2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[babysdaddy 2725]

[troph 24851]

why was your debate performance so bad President Biden?

You know George, I've still got it all there, just look at my record (say three things), but I'll tell ya, that night, I couldn't believe what I was watching. Donald Trump - a convicted felon - was standing right there lying a mile a minute. I sat there and thought how on God's green earth can I tell the American people this guy is a liar on each and every point in a 60 second rebuttal? and I fumbled the ball. Look, I'm an old guy, I have a stutter, but I work out, I ride my bike and yeah, it was silly but I still think I could whoop his butt in golf, but the fact is I was feeling pretty crappy, it wasn't COVID but I was definitely sick and feeling poorly, that certainly had an impact but here's the deal, I was in shock with all the lies he was telling us and the American people should be too.

Edited July 2 by troph

[mdmost 43004]

Just now, babysdaddy said:

 

Kinda losing the moral high ground of not having a convicted felon in the White House....

[babysdaddy 2725]

The plane has crashed into the goddamned mountain

[Red Five 40862]

1 minute ago, babysdaddy said:

 

Hey, ever seen the movie Dave? I've heard worse ideas.

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

20 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

To be fair, Kamala Harris does not have the mental capacity to function as President either. 

Also to be fair, she's simply not good at politics.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33874]

2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Also to be fair, she's simply not good at politics.

a wet fart would be good at politics compared to trump. let's put out the fire in the room and then we can talk about the causes

Edited July 2 by Longhorn_Fan68

[aggie08 21505]

9 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

well, they're going to try at least.  this is the only way forward.

Yep. Keeping his appearances minimal him and trying to run out the clock won't work anymore. If he's the guy, gotta at least try to build momentum. On the plus side, he set his already low bar all the way on the floor. A couple just non-disastrous showings would go a long way towards altering the narrative.

Just not holding my breath.

[6th Street 6413]

Kamala would be pouring gasoline on the fire 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

10 minutes ago, Texaus said:

This is so goddamn depressing. Is there any path forward to beat Dotard?

Beat?  I'm not sure.  Stop?  Yes.

[Red Five 40862]

Kamala Harris isn't owed shit. If you fire the head coach you are under zero obligation to promote the offensive coordinator to head coach. 

[SizzleChest 8284]

Going to be so many trial balloons floated this month, it's going to look like Albuquerque in October.

[SizzleChest 8284]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Kamala Harris isn't owed shit. If you fire the head coach you are under zero obligation to promote the offensive coordinator to head coach. 

[DixonHur 11339]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Beat?  I'm not sure.  Stop?  Yes.

Would using Seal Team 6 to give Trump and his allies the Bin Laden treatment at Mar-A-Lago in an effort to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" count as an official act under the guidelines from the recent SCOTUS ruling?

[South Austin 52519]

Just now, DixonHur said:

Would using Seal Team 6 to give Trump and his allies the Bin Laden treatment at Mar-A-Lago in an effort to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" count as an official act under the guidelines from the recent SCOTUS ruling?

It can't get any more official than that. I mean, it's Seal Team 6 from the United States Navy.  It's not like using the Gambino family.  

[CooterBrown 18014]

It's just like the fucking Dems to destroy their own chances by bringing in doubt about Biden at the 11th hour.  The average American didn't even watch the debate.  Those that watched would've forgotten it by now if they wouldn't keep bring it the fuck up.  They talk about it more than the GQP.

 

[DixonHur 11339]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

It can't get any more official than that. I mean, it's Seal Team 6 from the United States Navy.  It's not like using the Gambino family.  

I suppose the only fly in the ointment is that 80% of the Seals are probably MAGA.

['stache 21819]

2 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It's just like the fucking Dems to destroy their own chances by bringing in doubt about Biden at the 11th hour.  The average American didn't even watch the debate.  Those that watched would've forgotten it by now if they wouldn't keep bring it the fuck up.  They talk about it more than the GQP.

 

Yup. All republicans back their guy. Today a dem politician calls for their candidate to step down. Pure insanity.

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

26 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

Aside from Obama, is it possible to have a president and/or candidate without their traveling circus of a family in tow?

[Neonmoon 38129]

Under the scenario where Biden is pressured to step down'

If Kamala is the nominee, she would lose because a large portion of the population are racist and/or misogynist. Wish it wasn't true, but it is. 

Of course the black vote would balk at replacing Kamala with Newsome. 

So fucked either way

[Rex Kramer 1338]

5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yup. All republicans back their guy. Today a dem politician calls for their candidate to step down. Pure insanity.

All Republicans don’t back Trump. Multiple dem politicians have called for Biden to step down. Rightfully so. Regardless, how is this “pure insanity”?  

[aggie08 21505]

12 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It's just like the fucking Dems to destroy their own chances by bringing in doubt about Biden at the 11th hour.  The average American didn't even watch the debate.  Those that watched would've forgotten it by now if they wouldn't keep bring it the fuck up.  They talk about it more than the GQP.

 

This just isn't reality, man. Anecdotal, I know, but the last 5 days have been the only time in the past 4 years that friends have wanted to talk politics with me. I make it a point to not hang around people who would normally bring up politics in casual settings. The "oh shit, we're fucked" and "are these two really the best we can do" sentiments are in the mainstream consciousness now, and the apathy is palpable.

Yes, few people actually watched the debate, but it was so bad that everyone has heard about it.

Edited July 2 by aggie08

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Yeah, the first conversation has to be with Kamala to convince her to say "Joe and I are stepping aside because we think that fresh faces" yada yada.  It has to be that she doesn't want to and its voluntary from her.

[mchookem 16336]

10 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It's just like the fucking Dems to destroy their own chances by bringing in doubt about Biden at the 11th hour.  The average American didn't even watch the debate.  Those that watched would've forgotten it by now if they wouldn't keep bring it the fuck up.  They talk about it more than the GQP.

 

 

[Red Five 40862]

7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Yup. All republicans back their guy. Today a dem politician calls for their candidate to step down. Pure insanity.

Because if Biden is the nominee he will get crushed. Plain and simple. He won in 2020 on 80,000 votes across four states. Not only will he lose all of those states this time around, but he will lose a lot more. It's just not happening. 

[DixonHur 11339]

11 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It's just like the fucking Dems to destroy their own chances by bringing in doubt about Biden at the 11th hour.  The average American didn't even watch the debate.  Those that watched would've forgotten it by now if they wouldn't keep bring it the fuck up.  They talk about it more than the GQP.

 

The debate only solidified what many people already thought.  It was the straw that broke the camel's back for some.

Not sure why some people can't understand that the debate debacle didn't happen in a vacuum.  There were already rumblings, and Biden's only job in the debate was to disprove what people felt like they were seeing and hearing... instead he threw gasoline on the fire.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5793]

5 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Under the scenario where Biden is pressured to step down'

If Kamala is the nominee, she would lose because a large portion of the population are racist and/or misogynist. Wish it wasn't true, but it is. 

Of course the black vote would balk at replacing Kamala with Newsome. 

So fucked either way

It's amazing that people can't see this. "Kamala isn't owed anything!" Okay, grasshop her with a white guy and let's see how minority voters feel about it. 

[Rip76 4943]

4 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

All Republicans don’t back Trump. Multiple dem politicians have called for Biden to step down. Rightfully so. Regardless, how is this “pure insanity”?  

Correct.

Multiple dems are calling for him to step down is because they know there is no chance at winning if he stays in.  
None.

Bringing almost anyone in helps their chances.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Lol at everyone suggesting Biden wouldn’t run for a second term during the 2020 primary. 

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

9 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Under the scenario where Biden is pressured to step down'

If Kamala is the nominee, she would lose because a large portion of the population are racist and/or misogynist. Wish it wasn't true, but it is. 

Of course the black vote would balk at replacing Kamala with Newsome. 

So fucked either way

Whitmer/Booker ticket.

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

6 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Yeah, the first conversation has to be with Kamala to convince her to say "Joe and I are stepping aside because we think that fresh faces" yada yada.  It has to be that she doesn't want to and its voluntary from her.

Frame it as she also hid how bad he was.  Offer her a SC spot or be president at Howard or something.

No one really likes her and she's bad at politics.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I happen to think Kamala IS the answer here.  
 

Edited July 2 by Hugo Stiglitz

[softlynow 1816]

Look at this thread as to why Biden stepping aside would be fun for all, but dangerous for Dems/Democracy. A contested convention would be a live action version of a football game thread with the volume turned up to 11 and the stakes for fucking real. No telling how that shit would go. Contested conventions could be be unpredictable in the era when mass media was the evening newspaper, and now the news is old in 15 minutes, with the added bonus that anyone with a phone could be "reporting" news or simply trying to mislead. You might end up with someone way, way, way off the radar swooping in to take the nomination. It could be Stacey Abrams, Sherrod Brown, AOC, John Cena, Al Franken, or Jimmy Smits.

Folks who assume Gavin just strolls in and takes it are delusional.

It might be the best cable news TV week of all time. If this is the year we lose democracy, we might as well be entertained. What do you say, Joe? 

[DaysOff 7951]

I’ve never posted here, and I’ll probably regret it but I think this is pretty much dead on, I don’t really follow the inner workings of politics all that clearly so I will make a few points, 1. I am really not a fan of Trump, I’d consider myself a moderate. 2. I watched Biden speak in the 2020 debates and he seemed very strong and in control. 3. No way in hell am I voting for Biden after that debate performance, I have seen senility and Alzheimer’s and maybe that’s not what Biden has but to be honest that version of the POTUS shown in that debate is actually somewhat terrifying. As it stands I’m voting for neither, and a lot of people I know feel the same, too much uncertainty with Biden, not voting for Trump, I think a lot of people are missing the amount of people who simply won’t vote for either. Yes, that debate absolutely changed a lot of minds, it was somewhat terrifying and caused a lot of uncertainty with a lot of people. I am not a political expert, just a working class blue collar guy , so forgive my somewhat simple take.

Democracy can survive an old man. There's guardrails for dementia. Democracy cannot survive whatever that baboon will attempt. There's no guardrails for him. Yesterday proved that.

[DixonHur 11339]

1 minute ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

It's amazing that people can't see this. "Kamala isn't owed anything!" Okay, grasshop her with a white guy and let's see how minority voters feel about it. 

If black people vote for Trump or avoid voting altogether because Kamala is passed over, then that's their decision and they will have to live with the consequences.

White, straight, cis-gender men (and to a lesser extent women) who identify as independents, won't face the same adversity under Trump, so they are the constituency the Dems need to be concerned with brining into the fold.

These are just blunt facts.  It's too late for sugar coating and trying to force your will/ideals on the voting public.  

Whitmer is the best choice because she's not unattractive (shallow but true), popular in her state, and has a good track record of working across the aisle.   Obviously, she's a woman, but I don't think that hurts her as much as some others here seem to think it will.

[Snake Diggity 4625]

This fucking sucks.  There is undeniable traction that the sitting POTUS (who is currently in a tight re-election race against a criminal egomaniac) is unfit for office, being amplified by prominent members of his own party.  POTUS is at least tacitly acknowledging it by scheduling an interview on a major network to air in 72 hours.  If Biden doesn’t come across sharp as fuck and flawlessly address why he came off so poorly last week, all fucking hell is going to break loose.  This would be cool if it were a Netflix drama.  But as reality?  This fucking sucks.

[YGIFS 19452]

President at Howard?  littleracist.gif

I want a woman President for my daughters to look up to.  Call me whatever names make you feel better, but Kamala is not going to carry the top of a ticket.  She may assume office in 2026 if Biden dies, and I'm sure she'll continue a competent administration filled with capable problem-solvers.  But the facts remain.  Biden remains vulnerable.  Trump remains malignant.  2032 is the only glimmer of actual, effectual change in this country when lines are redrawn and demography shifts from that census.  2028 is a giant fucking question mark which will actually make this cycle look like a walk in the park.  But all that matters is getting through to November/January and taking back the House and keeping the Oval and Senate (or at least a tie).  SCOTUS ain't going anyway anytime soon.  Do whatever the fuck it takes.  And hopefully Trump dies somewhere in between 2024-2028.  Otherwise, everything goes lights out until 2032.  

[CooterBrown 18014]

If it goes to convention, those chucklefucks needs to have the pick already made behind closed doors.  Everybody needs to be on the same page and united. Set that candidate up in their primary debates to shine the best possible light.  

But, they will fuck around and find out.

 

 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

23 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I suppose the only fly in the ointment is that 80% of the Seals are probably MAGA.

I was driving in Liberty Hill this weekend and saw a State Trooper that had pulled someone over.  He went to the trunk of his SUV and inside was a case of some kind with stickers all over it.  One of them said "Try That In A Small Town". 

Yeah, I don't expect the cops to be on the side of democracy.

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

President at Howard?  littleracist.gif

I want a woman President for my daughters to look up to.  Call me whatever names make you feel better, but Kamala is not going to carry the top of a ticket.  She may assume office in 2026 if Biden dies, and I'm sure she'll continue a competent administration filled with capable problem-solvers.  But the facts remain.  Biden remains vulnerable.  Trump remains malignant.  2032 is the only glimmer of actual, effectual change in this country when lines are redrawn and demography shifts from that census.  2028 is a giant fucking question mark which will actually make this cycle look like a walk in the park.  But all that matters is getting through to November/January and taking back the House and keeping the Oval and Senate (or at least a tie).  SCOTUS ain't going anyway anytime soon.  Do whatever the fuck it takes.  And hopefully Trump dies somewhere in between 2024-2028.  Otherwise, everything goes lights out until 2032.  

She went to Howard.

[Snake Diggity 4625]

2 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

3 hours ago, BrickTop said:

I’ve never posted here, and I’ll probably regret it but I think this is pretty much dead on, I don’t really follow the inner workings of politics all that clearly so I will make a few points, 1. I am really not a fan of Trump, I’d consider myself a moderate. 2. I watched Biden speak in the 2020 debates and he seemed very strong and in control. 3. No way in hell am I voting for Biden after that debate performance, I have seen senility and Alzheimer’s and maybe that’s not what Biden has but to be honest that version of the POTUS shown in that debate is actually somewhat terrifying. As it stands I’m voting for neither, and a lot of people I know feel the same, too much uncertainty with Biden, not voting for Trump, I think a lot of people are missing the amount of people who simply won’t vote for either. Yes, that debate absolutely changed a lot of minds, it was somewhat terrifying and caused a lot of uncertainty with a lot of people. I am not a political expert, just a working class blue collar guy , so forgive my somewhat simple take.

Democracy can survive an old man. There's guardrails for dementia. Democracy cannot survive whatever that baboon will attempt. There's no guardrails for him. Yesterday proved that.

If there are guardrails against dementia, they’re not working.  The dude everyone is talking about as clearly suffering from severe age-related decline IS THE SITTING POTUS. 
 

(Invite: I voted for Biden in 2020 and will likely vote for him again and fuck Donald Trump with all the fury of the Big Bang.)

[C-Man 27230]

48 minutes ago, Texaus said:

This is so goddamn depressing. Is there any path forward to beat Dotard? I don’t see one with Biden. I felt differently before that performance and was hopeful the truly awful nature of Dotard, coupled with the power of the incumbency, would prevail. You don’t have to be a geriatrician to recognize that wasn’t cold symptoms on display and it’s only going to get worse. It should not have been difficult, at all, to expose that lying piece of shit. 

I admit I waffle back and forth daily, if not more often than that on this. Biden definitely has a path. It’s a long time until November. What he kills the ABC interview on Friday and then also has a marked improvement in the next debate? People who hate Trump today will still hate Trump tomorrow, next week, next month, ad infinitum.

 

45 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 

The plane has crashed into the goddamned mountain

 

No, the solid blue states are not up for grabs — yet. Not a chance. Have all the swing states swung to Trump? Maybe. But again, it’s a long way to the general election.

 

40 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yep. Keeping his appearances minimal him and trying to run out the clock won't work anymore. If he's the guy, gotta at least try to build momentum. On the plus side, he set his already low bar all the way on the floor. A couple just non-disastrous showings would go a long way towards altering the narrative.

Just not holding my breath.

Yes, if he shits the bed again on Friday then, yes, maybe some real momentum builds to replacing him on the ticket. I think he’ll probably come off very well Friday. But if he doesn’t, the decision needs to be made quickly.

[DixonHur 11339]

1 minute ago, Snake Diggity said:

who is currently in a tight re-election race against a criminal egomaniac

Perhaps the problem is that too many people think this is actually true because they see a 1-point difference in the national polls.

He is NOT in a tight race.  Biden is losing badly in swing states he carried last time.  The fact that millions of Democrats in California, Texas, and New York support Biden means fuck all to the electoral math.

I don't think there is anyone on this board deluded enough to think Biden loses the popular vote.

[David Dennison 18922]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I don't think there is anyone on this board deluded enough to think Biden loses the popular vote.

The United States is dumb at governance.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10301]

The message is clear from all sides in the media now and I agree that I don't see how Biden doesn't step aside (get pushed aside) in the next 2 weeks.  It's clear he can't make it until election without another "episode" putting the final nail in his own re-election chances.  The problem now is he's sinking other races and it's not just about losing the White House.  Party members are going to start focusing in on their own self interests and realize he can't continue as candidate.

I don't think anyone is willing to bet the farm on Biden in his current condition making it to election day without some kind of repeat performance (especially with media hyper focused on looking for it).  He could kill it for months and then falter in October destroying every piece of momentum created. Democrats just can't take that risk, they can't.  The talk is now not if, but when.

[Texaus 377]

But we were told not to panic, all would be well, ride the power of the incumbent. Then it became obvious we were misled and Biden is not just old, but in a state of decline so advanced there is no possibility of him winning this election. To my eyes this is just the reality of the situation. It’s going to get worse, not better. It’s depressing. 

[DixonHur 11339]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

The United States is dumb at governance.

I think that's also part of the problem.  

I'll admit to moments of "fuck it, burn this mother fucker to the ground".

So far, they've been brief and I come back to my senses, but I highly doubt I'm the only one feeling like that.

[Js1 85408]

57 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 

The plane has crashed into the goddamned mountain

 

If this was true, the race was already over before the debate. 

None of those pre-debate numbers look believable to me, at all. 

[hobbes2702 13045]

It’s funny that people think replacing the incumbent president with someone like Whitmer, or Booker, or Newsom would somehow boost turnout. No one knows who those people are.

[GW Hayduke 1953]

11 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

If there are guardrails against dementia, they’re not working.  The dude everyone is talking about as clearly suffering from severe age-related decline IS THE SITTING POTUS. 
 

(Invite: I voted for Biden in 2020 and will likely vote for him again and fuck Donald Trump with all the fury of the Big Bang.)

There hasn’t been a need for guardrails with Biden. He has been running a great administration. Arguably, the best one in the last 50 years.