2024 Presidential Election Thread - Let's keep the party going.

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

6 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Agreed. A centrist Democrat from a red state. Not going to get Kentucky, but he'll appeal to independent voters who don't like the extremes of either party. 

He's younger, too.  I like Cooper but he's 67, according to the Inter-google.

All three of them seem to be able to get votes in either red or purple states.

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

19 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Agreed. A centrist Democrat from a red state. Not going to get Kentucky, but he'll appeal to independent voters who don't like the extremes of either party. 

He could make them work for Ohio, though. 

[chainsaw 9859]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Watching the debate, I felt Biden had been over-prepped and was reaching for canned responses. I thought he should just focus on a single point each time he was asked a question and then talk about the fate of the nation should the fascist rapist get elected. 

Policy arguments are old paradigm. Brass knuckles character assassination is new paradigm. Trump is such a ripe target for that.

Whoever proceeds, they need to focus on what the biggest issue for the country is: America is the Constituion; Trump is killing the constituion by any means possible. And just stay on the attack. If Trump cared about the country, he'd be involved in preventing or planning for the climate disaster. He's not doing it because of money from the rich.

No more, "We got $200MM for education and the VA... " Very sadly, the ones who will decide neither care nore understand.

Reminds me of Mack Brown's "stat vomit" pressers near the end.

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

I realize I’m a broken record at this point, but “we listened to the voters and it’s clear that they want new blood, that’s why I am stepping aside and endorsing my running mate” is a much better campaign message than “vote for the guy that goes to bed after Wheel of Fortune.”
Framing this as a “Democrats listened to the voters, Republicans are sticking with the felon” is I think an underrated scenario.

[Firemans4Horn 18036]

15 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I realize I’m a broken record at this point, but “we listened to the voters and it’s clear that they want new blood, that’s why I am stepping aside and endorsing my running mate” is a much better campaign message than “vote for the guy that goes to bed after Wheel of Fortune.”
Framing this as a “Democrats listened to the voters, Republicans are sticking with the felon” is I think an underrated scenario.

legislatively, Biden has kicked mega ass. If we had someone that can point out all the wins and Trump’s failure at life it could resonate with people that need to get off the couch and vote. 

[TexPx 2322]

This schedule would wear my lazy ass out.

https://rollcall.com/factbase/biden/topic/calendar/

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

28 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

He could make them work for Ohio, though. 

Just as important, he might get some whites in PA, MI, and WI....

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

Shit gettin' real now:

Abigail Disney, the granddaughter to Roy O. Disney, who cofounded The Walt Disney Company, told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

 

And she’s not the only one pausing gifts until Biden steps down. Gideon Stein, the president of the Moriah Fund, said he’s decided to pause planned donations of $3.5 million, earmarked for nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race.

“Joe Biden has been a very effective president, but unless he steps aside my family and I are pausing on more than $3 million in planned donations to nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race, with the exception of some down ballot work,” Stein said. “Virtually every major donor I’ve talked to believes that we need a new candidate in order to defeat Donald Trump.”

Karla Jurvetson, a philanthropist and major Democratic donor, hinted as recently as Tuesday in a private donor call that she agrees with the sentiment on pausing donations until Biden steps down and could end up making such move, according to a person familiar with her remarks. The person was granted anonymity in order to speak freely about a private conversation.

A spokesman for Jurvetson did not return repeated requests for comment.

Jurvetson is among the top 50 donors this cycle across the country, donating over $5 million to Democrats, according to OpenSecrets. She’s given over $200,000 to the Biden Victory Fund this cycle, according to FEC records.

Jurvetson gave over $30 million to Democrats in 2020, according to the data.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/04/democratic-donors-wont-finance-party-until-joe-biden-drops-out.html

 

 

 

[closetohumping 17435]

12 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Shit gettin' real now:

Abigail Disney, the granddaughter to Roy O. Disney, who cofounded The Walt Disney Company, told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

 

And she’s not the only one pausing gifts until Biden steps down. Gideon Stein, the president of the Moriah Fund, said he’s decided to pause planned donations of $3.5 million, earmarked for nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race.

“Joe Biden has been a very effective president, but unless he steps aside my family and I are pausing on more than $3 million in planned donations to nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race, with the exception of some down ballot work,” Stein said. “Virtually every major donor I’ve talked to believes that we need a new candidate in order to defeat Donald Trump.”

Karla Jurvetson, a philanthropist and major Democratic donor, hinted as recently as Tuesday in a private donor call that she agrees with the sentiment on pausing donations until Biden steps down and could end up making such move, according to a person familiar with her remarks. The person was granted anonymity in order to speak freely about a private conversation.

A spokesman for Jurvetson did not return repeated requests for comment.

Jurvetson is among the top 50 donors this cycle across the country, donating over $5 million to Democrats, according to OpenSecrets. She’s given over $200,000 to the Biden Victory Fund this cycle, according to FEC records.

Jurvetson gave over $30 million to Democrats in 2020, according to the data.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/04/democratic-donors-wont-finance-party-until-joe-biden-drops-out.html

 

 

 

These people are dumb and cnbc are Trump supporters in disguise!!

[Red Five 40847]

46 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I realize I’m a broken record at this point, but “we listened to the voters and it’s clear that they want new blood, that’s why I am stepping aside and endorsing my running mate” is a much better campaign message than “vote for the guy that goes to bed after Wheel of Fortune.”
Framing this as a “Democrats listened to the voters, Republicans are sticking with the felon” is I think an underrated scenario.

Also, guess who now gets to pound away against the guy who is WAY too old for the job and showing signs of dementia? Couldn't do that before.

In addition to the, you know, felony, rape, insurrection etc. stuff. 

[closetohumping 17435]

10 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Also, guess who now gets to pound away against the guy who is WAY too old for the job and showing signs of dementia? Couldn't do that before.

In addition to the, you know, felony, rape, insurrection etc. stuff. 

I believed Joe was too old before.  I thought there were signs.  He more than confirmed it during the debate though. Head cold be damned 

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

Trump is also too old.  This needs to be hammered like a nail as soon as there is a new nominee.

[DixonHur 11296]

5 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Harris has to be top of ticket. Optics of being passed up for a white woman are un-recover-from-able and will squander black women turnout where it's needed.

This is what drives me crazy about the modern Democratic party.  

Instead of backing the candidates with the best chance to win, they always default to who's "next in line".  

We knew Hillary would lose, but it was 'her turn".... Biden's old and been in politics longer than a lot of us have been alive, so he's next.  Now, Harris is next and oh, my god, we can't choose someone else because some black women might get upset.  

If black women want to vote against their own self-interest, then so be it... I hope they enjoy Jim Crow Part Deux.

Dems should worry about winning independents.  Period.

I mean, do you guys want to win or just seem like you're playing fair?  

[Goredho 17397]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I realize I’m a broken record at this point, but “we listened to the voters and it’s clear that they want new blood, that’s why I am stepping aside and endorsing my running mate” is a much better campaign message than “vote for the guy that goes to bed after Wheel of Fortune.”
Framing this as a “Democrats listened to the voters, Republicans are sticking with the felon” is I think an underrated scenario.

Sorry, @RomaVicta, your fired as the new campaign manager.  Suit up, @Chuckie Finster.

[WhatTheBuck 28775]

5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This is what drives me crazy about the modern Democratic party.  

Instead of backing the candidates with the best chance to win, they always default to who's "next in line".  

We knew Hillary would lose, but it was 'her turn".... Biden's old and been in politics longer than a lot of us have been alive, so he's next.  Now, Harris is next and oh, my god, we can't choose someone else because some black women might get upset.  

If black women want to vote against their own self-interest, then so be it... I hope they enjoy Jim Crow Part Deux.

Dems should worry about winning independents.  Period.

I mean, do you guys want to win or just seem like you're playing fair?  

Barack Obama says hi. 

[LCHorn 2615]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

I mean, do you guys want to win or just seem like you're playing fair?  

You appear to think the proposers of Harris taking over on this board actually like her.  She kinda sucks.  My advocacy for her is very much ONLY about winning. 

This is really cart before the horse, but even if she wins she probably fares poorly against a generic Republican in '28, presuming we all live long enough to see it. 

[Firemans4Horn 18036]

8 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

We knew Hillary would lose,

[DixonHur 11296]

4 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Barack Obama says hi. 

Why? 

Did you not notice I said, "modern Democratic party" and started with Hillary?  

News flash, this isn't 2008.

 

[DixonHur 11296]

1 minute ago, Firemans4Horn said:

Yes.  

You're free to use the way back search function on here and you'll find me saying that in 2015-2016.

I also said last year that Biden would not end up being the nominee this cycle.  

Both times I was told I was being reactive and unrealistic.  I'd like to say I got the last laugh, but I'm not laughing.

[Firemans4Horn 18036]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Yes.  

You're free to use the way back search function on here and you'll find me saying that in 2015-2016.

I also said last year that Biden would not end up being the nominee this cycle.  

Both times I was told I was being reactive and unrealistic.  I'd like to say I got the last laugh, but I'm not laughing.

you could have retired if you bet against hilary winning in 2016. “We all knew Hilary would lose” was so far out of the consensus. Trump and his band of tards didn’t think Hilary was going to lose on the day of the election. It was completely unexpected. 

[South Austin 52457]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

You're free to use the way back search function on here and you'll find me saying that in 2015-2016.

Surly wasn’t around then.

[DixonHur 11296]

Just now, South Austin said:

Surly wasn’t around then.

Ok, Hornfans, the Shag, whatever... I've had the same username through them all

[DixonHur 11296]

2 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

you could have retired if you bet against hilary winning in 2016. “We all knew Hilary would lose” was so far out of the consensus. Trump and his band of tards didn’t think Hilary was going to lose on the day of the election. It was completely unexpected. 

Doubt it.  I wasn't alone...many of the same people complaining now are the same ones who were complaining then.

The nomination process was a joke for Hillary.  

Her campaign literally was the DNC before she "won" the nomination... I mean as in sharing an address.  Remember all those debates at non-peak times?  Remember Bernie getting zero support from the DNC?

Anyone with eyes could see that Trump was successful, not because of his views, but because he was not seen as a Washington insider.  That was also Bernie's appeal.  So guess what... when Hillary became the nominee the "Bernie Bros" either voted for Trump or stayed home.

It wasn't rocket surgery to see it happening.

[Goredho 17397]

11 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This is what drives me crazy about the modern Democratic party.  

Instead of backing the candidates with the best chance to win, they always default to who's "next in line".  

We knew Hillary would lose, but it was 'her turn".... Biden's old and been in politics longer than a lot of us have been alive, so he's next.  Now, Harris is next and oh, my god, we can't choose someone else because some black women might get upset.  

If black women want to vote against their own self-interest, then so be it... I hope they enjoy Jim Crow Part Deux.

Dems should worry about winning independents.  Period.

I mean, do you guys want to win or just seem like you're playing fair?  

Hell fucking yes.  At this point in time, we need Dems to be a pragmatic meritocracy that puts country over party or personal interests.  If Obama can displace Hilary, then anything is possible given the will to act in the best interest of the country and nominate a vigorous young moderate that will appeal to centrists and independents.   They are begging and pleading for an alternative to Trump that they can have faith in.

I know Republicans should put country over party and are far more egregiously wrong.  I don’t give a shit.  They are a lost cause.  This is about stopping their darkest fringe from erecting an American apartheid.

I am excited to see mega donors starting to hold Dems to a higher standard than their ineptly shitty business as usual.

[DixonHur 11296]

20 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

You appear to think the proposers of Harris taking over on this board actually like her.  She kinda sucks.  My advocacy for her is very much ONLY about winning. 

This is really cart before the horse, but even if she wins she probably fares poorly against a generic Republican in '28, presuming we all live long enough to see it. 

I'd probably vote for her too, but she doesn't inspire me to GOTV or really do anything to support her candidacy. 

My assumption is that other independents feel the same way, so I just don't think she can win. 

She's simply not a relatable person.  She seems too fake and forced all the time. 

She's the female Newsome in my mind.

[DixonHur 11296]

5 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I know Republicans should put country over party and are far more egregiously wrong.

That ship has sailed.  But what people seem to not understand is that Trump is no more popular than he was last time... probably even less.

But Democrats and Republicans are not the only voting block.  People forget about us independents that just want someone new.  

It's not a coincidence that Trump's popularity has stayed almost exactly the same, whereas Biden's has dropped about 10%, and RFK Jr. is polling at about 10%.  

The math isn't that difficult.

[Larry T. Spider 1746]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Shit gettin' real now:

Abigail Disney, the granddaughter to Roy O. Disney, who cofounded The Walt Disney Company, told CNBC on Thursday that she plans to withhold donations to the party she has funded for years until Biden drops out. The president has said he has no plans to withdraw from the race, despite calls for him to do so.

 

And she’s not the only one pausing gifts until Biden steps down. Gideon Stein, the president of the Moriah Fund, said he’s decided to pause planned donations of $3.5 million, earmarked for nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race.

“Joe Biden has been a very effective president, but unless he steps aside my family and I are pausing on more than $3 million in planned donations to nonprofits and political organizations aligned with the presidential race, with the exception of some down ballot work,” Stein said. “Virtually every major donor I’ve talked to believes that we need a new candidate in order to defeat Donald Trump.”

Karla Jurvetson, a philanthropist and major Democratic donor, hinted as recently as Tuesday in a private donor call that she agrees with the sentiment on pausing donations until Biden steps down and could end up making such move, according to a person familiar with her remarks. The person was granted anonymity in order to speak freely about a private conversation.

A spokesman for Jurvetson did not return repeated requests for comment.

Jurvetson is among the top 50 donors this cycle across the country, donating over $5 million to Democrats, according to OpenSecrets. She’s given over $200,000 to the Biden Victory Fund this cycle, according to FEC records.

Jurvetson gave over $30 million to Democrats in 2020, according to the data.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/04/democratic-donors-wont-finance-party-until-joe-biden-drops-out.html

 

 

 

This is the fastest way to get Biden out. The DNC won’t fuck around if money starts to dry up, and it will.

[Dahobbs 17527]

14 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That ship has sailed.  But what people seem to not understand is that Trump is no more popular than he was last time... probably even less.

But Democrats and Republicans are not the only voting block.  People forget about us independents that just want someone new.  

It's not a coincidence that Trump's popularity has stayed almost exactly the same, whereas Biden's has dropped about 10%, and RFK Jr. is polling at about 10%.  

The math isn't that difficult.

 

18 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I'd probably vote for her too, but she doesn't inspire me to GOTV or really do anything to support her candidacy. 

My assumption is that other independents feel the same way, so I just don't think she can win. 

She's simply not a relatable person.  She seems too fake and forced all the time. 

She's the female Newsome in my mind.

These two posts back to back are rich and demonstrate the folly of appealing to this type of voter. "I just want someone new to vote for her" . . . "But not that lady, and not that guy, and . . . "

[MrBig 5385]

55 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Instead of backing the candidates with the best chance to win, they always default to who's "next in line".  

We knew Hillary would lose, but it was 'her turn".... Biden's old and been in politics longer than a lot of us have been alive, so he's next.  Now, Harris is next and oh, my god, we can't choose someone else because some black women might get upset.  

So you’re saying…

[chainsaw 9859]

55 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

This is what drives me crazy about the modern Democratic party.  

Instead of backing the candidates with the best chance to win, they always default to who's "next in line".  

We knew Hillary would lose, but it was 'her turn".... Biden's old and been in politics longer than a lot of us have been alive, so he's next.  Now, Harris is next and oh, my god, we can't choose someone else because some black women might get upset.  

If black women want to vote against their own self-interest, then so be it... I hope they enjoy Jim Crow Part Deux.

Dems should worry about winning independents.  Period.

I mean, do you guys want to win or just seem like you're playing fair?  

Don't shoot the messenger here. I'm only relaying facts. Argue all you want with black women as a voting bloc (we've had this conversation with Muslims as a voting bloc as well over the Gaza issue), but no matter how you slice it, turnout will be lower if Kamala is passed over for someone else. No matter how you slice it, we can't afford that.

I think Kamala can win. Dems only need a game manager, not a Heisman winner.

[Pimphand 5734]

6 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I think this post makes you an authority on dumb.

You poor leftist limp wrist you should have gone out and celebrated our nations birthday instead you hate our economy, you hate our country and soon your lords and masters will shove UBI and social credit down your stupid neck while making you a dopamine addict all so you could virtue signal.

I hope it was worth it. Next time try sucking less at life....

Edited July 5 by Pimphand

[DixonHur 11296]

14 minutes ago, MrBig said:

So you’re saying…

Lol, maybe.

[DixonHur 11296]

24 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

 

These two posts back to back are rich and demonstrate the folly of appealing to this type of voter. "I just want someone new to vote for her" . . . "But not that lady, and not that guy, and . . . "

What's new about Kamala Harris?

She's the f'ing Vice President.

As for Newsome, I just don't like the guy.  He seems like a total douche.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Better get a replacement asap cause Biden is toast. I'll never forgive the Bidens if they hand Trump this election.

[David Dennison 18851]

I just need them to hurry up and tell me who I'll be voting for.

 

[chainsaw 9859]

13 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

You poor leftist limp wrist you should have gone out and celebrated our nations birthday instead you hate our economy, you hate our country and soon your lords and masters will shove UBI and social credit down your stupid neck while making you a dopamine addict all so you could virtue signal.

I hope it was worth it. Next time try sucking less at life....

Rather be dead in Texas than alive in Idaho

[Dahobbs 17527]

15 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

What's new about Kamala Harris?

She's the f'ing Vice President.

As for Newsome, I just don't like the guy.  He seems like a total douche.

Right. You want someone else. That'll be the answer no matter who is running. 

[nbmishoid 949]

Kamala, Kamala, Kamala, for Chrissakes 

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

10 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Rather be dead in Texas than alive in Idaho

Idaho is pretty great. That said, 100% agree. 

[chainsaw 9859]

I don't love Kamala but I don't need to love her to want her to win the election.

[Pimphand 5734]

15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I just need them to hurry up and tell me who I'll be voting for.

 

Sounds like a slave haha

[Firemans4Horn 18036]

34 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

You poor leftist limp wrist you should have gone out and celebrated our nations birthday instead you hate our economy, you hate our country and soon your lords and masters will shove UBI and social credit down your stupid neck while making you a dopamine addict all so you could virtue signal.

I hope it was worth it. Next time try sucking less at life....

 

[NAVY 6740]

The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Alright. Pair Kamala with a great VP and let's do this.

Biden will not win. I mean he could but most likely not at this point.

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

Very Online Twitter Dems seem to think this presents President Biden in a positive light

 

[NAVY 6740]

Just now, Loch Ness Monster said:

Alright. Pair Kamala with a great VP and let's do this.

Biden will not win. I mean he could but most likely not at this point.

Where do I send my tree fiddy? 

[elfenix 34227]

5 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Very Online Twitter Dems seem to think this presents President Biden in a positive light

 

*Very online Twitter dems do nothing but doomscroll

Edited July 5 by elfenix

[DixonHur 11296]

27 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Right. You want someone else. That'll be the answer no matter who is running. 

?

Have you not been paying attention?  I think I've been pretty clear on who I want.

Booker or Mark Kelly would be my backup choices.

[Aqua Buddha 14582]

25 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I don't love Kamala but I don't need to love her to want her to win the election.

Yeah, this.  Had Trump died or something leaving Pence the nominee, you wouldn't see Republicans not voting.

[Sawbonz 27542]

2 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

A lot of us predicted her losing

 

 

1 hour ago, Pimphand said:

You poor leftist limp wrist you should have gone out and celebrated our nations birthday instead you hate our economy, you hate our country and soon your lords and masters will shove UBI and social credit down your stupid neck while making you a dopamine addict all so you could virtue signal.

I hope it was worth it. Next time try sucking less at life....

Just make sure and don’t go to any “allopathic” doctors if you get sick. I’m sure a chiropractic adjustment will fix you right up

Edited July 5 by Sawbonz