2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[David Dennison 17804]

Kamala/Barack 2024

[Pancho 43016]

Sounds like something is brewing…

Good lord VEEP is coming to life right before our eyes

 

 

[Mo Horn 8723]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

Sounds like something is brewing…

Good lord VEEP is coming to life right before our eyes

 

 

We long ago passed the point where even the veep producers would have told the writers that what they wrote was too unbelievable to use. 

[Creasy Bear 665]

21 hours ago, mdmost said:

Well enjoy your vote for the guy who also sexually assaults women.

https://newrepublic.com/post/183382/damning-report-rfk-jr-history-alleged-sexual-assault

You too!

In March 2020, during that year's election campaign for President of the United States, Tara Reade alleged that Democratic nominee Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993 in a Capitol Hill office building when she was a staff assistant in his office. Biden denied Reade's allegation.

['stache 21591]

I mean, everyone realizes that if Joe were to have real problems, Kamala would become president anyway, right? How exactly does it move the needle to put her on the top of the ticket? Where a bunch of the "concerned moderates" will undoubtedly fall for the incoming wave of racist and misogynistic attacks? Yeah, that'll work, sure thing.

[mdmost 42500]

2 minutes ago, Creasy Bear said:

You too!

In March 2020, during that year's election campaign for President of the United States, Tara Reade alleged that Democratic nominee Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993 in a Capitol Hill office building when she was a staff assistant in his office. Biden denied Reade's allegation.

Awesome, a debunked story. At least Sleepy Joe didn't eat a dog. Maybe that's where the brain worms came from. Maybe you need to check yourself for brain worms if you think voting for that shitbag is an awesome idea. 

[Bozo_Casanova 25909]

37 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

This jibes pretty well with what I’ve been saying.

Bless you

[Pancho 43016]

 

[Goredho 17181]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I mean, everyone realizes that if Joe were to have real problems, Kamala would become president anyway, right? How exactly does it move the needle to put her on the top of the ticket? Where a bunch of the "concerned moderates" will undoubtedly fall for the incoming wave of racist and misogynistic attacks? Yeah, that'll work, sure thing.

He's having real problems.  Batter up.

[mdmost 42500]

2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I mean, everyone realizes that if Joe were to have real problems, Kamala would become president anyway, right? How exactly does it move the needle to put her on the top of the ticket? Where a bunch of the "concerned moderates" will undoubtedly fall for the incoming wave of racist and misogynistic attacks? Yeah, that'll work, sure thing.

People would rather see what she has to say and then decide on her worthiness to be President than just assume she'll be good when Biden steps down/gets 25th Amendmented. 

[mdmost 42500]

34 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I mean, if we are being serious about her -

Harris/Beshear (KY-GOV) - he's term-limited in 2027

Harris/Shapiro (PA-GOV)

Harris/Cooper (NC-GOV) - he's term-limited in 2024

Harris/Ossoff (GA-SEN)

Harris/Kelly (AZ-SEN)

Those are probably your best ticket options.  In my mind, at least.

Shapiro is the best option since you need the Rust Belt to win this. 

[Dbeasy 14791]

38 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

This jibes pretty well with what I’ve been saying.

Kamala Harris top choice to replace Joe Biden if he steps aside, sources say

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/vp-harris-top-choice-replace-biden-election-race-if-he-steps-aside-sources-say-2024-07-03/

WASHINGTON, July 3 (Reuters) - Vice President Kamala Harris is the top alternative to replace U.S. President Joe Biden if he decides not to continue his reelection campaign, according to seven senior sources at the Biden campaign, the White House and the Democratic National Committee with knowledge of current discussions on the topic.

Biden's fumbling, sometimes-incoherent and widely-panned first-debate performance against Republican rival Donald Trump last week set off a wave of panic within the Democratic party over concerns that he may not be fit enough to serve a second term, and prompted calls for top aides to resign.

Some influential Democrats have floated alternatives to Biden besides Harris, including popular cabinet members and Democratic governors like Gavin Newsom from California, Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan and Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. But trying to sidestep Harris is wishful thinking and would be nearly impossible, these sources, who did not wish to be named, said.

If named as the party nominee, Harris, 59, would take over money raised by the Biden campaign and inherit campaign infrastructure, the sources said. She also has the highest name recognition among all the alternatives, and the highest polling among Democrats who could seriously be considered a candidate, the sources said.

In a Reuters/Ipsos poll published Tuesday, Harris trailed Trump by one percentage point at 42% to 43%, a difference that was well within the poll's 3.5 percentage point margin of error, a showing statistically just as strong as Biden's.

In addition, she has already been vetted for national office and has survived intense scrutiny from Republicans, they said. Also, U.S. Representative Jim Clyburn, the man who was key to Biden's 2020 win, told MSNBC he would support Harris to be the Democratic nominee if Biden stepped aside.

"It's pretty near impossible to win the nomination over the vice president," said Michael Trujillo, a Democratic strategist from California who worked for Hillary Clinton's campaign in 2008 and 2016.

White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Tuesday that Biden just had a "bad night" at the debate and would continue to make his case for reelection to the American people. The Biden campaign deferred to Harris's team for comment on the story.

Harris's aides dismissed any talk of a Democratic ticket that doesn't include both Biden and Harris. "Vice President Harris looks forward to serving a second term with President Joe Biden," a statement from her office said.

Biden's campaign has amassed 3,894 delegates after state primaries, leaving only a few dozen "uncommitted" delegates outstanding. They are expected to formally nominate Biden later this month in a virtual meeting, ahead of the Democrats' nominating convention in August.

"All of the delegates are not just Joe Biden delegates, they are Kamala Harris delegates," Trujillo said, adding "she will have a sizable delegation and support in all 50 states on day one," he said.

Donna Brazile, the former interim chair of the Democratic National Committee, who has a key committee role at this year's Democratic National Convention in August, said the person who can step in right away, if Biden decides not to run, is Harris.

"People may have dreams of another superhero but there is a process and the last time I checked it's a Biden-Harris ticket, she's number two on the ticket," Brazile said, adding Biden remains the nominee for the Democratic party and "is not going anywhere."

Passing over the first Black and woman vice president for another candidate would lead to a backlash from Black and women voters who are key to any victory, several Democratic strategists said.

'IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE KAMALA'

Still, Harris has been sidestepped in a lot of the speculation since the debate because some influential Democrats have little faith she can beat Trump, four of the sources said.

The United States has never elected a woman president, and Harris has spent much of her time as vice president struggling to distinguish herself in a role that is by definition a supporting one. As recently as last year, many inside the White House and the Biden campaign privately worried she was a liability for the campaign.

Since then, Harris has managed to find her stride on the issue of abortion rights but her polling has not improved significantly. Harris's approval ratings hover under 40%, but according to recent polling highlighted by the Biden campaign, she and the president have similar odds of beating Trump.

The vice president has also been consistently targeted by Republicans and conservative media in attacks many allies consider sexist and racist.

Three Democratic donors, who have recently been pushing for Biden to step aside, also said this week they think it will be "impossible" to sidestep Harris. The donors had been floating Whitmer and Newsom's names as possible alternatives until the past weekend.

"There is a real conversation in the Democratic party about leadership right now, but fair to say, and I'm not thrilled about this... it will be impossible to ignore Kamala," said one of the donors.

Another donor said "she's nobody's choice, but yeah, nearly impossible."

Still, the president's reelection campaign is standing its ground, emboldened by a stronger performance by Biden during a scripted speech in North Carolina even as calls for him to step aside grow.

Stephanie Cutter, deputy campaign manager for former President Barack Obama, whose firm is on contract to produce the Democratic National Convention in August, said "President Biden is the nominee and he's going to remain the nominee."

"For those who are looking for some sort of interparty fight, be careful what you wish for because that would ensure a Trump victory," she said in a statement.

I don’t know if anyone else watched ABC News last night but it just hit me like a brick that the plan is already in motion. You could tell by the coordinated messaging. They even had Pelosi on camera basically saying voters are right to question whether Biden can continue. There is NO way she does that unless it’s happening. 

[Js1 83679]

Interesting that the NYT poll showed that Biden narrowed Trump’s margin with independents. It’s mostly skittish Dems right now 

[Aqua Buddha 14258]

15 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Sounds like something is brewing…

Good lord VEEP is coming to life right before our eyes

 

 

Not sure how that would work but neither Harris or Newsom would likely win that.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6529]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Shapiro is the best option since you need the Rust Belt to win this. 

This will lead to a lot of MAGA channeling their inner Tanner from The Bad News Bears.  Not sure if appropriate to post the video.

[mdmost 42500]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Interesting that the NYT poll showed that Biden narrowed Trump’s margin with independents. It’s mostly skittish Dems right now 

Well I think some would argue we never got a true primary because everyone deferred to Biden even if they had rightful reservations about his age and how much he may or may not be diminished. We're not having that discussion because it's very real. It played out for the whole country to see and it could lose all of us everything. 

[6th Street 6299]

 

No thank you. I'll ride with Joe

[Firemans4Horn 17256]

16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I mean, everyone realizes that if Joe were to have real problems, Kamala would become president anyway, right? How exactly does it move the needle to put her on the top of the ticket? Where a bunch of the "concerned moderates" will undoubtedly fall for the incoming wave of racist and misogynistic attacks? Yeah, that'll work, sure thing.

her brain isn’t mashed potatoes? Trump’s brain is reheated mashed potatoes but he’s got 42-45% of the electorate no matter what. 

[Dnaguy 11599]

Nothing is more big D democrat than convincing Joe Biden not to run only to put Kamila Harris at the top of the ticket.

Donald trump will not lose to a woman. Period.

In addition the short time period from now until November means we need name ID.

i can’t see anyone other than Gavin Newson to fill the top of the ticket. 
 

Never underestimate the power of looking presidential, being tall, and being good looking. Especially when you’re running against a fat ghoul who keeps talking about criminals and people killing babies after they’re born. 

Edited July 3 by Dnaguy

['stache 21591]

Just now, Dnaguy said:

Nothing is more big D democrat than convincing Joe Biden not to run only to put Kamila Harris at the top of the ticket.

Donald trump will not lose to a woman. Period.

In addition the short time period from now until November means we need name ID.

i can’t see anyone other than Gavin Newson to fill the top of the ticket. 

Yup. It's not fair, at all, but it's absolutely true, a woman, a Black women especially, has zero chance, period. It would play right into maga's hands. I agree, if a change was absolutely necessary, it has to be Newsome, he is the most skilled politician available. 

[Js1 83679]

This is what’s going to happen:

”It can’t be Joe Biden”

Okay Kamala then. NO SHE SUCKS

Okay., Whitmer. ANOTHER WOMAN WHO LOSES TO TRUMP

okay, Newsom. COMMIEFORNIA!!!!!! Sleazy looking car salesman! Kimberly Guilyfoyl!!!

Warnock? BLACK. 

Shapiro? Jew

Pete? Ew, a gay

 

face it, everyone thinks there’s this perfect Democrat who exists to take Joe’s place. There isn’t.

Edited July 3 by Js1

[Brisketexan 103656]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Yup. It's not fair, at all, but it's absolutely true, a woman, a Black women especially, has zero chance, period. It would play right into maga's hands. I agree, if a change was absolutely necessary, it has to be Newsome, he is the most skilled politician available. 

Emphasized for truth.  If you think that nominating a black woman to be voted on by the shit-for-brains voter in this fetid shithole of a country has ANY chance of turning out well, you haven't been paying attention.  To anything.  At all.

We are a lot closer to the country that didn't allow women to vote or have a credit card, and that lynched black people with no repercussions, than we are to a country that will elect a black woman president.  You don't have to like that truth, but it doesn't make it any less true.

['stache 21591]

5 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

her brain isn’t mashed potatoes? Trump’s brain is reheated mashed potatoes but he’s got 42-45% of the electorate no matter what. 

Neither is Biden's, but lets keep saying it, because some "centrists" who thus far are okay with another presidency from donald fucking trump might just change their minds. They definitely won't fall for the next wave of attacks on the new candidate. Cause their just so smart, which is why they are still on the fence over whether donald fucking trump should be president again. 

[Dbeasy 14791]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

This is what’s going to happen:

”It can’t be Joe Biden”

Okay Kamala then. NO SHE SUCKS

Okay., Whitmer. ANOTHER WOMAN WHO LOSES TO TRUMP

okay, Newsom. COMMIEFORNIA!!!!!!

Warnock? BLACK. 

Shapiro? Jew

Pete? Ew, a gay

 

face it, everyone thinks there’s this perfect Democrat who exists to take Joe’s place. There isn’t.

Except Michelle Obama, the black women foreigner wife of that terrorist Hussian Obama. 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6529]

1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Yup. It's not fair, at all, but it's absolutely true, a woman, a Black women especially, has zero chance, period. It would play right into maga's hands. I agree, if a change was absolutely necessary, it has to be Newsome, he is the most skilled politician available. 

I am not sure Newsom can win being from California.  The right will blanket the airwaves until election day with Newsom will turn your state into the hell hole that is CA with homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, drag queens teaching your kids, etc... ( I love California so I don't personally believe any of that shit).  They will flat out put lies out there, but I guarantee you it will scare the shit out of enough independents that they will vote for Trump.  That is the biggest problem with Biden dropping out.  Fox News and the right will just lie about whomever becomes the nominee and unfortunately, they will win the propaganda battle.

[6th Street 6299]

Big Mike would wipe the floor with Don. Too bad she has no interest in politics

[mdmost 42500]

You know, yesterday I thought there was no way you replace Joe with Kamala. No way she can win because she's a black woman. Today, I feel differently. Yes, we're a racist and misogynistic country but one of the single biggest winning issues for Democrats is abortion rights. Supposedly, she's made good headway by talking about it. If you elevate her to be the nominee, you take away Trump's single biggest issue, that Biden is too old and feeble to be President. You then make him the old and feeble one. Then you get everyone on board to go after him. You get women out to vote. You get out the African American vote. You have a puncher's chance of winning. 

With Biden we're definitely getting another 4 years of Trump. The damage has been done. Now every point going forward that he slips up, it will be magnified. I'd rather roll the dice with Kamala. Sure, we probably lose but you change the narrative back to what Trump's next 4 years would look like instead of will Biden survive to serve out his term. The Democrats need to change the message because right it's not a winning strategy. I don't love our chances but we're not winning with Biden. 

Edited July 3 by mdmost

[C-Man 26755]

1 minute ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I am not sure Newsom can win being from California.  The right will blanket the airwaves until election day with Newsom will turn your state into the hell hole that is CA with homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, drag queens teaching your kids, etc... ( I love California so I don't personally believe any of that shit).  They will flat out put lies out there, but I guarantee you it will scare the shit out of enough independents that they will vote for Trump.  That is the biggest problem with Biden dropping out.  Fox News and the right will just lie about whomever becomes the nominee and unfortunately, they will win the propaganda battle.

Like they're not gonna do that regardless

[mdmost 42500]

LIBERAL GAVIN NEWSOM CAN'T EVEN HELP CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES WITH THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN HELP AMERICA WITH HER PROBLEMS? /easiest campaign attack ad 

[Firemans4Horn 17256]

5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Neither is Biden's, but lets keep saying it, because some "centrists" who thus far are okay with another presidency from donald fucking trump might just change their minds. They definitely won't fall for the next wave of attacks on the new candidate. Cause their just so smart, which is why they are still on the fence over whether donald fucking trump should be president again. 

not sure what point you are trying to make is. But Biden 100% looked unelectable during the debate.
 

We can all howl at the moon at how unfair it is that Trump is a deranged lunatic and senile Biden “isn’t Trump” or we could try something else. 

[chainsaw 9668]

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

[Js1 83679]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

LIBERAL GAVIN NEWSOM CAN'T EVEN HELP CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES WITH THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN HELP AMERICA WITH HER PROBLEMS? /easiest campaign attack ad 

HER???? Stop putting pronouns on things, you socialist pedophile feminazi 

[WhatTheBuck 28618]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

LIBERAL GAVIN NEWSOM CAN'T EVEN HELP CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND LOS ANGELES WITH THEIR HOMELESS PROBLEM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN HELP AMERICA WITH HER PROBLEMS? /easiest campaign attack ad 

Who’s the candidate that Republicans won’t run negative attack ads against?

[Michael Knight 12725]

Look Joe Biden already stole one election, whos to say he can't steal another?

[hobbes2702 12536]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

I think you lose the rust belt with Kamala. 

[6th Street 6299]

2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

Hawk Tuah would have a better chance than Kamala

[mdmost 42500]

1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Who’s the candidate that Republicans won’t run negative attack ads against?

What is the current perception of San Francisco right now with middle America? Gavin's hometown is thought to be a shithole filled with crime, drugs, and rampant homelessness. It's very easy to plaster than over and over and have it be an effective strategy.  

[Dbeasy 14791]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

Gretchen 

[Dnaguy 11599]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Kamala wins you Georgia, boosts black women turnout (super reliable D votes), and flips basically nobody that wasn't already going to vote Trump.

Losing Biden hurts you in some ways but helps you in far more ways.

The real question is who her running mate would be.

Kamila Harris doesn’t win you Arizona or Pennsylvania and probably loses Wisconsin. Don’t think that math works.

[mdmost 42500]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I think you lose the rust belt with Kamala. 

You're losing the Rust Belt with Biden too. But if you add a Rust Belt governor and you campaign the shit out of there, you have a chance. 

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1262]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

What is the current perception of San Francisco right now with middle America? Gavin's hometown is thought to be a shithole filled with crime, drugs, and rampant homelessness. It's very easy to plaster than over and over and have it be an effective strategy.  

De Santis tried debating Newsome and brought out his poop map, but I don't think it ended up being as effective as he thought it was going to be.

[hobbes2702 12536]

Just now, mdmost said:

You're losing the Rust Belt with Biden too. But if you add a Rust Belt governor and you campaign the shit out of there, you have a chance. 

I don’t agree that you’re losing the rust belt with Biden. Ds have been crushing in those states for the past 6 years 

['stache 21591]

Just now, Dbeasy said:

Gretchen 

They'll be playing videos of her side by side with Hillary Clinton. She'll be considered just as unlikeable within a month. The independents that will supposedly swing this election will fall for every attack on every replacement, period, that's who they are. The only possible appeal to them is Biden's four year record of accomplishments. Anyone who is on the fence between donald trump and literally anybody else is already a lost cause.

[mdmost 42500]

Just now, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

De Santis tried debating Newsome and brought out his poop map, but I don't think it ended up being as effective as he thought it was going to be.

A poop map, no. Video after video of Union Square in SF would be pretty effective. 

[YGIFS 19445]

So 8 years of y'all and the media talking about Trump tapping into an ugly and unengaged portion of the American electorate.  And the grand idea is to put a new ticket forward topped by somebody that will bring out even more of the ugly and unengaged portion of the American electorate, a significant portion of whom were somewhat likely to sit this one out?  Because reasons?  

Oh yeah, totally forgot.  This is the election cycle to tell moderates and independents like me that it's time to try something bold and progressive with 7 million swing state lunatics just begging for a reason to get up off their recliners and vote for Trump.  If only the party had 3.5+ years to figure this out ahead of time.  Most of the folks you've mentioned on here are perfectly electable and can raise money and kickass on TV.  But your party doesn't win if all the straight-ticket, MAGA lunatics, middle-of-the-roaders, plus a few million new lunatics turn out to spite some of the nominees you're talking about.  Suppress the unsettled Trump voter turnout.  That's the only way this works.  But yeah, maybe a youth music festival for Kamala will save the Republic.  Where the fuck do these ideas come from?  

[mdmost 42500]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I don’t agree that you’re losing the rust belt with Biden. Ds have been crushing in those states for the past 6 years 

Yet the state by state polling shows Biden losing as we speak. I know, I know. Let's ignore polling unless it agrees with our bias. 

[C-Man 26755]

Whatever winds up happening, we better fucking get united on this shit or it won't matter one bit. Or get used to King Donald until he fucking dies.

Edited July 3 by C-Man

[LCHorn 2564]

15 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

I am not sure Newsom can win being from California.  The right will blanket the airwaves until election day with Newsom will turn your state into the hell hole that is CA with homeless people everywhere, crime everywhere, drag queens teaching your kids, etc... ( I love California so I don't personally believe any of that shit).  They will flat out put lies out there, but I guarantee you it will scare the shit out of enough independents that they will vote for Trump.  That is the biggest problem with Biden dropping out.  Fox News and the right will just lie about whomever becomes the nominee and unfortunately, they will win the propaganda battle.

Anyone listening to Fox News isn’t voting Democrat regardless of the candidate.

[hobbes2702 12536]

3 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yet the state by state polling shows Biden losing as we speak. I know, I know. Let's ignore polling unless it agrees with our bias. 

The CBS poll from today showed Biden up in PA I believe. 
But also, yea we should ignore the polling. Again Dems have overperformed the polls nationwide basically since Trump was elected. 
We also know the issues with polling this early.

Do you think Kamala would have a better chance of holding the rust belt than Joe? I don’t. Even with Whitmer as a VP. I see basically zero chance that an all female ticket could carry that part of the country. Ask Hillary

Edited July 3 by hobbes2702

[chainsaw 9668]

54 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Kamala/Barack 2024

I don't think he wants to do more work anymore. He's earned his rest.

I'm trying to think of a popular, young, white guy who isn't Buttigieg that can hold onto the Biden's states in the southwest and midwest without costing you a House or Senate seat or governor's mansion.

I kind of like Rep Brendan Boyle (Philadelphia).