2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Captainant 26914]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Humility and humor.  Who knew?

I have seen some allusions that he had a cold during the debate.   Even pretty mild sickness of any kind can be really hard on the elderly in a way younger folks don't experience.  For those with actual dementia, it can make them completely non-functional when they normally are much more functional (I'm not saying Joe has dementia, it is just an example I have personally observed).

In his last couple years before he passed, you could tell when my dad had a virus or infection - he would go from a pretty smart and clever dude to someone that would forget what he were saying as he was saying it. And he was a couple decades younger than Biden, so I can imagine the strain he was under. Unfortunate timing, but its a risk we are exposed to when an 82yo is running. 

 

It's a damn shame that money is what gets representation rather than citizens in America, but we're just gonna keep getting bidens and other olds for as long as dollars matter more than people

[troph 24024]

Let’s not forget October surprises and frankly an interest rate cut from the Fed. Trump’s in this only because interest rates and inflation, neither of which are Biden’s fault. A rate cut will juice the market and sentiment and that could be a tailwind for Biden in the last 60 days.

[horncyclist 1370]

Isn't it pretty common for people facing mental decline to have good days and bad? The problem is he's likely having days like the debate with some regularity. It doesn't matter if he's fine sometimes. The presidency --and campaigning for it--isnt a sometimes job. He needs to step aside in the next week and let a process play out to identify who beats Trump in November.

[troph 24024]

It’s not going to happen. He’s cut from the same cloth as RBG. This time we have to do more to avoid the catastrophe.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6513]

10 minutes ago, troph said:

Let’s not forget October surprises and frankly an interest rate cut from the Fed. Trump’s in this only because interest rates and inflation, neither of which are Biden’s fault. A rate cut will juice the market and sentiment and that could be a tailwind for Biden in the last 60 days.

I will give you a big headwind that will hurt Biden right before the election, Medicare and to be specific Medicare Advantage.  Millions of seniors are on those plans all over the country and pretty much all of those companies that offer these plans (United Healthcare, Aetna, Humana, etc....) are going to make benefits much worse and pull out of areas because the federal government cut their payments.  I guarantee you will have the right wing (rightly or wrongly) come October telling seniors "Look at what the Democrats are doing to your Medicare?  They are cutting your benefits and if we get elected, we will give you all those back plus a lot more stuff so vote for us."   Seniors that are democrats want democracy, but they also want their dental plans, free meals, rides to the doctor and all those other benefits more.   Just wait and watch.

[Pancho 42841]

5 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

Biden has done a really good job and mostly restored America’s place in the world. But he simply can’t run this time. If he wins, he would be 86 years old at the end of the term. There is no possible way an 86 year old can do the duties he is required. This is just the nature of the human condition.

Not one of here would want an 80+ year old boss. And Harris isn’t the answer. 99% of America (and the world) couldn’t pick her out of a lineup.

The fate of democracy is at stake. I hope Joe will do the right thing…

Black people:

[David Dennison 17797]

5 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I will give you a big headwind that will hurt Biden right before the election, Medicare and to be specific Medicare Advantage.  Millions of seniors are on those plans all over the country and pretty much all of those companies that offer these plans (United Healthcare, Aetna, Humana, etc....) are going to make benefits much worse and pull out of areas because the federal government cut their payments.  I guarantee you will have the right wing (rightly or wrongly) come October telling seniors "Look at what the Democrats are doing to your Medicare?  They are cutting your benefits and if we get elected, we will give you all those back plus a lot more stuff so vote for us."   Seniors that are democrats want democracy, but they also want their dental plans, free meals, rides to the doctor and all those other benefits more.   Just wait and watch.

Won't this be limited to be cuts to benefits that aren't covered by traditional Medicare in the first place?

[troph 24024]

Wait did he just say “they all look the same?”

I mean my wife can pick Kamala out of a line up, she’s on her free hall pass list. 

 

[Js1 83356]

25 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I will give you a big headwind that will hurt Biden right before the election, Medicare and to be specific Medicare Advantage.  Millions of seniors are on those plans all over the country and pretty much all of those companies that offer these plans (United Healthcare, Aetna, Humana, etc....) are going to make benefits much worse and pull out of areas because the federal government cut their payments.  I guarantee you will have the right wing (rightly or wrongly) come October telling seniors "Look at what the Democrats are doing to your Medicare?  They are cutting your benefits and if we get elected, we will give you all those back plus a lot more stuff so vote for us."   Seniors that are democrats want democracy, but they also want their dental plans, free meals, rides to the doctor and all those other benefits more.   Just wait and watch.

Isn’t it pretty easy to just reply with all the clips of the GOP and Trump talking about how easy it will be to cut Medicare and SS?

[SmokeyTheBear 5554]

Maybe his campaign saying he had a cold was the actual truth? 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6513]

49 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Won't this be limited to be cuts to benefits that aren't covered by traditional Medicare in the first place?

That is correct but seniors won't see it that way.  They have been on those plans and getting those benefits and when their benefits get worse, they will blame somebody.  The somebody will be Biden and the right will make sure they know who to blame.

 

 

46 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Isn’t it pretty easy to just reply with all the clips of the GOP and Trump talking about how easy it will be to cut Medicare and SS?

I would say the difference is one is talking about taking their benefits and the other is a real-world experience they will be having.  Big difference.

[Brandywine 1291]

Even as bad as Joe looked and debated, Trump’s performance just convinced a lot of people that they don’t want Trump’s lies and insane behavior back in the White House. Sure I wish Joe had done better but Trump was just as bad with his crazy statements and made up comments. 

[Red Five 40357]

8 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

Even as bad as Joe looked and debated, Trump’s performance just convinced a lot of people that they don’t want Trump’s lies and insane behavior back in the White House. Sure I wish Joe had done better but Trump was just as bad with his crazy statements and made up comments. 

You know, we hear him say "I won two golf championships", and just kind of roll our eyes like oh here he goes again. To the average person, to hear a fat elderly man say that he won two golf championships recently, hopefully that hits their ear as absolutely fucking insane. Like North Korea propaganda insane.

[Hermanator 6689]

We have arrived. 

 

[TwiceHorn 30850]

4 hours ago, horncyclist said:

Isn't it pretty common for people facing mental decline to have good days and bad? The problem is he's likely having days like the debate with some regularity. It doesn't matter if he's fine sometimes. The presidency --and campaigning for it--isnt a sometimes job. He needs to step aside in the next week and let a process play out to identify who beats Trump in November.

It is, but moreso when they're facing an abrupt decline like dementia.  We all have good or bad days.

If it is true that Biden had a cold, that alone could have ruined his day in a way that younger folks wouldn't experience.  And, if he took cold meds, that too could explain some stuff, alone, also.  One might think it pretty unwise to dope up on Nyquil or whatever, but if you're coughing and snotty, maybe you need something.

I really rather doubt Biden is on any kind of stimulants or anything for acuity purposes, but other, more common-or-garden drugs might have played a role if he was fighting a cold.

[C-Man 26698]

You know, we hear him say "I won two golf championships", and just kind of roll our eyes like oh here he goes again. To the average person, to hear a fat elderly man say that he won two golf championships recently, hopefully that hits their ear as absolutely fucking insane. Like North Korea propaganda insane.

In light of hearing about all these club championships he’s supposedly won, I decided to see if I could see some of his scores from the Tahoe celebrity tournament. In 2006, he finished 62nd out of 80 (and lasted 30 seconds with a pron star).

[C-Man 26698]

In light of hearing about all these club championships he’s supposedly won, I decided to see if I could see some of his scores from the Tahoe celebrity tournament. In 2006, he finished 62nd out of 80 (and lasted 30 seconds with a pron star).

He was T56 in 2004 and 42nd in 2005.

[Underdog 28219]

Rigged.

[Red Five 40357]

He was T56 in 2004 and 42nd in 2005.

I’m sure his game is much better now as an old fat guy.

[Pancho 42841]

They keep boasting about those Black poll numbers and I keep saying it’s fake. Then they go and do stuff like this. keep using Blacks as pawns, I dare you

 

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

16 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Rigged.

Quite literally. Every one of his claimed “championships” is from one of his own clubs where he doesn’t actually compete. He just submits a fraudulent score and declares himself the winner. His golf game is less authentic than professional wrestling. 

[Brisketexan 103602]

They keep boasting about those Black poll numbers and u keep saying it’s fake. Then they go and do stuff like this. keep using Blacks as pawns, I dare you
 

Well, yeah…duh…that’s what black people are for: to be used and cast aside.
You know, like personal property.

[Hermanator 6689]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

It is, but moreso when they're facing an abrupt decline like dementia.  We all have good or bad days.

If it is true that Biden had a cold, that alone could have ruined his day in a way that younger folks wouldn't experience.  And, if he took cold meds, that too could explain some stuff, alone, also.  One might think it pretty unwise to dope up on Nyquil or whatever, but if you're coughing and snotty, maybe you need something.

I really rather doubt Biden is on any kind of stimulants or anything for acuity purposes, but other, more common-or-garden drugs might have played a role if he was fighting a cold.

Or .. we have candidates that are old as shit. And one of them is a criminal and traitor. 

 

Of course the Idiocracy era of Americans are too stupid to realize a comatose Biden is a better candidate to vote for than a criminal and traitorous trump

[Red Five 40357]

Quite literally. Every one of his claimed “championships” is from one of his own clubs where he doesn’t actually compete. He just submits a fraudulent score and declares himself the winner. His golf game is less authentic than professional wrestling. 

It’s been posted here before but he calls in and asks what the low score was. When they say 75 or whatever, he says “ok then I shot 74. I’ll send someone to come get my trophy.”

It’s too bad the democrats don’t have a candidate who could say tell a story like that on the biggest stage when Trump starts lying about winning championships.

[Pato del Muerto 52094]

Is it a little too morbid to do a 1 more year chant for Joe instead of 4?

joe not finishing a second term could have lasting effects, some of which are good or needed.  
 

Maybe people will think twice before nominating super old people to that office. 

We would be getting a female POC as potus which would be a good thing even though she would not have been voted in directly.  She would then presumably be the D nominee in 28 and we get to see how that goes (though unfortunate for her she would have many headwinds).

anyway, they managed to get Reagan through a second term and I’m sure the same machine is there to help Biden.

 

Edited June 29 by Pato del Muerto

[Neonmoon 38126]

Why hasn’t anyone in the media asked if Trump should step down due to being a traitor? 

[David Dennison 17797]

13 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Why hasn’t anyone in the media asked if Trump should step down due to being a traitor? 

[Rex Kramer 1239]

8 hours ago, Captainant said:

we're just gonna keep getting bidens and other olds for as long as dollars matter more than people

This sentence is hypnotizing me. What on earth are you saying?

[Rex Kramer 1239]

8 hours ago, troph said:

Let’s not forget October surprises and frankly an interest rate cut from the Fed. Trump’s in this only because interest rates and inflation, neither of which are Biden’s fault. A rate cut will juice the market and sentiment and that could be a tailwind for Biden in the last 60 days.

I’m starting to doubt there’ll be a cut. I’m not sure if a 200 bps reduction could be a tailwind to offset the massive headwind he has after Thursday. He must have another debate but they’d be smart to replace him asap. 

[Dbeasy 14783]

8 hours ago, Captainant said:

In his last couple years before he passed, you could tell when my dad had a virus or infection - he would go from a pretty smart and clever dude to someone that would forget what he were saying as he was saying it. And he was a couple decades younger than Biden, so I can imagine the strain he was under. Unfortunate timing, but its a risk we are exposed to when an 82yo is running. 

 

It's a damn shame that money is what gets representation rather than citizens in America, but we're just gonna keep getting bidens and other olds for as long as dollars matter more than people

I think you might have just said that people 62 years old become nonsensical when they get viruses.

[The Original Greaser Bob 2701]

6 hours ago, Brandywine said:

Even as bad as Joe looked and debated, Trump’s performance just convinced a lot of people that they don’t want Trump’s lies and insane behavior back in the White House.

No matter who the Dem candidate could conceivably be, correct?

[The Original Greaser Bob 2701]

That wasn't a fucking cold.

I don't mind the argument that really shitty Biden is better than Trump, or even that a demented Biden is better than Trump, but the cold argument is aggy on injected-in-the-ass-steroids.

[Rex Kramer 1239]

6 hours ago, Brandywine said:

Even as bad as Joe looked and debated, Trump’s performance just convinced a lot of people that they don’t want Trump’s lies and insane behavior back in the White House. Sure I wish Joe had done better but Trump was just as bad with his crazy statements and made up comments. 

If Trump weren’t Trump, he would’ve just let Joe talk and pounced when he had a good point to make. Instead, he said “I did not have sex with a porn star” and devolved the conversation to golf handicaps when neither of these guys could break 90. Trump is a notorious golf cheater. Notorious. He has not ever lived a day in which he was a single digit handicap. I doubt Biden could break 100. 

Regardless, people who were inclined to vote one or the other - no minds were changed. The true independents who vote both ways from election to election certainly saw Biden in that condition, and that prevails over the nonsense that is Trump. It is frankly unfathomable we are in this position. Just watch the ‘12 debate and wonder how in the fuck we got here. 

[RomaVicta 29574]

NPR the day after the debate. Rightfully, they reported the Dem worry about Joe's acuity. Then they beat into the ground for awhile.

Trump is mentioned as a contrast to Joe by being more forceful and present as a speaker. Fair that. Oh, they added as an aside, "although much of what he said were falsehoods." That's it.

 

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Why hasn’t anyone in the media asked if Trump should step down due to being a traitor? 

Trump is traitor, liar, amoral narcissist, and a felon. But the hubub is that Joe performed poorly and the Dems, as they do, panicked. 

You tell me which of the above is the big story in a presidential election?

But it's how they always cover the horse race as alluled to above. No salient issues like base qualifications as a person or citizen, instead we get coverage of how the needle moves for the morons from day to day.

The biggest news story since WW2 is that the US electorate is considering and may indeed be electing a "man" whose malignant flaws and general malignancy are in plain view. The electronic press are missing it because of the template they can't help but apply.

Any American in a coma would be a better choice than Trump who shouldn't be comfortable appearing in public.

My whole white male babyboomer run of luck is looking a little shaky. The climate will likely hold up long enough for me, but I doubt my country will. And not an argument in the world will have any impact on the future of a free republic.

[Captainant 26914]

2 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I think you might have just said that people 62 years old become nonsensical when they get viruses.

Well my dad was an advanced Parkinson's patient of a couple decades in his early 60s so I guess I left that important detail out. I more meant to make the point that when you're older and your body is in worse shape, things that used to be minor can quickly become debilitating 

19 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

This sentence is hypnotizing me. What on earth are you saying?

I'm saying that the number of people who want a policy or a politician to succeed doesn't matter anymore, and that it indexes more closely to the wishes of whomever has the most money. 

https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/

Said more plainly, were moving back towards caring more about land owners over the people living on that land. Granted, I'm sure that's how you prefer things

[Rex Kramer 1239]

3 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

That wasn't a fucking cold.

I don't mind the argument that really shitty Biden is better than Trump, or even that a demented Biden is better than Trump, but the cold argument is aggy on injected-in-the-ass-steroids.

It wasn’t a cold. Regardless of what it was, there are no acceptable excuses for what Biden put out there Thursday. None. 

[Rex Kramer 1239]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

I'm saying that the number of people who want a policy or a politician to succeed doesn't matter anymore, and that it indexes more closely to the wishes of whomever has the most money. 

https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/

Said more plainly, were moving back towards caring more about land owners over the people living on that land. Granted, I'm sure that's how you prefer things

But this isn’t a new trend at all. People put money behind candidates and Biden isn’t that.  I say that having no clue which campaign has more money because I do not care about that and am never swayed by political ads. 

And it’s irrelevant.  No amount of money and smart campaign advertising can supercede what we saw Thursday. 

[Captainant 26914]

Just now, Rex Kramer said:

And it’s irrelevant.  No amount of money and smart campaign advertising can supercede what we saw Thursday. 

I'm not talking about a single office, and neither was the linked Princeton study that you didn't read. Across the board, constituents do not set policy and their consent does not ever factor into its passage 

[Rex Kramer 1239]

6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

You tell me which of the above is the big story in a presidential election?

Biden. By far. The whole world knows Trump is a liar and a bad guy. Biden has shown glimpses of dementia. A lot. But nothing like Thursday in a showcased grand scale. It’s not quite but almost as if the Dems have Mitch McConnell, post on camera-stroke, and are forced to parade him on camera for 90 minutes and just pray they get him on a somewhat lucid night. 

[Rex Kramer 1239]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I'm not talking about a single office, and neither was the linked Princeton study that you didn't read. Across the board, constituents do not set policy and their consent does not ever factor into its passage 

Well of course we don’t set policy and our consent isn’t directly factored into passage. That is a trend that has been increasing since the late 1700s as the population has grown and has been far gone for decades. Do I really need to read your study?

[Captainant 26914]

Rex, don't you have some carcinogens or forever chemicals to dump into an elementary school or something? You're playing dumb and claiming that the consent of the governed doesn't matter in a democracy 

[closetohumping 17299]

25 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

That wasn't a fucking cold.

I don't mind the argument that really shitty Biden is better than Trump, or even that a demented Biden is better than Trump, but the cold argument is aggy on injected-in-the-ass-steroids.

Even if it were a cold do you want a president who responds like that to a cold?

[WhatTheBuck 28613]

41 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

That wasn't a fucking cold.

I don't mind the argument that really shitty Biden is better than Trump, or even that a demented Biden is better than Trump, but the cold argument is aggy on injected-in-the-ass-steroids.

It would explain why his voice was hoarse. 

[closetohumping 17299]

Trump betting favorite to win

[Beantown Express 2.0 6513]

57 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Even if it were a cold do you want a president who responds like that to a cold?

If Trump is my other choice then yes.  

[C-Man 26698]

59 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Even if it were a cold do you want a president who responds like that to a cold?

If the alternative is Trump, absolutely.

[CTC2 2656]

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Even if it were a cold do you want a president who responds like that to a cold?

He could be on life support for all I care if the alternative is Trump. 

[CTC2 2656]

1 hour ago, Rex Kramer said:

Biden. By far. The whole world knows Trump is a liar and a bad guy. Biden has shown glimpses of dementia. A lot. But nothing like Thursday in a showcased grand scale. It’s not quite but almost as if the Dems have Mitch McConnell, post on camera-stroke, and are forced to parade him on camera for 90 minutes and just pray they get him on a somewhat lucid night. 

What you saw was not dementia. 

[Rex Kramer 1239]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Rex, don't you have some carcinogens or forever chemicals to dump into an elementary school or something? You're playing dumb and claiming that the consent of the governed doesn't matter in a democracy 

Odd response. No clue what you’re talking about in first sentence. In second, there’s a huge difference between saying it doesn’t matter and saying they don’t set policy. Are you a teenager?

[Rex Kramer 1239]

14 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

What you saw was not dementia. 

It was a woefully incapacitated candidate that happens to be our current president. What I saw was not a cold.