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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Well that's all fun, but even if true, what does it matter at this point?

It wouldn’t change the government, but it stands a chance of changing the narrative. 
 

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Vague and anonymous.

Although it seems plausible, maybe even likely, I'm not seeing enough evidence.

Agreed. Which is why I posted a link to sign a petition asking for a recount (of one fucking county in one state.) For the datapoint. 

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

I’m sure they tried, because every accusation. The sad part is that it probably wasn’t needed.

Because I am unclear on the meaning of your second sentence, I was reminded of the Churchill quote about fighting (fascism) on every conceivable front.

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You don't need to go to deep to see the things that were covered every day in broad daylight and nobody cared.  I'm thinking Elon and the 290 million he spent.  And the dumb voter lottery fake out thing he pulled.  Thought I read somewhere that the winners were plants and they didn't get paid.  Could be wrong.

Anyway the very allowance of the amount of money in elections from billionaires openly seeking buying influence should be the issue imo.  Not some questionable thing in New York which wouldn't have changed the national outcome anyway but for some reason reddit has glomed on to as an 'election was stolen!' story.

 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Vague and anonymous.

Although it seems plausible, maybe even likely, I'm not seeing enough evidence.

I agree that it's vague, but in this age of political violence and right wing extremism I won't give anyone a hard time about being anonymous.

Their evidence boils down to the fact that the results are statistically nonsensical (in their opinion):

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The Outcome

Data that makes no statistical sense. A clean sweep in all seven swing states.
The fall of the Blue Wall. Eighty-eight counties flipped red—not one flipped blue.
Every victory landed just under the threshold that would trigger an automatic recount. Donald Trump outperformed expectations in down-ballot races with margins never before seen—while Kamala Harris simultaneously underperformed in those exact same areas.

If one were to accept these results at face value—Donald Trump, a 34-count convicted felon, supposedly outperformed Ronald Reagan. According to the co-founder of the Election Truth Alliance:

“These anomalies didn’t happen nationwide. They didn’t even happen across all voting methods—this just doesn’t reflect human voting behavior.”

They were concentrated.
Targeted.
Specific to swing states and Texas—and specific to Election Day voting.

And the supposed explanation? “Her policies were unpopular.”

Let’s think this through logically. We’re supposed to believe that in all the battleground states, Democratic voters were so disillusioned by Vice President Harris’s platform that they voted blue down ballot—but flipped to Trump at the top of the ticket?

Not in early voting.
Not by mail.
With exception to Nevada, only on Election Day.
And only after a certain threshold of ballots had been cast—where VP Harris’s numbers begin to diverge from her own party, and Trump’s suddenly begin to surge. As President Biden would say, “C’mon, man.”

In the world of election data analysis, there’s a term for that: vote-flipping algorithm.

I think it should be investigated.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Vague and anonymous.

Although it seems plausible, maybe even likely, I'm not seeing enough evidence.

In fairness, you wouldn't consider it enough evidence unless Elmo and the Palantir CEO signed sworn affidavits in blood saying they did it and attached photos of them doing it.

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18 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

In fairness, you wouldn't consider it enough evidence unless Elmo and the Palantir CEO signed sworn affidavits in blood saying they did it and attached photos of them doing it.

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2 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

This is amusing. The MAGAts are way, WAY too incompetent to pull this off. 

MAGAts alone, yes.

But the right wing?The dark money guys? Leonard Leo and Koch Bros motherfuckers? Who see Trump as a useful idiot and MAGA as a means to an end?

I think they know how to get it done competently, and to keep the Trump campaign as uninvolved as possible both for plausible deniability and because the more involved they are the more likely one of his incompetent sycophants will fuck it up.

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While there is a tiny part of me that thinks there was digital election interference, due to the strange voting results nationwide, that article says nothing of value. 

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

This reads like a bad movie version of how someone thinks tech works.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but yeah.

This. Seems like enough to warrant an investigation on the technical side of things and if we could nail Peter Thiel for stealing elections I'd volunteer to be on the firing squad, but claims like "it's statistically impossible for all the blue wall states to flip" are ridiculous. Basically the same shit happens in every election, because voters in different states behave similarly. Swing voters in Pennsylvania and swing voters in North Carolina are influenced by the same media and thus tend to behave about the same.  The answer to "how did he flip so many counties and she didn't flip any" is "that's what it tends to look like when one wins and the other loses." Maybe it hasn't looked exactly like it did in 2024 before, but that doesn't in itself mean anything, because you're bound to find something new in every election. 

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Vague and anonymous.

Although it seems plausible, maybe even likely, I'm not seeing enough evidence.

I posted this in another thread. I actually know one of the main people behind this (believe it's the person that created the Substack). They are former military intelligence IIRC. This person called me not long after the election with some of the tidbits that wound up in this piece. They were the first to tell me about the "bullet ballots" being wildly more numerous than in usual elections. (They also claim that Allred beat Cruz, which is where I began cocking my eyebrows.)

I want to believe this because at least that restores some faith in my fellow Americans but also want to avoid falling down the same "stolen election" BS that we accuse MAGA of doing. Plus, barring something absolutely insane coming out this will have zero effect. I wish them the very best of luck. As somebody said in response to my post the other day, if this is true this is probably the biggest scandal in the history of this country.

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3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I posted this in another thread. I actually know one of the main people behind this (believe it's the person that created the Substack). They are former military intelligence IIRC. This person called me not long after the election with some of the tidbits that wound up in this piece. They were the first to tell me about the "bullet ballots" being wildly more numerous than in usual elections. (They also claim that Allred beat Cruz, which is where I began cocking my eyebrows.)

I want to believe this because at least that restores some faith in my fellow Americans but also want to avoid falling down the same "stolen election" BS that we accuse MAGA of doing. Plus, barring something absolutely insane coming out this will have zero effect. I wish them the very best of luck. As somebody said in response to my post the other day, if this is true this is probably the biggest scandal in the history of this country.

I just need to see some harder evidence than this. This is nothing but vague conjecture and a jumble of tech words that don't necessarily make much sense.

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Are we going to do this every election now? Yes, yes we are. The more logical explanation is that this country is full of just awful people. It's who we are. Trump is just the symptom and manifestation of what this country is.

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6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I just need to see some harder evidence than this. This is nothing but vague conjecture and a jumble of tech words that don't necessarily make much sense.

Sounds like they're working on it. I saw this person late last week at a luncheon and was told that they posted it the day before (maybe two days) and they've gotten a bunch of people reaching out and giving them donations to investigate further, I guess. This person thinks the DOGE kids are the ones who wrote all the code that set it up so the election computers could communicate with Starlink satellites and not appear "online." Who the fuck knows? I still think there's no chance Trump won the election fair-and-square. I also know that we probably haven't had a truly fair-and-square election in the history of this country.

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4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

This person thinks the DOGE kids are the ones who wrote all the code that set it up so the election computers could communicate with Starlink satellites and not appear "online."

See this is what I'm talking about. That doesn't make any sense. You can't code a satellite transceiver into existence and there is no way to hide that kind of communication.

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Fine… computer mainframes in El Salvador linked to starlink adjacent satellites! 
 

seriously though, if there was some anomalies in just a few swing states I’d maybe give the general idea some passing thought, but the essentially the entire country went right to some degree. 

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5 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

See this is what I'm talking about. That doesn't make any sense. You can't code a satellite transceiver into existence and there is no way to hide that kind of communication.

I think their hypothesis is that when they got their hands on the election computers (didn't the CO lady go to prison for allowing that access) they were able to reverse engineer the software so that Starlink would be able to "activate" it even though they weren't connected to the internet/WiFi, or at least not visibly so. It's been several months since I had it explained to me so I might be leaving something out. It also would force you to consider Elon's involvement much sooner than the public timeline indicates. (Was he really planning this from the day he took over Twitter? I doubt it because it seems like he was trying to back out of that up until the very last minute.)

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Just now, C-Man said:

I think their hypothesis is that when they got their hands on the election computers (didn't the CO lady go to prison for allowing that access) they were able to reverse engineer the software so that Starlink would be able to "activate" it even though they weren't connected to the internet/WiFi, or at least not visibly so. It's been several months since I had it explained to me so I might be leaving something out. It also would force you to consider Elon's involvement much sooner than the public timeline indicates. (Was he really planning this from the day he took over Twitter? I doubt it because it seems like he was trying to back out of that up until the very last minute.)

This is where I am at. Let's look into it more, but for now I'm not convinced.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

In fairness, you wouldn't consider it enough evidence unless Elmo and the Palantir CEO signed sworn affidavits in blood saying they did it and attached photos of them doing it.

Well you kinda do need evidence besides the "I seen it in my head" that seems to go round here. 

Which is ultimately no better than Sidney Powell. 

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3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I think their hypothesis is that when they got their hands on the election computers (didn't the CO lady go to prison for allowing that access) they were able to reverse engineer the software so that Starlink would be able to "activate" it even though they weren't connected to the internet/WiFi, or at least not visibly so.

I hope you are misremembering what you were told because this is complete nonsense. That is not something that can be done at the software level, period. You would need a physical SATCOM transceiver directly hard-wired to an interface on the voting machine itself and, as I said before, there is no way to hide that kind of communication.

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21 minutes ago, bluto said:

Fine… computer mainframes in El Salvador linked to starlink adjacent satellites! 
 

seriously though, if there was some anomalies in just a few swing states I’d maybe give the general idea some passing thought, but the essentially the entire country went right to some degree. 

So what you are saying is every precinct is involved!

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8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I hope you are misremembering what you were told because this is complete nonsense. That is not something that can be done at the software level, period. You would need a physical SATCOM transceiver directly hard-wired to an interface on the voting machine itself and, as I said before, there is no way to hide that kind of communication.

Haven’t read the link, only the OP but wouldn’t the transceiver be placed in the UPS in this scenario, which allegedly would be able to communicate with the voting machine?

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3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Haven’t read the link, only the OP but wouldn’t the transceiver be placed in the UPS in this scenario, which allegedly would be able to communicate with the voting machine?

Yeah that's what I meant, but what's being alleged here is something done at the software level to facilitate all of this which is gobbledygook.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah that's what I meant, but what's being alleged here is something done at the software level to facilitate all of this which is gobbledygook.

I agree that a lot of theories can be ruled out based on technological impossibility but at the same time I don't need to know the exact details of how they pulled off the heist, yet. Right now I just want to see all the anomalies investigated. Start with the statistical anomalies (the bullet ballots and other odd patterns) and see where the evidence leads.

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2 hours ago, Red Five said:

I’m sure they tried, because every accusation. The sad part is that it probably wasn’t needed.

Exactly this.  

I believe they had infrastructure in place to cheat the system after the fact if they had lost.  A more effective version of the 2020 bullshit that might have caused a civil war.

But they didn't need it.  I have no problem believing that Trump won.  The warning signs were there, and a handful of us said it at the time.  The simple fact is that Trump has a silent voting bloc that does not show up in polls, but they do show up on Election Day.  We had two previous elections where Trump outperformed his polling.  It is not at all surprising that he won when the polls were as close as they were against Kamala.

About half of this country is really stupid, and they are under complete control of Fox News, Joe Rogan, and the rest of the cabal.  Darth Vader will win in 2028 if they want it that way.  They don't have to cheat.

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I posted this in another thread. I actually know one of the main people behind this (believe it's the person that created the Substack). They are former military intelligence IIRC. This person called me not long after the election with some of the tidbits that wound up in this piece. They were the first to tell me about the "bullet ballots" being wildly more numerous than in usual elections. (They also claim that Allred beat Cruz, which is where I began cocking my eyebrows.)

I want to believe this because at least that restores some faith in my fellow Americans but also want to avoid falling down the same "stolen election" BS that we accuse MAGA of doing. Plus, barring something absolutely insane coming out this will have zero effect. I wish them the very best of luck. As somebody said in response to my post the other day, if this is true this is probably the biggest scandal in the history of this country.

Yeah, so were like 100 people (allegedly) that swore out affidavits after the 2020 election swearing Biden stole it.  And the claim that Allred actually beat Cruz makes everything else virtually impossible to believe all on its own. Allred ran a dogshit campaign. 

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ok, thats enough I'm merging this thread with the election thread if you all want to revisit the election do it there, this is just conspiratorial nonsense. 

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On 6/17/2025 at 11:36 AM, chainsaw said:

I agree that a lot of theories can be ruled out based on technological impossibility but at the same time I don't need to know the exact details of how they pulled off the heist, yet. Right now I just want to see all the anomalies investigated. Start with the statistical anomalies (the bullet ballots and other odd patterns) and see where the evidence leads.

I doubt Elmo and his merry band of dorks could figure out something as complex as this, but I'd love to know what Trump and Bibi talked about when Bibi visited Mar a Lago in June of 2024. 

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On 6/17/2025 at 8:29 AM, wildcat09 said:

This. Seems like enough to warrant an investigation on the technical side of things and if we could nail Peter Thiel for stealing elections I'd volunteer to be on the firing squad, but claims like "it's statistically impossible for all the blue wall states to flip" are ridiculous. Basically the same shit happens in every election, because voters in different states behave similarly. Swing voters in Pennsylvania and swing voters in North Carolina are influenced by the same media and thus tend to behave about the same.  The answer to "how did he flip so many counties and she didn't flip any" is "that's what it tends to look like when one wins and the other loses." Maybe it hasn't looked exactly like it did in 2024 before, but that doesn't in itself mean anything, because you're bound to find something new in every election. 

Yep.  And unless all those flipped counties were in states that the same exact technology vulnerability, it is unlikely that the vulnerability is what drove the results.  Hypothetically, if five of the flipped states had this issue, while two states that didn't have the issue stayed blue, it would be more likely that those five states were hacked. 



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