was mailed so there was nothing that could be done.

[David Dennison 19511]

Turn out the lights?

[F250 29195]

33 minutes ago, texas08 said:

Did this thread reopen for shots of hopium or what?

Well, I spent the last hour and a half sitting outside in this beautiful hill country weather sitting in my gazebo sipping Balvenie 12 looking through my telescope at the night's sky while smoking an A.F. Hemingway Masterpiece. Probably should have smoked some weed.

I am now perfectly buzzed and relaxed so I am ready to ruin a great evening by catching up on the election results. I figure we will not know shit about fuck until tomorrow but I am ready to take a peak.

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1279]

Well, I spent the last hour and a half sitting outside in this beautiful hill country weather sitting in my gazebo sipping Balvenie 12 looking through my telescope at the night's sky while smoking an A.F. Hemingway Masterpiece. Probably should have smoked some weed.
I am now perfectly buzzed and relaxed so I am ready to ruin a great evening by catching up on the election results. I figure we will not know shit about fuck until tomorrow but I am ready to take a peak.

[Snake Diggity 4713]

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Basically Gwinett EV, which would in all likelihood have us about even, Clarke County (Athens), Chatamn (Savannah), and then the urban margins, which favor us.  Feeling ok.

Magic Number is now looking to be about 2.75 million (50% for either candidate)

Fuck you

[NorthLoop 14459]

wrong thread

Edited November 6 by NorthLoop

[CTC2 2865]

53 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It’s anecdotal data, but there sure are a lot of out of state Texan college students who never received their absentee ballots. I know of two from my neighborhood that flew back just to vote and another who never received his ballot and when he called to check in it he was told that it was mailed so there was nothing that could be done.

I know one in NYC that didn’t get her ballot until yesterday from Travis Cty. 

[quigley 1565]

3 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Nancy….isn’t badass enough for ya?

she kept her end of the bargain

[Cairn Horn88 8502]

6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

James says that, unequivocally, Kamala will win. While that is not a guarantee of victory, I tend to believe the crazy ragin’ Cajun on presidential election demographics.

…..well, apparently, he is a crazy ragin’ Cajun! ….. nttawwt.

 

 

 

[Sbbruin 22142]

23 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Totally this for me.

I have felt like I want to puke all day so far, and it will only get worse.

I love my country.  I love it so much it hurts. It has given my family opportunity for generations.  It has been a place that is and always has been wildly imperfect yet, somehow, has found a way to improve over time.  As they say, "reformed, but always reforming."  We are a good country, and we have tried over time to become a great one.  It is a process, but one that - for most of my life - I believed we continued to move towards.  Yes, with failures, yes, with missteps, but overall heading in the right historical direction.

The past 15+ years have caused me to doubt that (Obama's election revealed how awful a huge swath of our country and fellow citizens are, and it has only gotten MUCH worse).  

I truly don't know who "we the people" are anymore.  I don't believe, like I once did, that we can and will find ways to be better.

I want to hope that we will.  But hope, in these times, is a precursor to disappointment.  And we've had a cascade of disappointments, shocking ones.  To my dying day, I will never forget those moments on January 6th when, driving through nowhere W. Texas, I heard them announce that the insurrectionists had broken through and were inside the Capitol.  As our phones started blowing up from friends all over the world asking us "WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?"

I want to believe that we can be the nation I knew and believed in most of my life.  But I also know that we are the nation that had January 6th, and might have another one of those.

This feeling is like being in crisis with someone you deeply love.  Will she go off the deep end, turning her back on all the things that made her good, and leading you to the inevitable conclusion of "she's gone....this relationship isn't worth saving?"  Or will she find her way to reaffirm the best of who she is and can be, so you think "there she is....the person I love is still there?"  I feel like I would if I was sitting in my living room, waiting for her answer.  And yeah, I wanna puke.

I love her.  And she's been breaking my fucking heart.

This was our concern dude.  And here we are.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34101]

hopefully we'll get to see what a POTUS in prison looks like. that would be hilarious.

[David Dennison 19511]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

hopefully we'll get to see what a POTUS in prison looks like. that would be hilarious.

Stop doing this to yourself. He's not going to prison.

[Frank Drebin 5834]

3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

hopefully we'll get to see what a POTUS in prison looks like. that would be hilarious.

He was just acquitted last night by the American electorate, who rejected these ridiculous political legal maneuvers. 

You come at the king, you best not miss.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34101]

King Trump. Guess I should get used to it.

[HellesBier 190]

So gentleman, was I wrong or was I right?

[HellesBier 190]

chirp chirp crickets crickets

I told you what was going to happen and yall ignoring this is the exact reason he was elected. You pretend to be in bubble where you suck each other off and are obvious to Americans.

[BearSchlong 8238]

Wow, I was very wrong.

White privilege sure did bite me in the ass.

I had no idea brown people were so racist, nor the devastation that inflation inflicted on average people, nor that misogyny was alive and well.

[Degenerate Gardner 4157]

 

[washparkhorn 9972]

The shift from progressive (FDR) economic messaging to Thatcher/Reagan austerity helped usher in a Republican House in 2022 and a dismal Red Tide in 2024.

Courting Republicans doesn’t work. Punching down does not work. FDR economic policy may be distasteful for Establishment Dems to embrace. But austerity is a losing hand for Democrats. 

Time is a flat circle. 

[HellesBier 190]

4 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

Wow, I was very wrong.

White privilege sure did bite me in the ass.

I had no idea brown people were so racist, nor the devastation that inflation inflicted on average people, nor that misogyny was alive and well.

people arent racist, youre just a loser and this is how you sleep at night. you drunk.

[washparkhorn 9972]

The shift from FDR economic policies to austerity under Biden/Harris:

[washparkhorn 9972]

The US economy is in good shape overall. But austerity dramatically impacted those less well off. Trump capitalized on those impacted by Biden/Harris austerity. 
 

Edited November 7 by washparkhorn

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19305]

So, given the Congress that Biden had starting in 2022, what exactly could have been done?

Further, I believe a lot of these programs were forced to end becuase of lawsuits, etc...

Laying all the blame on the Biden and Harris is disingenuous.

Also, if Biden were to try to use his executive order power, more than often than not, it would be blocked by useful idiot state AGs like Paxton, or the idiots in Oklahome or Missouri. 

So, given all those factors, what do you suggest be done?

Edited November 7 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Nivek 17404]

Election was stolen. I drove down my street and only 1 Trump sign. More Harris signs. Rigged.

People are saying the Russians invaded and voted using Elon’s starlink machines.

Trump faked the assassination. It’s why the gun he used was so wrong. And the other guy wasn’t an assassin, he was just a tourist.

Rigged. I demand a recount, and only I get to choose who is qualified to recount the votes.

(Am I doing this right?)

[Yev Kassem 1078]

There’s plenty of blame to go around.

First and foremost— Biden not making plans to step aside starting in 2022. He ran on being a one term president and he reneged on that idea. Whether it was arrogance, hubris, naivete or a combination of all three, this was the first major blunder that led to last night. 

Next, when it was obvious that Biden wasn’t up to task anymore, the rushed coronation of Kamala without the slightest amount of public discourse probably left a bad taste in the mouths of many Dems (and potentially independents). I get that a quick decision had to be made, so this is collateral damage to Biden not stepping aside sooner. 

I get that she’s the sitting VP and has impressive credentials, but she was one of the earliest dem primary candidates eliminated in 2020. She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  Again, if Biden had stepped aside sooner and there was a true primary earlier this year I think either of them would have blown Kamala out of the water during that process. 

Once Kamala was announced, not naming Shapiro or Beshear as VP was probably the second biggest blunder behind Biden not stepping aside. With Shapiro you lock down Pennsylvania in the must-win state for both candidates. I get that Walz is folksy and is popular, but when you see him on tv he doesn’t scream “National candidate”. Governor/congress, I totally get it. 

But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

[David Dennison 19511]

32 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

The shift from FDR economic policies to austerity under Biden/Harris:

Bill Clinton made it OK for Democrats to disregard poor people.

[linux 1784]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Bill Clinton made it OK for Democrats to disregard poor people.

And then have his walking corpse show up 20 years later to claim poor people deserve it. (I know he was talking about Gazans still)

[linux 1784]

9 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

There’s plenty of blame to go around.

First and foremost— Biden not making plans to step aside starting in 2022. He ran on being a one term president and he reneged on that idea. Whether it was arrogance, hubris, naivete or a combination of all three, this was the first major blunder that led to last night. 

Next, when it was obvious that Biden wasn’t up to task anymore, the rushed coronation of Kamala without the slightest amount of public discourse probably left a bad taste in the mouths of many Dems (and potentially independents). I get that a quick decision had to be made, so this is collateral damage to Biden not stepping aside sooner. 

I get that she’s the sitting VP and has impressive credentials, but she was one of the earliest dem primary candidates eliminated in 2020. She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  Again, if Biden had stepped aside sooner and there was a true primary earlier this year I think either of them would have blown Kamala out of the water during that process. 

Once Kamala was announced, not naming Shapiro or Beshear as VP was probably the second biggest blunder behind Biden not stepping aside. With Shapiro you lock down Pennsylvania in the must-win state for both candidates. I get that Walz is folksy and is popular, but when you see him on tv he doesn’t scream “National candidate”. Governor/congress, I totally get it. 

But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

She lost Wiscy and Michigan, picking Shapiro and saving Penn is a woopsy fucking do, I do agree that Biden wanting us to return to normalcy was a gicantic red flag we all saw comming, the new normal is rage, not civility, logic, or good governance tradition. Should have been working 24/7 to prevent what just happened right now, never ending handouts last year when inflation was dying would have helped, but he thought a graph number was more relevant than disposable income to pay for food. 

[linux 1784]

43 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, given the Congress that Biden had starting in 2022, what exactly could have been done?

Further, I believe a lot of these programs were forced to end becuase of lawsuits, etc...

Laying all the blame on the Biden and Harris is disingenuous.

Also, if Biden were to try to use his executive order power, more than often than not, it would be blocked by useful idiot state AGs like Paxton, or the idiots in Oklahome or Missouri. 

So, given all those factors, what do you suggest be done?

Keep doing it, it is more about the news than about the money, make stunts like handing them out in DC and telling them to hurry before Republicans steal their money. So many creative ways to do this and it boggles the mind that only student loan forgiveness was tried twice.

[Old Freak Nasty 821]

13 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

 But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

I don't really get this take.  If you look at who delivered the fatal blow to Harris in the decisive states, it was people who were NEVER going to vote for her no matter how she campaigned.  Her goose was cooked by her gender as unfair as it is.

Unless you think doing so would have juiced turnout for her, but how much juice was left to squeeze there?

If there are free and fair presidential elections in 28 I'm pretty sure Trump will do a fine enough hatchet job on the economy to hand the presidency to the democratic nominee, if it's a white male from the heartland.  We will have to endure a lot of pain in the interim.