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2 minutes ago, BrickTop said:


I’ve never posted here, and I’ll probably regret it but I think this is pretty much dead on, I don’t really follow the inner workings of politics all that clearly so I will make a few points, 1. I am really not a fan of Trump, I’d consider myself a moderate. 2. I watched Biden speak in the 2020 debates and he seemed very strong and in control. 3. No way in hell am I voting for Biden after that debate performance, I have seen senility and Alzheimer’s and maybe that’s not what Biden has but to be honest that version of the POTUS shown in that debate is actually somewhat terrifying. As it stands I’m voting for neither, and a lot of people I know feel the same, too much uncertainty with Biden, not voting for Trump, I think a lot of people are missing the amount of people who simply won’t vote for either. Yes, that debate absolutely changed a lot of minds, it was somewhat terrifying and caused a lot of uncertainty with a lot of people. I am not a political expert, just a working class blue collar guy , so forgive my somewhat simple take.

I know there will be a host of posters that pile on and bash your take but we all need to get on board that there are A LOT of people who share this opinion regardless of your opinion of this opinion. Put in someone else on the D ticket and you actually have a shot at their vote.

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1 minute ago, BrickTop said:


I’ve never posted here, and I’ll probably regret it but I think this is pretty much dead on, I don’t really follow the inner workings of politics all that clearly so I will make a few points, 1. I am really not a fan of Trump, I’d consider myself a moderate. 2. I watched Biden speak in the 2020 debates and he seemed very strong and in control. 3. No way in hell am I voting for Biden after that debate performance, I have seen senility and Alzheimer’s and maybe that’s not what Biden has but to be honest that version of the POTUS shown in that debate is actually somewhat terrifying. As it stands I’m voting for neither, and a lot of people I know feel the same, too much uncertainty with Biden, not voting for Trump, I think a lot of people are missing the amount of people who simply won’t vote for either. Yes, that debate absolutely changed a lot of minds, it was somewhat terrifying and caused a lot of uncertainty with a lot of people. I am not a political expert, just a working class blue collar guy , so forgive my somewhat simple take.

do you also own a timeshare?

but seriously, this "simple" take is so fucking infuriating. it has never been more true than today that a vote for "neither of these guys" is a vote for trump. straight up. and I feel this take to be fairly disingenuous because the part most people are focusing on in the debate happened in the very beginning and Biden righted the ship as the debate progressed. It still wasn't great, but he wasn't Mitch McConnell'ing it and freezing for a full minute. and unless you're a doctor, gtfo with the I'm a brain expert take and I know what senility looks like. But, sure, we're once again faced with a choice of a "a candidate I don't like a whole lot" and the fucking devil incarnate who is hell bent on installing a dictatorship. same same. ffs.

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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

My imagination says they are working through the process of talking to Kamala first, getting her onboard with not being the nominee, and getting some power brokers to agree on someone else to throw support around before announcing they are doing this.

I think it was on one of the POD shows, and I can't remember who exactly said it, but they said Obama, Pelosi, and Schumer were going to have "the talk" with Biden. I think if enough people he knows and trusts give him the "thanks for your service, but it's time" speech, he'll do the right thing.

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, BrickTop said:

As it stands I’m voting for neither,

Then you don’t get to bitch in 2025 if Trump wins. Just vote for the party apparatus and platform. I don’t understand why we treat POTUS as this end all, be all god figure.

I don’t understand if you can’t vote for Biden, but would pull the lever if they jettisoned him and put up Kamala. You’re basically doing that regardless. Who cares if she’s president on Jan 20, 2025 or June 20, 2025

Shes going to be POTUS between now and 2028 if they win. We all know it. 

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4 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I’ve come around to the idea that switching might not be a disaster.  I think most of the Biden coalition voters are baked into opposing Trump and the remainder are open to an alternative not named Kamala.  Biden’s debate performance and the media fixation with it will provide the permission in most voters minds.

I've come around as well. All this year, I was fully onboard with the thought that switching nominees less than a year before the election was absolute lunacy. Losing the incumbency advantage and not giving the new nominee time to really campaign and become a household name would have appeared desperate as fuck.

Switching now is still desperate as fuck...but it also shows an acceptance of reality, rather than continuing to hide Biden and lie about his mental acuity. Everyone has parents and grandparents; we all know what it looks like when it goes from senior moments and memory lapses to "oh shit, let's at least start looking at homes." It happens quick, and it's not forgiving. He's done his part in an incredibly stressful job, and he beat Trump. It's okay to step aside and acknowledge Father Time. Moreover, it would be seen as kindness to not have him continue aging in peace with his family, not under the spotlight. 

You'd still get all the Biden voters. You'd still get the anti-Trump voters. You'd probably get a decent chunk of the "giant meteor" voters if you ran someone competent under 70.

 

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Wrong. His best chance to make everyone forget about the first one is to turn in a solid performance in a second one. That should be self-evident.

No one is going to forget the first one. Trump will flood the airways with reminders. 

The problem is it could also be worse. Mental decline isn't linear. It was really sad to see how fast my grandmother went from carrying on an intelligent conversation to having no clue who was talking to her or what was going on around her.

Those predicting it to be better remind me of all those sports experts that predicted CO would get revenge in the 2005 B12CG.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Then you don’t get to bitch in 2025 if Trump wins. Just vote for the party apparatus and platform. I don’t understand why we treat POTUS as this end all, be all god figure.

I don’t understand if you can’t vote for Biden, but would pull the lever if they jettisoned him and put up Kamala. You’re basically doing that regardless. Who cares if she’s president on Jan 20, 2025 or June 20, 2025

The SCOTUS would like a word with you. 6 of them, at least.

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Posted
I know there will be a host of posters that pile on and bash your take but we all need to get on board that there are A LOT of people who share this opinion regardless of your opinion of this opinion. Put in someone else on the D ticket and you actually have a shot at their vote.

This is where I’m at, and a lot of people I know, run anyone against Trump with a pulse he gets steamrolled, you can’t say Biden was having a bad day or a cold or whatever, he was cognitively impaired in multiple facets and unless you a diehard democrat only voter no one is going to vote for that, even some lifelong democrats won’t vote for that. Regardless of whether POTUS actually runs the country he is the figurehead, and Biden looked lost, not a shred of strength to be seen.
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“I’m not voting for either” is really not the flex you think it is, unless you just want internet cred. Which didn’t get anyone anything from 2017-2021

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Just now, BrickTop said:


This is where I’m at, and a lot of people I know, run anyone against Trump with a pulse he gets steamrolled, you can’t say Biden was having a bad day or a cold or whatever, he was cognitively impaired in multiple facets and unless you a diehard democrat only voter no one is going to vote for that, even some lifelong democrats won’t vote for that. Regardless of whether POTUS actually runs the country he is the figurehead, and Biden looked lost, not a shred of strength to be seen.

did you watch the whole debate? did you watch his rally the next day? did you watch his speech last night?

 

methinks we have a troll in our midst

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do you also own a timeshare?

but seriously, this "simple" take is so fucking infuriating. it has never been more true than today that a vote for "neither of these guys" is a vote for trump. straight up. and I feel this take to be fairly disingenuous because the part most people are focusing on in the debate happened in the very beginning and Biden righted the ship as the debate progressed. It still wasn't great, but he wasn't Mitch McConnell'ing it and freezing for a full minute. and unless you're a doctor, gtfo with the I'm a brain expert take and I know what senility looks like. But, sure, we're once again faced with a choice of a "a candidate I don't like a whole lot" and the fucking devil incarnate who is hell bent on installing a dictatorship. same same. ffs.

As infuriating as it may be to you, it exists on a higher population of the country than you’d like to admit.
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“I’m not voting for either” is really not the flex you think it is, unless you just want internet cred. Which didn’t get anyone anything from 2017-2021

Not flexing? Just stating a perspective that is shared probably more than you’d like to admit.
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1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

lol, all the surly brain doctors are chiming in today. f the offseason

yeah, concluding that his brain isn't as sharp as it was a few years ago takes many many degrees.

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We’d be able to right wipe out his debt. We’d be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do – child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I’ve been able to do with the Covid. Excuse me, with dealing with everything we have to do with – look, if – we finally beat Medicare.

 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

“I’m not voting for either” is really not the flex you think it is, unless you just want internet cred. Which didn’t get anyone anything from 2017-2021

it's also exactly what I hear from people who get their information from tiktok and twitter.

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Posted (edited)

Biden is President TODAY and has been for 3.5 years. What are some of you actually worried about happening in a next term? The party has a platform and they have shown they can already operate efficiently and effectively from what they have already accomplished.

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did you watch the whole debate? did you watch his rally the next day? did you watch his speech last night?
 
methinks we have a troll in our midst

Every minute of it, and you would be incorrect, I will go back to just watching cloak room and letting you keep your blinders on, sorry for the dissenting opinion.
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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, BrickTop said:


Not flexing? Just stating a perspective that is shared probably more than you’d like to admit.

I really don’t care. This isn’t a joke. This is a serious election and you  2 choices. Pick one. Vote against Project 2025, fascism, bthe daily chaos we all experienced. It’s been a nice 4 years not waking up and wondering what fresh hell is going to come out of DC

Sometimes you don’t get the perfect choice. You’re an adult, you know this. 

Life is literally about picking the least bad option. Everyday. 

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3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

did you watch the whole debate? did you watch his rally the next day? did you watch his speech last night?

 

methinks we have a troll in our midst

No, he's not a troll. He represents a reality that some on here don't want to deal with. No, he probably didn't watch the rally the next day. I didn't because I don't care to. I'll vote for the Dem regardless but that's not going to be the case for everyone and this board needs to figure that out. The debate was Joe's moment to show he wasn't diminished. He failed. Now it's all about playing catch up to knock down that lasting image. The perception of the debate is now the reality for Biden. 

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Just now, StassneyHorn said:

Biden is President TODAY and has been for 3.5 years. What are some of you actually worried about happening in a next term? The party has a platform and they have shown they can already operate efficiently and effectively with from what they have already accomplished.

no shit. Biden is one person. there are other capable people. oh, and if something happens to him, there is a plan for that too. but sure, let's opt for fascism because old people are icky

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Yeah, good luck with that "intervention speech" with a sober 81 year-old.  Worked out super for America when y'all tried it with Ginsberg.  

It just makes your party look disconcerted and chaotic.  

Enough with your naive "Hey, maybe college educated suburban women will come out for Biden because of the Roe ruling" -or- "The Youths and Blacks will sure turn out in greater numbers!"  You have to punch Trump's middle voter bloc just enough so a few million stay home, but not so much they get out to vote to spite you.  The rest of this is just performative nonsense.  Oh yeah, that neighborhood canvassing effort can really turn things around.  Everybody is locked in, even Biden.  Only thing left to do is to ignore the first rule of voting, "Turning Out the Vote", and go the other way, "Keep People at Home."  

Nobody's changing horses 4 months before the election.  But you can get people to stay in their stables.  

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Posted
1 minute ago, StassneyHorn said:

Biden is President TODAY and has been for 3.5 years. What are some of you actually worried about happening in a next term? The party has a platform and they have shown they can already operate efficiently and effectively with from what they have already accomplished.

we

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election.

heysoos cristo.  you don't win elections with skeletor at the top of the ticket.  90-99% of this board is voting for biden. we all get this. problem is he won't be president next year.

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2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Biden is President TODAY and has been for 3.5 years. What are some of you actually worried about happening in a next term?

The whole "not getting to the next term" part.

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Posted (edited)
Just now, Red Five said:

The whole "not getting to the next term" part.

Also the whole, a majority of the country now thinks this. 

I think RFK will get more votes now especially from people who feel it is their duty to vote but won't vote for Biden or Trump. Which effectively hands the election to Trump. 

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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

we

are

worried

about

winning

an

election.

heysoos cristo.  you don't win elections with skeletor at the top of the ticket.  90-99% of this board is voting for biden. we all get this. problem is he won't be president next year.

You absolutely win with incumbency.

 

Posted
9 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

do you also own a timeshare?

but seriously, this "simple" take is so fucking infuriating. it has never been more true than today that a vote for "neither of these guys" is a vote for trump. straight up. and I feel this take to be fairly disingenuous because the part most people are focusing on in the debate happened in the very beginning and Biden righted the ship as the debate progressed. It still wasn't great, but he wasn't Mitch McConnell'ing it and freezing for a full minute. and unless you're a doctor, gtfo with the I'm a brain expert take and I know what senility looks like. But, sure, we're once again faced with a choice of a "a candidate I don't like a whole lot" and the fucking devil incarnate who is hell bent on installing a dictatorship. same same. ffs.

Well, we've actually had a brain doctor opine on this and he was branded a heretic, so...

And you can scoff at the reality of an unmotivated electorate all you want but know you're doing it at the peril of the nation.

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It’s interesting that people think that’s a flex. It’s not. It’s just what people do because their country’s antiquated political system dictated two woefully substandard candidates to them. 

This is more where I’m at, apathetic. The fact that these are the best two candidates we trot out to run for president.
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Posted
Just now, StassneyHorn said:

You absolutely win with incumbency.

 

We've never had an incumbent this old and showing worsening signs of his age. 

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lol, all the surly brain doctors are chiming in today. f the offseason

Yea, the actual doctor’s opinion wasn’t enough for you, mine definitely won’t be.
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3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Well, we've actually had a brain doctor opine on this and he was branded a heretic, so...

And you can scoff at the reality of an unmotivated electorate all you want but know you're doing it at the peril of the nation.

I'm not scoffing at anything. I'm yelling at clouds at the fact that people are cherrypicking their media to inform their vote. Neither of those assholes demonstrated worthiness to get my vote based on that first debate. But one of them is trying to keep this country afloat and the other is actively trying to tear it down. He has looked fine in every appearance since then. If this is the standard where are the calls to remove dotard? oh, right.

4 minutes ago, BrickTop said:


Yea, the actual doctor’s opinion wasn’t enough for you, mine definitely won’t be.

what are you talking about? I thought you never posted in here.

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what are you talking about? I thought you never posted in here.

I’m talking about Chi Town Doc, I don’t post here, never said I don’t read threads here.
Posted
14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Then you don’t get to bitch in 2025 if Trump wins.

Neither do those who have been ignoring the warnings for the past 8 years by nominating Clinton and Biden, when the electorate was sending crystal clear signals that they wanted a change.

14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Just vote for the party apparatus and platform.

You don't understand what being an independent means, do you?  We have political ideologies that span both parties.  We tend to vote for candidates, not parties.

The Dems can bitch about it, and lose, or take our opinions into consideration by putting forth an inspiring candidate and win.  Your choice.

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12 minutes ago, BrickTop said:


This is more where I’m at, apathetic. The fact that these are the best two candidates we trot out to run for president.

Since you are here, I would just implore you, if these are the two choices in November, to vote for the people that they've chosen to surround themselves with. The Biden White House is supremely competent and can withstand an "in name only" President. 

Trump's White House was full of literal criminals, the slimiest people on Earth, and constant turnover. His answer to that is going to be to surround himself with even more loyal leaches. They're not even hiding it, hence Project 2025. He is the swamp. Birth control and gay marriage bans ARE coming, among many other horrible things, whether they directly affect you or not.

It's a shitty choice...but it's still a remarkably easy choice.

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1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Neither do those who have been ignoring the warnings for the past 8 years by nominating Clinton and Biden, when the electorate was sending crystal clear signals that they wanted a change.

You don't understand what being an independent means, do you?  We have political ideologies that span both parties.  We tend to vote for candidates, not parties.

The Dems can bitch about it, and lose, or take our opinions into consideration by putting forth an inspiring candidate and win.  Your choice.

ronald mcdonald omg GIF by McDonald's CZ/SK

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, BrickTop said:


I’m talking about Chi Town Doc, I don’t post here, never said I don’t read threads here.

oh well if an random internet poster said it, then it must be true!

you never answered my question about the timeshare.

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oh well if an random internet poster said, then it must be true!

you never answered my question about the timeshare.

No, no time share, like I said random working class guy.
oh well if an random internet poster said it, then it must be true!

you never answered my question about the timeshare.

Random poster? He is a doctor isn’t he? Wouldn’t that be a subject matter expert?
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You don't understand what being an independent means, do you?  We have political ideologies that span both parties.  We tend to vote for candidates, not parties.
The Dems can bitch about it, and lose, or take our opinions into consideration by putting forth an inspiring candidate and win.  Your choice.

Perfectly stated, it’s not the party it’s the candidate.
Posted
10 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

More actual elected officials need to be public about this instead of being "unnamed sources."

I can't for the life of me figure out why Biden even wants a second term unless it's for his traveling circus of a family.  History will judge him well as a voluntary one termer.  (Got us out of covid, economy bounced back, rebuilt the western alliance, infrastructure bill, etc.)  If he wants any sort of post presidency life at all, he'll retire now and not at 86.  

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You realize this is why everyone thinks there's a CR cabal? This guy came in not trolling and not doing a gotcha bullshit trump voter bait to get a rise out of people and you guys are jumping down his throat instead of educating him on why sitting out or voting 3rd party this election is better than the current option they have. 

Whatsthebuck is being a fucking troll which is why I troll bashed him. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I'm yelling at clouds at the fact that people are cherrypicking their media to inform their vote.

I get that, but yelling at clouds won't help change this fact of life.  Only changing candidates will.  Not saying Gretchen's chances of winning are 100%, but I do think they are better than Biden's.  

8 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

If this is the standard where are the calls to remove dotard?

You know the answer to this... we all do.

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2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

More actual elected officials need to be public about this instead of being "unnamed sources."

I can't for the life of me figure out why Biden even wants a second term unless it's for his traveling circus of a family.  History will judge him well as a voluntary one termer.  (Got us out of covid, economy bounced back, rebuilt the western alliance, infrastructure bill, etc.)  If he wants any sort of post presidency life at all, he'll retire now and not at 86.  

Probably because he feels he's the only person who can beat Trump since he's done it before. If Trump wasn't the candidate, he would've probably passed the baton to Kamala. 

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You realize this is why everyone thinks there's a CR cabal? This guy came in not trolling and not doing a gotcha bullshit trump voter bait to get a rise out of people and you guys are jumping down his throat instead of educating him on why sitting out or voting 3rd party this election is better than the current option they have. 
Whatsthebuck is being a fucking troll which is why I troll bashed him. 

It’s all good man, that’s why I mainly just read these threads, too many get bashed for not having the same opinions.
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Posted
4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Now do the states that matter since presidents don't win general election polls. 

I didn’t conduct the poll

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